#rockbox 2011-12-08

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#rockbox log for 2011-12-08

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02:05:25	white_magic	does anyone know if any firmware for the sansa clip+ can playback cuesheets (like foobar2000 can)?
02:05:41	white_magic	as i just found out, rockbox currently only displays the contents of a cueshet
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02:07:30	saratoga_	i think rockbox is pretty much the only firmware for anything that plays cue sheets
02:08:14	white_magic	well it doesn't playback the ones i have.. but i wonder if it's because the same directory contains another cuesheet and another mp3 file (in addition to the one this first cuesheet is supposed to correspond to)
02:08:22	white_magic	http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-04/0024.shtml
02:14:44	white_magic	nope, that's not the problem, i just tested it..
02:17:37	JdGordon	of course it plays cuesheets, if they are named correctly
02:17:42	JdGordon	you may need to actually enable them
02:18:07	JdGordon	yeah, settings > playback settings > cuesheet support
02:18:19	JdGordon	set that to yes
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02:20:53	white_magic	ohhhh lemme try that!
02:21:48	white_magic	wow,that's all there was to it
02:22:01	white_magic	funny thing, fb2k ALSO had cuesheet playback disabled by default
02:22:19	JdGordon	open a bug on that... i don't think there is a good reason it needs to be enabled explicitly anymore
02:22:46	white_magic	hmm i guess i need to register for that
02:22:50	white_magic	oh well, it's for a good cause!
02:23:10	*	JdGordon has a very quick look
02:25:24	JdGordon	ah, don't bother
02:25:36	JdGordon	ok, it looks like we just dont want to do the extra file search for every track
02:26:34	white_magic	Not sure how that works. Are you saying there is a lot of overhead processing when cuesheet support is enabled?
02:26:41	saratoga_	does it matter what the cue sheets are named?
02:26:51	white_magic	i realllly doubt that
02:26:53	saratoga_	you have to read from the disk to see if a cue sheet exists
02:27:07	JdGordon	saratoga_: they need to be named <trackname>.cue in the current dir, or possibly in /cue also
02:27:10	white_magic	what matters most is that the mp3 file referenced in the cuesheet is correct
02:27:21	saratoga_	JdGordon: ok, would you mind adding that to the manual?
02:27:32	JdGordon	isnt it there?
02:28:01	saratoga_	it doesn't mention what filename to use as far as I can tell
02:28:05	saratoga_	just says to enable them
02:28:18	JdGordon	im at work currently, and generally hate fixing the manual :)
02:28:19	JdGordon	so pass!
02:28:36	saratoga_	well i don't know how cue sheets work so i'm not doing it
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02:35:29	dreamlayers	With dircache, searching for cue files should be cheap. Also, targets with dircache have so much memory that the additional allocation for cuesheet support shouldn't be an issue.
02:43:18	JdGordon	if that is the actual reason, maybe we change the default to be deendant on dircache then?
02:46:17	dreamlayers	That makes sense to me. Just one question: can different setting defaults on different targets be confusing to users or require changes to the manual?
02:46:31	saratoga_	i think its safe to make people turn this on
02:46:40	saratoga_	its rarely used, and you'd probably have to check the manual anyway
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02:49:15	JdGordon	i tihnk the naming scheme is actually pretty standard
02:49:49	saratoga_	same name as the file but with a .cue?
02:49:53	JdGordon	yes
02:50:09	saratoga_	ok then maybe having it on by default makes sense
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08:48:00	JdGordon	while im figuring out how to make the sleep timer shortcutable, anyone have any requests for items which currently arent possible?
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08:52:00	wodz	I guess you would like to hear about shortcuts and not about fm screen and rec screen ;-)
08:53:39	kugel	JdGordon, dreamlayers: I guess the main reason is the whooping ~72K for each cuesheet struct. at least one is buffer alloced
08:54:24	kugel	now with buflib we should be able to enable it on demand when the first cuesheet is found
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09:26:07	JdGordon	kugel: where is it allocated? I had a really quick look before and didnt see it?
09:27:28	kugel	hm, actually I think it's not buffer_alloc'd (apart from that this function doesnt exist anymore) anymore. IIRC it's on the audio buffer directly and only if a cuesheet exists for playing file
09:28:12	JdGordon	so whats the harm of having it enabled
09:28:13	JdGordon	?
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09:29:26	kugel	none I'd say
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09:38:17	nick-p	JdGordon, kugel: Isn't it allocated in apps/playback.c, audio_load_cuesheet 1229? (I've been looking at this while working on FS #12419)
09:38:17	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12419 Support for embedded cuesheets. (patches, unconfirmed)
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09:39:25	JdGordon	nick-p: surely thats only allocated if it is needed?
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09:40:10	nick-p	JdGordon: Yes, I think that's currently the case (and if the user has it enabled)
09:40:20	JdGordon	ok, so lets enable it by default
09:40:31	kugel	no, let's remove the setting :)
09:40:49	kugel	IIRC I converted hwcodec to do the same during my buflib work
09:40:50	JdGordon	well that causes a hit if dircache isnt enabled thoguh
09:41:23	kugel	why? aren't cuesheets on the buffer?
