| 00:00:55 | lovasoa | lebellium: I didn't notice any bug |
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| 00:01:36 | lebellium | ok thanks |
| 00:02:02 | lovasoa | But the icons are less beautifull than the stock ones |
| 00:02:12 | lebellium | what icons? |
| 00:02:17 | lebellium | I used the stock ones |
| 00:02:29 | lovasoa | But they are scaled |
| 00:02:41 | lovasoa | So they don't look fine... |
| 00:02:49 | lebellium | hum |
| 00:03:06 | lovasoa | Or at least not as fine as in cabbiev2 |
| 00:03:18 | lebellium | the stock ones you mean from cabbiev2? |
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| 00:04:20 | lovasoa | They look just like before r31059 (31059) |
| 00:04:48 | lebellium | that's normal |
| 00:05:01 | lebellium | I did not change the icons on my theme since the 1st version 0.71 |
| 00:05:13 | lebellium | but that's very easy to change that |
| 00:06:43 | kugel | if you use the stock icons which cabbie also uses you shouldnt ship them in your theme |
| 00:07:52 | lebellium | for the moment in my cfg file there is |
| 00:07:54 | lebellium | "iconset: /.rockbox/icons/tango_small.bmp " |
| 00:08:11 | lebellium | but I see the new icons have been renamed |
| 00:08:13 | lebellium | "tango_icons.16x16.bmp" |
| 00:08:47 | lebellium | that's why cabbiev2 and my theme don't have the same icons for the moment |
| 00:08:59 | lebellium | not a problem, I'll fix that for the "official release" |
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| 00:13:44 | lebellium | oh and I just noticed my FM menu has disappeared :( lol |
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| 00:22:25 | stripwax | (without any meaningful investigation) has anyone else noticed that the debug buffering screen on ipod video suggests that audio playback is using more CPU than it used to? |
| 00:23:40 | JdGordon | are you moving the wheel? |
| 00:24:49 | stripwax | me? no. not even sure what you mean −− moving the wheel changes track |
| 00:25:32 | JdGordon | just that moving the wheel causes the ipods to boost now |
| 00:26:39 | jhMikeS | which means boost could still be on when entering the screen? |
| 00:26:46 | stripwax | oh, well that's new. but no, I'm not moving the wheel. CPU used to average out around 33MHz ish according to the debug buffering screen, and recently (absolutely no idea since when - a month or two perhaps) it's more like 39MHz. |
| 00:27:00 | stripwax | I can see it boosting and unboosting |
| 00:27:38 | stripwax | It could be absolutely coincidental of course and unrelated to audio playback e.g. maybe debug screen is redrawing more frequently and/or screen updates are using more CPU |
| 00:28:17 | jhMikeS | 6MHz is a pretty large load |
| 00:31:11 | stripwax | odd, putting on a current build from just-now I see nothing out of the ordinary |
| 00:31:49 | stripwax | JdGordon - nope, turning the wheel still changes track... are you sure it was changed to mean 'force boosting'? |
| 00:32:48 | stripwax | looks like false alarm (and/or already fixed) on the CPU usage though |
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| 00:34:48 | * | stripwax apologises, and goes back to sleep |
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| 00:45:06 | * | stripwax wakes up anyway |
| 00:45:49 | funman | stripwax: btw to analyze cpu usage correctly you need test_codec. debug screen is not reliable |
| 00:46:17 | stripwax | funman - yep, but test_codec isn't built by default and I currently don't trust my build env |
| 00:46:18 | stripwax | well I guess since I'm here... what's *supposed* to happen if I hold down ff/rev (to seek) while a track naturally ends of its own accord (and then let go)? |
| 00:47:44 | stripwax | e.g. I'm near the end of a track, and I want to seek to a much earlier point, so hold down rev, but then the track actually ends. It seems to end up changing track and seeking to a point in the middle of that new track, which seems pretty weird. |
| 00:47:57 | * | stripwax tries to reproduce and hopefully describe it a bit better. |
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| 00:49:48 | * | stripwax must have been hallucinating last night. the above is impossible, and the CPU usage is low like usual. |
| 00:50:40 | stripwax | or maybe I just had some incredibly buggy build and had never noticed before last night. current build seems dandy. |
| 00:51:04 | jhMikeS | stripwax: which codec? |
| 00:51:16 | jhMikeS | re: weird rewind behavior |
| 00:51:40 | stripwax | jhMikeS - excellent question - either: mp3, vorbis, wav . |
| 00:52:29 | stripwax | on current build it seems absolutely impossible for vorbis, since codec doesn't continue to decode while seeking. I've rarely used mp3 or wav before last night so there's a chance it was one of those (trying now) |
| 00:52:35 | jhMikeS | it really shouldn't end of its own accord while rewinding |
| 00:54:38 | stripwax | other codecs likewise. I have absolutely no idea what I must have imagined was happening yesterday. |
| 00:55:19 | jhMikeS | I can't reproduce any such thing |
| 00:55:25 | stripwax | yep me neither |
| 00:55:43 | jhMikeS | so, it's not doing it at all now? |
| 00:56:30 | stripwax | correct, I am absolutely unable, using current build, to reproduce any of the weirdness I (thought I) experienced yesterday on an older build |
| 00:56:41 | jhMikeS | how old? |
| 00:57:16 | jhMikeS | the old playback engine I believe behaved that way, it shouldn't now |
| 00:57:19 | stripwax | as above, my guess was about a month or so, but I didn't make a note of the old build version before putting the current build on |
| 00:57:28 | stripwax | Ah −− well at least maybe I'm not going insane |
