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#rockbox log for 2011-12-06

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01:24:54dreamlayersCan someone add me (BorisGjenero) to WikiUsersGroup?
01:25:19funmandreamlayers: you say using weakref doesn't work for you?
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01:26:32dreamlayersfunman: Yeah just changing weak to weakref in the function definition did not help.
01:26:58funmanyou're using gcc on windows?
01:27:47dreamlayersYes, I was. I'm in Linux now, but I could reboot to test something if you want.
01:28:02funmanyou should be allowed to edit the wiki now
01:28:10funmanremember which gcc version?
01:28:59dreamlayersThanks, I have wiki editing access now.
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01:29:58dreamlayersIt was i686-w64-mingw32-gcc 4.5.3 (405).
01:31:28dreamlayersI'm going to try again with i686-pc-mingw32-gcc, back in a bit
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01:33:33funmancan you find gcc 4.6 ?
01:33:37funmangcc-tdm should have it
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01:35:19funmani used gcc-4.6/mingw64 but as a cross compiler on linux
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01:39:20dreamlayersfunman: Yeah, same behaviour, with 4.5.2. Maybe 4.6 fixes something.
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01:43:47dreamlayersAny objections to delaying usb_acknowledge(SYS_USB_CONNECTED_ACK); to just before the USB screen main loop? To fix FS #12423, I could just delay it past the font and skin unloading, but just before the main loop seems the safest place for it.
01:43:48fs-bluebot Rockbox access to /.rockbox/fonts after usb_enable(true) (bugs, requires)
01:45:58dreamlayersI also think that fix ought to be in 3.10, because the bug makes it hard to enter USB mode on the Archos Recorder V2. Should I seek approval from someone before committing to the 3.10 branch?
01:49:44dreamlayersFor FS #12409, I guess it doesn't need to be in 3.10 because Rockbox probably doesn't, run into the bugs fixed there.
01:49:45fs-bluebot problems with buflib_compact() (bugs, closed)
01:58:03CIA-10New commit by dreamlayers (r31155): Fix FS #12423 : Rockbox access to /.rockbox/fonts after usb_enable(true). This fixes entry into USB mode on the Archos Recorder V2 and possibly also ...
02:00:31CIA-10r31155 build result: All green
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08:40:03wodzBagder: I looked at qemu-mini2440 to boot our mini port there. I failed. There is some bug in sd module dma emulation and I wasn't able to track it down.
08:41:01wodzThen I decided to rewrite our sd driver in PIO mode but this also had some flaws so I abandoned the idea
08:41:50wodzqemu have quite complicated internal structure and no docs.
08:42:41wodzI found out it is much easier to write something for skyeye.
08:43:02wodzand for RE speed is not critical
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10:59:44*wodz spotted first bug report utilizing backtrace()
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11:30:22CIA-10New commit by jdgordon (r31156): Fix touchscreens so entering the WPS with a skin with no touchregions reverts to grid mode (caused by r30991)
11:30:42wodzmortalis: I read somewhere that you have been contacted with HiFiman representative. Is it true?
11:31:01JdGordonTorne: with the new git repo, will we have any way of figuring out which git checkin is the equivilant from the old svn revision number?
11:31:08JdGordoni.e that commit above!
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11:32:17mortaliswodz: no
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11:33:16wodzmortalis: btw. the sdk you have found is of great value - it includes reference C implementation of nand controller BCH correction
11:37:08wodz\o/ I have basic simulation module of the rk27xx nand controller working in skyeye
11:37:46wodzfew tests more and I can start looking at FTL init actually :-)
11:42:32CIA-10r31156 build result: All green
11:47:43kugelJdGordon: git log −−grep=@NNNNN
11:48:35JdGordonkugel: No, I mean ocne we move to git r30991 is meaningless
11:48:39kugelassuming the converted svn commits look like git-svn ones
11:48:59kugelJdGordon: I know
11:49:18kugelwith that line you can look up the commit by rNNNNN in git
11:49:50kugelisnt that what you were asking for?
11:51:06JdGordonjust making sure that is doable
11:51:46kugelwell, hopefully Torne doesnt discard the git-svn-id: line in each commit :)
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11:55:31kugelwodz: the final link cmdlien already has -Os
11:58:56wodzkugel: does it matter for link?