09:41:37	kugel	cuesheet-mob I mean?
09:41:50	JdGordon	not ram hit, disk access
09:42:11	kugel	cuesheet-mob I mean?
09:42:25	kugel	:)
09:42:38	kugel	cuesheet is handled like album art isnt it?
09:42:58	JdGordon	yeah, but check for the file for every track?
09:43:06	JdGordon	meh, we do it for aa, yeah, remove the setting
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09:43:26	kugel	the check is negible if the disk is already spinning
09:43:56	kugel	with dircache anyway
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10:07:13	JdGordon	dammit! pressing STD_CONTEXT in the time+date screen does talk_time() which is stopping the usual menu context menu so those items cant be added to the shortcuts screen :/
10:10:39	nick-p	JdGordon: Is it time for a dedicated sleep timer sub menu? I've got another item to add in the pipeline...
10:11:02	JdGordon	eww, no
10:11:09	JdGordon	whats the new item?
10:11:29	nick-p	FS #12338
10:11:29	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12338 Option to restart running sleep timer on keypress (patches, unconfirmed)
10:12:43	JdGordon	does that really need to be a setting?
10:12:51	JdGordon	I'd have thought that shold just happen?
10:13:35	nick-p	I couldn't decide. I thought it might confuse people that the sleep timer kept restarting.
10:13:57	nick-p	I think it should be default behaviour though
10:14:20	JdGordon	why would you have put sleep timer on if you were still using the dap?
10:15:01	nick-p	Well if you reach over to adjust the volume/ tweak a setting it's likely you're not asleep yet ;)
10:15:04	JdGordon	the only reaosn i can tihnk of if you skip a song in your playlist and dont want it to go for another hour
10:15:15	JdGordon	but then you probably want it to keep going
10:15:21	JdGordon	untill you are actually aslep
10:15:44	nick-p	That's right. I think most firmwares restart the timer on keypress
10:16:01	JdGordon	so get rid of the setting and wait to see if there is any negative feedback
10:16:34	nick-p	OK, I'll re-jig the patch
10:17:40	JdGordon	in all likelyhood anyone who gets annoyed by it restarting will forget the annoyance in the morning when they wake up :)
10:19:57	JdGordon	OK, so i think for shortcuts I'll just add a special type for the "start sleep timer"
10:20:03	JdGordon	and add "talk time" while im there
10:20:31	JdGordon	no real point mangling the time+date menu callback to make this work seen as only 1 item in it is shortcutable automatically anyway
10:24:45	JdGordon	nick-p: how do i disable the sleep time?
10:25:26	nick-p	JdGordon: the following will toggle it;
10:25:27	nick-p	if (get_sleep_timer()) sleep_timer_set(0); else set_sleep_timer(global_settings.sleeptimer_duration * 60);
10:25:38	JdGordon	0 means disabled then?
10:25:42	nick-p	Yes
10:25:46	JdGordon	easy peasy :)
10:27:03	kugel	most firmwares/devices/TVs I have seen do not restart the times
10:27:37	nick-p	JdGordon: sorry that should have been set_sleep_timer(0)
10:28:28	nick-p	kugel: I meant DAPs, I've never seen a TV do it
10:29:55	nick-p	kugel: would you rather see it as a setting then?
10:30:09	kugel	I dont care actually
10:31:01	kugel	IMO restarting on keypress is okay, a setting is not needed IMO
10:31:23	JdGordon	yeah, setting is bloat unless there is any feedback
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10:36:55	JdGordon	is there a lang string for something like "sleep timer set?"
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10:40:52	rasher	I think a "sleep timer" shouldn't reset on keypresses. If it was called "inactivity shutdown" or something it should
10:40:53	wodz	could someone with with the clue of our targets screen sizes look at how to optimally do output from backtrace()?
10:46:31	nick-p	JdGordon: only LANG_SLEEP_TIMER "Sleep Timer", it's currently used in s sprintf
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10:54:07	nick-p	Well that was easy, turned out 99% of the patch was the setting handling.
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10:54:19	JdGordon	thats why I said it was ointless :)
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10:59:47	JdGordon	is the sleep timer dependant on HAVE_RTC?
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11:00:52	nick-p	No, that just's just where the menu option ends up
11:01:34	nick-p	T&D sub-menu if there's a RTC, settings menu(?) otherwise
11:02:11	JdGordon	ok
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11:16:50	JdGordon	wodz: an you use buttons in the backtrace screen?
11:17:25	JdGordon	and how many lines do you want to show?
11:23:05	wodz	JdGordon: backtrace() is fatal as it is called from panicf() or from UIE so it basically waits for button to reset the device IMO.
11:23:40	wodz	JdGordon: backtrace() can show at most 32 calls but in practice I never saw more than 7
11:23:50	CIA-10	New commit by jdgordon (r31178): shortcuts: talk the time and configure the sleep timeout ...