| 00:58:52 | jhMikeS | it didn't really handle very well things at track boundaries where the next track is already decoding but you're still hearing the previously decoded one |
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| 01:03:02 | jhMikeS | if it was older than r29785 then I can see what you're talking about |
| 01:04:25 | stripwax | gotcha. almost certainly in that case. |
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| 01:06:30 | stripwax | unrelated finding on current build - after doing an Update Database, I took a look at the View Database Info debug item, and it said Progress was 83%, even though (as far as I can tell) it finished the update. Taking a look at the database, the two new albums I copied onto the ipod do show up. And then I tried launching pictureflow, and it did *not* build album thumbs for the two new albums (even though they have valid album a |
| 01:06:30 | stripwax | rt which displays when playing those albums). |
| 01:07:25 | stripwax | Has the pictureflow 'auto rebuild albumart thumbnails after a database update' logic been changed in some way? or is my database in some inconsistent state perhaps? |
| 01:10:12 | stripwax | Hrm, relatedly my dircache seems to have turned itself off during/after the database update |
| 01:10:57 | stripwax | even though the setting is still 'On' for dircache, it's just spinning up the disk every time I do anything in the file browser |
| 01:17:10 | stripwax | ah: interesting. I had a quick look at the Dircache debug info and it said Cache Initialized was No. I then went into Settings->System->Disk->Dircache (and saw that dircache was set to Yes still) and *without making any changes* came back out again. I could hear the disk spinning and dircache being built. Looking at the dircache debug, it now said Cache Initialised was Yes. |
| 01:17:59 | stripwax | I then resumed playback of some music I was listening to, and then stopped it. At this point, Dircache has now turned itself off again. |
| 01:19:37 | stripwax | Unclear if this is related to FS #12216 or something new. What would you suggest I try? |
| 01:19:37 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12216 Dircache shuts down when closing a file that was opened prior to reloading the dircache (bugs, new) |
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| 01:54:14 | PILON | Hello rockbox world |
| 01:54:44 | PILON | I have a question regardin rockbox on my gigabeat s |
| 01:55:19 | PILON | test |
| 01:55:53 | JdGordon | certainly, is this the 5 min argument or the full half hour? |
| 01:56:28 | PILON | rockbox bootloader seems to adamant regardin voltage reading, refuse to start even with juice |
| 01:57:42 | PILON | on the rockbox info I always 0h -1m in battery estimation |
| 01:57:52 | JdGordon | sounds like a hardware problem |
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| 01:58:15 | PILON | and i canot use the gigabeat over usb without charging yet even with juice |
| 01:58:44 | PILON | i moded a 1000mAh battery if that can change somethin |
| 01:59:48 | PILON | hardware issue? |
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| 02:03:32 | alienkid10 | does hte fuzev2 still have the issue with the screen failing when going to full bright? |
| 02:03:35 | alienkid10 | the* |
| 02:03:48 | alienkid10 | (IE using flashlight) |
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| 02:27:19 | * | jhMikeS was gonna say that if the battery is old or crappy, it will or could sag alot during a reboot but the asker left before /me could say |
| 02:28:54 | jhMikeS | my battery is getting old and saggy and that's just what happens now |
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| 05:10:03 | limescout | question: If I'm building the rockbox source for the simulator, do I need to finish with make zip? (as per the guide for compiling for devices on the website) |
| 05:11:17 | funman | no you only bneed to run make install |
| 05:11:24 | limescout | great, thanks |
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| 08:26:59 | Topic | "Rockbox turns 10 years today! | Branched for 3.10 | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc" by Zagor (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) |
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| 09:04:59 | GodEater_ | happy birthday to us, happy birthday to us, happy biiiiiiiiiiiiirthday dear Rockbox, happy birthday to us! |
| 09:05:49 | * | Zagor distributes cake |
| 09:06:28 | GodEater_ | e-cake, my favourite kind. |
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| 10:02:29 | nick-p | With a fresh chekout of r31161, trying to cross compile a win32 e200v2 sim (../tools/configure −−target=56 −−type=AWS && make) gives me; |
| 10:02:33 | nick-p | apps/plugin.o:plugin.c:(.rdata+0x80): undefined reference to `_lcd_blit_yuv' |
| 10:02:36 | nick-p | apps/plugin.o:plugin.c:(.rdata+0x84): undefined reference to `_lcd_yuv_set_options' |
| 10:02:40 | nick-p | Normal e200 compile is fine (../tools/configure −−target=56 −−type=N && make) |
| 10:02:43 | nick-p | Anyone else getting this? Was fine the last time I updated (a few days ago) |
| 10:08:08 | wodz | nick-p: known issue |
| 10:08:29 | wodz | FS #12427 |
| 10:08:29 | nick-p | wodz: ah, thanks |
| 10:08:30 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12427 win32 cc does not compile (undefined reference 'lcd_blit_yuv') (bugs, new) |
| 10:20:51 | kugel | oh that cake looks tasty! Happy birthday to Rockbox and this all of our invaluable contributors |
| 10:20:59 | kugel | thus* |
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| 11:01:31 | rarog | Oh nice, 10 years passed already... :D |