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12:08:25kugelwodz: not sure
12:09:21kugelwhat is .ARM.extab and .ARM.exidx? and why are they only 100 bytes in the end binary while they look much bigger in objdump/
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12:47:27ukleinekkugel: exidx and extab is used for unwinding IIRC
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12:49:01ukleinekextab has an entry for each function (8 byte each)
12:50:35kugelukleinek: they look huge in the .map and objdump, but stripping them only gives a mere 100 bytes
12:51:18ukleinekkugel: don't know more details offhand
12:51:43JdGordonhow do i programatically shutdown rockbox?
12:52:50desowin_JdGordon: call power_off()?
12:53:02JdGordonsys_poweroff() apparently :)
13:01:30JdGordonguess what argument I'm sick off?
13:01:51JdGordonor rather, which I'm about to kill for good!
13:02:06JdGordon(my git svn dcommit was supposed to pop up immediatly after hitting enter then!)
13:02:52CIA-10New commit by jdgordon (r31157): Add a shortcut type 'shutdown' which will turn off the player
13:04:47CIA-10r31157 build result: 0 errors, 228 warnings (jdgordon committed)
13:07:48CIA-10New commit by jdgordon (r31158): Fix warnings
13:09:12CIA-10r31158 build result: All green
13:09:36kugelbut the shortcuts menu is still empty by default?
13:10:14JdGordonso put something in it
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13:33:20pamaurywodz: did you implement lots of things in skyeye to have it working ?
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13:40:07wodzpamaury: implementing is easy - fixing existing bugs not :-)
13:40:42pamauryI mean, did you implement only the nand part ? existing bugs ?
13:40:52wodzbut current skyeye maintainer is somewhat responsive (in english)
13:41:50wodzpamaury: I implemented cache controller, interrupt controller and nand controller, fixed nand simulation to cope with large pages
13:42:03wodzfor 926ejs you don't have to touch cache
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13:44:36wodzI made a mistake and hacked 'stable' aka 1.3.2_rc1 which seems to be halfway moved to new framework
13:46:44wodzpamaury: speaking about existing bugs - partially they are related to half switch into new framework. Some parts ware forgotten. Besides this the code quality is rather poor - I mean the implementation part
13:47:28wodzlots of safechecks missing
13:48:02wodzpointers assignment is not consistent through different modules and so on
13:49:17wodzbut I still think it is easier to hack something in skyeye than in qemu
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15:50:58kugeldoes someone have an advice on how to get the cpu usage of the current process programatically, say from top.rock?
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15:54:12kugelI want some cpu stats about rockbox on this yp40
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16:13:58wodzkugel: maybe you can grab something from /proc ?
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16:20:05wodzkugel: and this may be helpful:
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16:26:38kugelwodz: the different time units confuse me (timeval, clock_t, jiffies9
16:28:48wodzdoes it really matter? You are interested in relative value
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16:31:43kugelwodz: if the one number is in jiffies and the other one in clocks, then yes
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16:59:08lorenzo92kugel: hi! have you something ready for the alsa patch?
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17:12:18kugellorenzo92: yes, one moment
17:12:31lorenzo92yeah thanks :)
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17:21:42kugellorenzo92: uploaded
17:22:32lorenzo92stupid question: what if I apply this patch to the already patched svn?
17:22:54kugeldont do this :)
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17:32:27lorenzo92ops I forgot to add alsa includes...
17:32:44lorenzo92was it alsa-lib-1.0.15?
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17:33:22kugellorenzo92: I used the debian -dev package from etch which has alsa 1.0.16
17:33:37kugelbecause the alsa site was down at that point of time
17:33:49lorenzo92ah ok, I will use the .15 that I have...
17:34:32lorenzo92now it gives me undefined reference snd_pcm...a clean is nice or?
17:34:49kugelyou need to put the .so file where gcc can see it
17:35:00lorenzo92ah yeah! indeed...thanks again :)
17:40:55lorenzo92grr...having a strange error! rbversion not defined uhm uhm
17:44:41lorenzo92sorry which is the env variable to set GCC path?
17:46:10lorenzo92uhm okay maybe solved ;)
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17:47:51kugellorenzo92: PATH
17:48:06lorenzo92thanks....compiled it ;)
17:48:33lorenzo92so now sdl isn't used anymore right?
17:48:35kugelextract the tool chain to somewhere, then add /path/to/chain/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin to PATH
17:48:41kugelyes exactly
17:50:35lorenzo92great. I'll tell you in a minute the result ;)
17:51:30CIA-10New commit by alle (r31159): Manual: Rephrase what 'shutdown' does so that the sentence reads more smoothly
17:53:09CIA-10r31159 build result: All green
17:54:48lorenzo92kugel: very very good! could be a trivial thing, but in pictureflow fps while idleing are now 15-16 instead of 12-13 ;)
17:56:14kugellorenzo92: nice!