11:24:23	JdGordon	wodz: can we allow the up/down buttons?
11:24:36	wodz	if it would work - why not
11:25:02	JdGordon	then there should be no problem displaying the full thing on any target
11:25:47	CIA-10	r31178 build result: 76 errors, 0 warnings (jdgordon committed)
11:26:17	wodz	but remember that when crashed various things may break (for example adc reads for buttons might be borked)
11:27:31	CIA-10	New commit by jdgordon (r31179): Fix red
11:27:46	JdGordon	sure, but in that case there isnt much you can do anyway
11:28:07	JdGordon	so just print as many lines as you can
11:28:29	wodz	my point is that it should display as much interesting things as possible on single screen, scrolling is added value
11:29:21	CIA-10	r31179 build result: All green
11:31:14	JdGordon	you dont really have a choice, you have to use the sysfont so number of lines is fixed
11:32:21	JdGordon	now im done with that... wodz, what did you want to mention about the fm/rec screens?
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11:35:01	wodz	fm, can't remember but rec screen is plain ugly
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11:58:38	TheLemonMan	the standard dirent is fighting against rockbox definitions
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11:59:06	TheLemonMan	how do i suppress the latter ?
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12:00:08	kugel	preprocessor magic in dir.h/dir_uncached.h/dir_cached.h
12:00:15	kugel	it's quite complicated
12:01:15	TheLemonMan	dont see where you disable that in your patch tho
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12:35:12	TheLemonMan	onto next problem! is there a dummy audio driver i can use ?
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12:49:20	wodz	WTF! how my rockchip device boots at all - it has nice bug in flash routine which puts it into dead loop if requested block is within first flash chip
12:51:03	wodz	SDK driver doesn't have this bug though
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12:53:55	lorenzo92	kugel: hi! after some other considerations, indeed there is something that eats cpu uhm uhm
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12:55:10	lorenzo92	to be sure, we would need to introduce the battery monitoring, voltages from as3543 adc! so then we can do some benchmarkings....
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12:56:34	TheLemonMan	why dont you just rely on the alsa layer to do all the sound related stuff ?
12:57:14	lorenzo92	TheLemonMan: yes, we are doing that. Only volumes are managed directly from as3543
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12:58:07	lorenzo92	but we have still to enable also the various ARM optimizations, perphaps that's the point too
12:58:28	lorenzo92	I just wonder why with SDL cpu usage seemed to be lower...
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13:00:58	TheLemonMan	and alsa has no volume support ?
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13:03:42	lorenzo92	well it's poor implemented by samsung...
13:03:50	lorenzo92	but that's not the problem...
13:04:56	JdGordon	how do i get the modification time from a specific file?
13:05:11	JdGordon	check_bootfile() seems to scan the whole dir which im hoping isnt needed?
13:07:00	kugel	lorenzo92: it's possible that I chose the buffer sizes too tight
13:07:22	JdGordon	is there a way to get a buflib handle by its name?
13:07:28	JdGordon	(from a plugin)
13:07:37	*	JdGordon has a cunning plan!
13:07:45	lorenzo92	kugel: uhm ok...
13:08:23	kugel	lorenzo92: you can try to bump them, they're defined at the top of pcm-alsa.c
13:09:33	kugel	well, bump only buffer_size, period_size shouldn't make a difference
13:09:54	lorenzo92	good. will try that when I'm back ;)
13:09:57	kugel	alternatively you could also try to use the tick task polling mode (just undef USE_ASYNC_CALLBACK)
13:10:12	kugel	JdGordon: no
13:11:09	kugel	TheLemonMan, lorenzo92: it's not samsung. alsa simply doesnt handle volume
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13:11:39	lorenzo92	uhm well yes, throug the alsa mixer! it's available also in device...
13:11:46	lorenzo92	but yeah no matter ;)
13:12:48	wodz	holly shit - the difference between what is in sdk driver and my dump is exactly 1 bit - it must be corrected by BCH engine when it is setup to
13:13:04	kugel	lorenzo92: did experiment with my lcd driver re-write a bit?
13:13:41	JdGordon	What do people think about having the plugin list automatically remove _'s from plugin names?
13:14:04	wodz	I don't like name mangling
13:14:08	wodz	I mean in general
13:14:37	JdGordon	sure, but in the plugin menu, not the generic file browser
13:14:38	lorenzo92	kugel: no time :( will do that this evening ;)
13:14:47	JdGordon	Those underscores suck :)
13:15:06	kugel	not a fan. if we do that we can do it properly and assign pre-compiled real names
13:15:21	kugel	lorenzo92: no hurry :)
13:15:37	JdGordon	kugel: no, because spaces in the filenames are bound to mess something up
13:15:46	TheLemonMan	my device has OSS support and the driver does support volume changing via ioctls
13:16:05	TheLemonMan	so i'm on the safe side, i just need to tell rockbox not to use any codec
13:16:11	kugel	JdGordon: I use them just fine. Anyway, I meant a pre-compiled mapping not changing the filenames
13:16:23	wodz	JdGordon: I think he means assign the field in header for example
13:16:35	*	kugel wonders how spaces in filenames are problematic
13:16:39	JdGordon	that means loading each .rock at least once
13:16:50	lorenzo92	TheLemonMan: uhm OSS. ok. but software volume isn't that nice...