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| 11:04:33 | dionoea | congrats on the birthday logo :) |
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| 11:22:29 | z180 | do you rebranch 3.10 from SVN? |
| 11:25:01 | gevaerts | rebranch? no, why? |
| 11:25:17 | gevaerts | We have a perfectly usable 3.10 branch already |
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| 11:33:23 | wodz | sooo, when do we release? |
| 11:34:17 | gevaerts | tonight |
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| 13:38:30 | JdGordon | scorche: can you update the sidebar on the forums to match rb.org? |
| 13:39:51 | kugel | the theme site is slightly off also |
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| 13:48:50 | kugel | JdGordon: FS #12430 ? |
| 13:48:51 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12430 FM presets tags aren't dynamic in status bar. (bugs, unconfirmed) |
| 13:49:08 | kugel | the patch looks safe enough to backport to 3.10 if necessary |
| 13:49:12 | JdGordon | saw it, havnt looked into it |
| 13:49:14 | kugel | assuming it's really a bug |
| 13:49:17 | JdGordon | oh, its got a patch? |
| 13:49:23 | kugel | yes |
| 13:49:39 | JdGordon | yep, thats fine, go ahead and commit |
| 13:50:06 | JdGordon | I wouldnt think count needs to be dynamic |
| 13:50:34 | kugel | can't you add presets while listening? |
| 13:50:53 | JdGordon | I dont know, can you? |
| 13:51:08 | JdGordon | and by that, it means, can you add without causing a fullscreen update anyway? |
| 13:51:19 | JdGordon | i.e yes/no popup or menu transition |
| 13:51:39 | kugel | not sure |
| 13:52:12 | JdGordon | meh, commit as it |
| 13:52:22 | JdGordon | its not a huge deal if it causes extra line redraws |
| 13:54:16 | kugel | what needs to happen to get STATIC tags updated? |
| 13:54:40 | JdGordon | they are only updated when a fullscreen redraw happens, so on a track change, or changing screens |
| 13:55:31 | kugel | so a preset change should cause such a redraw? |
| 13:56:13 | * | JdGordon was hoping to not look at the fm code :p |
| 13:56:52 | JdGordon | update_type = SKIN_REFRESH_ALL; <- so yes |
| 13:57:35 | JdGordon | sonuds like its the sbs not updateing |
| 13:59:32 | JdGordon | ok, so yeah, the patch fixes it by making the sbs update those tags more often than needed |
| 13:59:43 | JdGordon | when really the sbs should be told to do a full redraw |
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| 14:00:43 | JdGordon | calling skin_request_full_update(SBS); in radio.c if update_type==SKIN_REFRESH_ALL is a better fix |
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| 14:24:48 | pamaury | I think it has already been asked, but is it possible to add the Fuze+ player type to the flyspray ? |
| 14:25:04 | kugel | JdGordon: I see |
| 14:25:50 | kugel | JdGordon: should the skin engine do this perhaps? |
| 14:25:59 | kugel | e.g. as part of skin_update() |
| 14:26:37 | kugel | heh, skin_update() even does it if it detects cuesheet changes |
| 14:26:51 | kugel | oh but for the current skin, not the sbs |
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| 14:55:28 | nick-p | JdGordon, kugel: I've added another patch based on your suggestions: FS #12430, also works, cleaner? |
| 14:55:29 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12430 FM presets tags aren't dynamic in status bar. (bugs, unconfirmed) |
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| 15:28:31 | kugel | nick-p: it should be if (update_type == SKIN_REFRESH_ALL) skin_request_full_update(CUSTOM_STATUSBAR); I think |
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| 15:29:22 | kugel | the sbs is constantly updated, no need to do it explicitely from the fms. but it doesnt update STATIC tags automatically |
| 15:30:06 | nick-p | kugel: that makes sense, I'll give it a go |
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| 15:44:12 | nick-p | kugel: thanks, that worked |
| 15:57:24 | kugel | nick-p: great |
| 15:58:58 | CIA-10 | New commit by kugel (r31162): Fix for "FS #12430 - FM presets tags aren't dynamic in status bar." |
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| 16:03:16 | kugel | release party soon? :) |
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| 16:10:43 | * | kugel is quite happy with how this hybrid port on the R0 actually works |
| 16:11:04 | kugel | and I'm again astonished how incredibly portable rockbox is :) |
| 16:13:02 | TheLemonMan | kugel: what toolchain are you using for the r0 port ? |
| 16:13:15 | kugel | codesourcery (for now) |
| 16:13:36 | TheLemonMan | arr, im on x86_64 and cant use that, any clue about how to compile a native one ? |
| 16:13:58 | kugel | you can use that on 64bit, just need the 32bit compat libraries :) |
| 16:14:08 | kugel | (like with the android ndk) |
| 16:14:51 | kugel | TheLemonMan: only a slight clue, but I don't want to go through it actually |
| 16:15:33 | TheLemonMan | so no official support in the rockbox toolchain builder? thats really a shame |
| 16:15:42 | kugel | not yet |
| 16:16:05 | TheLemonMan | then i'll try to get the ball running with the 32bit compiler |
| 16:16:11 | kugel | a full blown toolchain (with libc support) is more difficult that a compiler for bare metal |
| 16:17:07 | Torne | building your own toolchain when compiling for linux on a generally supported machine is generally not that useful anyway |
| 16:17:17 | Torne | if you really want one, crosstool or whatever can do it |
| 16:17:37 | Torne | (and handles all the weird edge cases that our scripts don't know or care about due to not having a libc) |