17:56:21kugelI'm trying to get numbers for cpu usage
17:56:47lorenzo92and buffering thread view seem very different, last 3 bars are not full at all!
17:57:17lorenzo92also ram is more free...
17:57:25lorenzo9212 before, now 17
17:58:10kugelnow 5MB more are entirely unused? :)
17:58:31lorenzo92yeah :D
17:59:06lorenzo92it seems faster in general ....
18:00:04lorenzo92next step is integrating at least battery monitor....
18:00:13lorenzo92because I want to do some benchmarkings
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18:03:23CIA-10New commit by dreamlayers (r31160): In 3.10 branch, fix FS #12423 - Rockbox access to /.rockbox/fonts after usb_enable(true)
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18:05:39gevaertsdreamlayers: thanks. One less item on my to-do list for tonight :)
18:06:32dreamlayersgevaerts: You're welcome! :)
18:07:07wodzdreamlayers: have you played more with backtrace()?
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18:08:17dreamlayerswodz: Not really. I didn't need it recently.
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18:22:25lorenzo92kugel: great is working fine....later I will do a rough estimation of battery life watching afe.0/adc file ;)
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20:21:29eyecreateI noticed that builds for the sansa c200 compile the mpegplayer viewer but the sansa c200v2 doesn't. Is there something preventing it from working on the v2?
20:24:21wodzramsize maybe?
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20:29:35eyecreate@wodz: I guess it could be, but don't see why they would reduced the RAM size in the second revision.
20:30:25Bagderthey did
20:30:48Bagderv2 uses a completely different SoC too
20:31:21wodzBagder: have you seen my entry about emulating in qemu?
20:31:42Bagderif I don't confuse things now... =)
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20:32:16Bagderno, I missed that
20:32:19*gevaerts confirms Bagder's memory
20:32:29gevaertsc200v1 has 32MB, c200v2 has 2MB
20:32:38eyecreate@Bagder: that's disapointing, guess mo mpegs for me.
20:32:48gevaertsWhich really isn't a lot for a colour screen
20:32:53saratogaBagder: were you ok with the front page tweaks I posted in FS #12416
20:32:54fs-bluebot Minor Front Page tweaks (patches, new)
20:33:06saratogaif so i'll commit them later today
20:33:30BagderI haven't seen them, but I trust your judgement
20:33:43saratogajust changes teh wide bar links basically
20:33:48saratoga"side bar"
20:34:21saratogaok will commit in a few
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20:49:21CIA-10New commit by saratoga (r31161): Update front page side bar links to reflect how we've come to organize information on the wiki. The docs index is depreciated in favor of devic ...
20:49:31saratoga_really hope i didn't mess up the html there!
20:52:22saratoga_Bagder: want to update while i'm around to fix any mistakes ;)
20:55:40gevaertssaratoga_: your draft release notes could already go to their final page. We tend to just have a red line near the top stating that the thing isn't released yet
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21:00:43saratoga_gevaerts: ok i wasn't sure what the procedure was so I just put them up on the wiki in incomplete form
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21:36:36lovasoakugel: When I try to compile, I get an error about asoundlib.h not found. Where should it be?
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21:46:26wodzin search path probably
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21:49:37kugellovasoa: I put it into the toolchain dir
21:50:28lovasoaI tried -I/usr/include, but I get a lot of warnings /usr/include not safe for cross compilation. That seems logical
21:50:52lovasoakugel: But where did you find it ?
21:51:06kugeluh where did you install your toolchain to?
21:51:26kugel /usr/include is clearly wrong
21:53:05lovasoaI use Sourcery G++ Lite. I spent one night trying to compile a cross GCC, and then I gave up...
21:53:11kugelI put the alsa headers into $TOOLCHAIN_DIR/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/usr/include/alsa/*
21:55:06kugel$TOOLCHAIN_DIR/bin is what needs to be in PATH btw
21:56:05lovasoaWill copying "/usr/include/alsa" to "$TOOLCHAIN_DIR/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/usr/include/alsa/" work ?
21:59:59lovasoakugel: And why do I still get so much "BATTERY_TYPEs_COUNT is undefined"?
22:02:02kugelnever saw that
22:03:15lovasoaAbout BATTERY_TYPES_COUNT or copying header files?