13:17:06	lorenzo92	which codec have you?
13:17:32	lorenzo92	because on R0 I discovered the ioctls to manage the ascodec (registers)
13:17:46	TheLemonMan	err, i guess its the onboard one, freescale branded
13:18:03	kugel	no, I didnt mean to put the name in the header. I meant a { "filename", "Real Name" } style lookup table
13:18:13	JdGordon	eeeewww
13:18:40	JdGordon	3 lines of code to remove the _ and Capitalise the names...
13:19:29	TheLemonMan	the build system is a real mindfuck heh
13:20:16	kugel	TheLemonMan: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PortingApplication if it's any help
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13:20:42	kugel	slightly out of date, though
13:21:47	TheLemonMan	well i already have the base stuff in place
13:22:10	TheLemonMan	i just need to know how should i go for the audio part
13:22:15	lorenzo92	kugel: I have the ioctl codes for the radio at least for scan and get frequency. Could you enable the FM radio menu (in a better way), implementing the source switch of the AScodec? Any idea?
13:22:28	TheLemonMan	as im using an approach that no other platform uses
13:23:48	kugel	lorenzo92: the newer sansas, especially clip zip, also have as3543 audio codec and s470x fm radio. perhaps have a look there
13:29:13	lorenzo92	kugel: yes. in fact, to test the chip from a C program, I needed to use alsamixer to mute playback and enable FM in on the ascodec
13:29:20	lorenzo92	DAC<->LINE IN
13:30:38	kugel	did you hear something?
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13:31:00	lorenzo92	yes ;)
13:31:24	kugel	then it shouldnt be too hard :)
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14:51:52	gbl08ma	hello everyone
14:52:39	gbl08ma	perhaps it's just in front of my eyes (and I haven't done real researching on it), but how do you delete a shortcut from the new shortcuts list, through the GUI?
14:52:54	gbl08ma	that is, without editing the shortcuts file
14:53:16	gbl08ma	I've tried to select and hold the shortcut I want to delete, but no success
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15:00:44	Zagor	gbl08ma: I don't know. the shortcuts feature is so new I haven't even tried it yet
15:00:57	Zagor	JdGordon wrote it
15:01:46	gbl08ma	Well, before Shortcuts were in a main menu entry, they were in a plugin. I thought the feature was interesting, but not practical (because you needed to go to the file browser, launch the shortcuts file, and only then select the shortcut)
15:02:26	gbl08ma	now that they are in the main menu, it's a more interesting feature, but I can't seem to be able to remove and shortcut I add
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15:03:11	gbl08ma	Also, since now shortcuts are able to speak the time and set the sleep timer, it's even more interesting
15:03:23	gbl08ma	I guess I'll have to wait for JdGordon :)
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15:20:25	kugel	isnt there a shortcuts.txt?
15:24:51	TheLemonMan	browsing the rockbox tree gave me goosebumps heh, so much old code mixed with new code
15:28:35	kugel	:)
15:28:45	kugel	hope you overlooked some really horrible parts
15:34:46	TheLemonMan	drivers with hardcoded addresses, that was the best part heh
15:38:51	Torne	that's not really avoidable
15:38:55	Torne	that's how you do hardware :)
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15:45:59	TheLemonMan	the i2c driver is a good example of how to write an extensible driver
15:46:15	TheLemonMan	i even used it outside of rockbox and it gave no problems at all
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15:56:58	wodz	TheLemonMan: Are you talking about software i2c driver? If so it is a) dead simple b) specs are open c) it doesn't need any fancy hw support
15:57:33	wodz	lots of our stuff is based on RE and wild guessing
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16:02:12	TheLemonMan	well yeah, i know, but with a bit of reworking even REd drivers can be fancy
16:02:47	TheLemonMan	and maybe gain even some performance
16:05:24	TheLemonMan	anyway, what is sound_val2phys and tenthdb2master are supposed to do ?
16:09:02	wodz	IIRC tehthdb2master() converts volume in centibels into value expected by the hardware
16:09:23	wodz	sound_val2phys do the reverese
16:11:09	wodz	TheLemonMan: And speaking about hardware drivers - there is little chance the code can be reused later. We try to split midleware and implement only parts close to hardware
16:14:49	wodz	BTW. our sw i2c is quite limited - it doesn't support clock stretching and 10bit address which many hw controllers can do
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16:15:49	TheLemonMan	but you can easily add those functions to it because is modular
16:16:00	wodz	TheLemonMan: anyway you are welcomed to do our drivers more reliable
16:17:52	wodz	TheLemonMan: well writing driver for i2c or spi is 30 minutes of work (tests included). Writing good driver for SD without docs and poor controller documentation can be real challange. And writing driver for some part you are not really sure what it does exactly springs into magic
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16:18:26	TheLemonMan	i'll happily give an hand doing so once i get rockbox running on this player :)
16:20:37	TheLemonMan	anyway, i specified in the config.h that i dont have an rtc alarm but the code still expects the alarm functions
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16:25:55	wodz	TheLemonMan: you should modify traget specific config not global config.h
16:26:34	TheLemonMan	i obiviously meant that config file :)
16:26:56	TheLemonMan	HAVE_RTC_ALARM isnt defined but the alarm app is still being compiled
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16:27:43	[IDC]Dragon	Happy birthday Rockbox!