| 16:18:45 | TheLemonMan | i guess rockbox will be statically compiled against the libs needed |
| 16:20:28 | kugel | static or not doesnt really matter does it? |
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| 16:22:10 | Torne | building dynamically is better, if you have the right toolchain |
| 16:22:16 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: I don remember, who was the one who asked you about the registers of the stmp3700 ? |
| 16:22:33 | kugel | Torne: do you know what steps would be needed after the compiler we already have? and can it be simplified considering the libc is already pre-built on the device? |
| 16:22:34 | TheLemonMan | ive lost hope in dynamic linking after all the countless problems it gave because of lib version |
| 16:22:49 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: just a sec, let me grep the backlog |
| 16:23:03 | Torne | kugel: you either need to build the c compiler twice (again after building libc) to get the right libgcc |
| 16:23:10 | Torne | or provide the library sources during the build of gcc |
| 16:23:24 | Torne | the latter is, er, kinda fun |
| 16:23:31 | Torne | Crosscompiling toolchains is a bitch |
| 16:23:40 | Torne | my vote is "use crosstool" |
| 16:23:50 | Torne | it is *harder*, not easier, because the libc is already prebuilt |
| 16:23:52 | kugel | so we could compile libc with our eabi compiler, and then with that a full gcc? |
| 16:23:59 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: no luck, the backlog i have is too recent |
| 16:24:00 | Torne | you need to actually make one that matches |
| 16:24:12 | pamaury | The |
| 16:24:15 | Torne | kugel: probably, but technically you should be using the right target |
| 16:24:38 | Torne | something like arm-linux-gnueabi instead of arm-eabi |
| 16:24:48 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: I think he planned to do a rockbox port right ? do you remember the target ? My logs are too recent too and I don want to download all the logs |
| 16:24:49 | kugel | for the full compiler sure |
| 16:25:00 | Torne | No, for libc as well |
| 16:25:36 | Torne | libc has all kinds of hideous magic in it that depends on the toolchain it was built with (not the one it's being used to build against now) |
| 16:25:37 | kugel | I thought arm-linux-gnueabi has already libc support |
| 16:25:41 | TheLemonMan | iirc it was a philips player, but im not really sure |
| 16:25:49 | Torne | what do you mean, "has libc support"? |
| 16:26:07 | kugel | being built for a specific libc |
| 16:26:15 | Torne | no |
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| 16:26:24 | Torne | the system identifier is not about libc at all |
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| 16:27:04 | Torne | the usual way is to build the actual compiler you want, but with only C enabled and with the configure switch that tells it not to use any system library headers |
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| 16:27:09 | Torne | then use that to build libc |
| 16:27:31 | Torne | then build another compiler for the same system, but with the now-built-and-installed libc headers and with any languages you want |
| 16:27:32 | kugel | but that's what we do for our bare metal compiler, no? |
| 16:27:42 | Torne | but we don't target the same system |
| 16:27:47 | Torne | arm-eabi is not the same as arm-linux-gnueabi |
| 16:27:49 | kugel | "only enable C and don't use any system library headers" I mean |
| 16:27:52 | Torne | at least, in theory :) |
| 16:27:58 | kugel | I see |
| 16:28:00 | Torne | the practical difference is.. small |
| 16:28:05 | Torne | but exists. kinda. |
| 16:28:11 | Torne | it's hard to actually discover what the differences are |
| 16:28:15 | Torne | gcc doesn't ahve any kind of list of them |
| 16:28:25 | Torne | you have to look in dozens/hundreds of places to work out what a system identifier actually *means* |
| 16:28:46 | kugel | perhaps it's worth a try anyway :) |
| 16:28:51 | Torne | i don't think so |
| 16:28:58 | Torne | it will almost certainly appear to work just fine |
| 16:29:03 | Torne | Whether it's actually right or not. |
| 16:29:15 | Torne | It doesn't seem like it would be any easier than doing it correctly |
| 16:29:24 | Torne | so i don't see the point in doing something that's not guaranteed to be correct |
| 16:30:04 | kugel | using code sourcery is also technially incorrect then |
| 16:30:20 | Torne | is it? |
| 16:30:25 | kugel | I dont think it's libc matches the one on the device |
| 16:30:29 | Torne | It doesn't have to |
| 16:30:32 | TheLemonMan | i guess that arm-none-linxu-gnueabi and arm-linux-gnueabi are the same target |
| 16:30:42 | Torne | TheLemonMan: You would guess that, and you are probably right |
| 16:30:50 | Torne | for that specific pair :) |
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| 16:30:57 | Torne | but in general it's impossible to determine, afaik |
| 16:31:29 | Torne | the system identifiers are *really* badly structured and hard to interpret outside of the context of the people that actually work on the toolchain for a given arch/platform :) |
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| 16:31:45 | kugel | if you read the gcc mailing list (as I do) you'll find that a) most of these combos are equivalent and b) the gcc guys themselve have no clue |
| 16:31:50 | Torne | Yes |
| 16:32:01 | Torne | as i said, there is no one source for what these mean |
| 16:32:15 | Torne | their meaning is distributed throughout all the autoconf magic for gcc/libgcc/libc/othercompilers/libiberty/etc |
| 16:32:26 | Torne | and through the code in places too |