22:05:35lovasoaWhat shall I do, then?
22:06:35kugelno idea, something is wrong on your end
22:06:39kugeldid you re-run configure?
22:07:30lovasoaI can re-run configure as I want, that won't create the alsa header file...
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22:12:39kugellovasoa: what you said will work
22:13:51kugel+about copying alsa
22:13:51wodzIs there a way to see on which symbols dlopen() fails?
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22:14:18kugelwodz: try dlerror()
22:15:19wodzkugel: it doesn't return unresolved symbols but some general error
22:16:02lovasoakugel: But configure create a wrong autoconf.h, as the rockbox dir is set to /.rockbox...
22:16:11kugelthat's right
22:17:02kugellovasoa: get the latest rom
22:17:10kugelthat'll make /.rockbox in the root work
22:18:22lovasoakugel: In that ROM, /.rockbox is a symlinc to /mnt/media0/.rockbox? Or is rockbox really at the root?
22:20:02kugelit's not a symlink but bind-mounted
22:20:30kugelthe real position is indeed still /mnt/media0/.rockbox
22:21:42lovasoaOK. So I'm going to download this ROM...
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22:25:42Bagdersaratoga_: web site updated
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22:38:14saratogaBagder: did you update it?
22:38:29saratogaoh damn it
22:38:32saratogai changed it for the wiki
22:38:39saratogawhich file has it for the front page?
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22:50:06lovasoakugel: I just installed the ROM you gave. The /.rockbox directory seems to be empty
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22:53:38saratogahuh i don't understand why only the wiki updated and not the front page
22:54:42kugellovasoa: you need to unzip onto the internal memory
22:55:01lovasoaThat's what I did
22:57:24lovasoaRockbox boots, but tells me he has no root dir. When I go to the file browser I can see an empty /.rockbox, and a full /mnt/media0/.rockbox
22:58:19funmanmove .rockbox to the root of the player then
22:59:30lovasoaI can't access the root of the player. the ROM kugel gave should mount /mnt/media0/.rockbox as /.rockbox
22:59:41kugeloph heh wait
23:00:02kugellovasoa: sorry. you also need the new loader:
23:00:52lovasoaHmm. I see
23:00:56lovasoamount −−bind /mnt/media0/.rockbox /.rockbox
23:01:14lovasoaIn fact, I didn't need the new ROM :)
23:02:05kugelyou need, the mount point needs to exist
23:02:07lovasoaIn fact, the new ROM creates the .rockbox, so it's needed
23:02:54lovasoaThe loader runs as root, doesn't it ?
23:05:19kugelit should
23:09:06lovasoaHere it is!
23:09:08lovasoaI'm currently listening to my music with rockbox through alsa! :)
23:09:10lovasoaThank you kugel!
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23:09:47lebelliumI do too
23:09:53lebelliumso far no playback issues anymore
23:11:08kugelwhat playback issues did you have?
23:11:39lovasoakugel: But, when I try to open "Playlist Catalogue", I'm told that "/mnt/media0/rockbox" doesn't exist
23:12:05lovasoaWhich is of course true, because we now use .rockbox
23:14:02lovasoaAnd when I do a "reset playlist dir", it replaces the dir with "/Playlists", which is, of course, also wrong
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23:19:22lebelliumkugel: before there were some random scratchs or glitchs, I don't know how to call that with MP3 VBR and FLAC files at variable 200>532MHz. I had to force the 532MHz to get rid of them
23:20:00lebelliumnow with variable CPU frequency it doesn't happen anymore but Lorenzo told me maybe it runs always at 532Mhz now
23:21:28kugellebellium: the loader sets ondemand governor
23:21:51lebelliumYes I know
23:21:59lebelliumbut maybe it doesnt work well as far as I understood
23:23:44kugellebellium: I havent checked
23:23:49lebelliumbut what I can tell you, before ALSA, I had to disable the ondemand governor. Other users experienced the same playback issues
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23:24:08kugelwell, great it works then :)
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23:24:19kugel(/me havent had issues in the short time he used sdl)
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23:31:05lovasoaBut now, I have a small buzz when rockbox loads, that I didn't noticed before
23:31:48lovasoaAnd I can't change the language
23:32:10lebelliumlovasoa: I guess we wanted to wait before releasing the new version.
23:32:42kugellovasoa: mine is set to German just fine
23:32:46lovasoalebellium: Sorry. Do you want me to remove the post
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23:33:55lovasoakugel: When I go to Settings>General Settings, and click Language, nothing happens...