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16:28:36	[IDC]Dragon	(from me ex developer)
16:29:41	gevaerts	[IDC]Dragon: fix that "ex" bit! ;)
16:30:15	[IDC]Dragon	rockbox is complete
16:31:20	[IDC]Dragon	for my Archos that is, I'm not updating it any more
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16:32:11	Zagor	[IDC]Dragon: wow, long time no see!
16:32:54	kugel	[IDC]Dragon: welcome back! o/
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16:37:35	[IDC]Dragon	do I know JdGordon?
16:37:47	[IDC]Dragon	hi everybody!
16:37:58	*	[IDC]Dragon waves back
16:39:20	TheLemonMan	HAVE_RTC_ALARM gets defined and cant undef it >:
16:41:01	n1s	wouldn't you just have to comment out the line in your target config and make clena?
16:41:04	n1s	clean?
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16:46:04	TheLemonMan	already done many times
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16:49:47	n1s	are you sure you're editiing the correct file?
16:50:07	n1s	as that's the only place it is defined (except for an rtc modded h100)
16:50:49	TheLemonMan	oh, yep, my target config has no mention of rtc at all
16:50:51	n1s	what target is it and how different is the code from svn?
16:52:14	TheLemonMan	its the target i just created and im using the svn version checkouted this morning
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16:53:37	n1s	the easiest way is probably to just post a diff to some pastebin then
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16:55:37	TheLemonMan	err, the diff is pretty big, isnt the config.h just enough ?
16:57:37	n1s	perhaps, i'd think the error would be either in your target config, config.h or the configure script
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16:59:39	TheLemonMan	hrm, it was in the config.h, i forgot to include the config
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17:04:24	pamaury	anyone has an idea about what is this chip: http://amaury.pouly.free.fr/Images/unk_chip.png; my guess would be an i2c eeprom given the other chips on the board but it has a lot of pins :!
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17:15:38	dreamlayers	I'd like to commit FS #12418 soon. Are there any objections to what I'm doing there?
17:15:38	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12418 Merge prototypes from ata-target.h files into one file (patches, new)
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17:18:43	[IDC]Dragon	waves
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17:26:57	n1s	dreamlayers: sounds good to me
17:28:25	wodz	pamaury: It doesn't look like eeprom
17:28:41	wodz	maybe some nor flash?
17:29:02	dreamlayers	nls: thanks
17:29:35	pamaury	wodz: yes I agree, it doesn't look like eeprom, but does it look like nor flash ?
17:29:46	wodz	pamaury: can you distinguish which pins are power lines
17:32:09	TheLemonMan	got rockbox compiled but doesnt run on target
17:32:24	TheLemonMan	and no console output to check, great
17:33:32	wodz	QFN20 isn't very popular either
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17:37:21	pamaury	it could even be a little mcu
17:38:22	pamaury	I'm not sure but given the placement of the chip, 5 of the lines could be gpios to some leds and capacitive buttons; so perhaps it's a mcu or a "touch" controller
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17:44:45	pamaury	ok it doesn't matter, I'm pretty sure it's a touch sensor controller or something like this
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18:07:50	lovasoa	kugel: Does your patch add new features (except CPU debug), or correct bugs? Or is it a simple code rearrangement?
18:27:39	pamaury	hey, that's a funny choice. apparently some mp3 player I have has a nand flash + a sd<->flash bridge; they could have use a flash with sd interface directly
18:28:54	TheLemonMan	kugel: any hint about troubleshooting a rockbox binary that wont start ?
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18:44:25	alienkid10	pamaury: what info do you need? I got rid of the lines again
18:44:35	alienkid10	didn't reboot yet
18:45:26	pamaury	just pastebin the clocsk and voltages, just to see if there is a difference; I'm moreinterested in the value when the problem are there :)
18:45:34	qwertyuiop369	hi!. rockbox for ipod clasic?
18:45:51	alienkid10	pamaury: what screens?
18:46:11	alienkid10	ini HW info
18:46:49	pamaury	first (clocks) and second or third, don't remember; you can't miss the voltage it's written vdd*: x mV
18:47:05	alienkid10	ok
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18:53:24	alienkid10	darn it
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18:53:47	alienkid10	pamaury: it went black right after I finished typing the emi col on screen one
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18:54:23	pamaury	alienkid10: press any key, it's just backlight no ?