| 16:32:28 | Torne | and other places still |
| 16:32:48 | TheLemonMan | what about llvm based toolchains ? |
| 16:33:11 | Torne | kugel: whether libc "matches" is not relevant. if you dynamically link libc you just need to be using the same ABI, and a compatible API version, to the one on device |
| 16:33:30 | Torne | kugel: see regular desktop linux, where i can send you a binary that links against libc dynamically and you can probably run it because glibc doesn't break APIs much |
| 16:33:55 | Torne | if you statically link then it doesn't matter at all what libc is on the device, it only matters whether *your* libc is built against sufficiently compatible kernel headers compared to the kernel running on device. |
| 16:34:15 | kugel | that reminds me, I think linux has a different abi w.r.t. to enums that we do |
| 16:34:17 | Torne | the "magic" such as there is is building libgcc to match the C library it's going to run against |
| 16:34:18 | kugel | than* |
| 16:34:29 | Torne | kugel: Yes, that's i think the major difference between gnueabi and eabi |
| 16:34:44 | Torne | eabi left a couple of minor details implementation defined for NO GOOD REASON |
| 16:34:49 | Torne | and then various people defined those differently |
| 16:34:53 | Torne | so now the universal standard has, like, three versions. |
| 16:34:57 | Torne | congratulations arm |
| 16:35:14 | Torne | (as a bonus i have arm-linux-androideabi here :) |
| 16:35:23 | kugel | who doesnt :) |
| 16:35:23 | Torne | (*no* idea what that's equivalent to, if anything) |
| 16:36:07 | kugel | that's just standard linux, with some defaults different (like -fPIC enabled by default) to suit android |
| 16:36:22 | Torne | what's "standard linux", though? |
| 16:36:34 | * | Torne can build a perfectly functioning linux system with a "standard" eabi toolchain |
| 16:36:37 | kugel | added in 4.6 and backported by the ndk folks |
| 16:36:47 | Torne | but it won't be ABI compatible with most binaries you can get from the internet |
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| 16:36:50 | Torne | because they all use gnueabi |
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| 16:37:00 | kugel | Torne: well, "*-linux-gnueabi*" I'd say |
| 16:37:37 | Torne | right, but there's nowhere that this is actually enshrined as a standard, is my point |
| 16:37:41 | Torne | :) |
| 16:37:54 | Torne | there exist ARM Linux systems built for an exciting variety of ABIs :/ |
| 16:37:55 | kugel | from what I know is that all linux are the same, except the libc can be different (uclibc, (e)glibc, newlib,...) |
| 16:38:02 | Torne | well, you know wrong then |
| 16:38:04 | Torne | sorry :) |
| 16:38:14 | Torne | there's at *least* three ABIs that are in use |
| 16:38:19 | kugel | the eabi ones at least |
| 16:38:24 | Torne | also wrong |
| 16:38:30 | Torne | see eabi vs gnueabi again |
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| 16:39:00 | Torne | for even more fun consider the variation in what kernel headers libc is compiled against (a lot of arm systems still use very old kernels) |
| 16:39:05 | Torne | sooo, yeah. |
| 16:39:06 | kugel | I don't know a non-gnueabi target that I would consider standard |
| 16:39:19 | Torne | kugel: people build them by accident, it's quite easy |
| 16:40:51 | Torne | aaanyway |
| 16:41:04 | Torne | the actual system here is just some random linux made by a vendor, right? |
| 16:41:06 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: was it Zoiah ? |
| 16:41:25 | Torne | do they have sources/buildscripts around somewhere we can just steal? because that's totally easiest |
| 16:41:49 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: might be, i think you said his name when i asked you the same question some weeks ago |
| 16:41:56 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: or low_light perhaps ? |
| 16:41:57 | Torne | if not, then work out what libc version they are running and what their system identifier is and just build a normal cross linux toolchain using those (same general libc version but doesn't have to be the same release) |
| 16:42:27 | Torne | i don't see the advantage of using our existing toolchain to bootstrap with instead of doing it the "normal" way; it only takes a couple of minutes on a reasonable computer to churn out gcc :) |
| 16:43:58 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: i kinda remember Zoiah name |
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| 16:48:59 | TheLemonMan | Fatal error: Invalid -march= option: `armv5te' |
| 16:49:09 | kugel | Torne: I didn't sources for their toolchain |
| 16:49:23 | TheLemonMan | too new toolchain or did i screw something ? |
| 16:50:16 | kugel | +find |
| 16:50:58 | kugel | their opensource.zip is lacking lots of stuff |
| 16:51:06 | kugel | it has just linux and busybox |
| 16:51:30 | TheLemonMan | i tried compiling the kernel but faced a nice brick instead |
| 16:52:34 | kugel | Torne: what's the "normal way" you're talking about? :) |
| 16:52:53 | kugel | I would kill to find some decent how-to on cross compilers. they're only many really bad ones |
| 16:53:48 | Torne | Documentation is worthless |
| 16:53:52 | Torne | only working scripts count |
| 16:54:25 | Torne | crosstool(-ng), the bitbake recipes in OE |
| 16:54:37 | Torne | pycorn's Makeppfiles :p |
| 16:54:53 | Torne | though i don't target linux there; i'm doing bare-metal-hosted instead |
| 16:55:01 | kugel | we could put crosstool-ng config files into svn then call it in rockboxdev.sh |
| 16:55:21 | Torne | Yes, that's probably the best way |
| 16:56:27 | * | kugel used it ones, it's quite nice |