23:34:53kugellovasoa: then your is messed up and lacks language files
23:35:18kugelI did have that too a few times on android. I wonder what's up there
23:35:39lebelliumlovasoa: well I don't know. We wanted to release a new ROM with different version number to avoid confusions (this is not modded fw 2.20) and maybe wait for a working battery indicator?
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23:37:08lovasoakugel: In my, I have all the languages in the langs folder
23:37:54lovasoaAnd I can change the language by opening the *lng file directly. But the menu item doasn't work
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23:38:01lebelliumworks fine for me
23:38:39kugelfor me too
23:38:56n1sthe menu tries to opne the dir with the langs, perhaps it's pointing to the wrong dir?
23:39:18lovasoalebellium: On the forum, fl_ said "just hit us with any update - no matter how infinitesimal it may be -". So I thought it would be a good thing to post a version with ALSA
23:39:34kugeln1s: I guess, although it should behave more sane
23:39:36*lovasoa thinks n1s is right
23:39:47n1skugel: of course it should :)
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23:40:20lovasoaIt would then be the same problem then the one with "Playlists dir not found"
23:41:19lebelliumlovasoa: the problem is that ABI is a general public forum, you just post the links like that without further explanations and then the people come to say "that doesn't work, please help" etc. That's why since we release modded firmwares, Lorenzo and me prefer to plan and organize well every release :)
23:43:52kugeljust make sure they dont think rockbox has released something
23:44:17kugelI mean your test builds are not official
23:44:26lebelliumWe know that and they know too
23:44:35lebelliumas long as it's not in the SVN
23:44:42lovasoalebellium: OK. I deleted my post
23:44:50kugelthen I, for one, dont care what you guys do over there :)
23:45:07saratogahow soon until this goes into SVN anyway?
23:45:36kugelsaratoga: I think it shouldnt take that long anymore. it's working very well already
23:46:00saratogai guess getting it into the build system might be trickier
23:46:25kugelone problem is that I don't know how the installation works (i.e. how this special rom is crafted) and how to deal with the toolchain setup
23:46:26lebelliumlovasoa: Thanks. I'll ask Lorenzo tomorrow to prepare the new ROM so that you don't feel frustrated too long :p
23:46:38lovasoaIs someone currently working on making the radio work?
23:46:54kugelsaratoga: this needs a full-blown compiler (not the ones we build in
23:47:22saratogaso i guess this will require an update of
23:47:28saratogahave you picked a gcc version for it yet?
23:47:35kugelbootstrapping one isnt fun, i'd rather pick some you can download pre-build. not sure we're happy with codesourcery?
23:47:54saratogai suppose using the same one as the other arm targets would simplify codec optimization
23:48:12kugelI'm currently using 4.4.1 (because we know 4.4.x works well), but I guess anything newer would also work
23:48:27saratogawhy codesourcery? as i recall it wasn't any better then stock in our tests
23:48:40kugelwhere can you download stock?
23:48:51saratogayou'd probably to build it
23:48:57kugelas I said, bootstrapping isnt fun
23:49:13saratogaoh, why is that?
23:49:15kugelwith this one you need to build the c library as well
23:50:08kugelpossibly the bootstrapping is simplified if the c library is already prebuilt, but I really don't know
23:51:50kugelbut IIRC normally you need 3 steps: binutils, minimal stange gcc, minimal libc, full gcc, full libc (we stop at minimal gcc for the other toolchains)
23:52:05kugelit's sure taking a while and has tricky dependencies
23:52:36saratogado debian or ubuntu provide packed arm cross compilers?
23:53:05funmanubuntu does i think
23:53:21funman(linaro project?)
23:53:29saratogayes i'm seeing that on google
23:53:53saratogaperhaps using theirs would be best? we could easily install it in a VM for anyone who needed to compile
23:53:59lovasoaI tried to use the one provided by ubuntu, and everything I compiled was segfaulting on the target
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23:54:39kugelsaratoga: what's the advantage of debian/ubuntu packages?
23:54:56saratogaeasy to install
23:55:01kugelthe disadvantage is being limited to .deb-based systems
23:55:26kugelonly slightly easier, and you need root access on the dev machine
23:55:59kugelwhich is not true for compilers. codesourcery gcc is only unzipping (and adding to $PATH) and works on all linux
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23:57:14lovasoaBut there is no 64bit version of sourcery, is it?
23:57:16kugeldistro packages could be updated to a new major gcc version any time, possibly breaking our build
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