18:54:54	alienkid10	not backlight
18:55:04	alienkid10	I turned it and auto off off
18:55:18	alienkid10	but so far nothing looks different now that I've rebooted
18:55:34	alienkid10	everything in page one upto emi=same as with lines
18:56:04	pamaury	can you pastebin the values ?
18:56:33	alienkid10	without lines? Yeah but only for page one
18:56:59	pamaury	why ? For page one, just pastebin the last value (the frequency)
18:57:03	alienkid10	want to me to try and change r again and see if it works to get rid of lines then tell me what to check
18:57:49	pamaury	no, I don't think the values will change
18:58:05	alienkid10	pamaury: becuase reboot brings lines back. I'll try to get rid of lines again
18:58:13	alienkid10	then check more values
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19:02:17	alienkid10	pamaury: computer is updating something I can't do anything right now so will try once done updating
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19:11:46	pamaury	ok
19:11:46	alienkid10	sorry my comp is being stupid
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19:14:14	TheLemonMan	i think my problem is related to dynamic linking
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19:20:28	nplus	Hi, does anyone know if there's a similar patch to this one: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/11042 that works with 3.10? I turn on my MP3 player and normally forget about/put it down and the don't want to come back to a dead battery.
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19:33:53	saratoga	nplus: what do you mean?
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19:37:30	nplus	The linked patch isn't up to date with for 3.10. When I turn on my mp3 player I would like a "inactivity" timer to start - it gets reset every time a button is press (similar to the backlight timer). After X minutes of inactivity turn off the mp3 player
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19:37:41	nplus	saratoga: ^
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19:43:06	saratoga	nplus: not sure i understand, but i think FS #12338 is what you want
19:43:07	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12338 Option to restart running sleep timer on keypress (patches, unconfirmed)
19:43:46	nplus	Thanks I'll take a look at that
19:46:05	nplus	saratoga: That's almost what I want. I'd like the sleep timer to start on boot as well
19:46:25	saratoga	i think it already does
19:46:52	saratoga	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch11.html#x14-16200011
19:47:39	nplus	Oh ok I'm running rockbox 2? so maybe it's changed since back then?
19:47:50	saratoga	huh?
19:51:08	gbl08ma_	nplus: rockbox 2 is ancient, it was released several years ago. are you sure that's what you're using?
19:52:08	nplus	to be honest I have no clue right now
19:52:14	nplus	maybe i'm thinking of 3.2?
19:52:41	nplus	i have r28366
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19:52:57	gevaerts	Ah, neither 2 nor 3.2 then :)
19:53:14	nplus	i'm way to unfamilar with what i'm talking about
19:53:23	nplus	:P
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19:54:40	nplus	the point is it's been well over a year since i've updated rockbox
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19:55:35	nplus	last time i did, i had to apply a patch to get the functionality i wanted so I was trying to find a patch to apply now to so i can update it
19:56:57	nplus	I'm going to try http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12338
19:57:20	saratoga	rockbox 2 was the early 2000s i think
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20:00:18	nplus	Ok I think it's closer to 3.7
20:00:59	nplus	for what it's worth
20:01:25	nplus	I have no clue why I thought i was running 2
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20:01:53	nplus	ls
20:05:22	nplus	thanks for pointing me in the right direction
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20:20:08	CIA-10	New commit by jethead71 (r31180): AS3525v1/v2: ...
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20:22:31	CIA-10	r31180 build result: 36 errors, 0 warnings (jethead71 committed)
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20:24:13	nplus	When updating rockbox, should i delete the old .rockbox or just copy overtop of it?
20:24:43	jhMikeS	oh wtf
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20:25:37	jhMikeS	nplus: just overwrite it
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20:26:07	n1s	nplus: just copy it over
20:26:09	nplus	jhMikeS: thanks
20:28:27	Horscht	I didn't know it was 10 years... I only just read it on heise.de
20:28:29	Horscht	congrats
20:30:21	bertrik	I'm reading in the si470x app note (AN230) that for best performance, the channel spacing should be chosen to match the actual station spacing. The RDA5802 always uses a spacing of 50 kHz, I wonder if performance can be increased for this tuner by using a more appropriate channel spacing. Worth a try at least
20:31:15	bertrik	The RDA5802 is suspiciously similar to the SI4702, except the register map seems to be different
20:31:26	n1s	performance as in audio quality or scan speed or what?
20:32:27	bertrik	audio quality
20:32:41	n1s	ah
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20:34:25	alienkid10	pamaury: besides page one what was the other one?
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20:43:14	jhMikeS	10 years was on Pearl Harbor Day? Hmmm....
20:44:34	alienkid10	pamaury: here is paste it has one month expiration but I have values in txt file if needed
20:44:43	alienkid10	pamaury: http://pastebin.com/eU9TK8KF
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21:04:34	funman	dreamlayers: could you try gcc 4.6 ?
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21:05:49	CIA-10	New commit by jethead71 (r31181): Fix sim errors in r31180.
21:06:52	jhMikeS	I tried weak references in the codecs for when codecs don't need a main entrypoint on load but had to abandon it because of mingw
21:08:15	CIA-10	r31181 build result: All green
21:10:49	dreamlayers	funman: What do you want me to do with gcc 4.6?