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| 17:05:47 | dionoea | Zagor: is svn.rockbox.org/www/irc/ the latest version of the irc web viewer? |
| 17:06:01 | TheLemonMan | downgraded the compiler and now got "export/thread.h:261: error: field 'context' has incomplete type" |
| 17:20:47 | TheLemonMan | same error even with newer compiler |
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| 17:46:29 | low_light | TheLemonMan, pamaury: It was me. I have a Philips Vibe with a 3770. |
| 17:46:44 | pamaury | low_light: did you started the port ? |
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| 17:48:38 | low_light | I'm playing with your "recovery_loader" first. I'm doing some RE for the lcd. Seems like some of the lcd regs are different. |
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| 17:49:05 | TheLemonMan | what lcd type do you have ? |
| 17:51:16 | low_light | I don't know the model and I don't see a way to disassemble the player without cracking the casing. |
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| 17:58:00 | Zagor | dionoea: yes |
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| 18:40:11 | lorenzo92 | kugel: bad news :( with your alsa build, processor speed is quite always at 532 mhz for unknown reason |
| 18:40:33 | lorenzo92 | I actually gave a look at the governor stats and yes it stays more on 532 |
| 18:40:37 | lorenzo92 | than before :( |
| 18:42:06 | CIA-10 | New commit by gevaerts (r31164): Set version to 3.10 in preparation for the release |
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| 18:52:39 | TheLemonMan | oh god, i still cant get it to compile |
| 18:52:43 | TheLemonMan | screw you gcc! |
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| 18:58:29 | CIA-10 | New commit by gevaerts (r31165): Pass VERSION to *all* make invocations in release scripts |
| 18:59:12 | CIA-10 | New commit by gevaerts (r31166): Pass VERSION to *all* make invocations in release scripts |
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| 19:01:10 | CIA-10 | r31166 build result: All green |
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| 19:04:19 | TheLemonMan | kugel: could you please send me a link to the toolchain you're currently using ? |
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| 19:08:37 | pamaury | this fuze+ sd slot is driving me crazy... |
| 19:11:33 | bertrik | pamaury, can I help you with that perhaps? |
| 19:12:39 | pamaury | no, that's just so frustrating, during the week-end it was working except for reading/writing and alrthough I think I don't have change anything it's doesn't work anymore. It fails at ACMD41, the busy bit is never cleared |
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| 19:16:14 | bertrik | still using the same card? |
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| 19:16:55 | pamaury | yes, I have two of them, both give the same result |
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| 20:18:54 | CIA-10 | New commit by gevaerts (r31167): Tag release 3.10 |
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| 20:19:12 | funman | o/ |
| 20:21:17 | funman | by the way, happy 10 years |
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| 20:31:10 | lorenzo92 | yeah happy 10 years :D I've just began to use Rockbox, but it's indeed a great project hehe |
| 20:31:50 | rarog | pamaury: I had a thought about 2nd display CRT-like problem. Could it be somehow related to voltage switching? It seems that it is sometimes away after plugging to USB and plugging back. And if yes, are all the current voltage infos in the debug screen? |
| 20:34:46 | CIA-10 | New commit by bluebrother (r31168): Make rbutil tools Makefile more silent. |
| 20:36:42 | CIA-10 | r31168 build result: All green |
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| 20:40:16 | AlexP_mob | So with 3.10 (nearly) out of the way, when are we doing the git switch? :) |
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| 21:06:49 | CIA-10 | New commit by bluebrother (r31169): ipodpatcher: guard platform specific files. ... |
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| 21:08:46 | CIA-10 | r31169 build result: All green |
| 21:08:54 | kugelp | lorenzo92: :-( |
| 21:09:22 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: yeah strange...needs digging |
| 21:09:24 | kugelp | perhaps relax the buffer sizes |
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| 21:12:22 | kugelp | how do you read the governor stats? perhaps add this to the cpu info debug screen I added in the last patch |
| 21:13:19 | CIA-10 | New commit by bluebrother (r31170): Rockbox Utility: disable some pointless warnings when building with VS. ... |
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| 21:18:53 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: go to sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats |
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| 21:28:13 | CIA-10 | New commit by gevaerts (r31172): Update "since last release" revision |
| 21:33:04 | CIA-10 | New commit by gevaerts (r31173): Update to 3.10 |
| 21:34:33 | CIA-10 | New commit by zagor (r31174): Temporary birthday logo. |
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| 21:40:21 | CIA-10 | New commit by gevaerts (r31176): Update news for 3.10 |
| 21:42:42 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: I will test your new patch soon ;) |
| 21:43:30 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: for the usb, we can indeed place into rockbox. Another important issue is the battery indicator! |
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| 21:46:31 | gevaerts | Zagor: rbutil doesn't pick 3.10 up yet |
| 21:46:55 | gevaerts | bluebrother^: rbutil tells me there's a new version |
| 21:47:26 | gevaerts | Oh, the wiki link hasn't been update yet I think |
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| 21:49:12 | * | gevaerts guesses that the server just needs an svn up |
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| 21:49:39 | gevaerts | bluebrother^: should be fixed now |
| 21:50:35 | Zagor | gevaerts: the date in the news section is wrong |
| 21:50:41 | gevaerts | oops |
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| 21:51:20 | CIA-10 | New commit by gevaerts (r31177): Fix date in news section |
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| 21:56:19 | gevaerts | Zagor: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/build-info is the one rbutil uses |
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| 21:59:18 | henk | hi, connection establishment to the webserver at rockbox.org takes long, I think it may be an ipv6 issue. Can anyone point me to a proper place to report that issue please? |
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| 22:03:50 | Zagor | gevaerts: ah right |
| 22:04:39 | gevaerts | henk: here is fine. B4gder and Zagor are the people who can do something (or at least who know who to shout at) |
| 22:05:01 | Zagor | we should make a perl script to convert build.pm to build-info |
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| 22:05:25 | henk | gevaerts: ok, thank you. |
| 22:06:04 | Zagor | henk: can I have your ipv6 address privately? |
| 22:07:09 | henk | Zagor: Sure. But I just tried pinging from home and from my server, it’s fine from my server, so I guess it’s just a routing problem somewhere. Sorry I did not try that before :-/ |
| 22:07:46 | Zagor | yeah I just tested from http://ipv6-test.com and they can't reach us either. I'll complain to our hosting company. |
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| 22:08:13 | kugelp | gevaerts: Hmm, no word on the birthday in the release mail? |
| 22:08:40 | * | gevaerts makes kugelp read it again |
| 22:09:12 | ukleinek | www.rockbox.org pong6s for me |
| 22:09:42 | henk | Zagor: I’ll /msg you a traceroute paste if that’s ok? |
| 22:09:48 | kugelp | gevaerts: It's !% |
| 22:09:54 | Zagor | henk: sure |
| 22:10:02 | kugelp | It's magic, now its there! |
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| 22:12:55 | gevaerts | ok, rockbox utility installs 3.10 properly |
| 22:13:06 | * | gevaerts stops working and starts celebrating |
| 22:13:26 | Zagor | wohoo |
| 22:14:31 | kugelp | parteeey! |
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| 22:17:53 | bluebrother^ | gevaerts: thanks, completely forgot about the wiki |
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| 22:18:55 | bluebrother^ | \o/ |
| 22:21:03 | Zagor | just a note for future releases: we don't actually use the download mirrors anymore. everything comes from our own server. |
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| 22:22:01 | gevaerts | Zagor: that sentence still gives us a bit of time to fix things if needed :) |
| 22:22:12 | Zagor | haha |
| 22:22:43 | gevaerts | The build-info thing was *entirely* caused by slow mirrors |
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| 22:24:08 | ukleinek | Zagor: so you don't recommend getting rockbox via download.com? :-) |
| 22:24:44 | Zagor | haha |
| 22:24:48 | bluebrother^ | why don't we use mirrors anymore? |
| 22:25:34 | Zagor | mainly because that makes us unable to count downloads. also we decided the bandwidth is cheap enough we (Haxx) can pay for it all. |
| 22:25:56 | bluebrother^ | ah, ok |
| 22:26:06 | B4gder | what is a terrabyte among friends anyway? =) |
| 22:26:29 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: :( :( |
| 22:26:46 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: your patch doesn't work. I mena...rockbox crashes! |
| 22:27:11 | lorenzo92 | strange white stripes in the logo + crash |
| 22:27:44 | bluebrother^ | Zagor: btw, we don't have graphical download stats, do we? |
| 22:27:48 | kugelp | meh. it works fine for me |
| 22:27:55 | Zagor | bluebrother^: not public, no |
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| 22:28:18 | bluebrother^ | not public meaning no public stats or no public graphical stats? |
| 22:28:32 | Zagor | no public stats at all |
| 22:28:42 | * | bluebrother^ could be interested in creating graphs out of download stats |
| 22:29:37 | kugelp | lorenzo92: please try if my changes to the lcd driver cause it |
| 22:29:45 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: okay |
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| 22:33:31 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: yeah. restoring the old lcd file starts correctly uhm uhm, no clue why for you it's working lol" |
| 22:35:31 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: but now the cpu usage seems to be returned normal ;) |
| 22:35:42 | lorenzo92 | I mean, most of the time at 200 mhz |
| 22:36:11 | kugelp | huh. very strange |
| 22:37:03 | lorenzo92 | nice the cpu load screen :) |
| 22:37:07 | lorenzo92 | how does it work? |
| 22:37:48 | Zagor | bluebrother^: sure, I'm all for creating graphs. I just don't want to expose our whole awstats system. |
| 22:38:59 | kugelp | lorenzo92: well, look at the code :-) its using the times() syscall to get stats about the process |
| 22:39:05 | henk | Thank you very much for 3.10. I just installed and booted it fine on my sansa e200 v2 :) |
| 22:39:20 | henk | Zagor: Thanks for taking care of the problem! :) |
| 22:39:27 | henk | bye |