21:10:56	jhMikeS	er, um, cygwin, whatever pondlife was doing
21:14:21	dreamlayers	So, I need a Cygwin to MinGW gcc 4.6 cross-compiler. I guess I'll have to compile it myself?
21:16:31	funman	dreamlayers: try weakref
21:16:43	funman	and tdm-gcc should have gcc 4.6 prepackaged
21:20:32	dreamlayers	TDM-GCC seems to be a MinGW compiler, and I'd need a Cygwin to MinGW cross-compiler.
21:20:58	funman	i don't understand
21:21:18	funman	it runs on windows so what's the problem?
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21:22:35	dreamlayers	If the build runs in Cygwin and calls a MinGW compiler, then the compiler won't understand the Cygwin paths.
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21:23:14	funman	jhMikeS: re 31180, what do you think of a config-ams.h included by all ams models?
21:23:17	dreamlayers	I don't think it's possible to build Rockbox from MinGW. There are some patches in the tracker but they didn't get accepted.
21:23:23	TheLemonMan	lorenzo92: mind if i pm you ?
21:23:34	lorenzo92	go ;)
21:23:36	funman	dreamlayers: i build it with mingw (on linux)
21:25:18	dreamlayers	funman: You want me to try it in Windows, from within Cygwin, right?
21:25:58	funman	well any setup will work, as long as you confirm weakref works
21:26:24	funman	not sure igf tdm-gcc comes with a shell
21:29:06	jhMikeS	funman: might be a good idea
21:30:16	jhMikeS	probably for more than just AMS models too, some sort of SoC-related config, define the exception by model if any
21:30:40	dreamlayers	funman: I can install a MinGW-w64 4.6.0 cross-compiler in Linux. Is that ok to for this test?
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21:35:04	funman	yep
21:35:09	funman	but i tested it already
21:36:14	funman	i just want to know what fixes sim build for you :) using weakref worked for me, so i supposed you needed to upgrade your gcc if it didn't work for you
21:42:27	jhMikeS	sansa clip looks like it needs to boost more aggressively when recording (get warning 00000001 far too easily)
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21:45:38	funman	do you have other amsv1 ?
21:47:06	jhMikeS	nope
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21:47:35	jhMikeS	it ought to have more than enough power to do 44kHz mp3
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21:49:04	funman	perhaps it's because it doesn't use DMA anymore?
21:49:35	jhMikeS	much slower chips manage
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21:51:37	jhMikeS	maybe I should just test with boost on all the time
21:54:44	jhMikeS	now 44kHz is running the hardware at 88kHz to get the true 44kHz signal, where before it was running it at 44kHz, getting doubled-up 22kHz
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21:58:48	jhMikeS	running it boosted all the time works...but, only 16 pcm chunks exist
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22:02:46	jhMikeS	hmmm, available PCM data can never be enough to trigger the boost
22:03:02	jhMikeS	it's set a 1s but the buffer is only ~.75s
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22:23:55	CIA-10	New commit by dreamlayers (r31182): FS #12418 - Merge prototypes from ata-target.h files into new file ata-driver.h. After this change: ...
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22:25:57	CIA-10	r31182 build result: All green
22:30:24	dreamlayers	funman: I'll try to compile a gcc 4.6.2 cygwin to mingw cross-compiler in windows tonight
22:30:41	CIA-10	New commit by jethead71 (r31183): Add a second boost condition to the recording PCM buffer to boost the CPU when 75% full or more. This is especially important for small memory when ...
22:31:48	dreamlayers	Is there any interest in being able to build from within mingw? FS #10021 FS #10437
22:31:49	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10021 Patch to build Rockbox firmware by using MinGW. (patches, unconfirmed)
22:31:49	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10437 Build failure the uisimulator using MinGW. (bugs, unconfirmed)
22:32:20	CIA-10	r31183 build result: All green
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22:33:16	jhMikeS	the clip seems to record 48kHz wavpack just fine now, which is the most cpu-intensive compressor
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22:37:05	*	jhMikeS wonders why PCM error flags should be in pcm.h and not pcm_record.h because they're not part of general pcm, but of the core recording system
22:40:00	jhMikeS	hmmm...Zagor done it
22:42:19	jhMikeS	PCMREC_* should go in pcm_record.h, and leave DMA_REC_ERROR_* in pcm.h where he put them
22:45:55	CIA-10	New commit by jethead71 (r31184): Move the PCMREC_E/W_* defines back to pcm_record.h because they're part of the recording engine interface. Leave the low-level DMA error defines in ...
22:46:44	lorenzo92	kugel: putting 32 instead of 16 as the coeff for the buffer_size seem to fix the problem for the CPU
22:48:29	CIA-10	r31184 build result: All green
22:48:38	kugel	lorenzo92: cool
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22:49:41	lorenzo92	kugel: more or less 70% of cpu load while decoding an mp3
22:49:47	lorenzo92	@ 200 mhz
22:49:54	kugel	can you still compare against the non-USE_ASYNC_CALLBACK? I'm really unsure which mode is better for the cpu
22:50:24	lorenzo92	need to comment out USE_ASYNC_CALLBACK?
22:51:25	kugel	yea
22:51:36	TheLemonMan	kugel: any idea about why it doesnt give any sign of life here ?
22:52:08	kugel	lorenzo92: don't give too much on the CPU load there. it includes many other factors than just music playback, like drawing the UI
22:52:43	lorenzo92	kugel: oh yes sure indeed ;)
22:52:50	lorenzo92	was to compare ...
22:55:02	lorenzo92	kugel: okay now running NON async thing :D
22:55:12	lorenzo92	will inform you soon
22:55:49	lorenzo92	kugel: definitely buggy. now playback stopped for no reason
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22:58:14	lorenzo92	kugel: in the cpu debug screen would be nice also to see the cpu frequency
22:58:27	lorenzo92	it's a linux feature, so should be okay
22:59:12	fml	JdGordon: Hello! You have again "broken" the description of the shortcuts. You've used the "what is it" form, but the paragraph has the form "With a shortcut, " and then "this and that can be done". I can't correct that right now. Could you?
22:59:16	CIA-10	New commit by bluebrother (r31185): Various adjustments for MSVC. ...
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23:00:18	fml	JdGordon: Also, the closing quotation marks are wrong. They should be typed as '' (a single apostroph two times) and not as ``.
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23:02:38	lorenzo92	kugel: re-tested NON async cb, now I got also a player crash. Definitely not the right way ;)
23:03:52	pixelma	fml: don't scare JdGordon away from doing any work on the manual at all ;)
23:04:26	fml	pixelma: :-) But seriously, it's not quite right as of now.
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23:23:46	JdGordon	fml: (ah damit too slow) wont be able to fix it till tommroow night, sorry
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23:28:05	JdGordon	how easy is it to make generic talk clips?
23:28:45	kugelp	lorenzo92: governor stats should be easy to add
23:29:44	lorenzo92	yes it's just reading a file...anyway you need to place 32 instead of 16 and the cpu load seem normal now hehe
23:29:46	JdGordon	trying to figure out how to make the shortcuts menu talk, do i spell each line? or try using the filename voiceclips systme to all the user to provide clips for each line?
23:30:02	kugelp	the non async mode works on my laptop and is actually supposed to be safer
23:30:23	lorenzo92	kugelp: uhm safer...uhm...it only crashes :(
23:30:26	wodz	honestly it sounds funny that decoding mp3 takes 70% of arm @200 MHz
23:31:54	B4gder	download.rockbox.org sends ~340GB an average month to 30000-45000 unique visitors/month
23:32:35	JdGordon	total? or just the haxx mirror?
23:32:37	B4gder	in november 2011, the most popular target download was sansaclipplus with 8600 downloads
23:32:41	B4gder	in total
23:32:46	bluebrother^	quite impressive
23:32:47	B4gder	we have no mirrors atm
23:32:57	*	JdGordon smells a blog post coming :)
23:33:03	alexbobp	go sansa clip plus!
23:33:11	B4gder	yeah, I should sum it up...
23:33:17	gevaerts	B4gder: was there a stable target without downloads?
23:33:27	B4gder	the fonts package: 24500 downloads ...
23:34:12	bluebrother^	B4gder: do we have the user agent for those downloads? I'd be interested in seeing how much downloads had been done using Rockbox Utility :)
23:34:28	lorenzo92	wodz: yes strange indeed. I'm not expert at all in these things, but you need to consider that ARM optimizations aren't enabled yet
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23:34:39	lorenzo92	but shouldn't use 70% anyway uhm uhm
23:34:43	B4gder	bluebrother^: the silly stats program we have puts them in the "unknown" category
23:35:07	B4gder	42% downloads from unknown browsers
23:35:13	funman	B4gder: iiuc http://downloads.videolan.org/pub/rockbox/ should mirror automatically
23:35:17	bluebrother^	hmm, that's less than I expected.
23:35:23	B4gder	270000 "hits"
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23:35:58	B4gder	funman: yes, its just that we currently only point download.rockbox.org to the haxx server
23:37:20	B4gder	gevaerts: I don't know, and I found there's a problem with the stats right now so I can't easily find out right now
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23:38:47	B4gder	as a comparison www.rockbox.org had 124000 unique visitors during November
23:40:06	*	bluebrother^ considers giving the LZMA / xz SDK a look
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23:49:27	bertrik	funny how such a small an inexpensive player as the sansa clip plus turns out to be the most popular :)
23:51:19	dfkt	it still being in production might help as well :)
23:53:33	alexbobp	bertrik: well by being small and inexpensive (and with total crap for the stock firmware), it has the most to gain from rockbox
23:53:47	alexbobp	you can drop $50 and you have a fully capable rockbox that takes microsd cards
23:55:38	dfkt	not to mention this cheapest of all rockboxable players probably has the most solid audio performance
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