| 22:39:38 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: yeah ok it interfaces with the system that's what I wanted to know :p |
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| 22:39:50 | bluebrother^ | Zagor: should be possible to generate graphs from the logs every now and then and upload the result, shouldn't it? |
| 22:40:16 | Zagor | yes |
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| 22:40:38 | saratoga | who controls the facebook group for rockbox? |
| 22:41:09 | kugelp | lorenzo92: you can see in my patch how to address the pixels. perhaps you can make it work |
| 22:41:47 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: okay, will have a look sooner or later...anyway. Any idea how to implement battery monitor? |
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| 22:42:04 | kugelp | I could imagine that your particular unit can only update even pixel boundaries or some sort |
| 22:42:34 | lorenzo92 | ah! you think that there is something different..uhm |
| 22:43:40 | kugelp | lorenzo92: do you know if remote debugging is possible, e.g. via usb? |
| 22:44:11 | lorenzo92 | eh surely with this kernel not :( |
| 22:44:51 | lorenzo92 | maybe throug a usb gadget... |
| 22:45:04 | kugelp | another question: where does alas come from? I don't see it in the rootfs provided by Samsung |
| 22:45:28 | kugelp | I see it in the r1 package however without sources |
| 22:45:56 | lorenzo92 | alas? you mean alsa? |
| 22:46:25 | kugelp | yes |
| 22:46:43 | lorenzo92 | indeed the rootfs provided by samsung is NOT complete at all (don't ask me why lol) |
| 22:47:08 | lorenzo92 | sources are there |
| 22:47:13 | lorenzo92 | wait |
| 22:47:43 | lorenzo92 | well there is the kernel alsa driver (sources too) |
| 22:47:51 | lorenzo92 | but not the sources of alsa... |
| 22:47:55 | lorenzo92 | lib |
| 22:48:02 | kugelp | grr |
| 22:48:21 | lorenzo92 | they must provide it? |
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| 22:48:52 | kugelp | sure, alsa is lgpl |
| 22:49:01 | kugelp | isn't it? |
| 22:49:43 | lorenzo92 | don't know but yes should be |
| 22:50:07 | lorenzo92 | why do you need them? |
| 22:50:09 | funman | lgpl sources must be provided still |
| 22:52:50 | kugelp | lorenzo92: they also lack glibc sources |
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| 22:53:18 | Strife89 | Happy Birthday, Rockbox! :) |
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| 23:01:12 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: there are still issues with something that's eating too much cpu I guess |
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| 23:16:49 | pamaury | arg, when I left I had a brilliant idea about why the fuze+ sd it could not work and now I have forgotten it :( Perhaps it was that brilliant after all |
| 23:19:27 | lxs-makot0 | hmm, if i fastforward then turn volume down and hit pause all very quickly, i can lockup my sansa fuze... |
| 23:21:09 | rarog | pamaury: sad. :/ but hey. perhaps you'll dream it. |
| 23:21:59 | rarog | I had this once. in my dream I had the solution for a problem and luckily it was a lucid dream so I remembered the solution next morning. :D |
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| 23:38:27 | pamaury | usually it's the other way around: during the night you realize youw ere completely dumb |
| 23:38:57 | pamaury | I think I'm missing the power up clock sequence for sd, I'm surprize that no other target does it |
| 23:39:20 | n1s | i once woke up in the middle of the night with a solution for a problem i had been trying to solve during the day |
| 23:40:36 | n1s | maybe bootloaders or whatever does it on other targets? |
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| 23:41:35 | rarog | Or maybe it's hardcoded into the hardware so software doesn't have to do this. |
| 23:41:54 | rarog | btw, paumary, did you read my thought about the CRT problem this morning? |
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| 23:43:05 | pamaury | yes but I don't really know what is the source of the problem. I think it might be because of a sudden power drain and the dc-dc converter does not follow; so perhaps it's a problem of power system optimization; or perhaps it comes from a clock but I'm not sure |
| 23:43:31 | pamaury | it might be a voltage which is too low also |
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| 23:45:09 | rarog | but can I read the current voltage somewhere with the debug build? |
| 23:45:34 | rarog | If yes I could just compare the numbers. |
| 23:46:16 | pamaury | yes you can in the debug > HW info screen |
| 23:46:34 | pamaury | which a recent build, I committed this screen not long ago |
| 23:46:36 | pamaury | *with |
| 23:46:56 | pamaury | Perhaps you can pastebin the output of different screens: clocks and voltages |
| 23:47:07 | rarog | Ok, I need also a debug build, right? I'll recompile then. |
| 23:47:11 | pamaury | no |
| 23:47:23 | pamaury | the debug menu is in all builds I think |
| 23:47:30 | rarog | ah ok. |
| 23:47:43 | rarog | and pastebin? Is the output logged in a file so I can just c&p? |
| 23:50:07 | rarog | Ok, latest source is compiling now. |
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| 23:51:05 | bluebrother^ | hmm. |
| 23:51:20 | pamaury | rarog: you, you'll have to do it by hand unfortunately |
| 23:51:40 | bluebrother^ | I'm trying to merge the Makefiles for all tools below rbutil −− i.e. mk*boot and *patcher |
| 23:52:20 | bluebrother^ | but looking at it the libucl Makefile seems also to be a candidate for merging −− afaiu it's only used when building with Rockbox Utility |
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