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#rockbox log for 2011-12-12

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00:13:48pamaurysaratoga: funman: the imx uses the normal mmu with icache so if there is generic flushing code I can't do better
00:20:15saratogaok then its probably not cache related
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00:21:48pamauryhum, I'm fighting against LD but currently I'm loosing :('
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00:38:50saratogathe fuze+ codec loading problem depending on dircache and/or the database state is just weird
00:39:21saratogatrack changes do query both dircache the database (for metadata if its available) but i'm not sure how that would be broken for just one target
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02:31:24cmlazgarhey guys, i have an iPod Mini 2G, i use it for my band to play a click for our drummer and play tracks. I'm wondering if there is a way to get my iPod to send out the name of the song title over the built in ttl serial? I know this is a hefty request but I'm wondering if it is even feasable
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02:45:20JdGordoncmlazgar: should be possible sure, if you have the knowhow
02:45:31JdGordonor just use the ipod accessory protocol
02:45:50cmlazgarisnt that the ipods serial com?
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02:50:08cmlazgarokay ill look into it thanks
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04:02:07chkktri_amybody here have problems with database?
04:03:01chkktri_mine breaks each time after i add something to SD card
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04:09:48saratoga_the database has a lot of trouble with even minor file system corruption, so i would check the sd card for any errors
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04:49:58Mad_MaxHi, I was wondering if there was some sort of nightly build for the iPod Classic?
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04:51:00saratoga_Mad_Max: yes, all targets are rebuilt everytime there is a change to SVN (many times a day)
04:51:45Mad_Maxsaratoga_: This may be a stupid question, but where can I download the nightly builds?
04:51:54saratoga_let me see where the link is
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06:49:35psychohistoryCan someone please elaborate on the "stability and power consumption" issues Rockbox encounters on the iPod classic? I'm referring to this page: . Thanks!
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10:50:36wodzDo we have a place to collect handy patches for various programs? I found out simple oneliner which fixes asm view in gdb tui when debugging without symbols. Very handy when doing RE
10:54:23Zagorwodz: the wiki sounds like a good place
10:54:45wodzsure, but I thought we have something already
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10:58:57Zagorall we have is the gcc/ subdir on the webpage to download patches for the cross-compiler build.
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11:44:25CIA-1New commit by nick_p (r31214): Manual: Clarification of cuesheet file name and location
11:45:44JdGordonmore troublemakers!?
11:45:54JdGordonnick-p: how'd that wps patch go?
11:46:18CIA-1r31214 build result: All green
11:46:25nick-pJdGordon: What I tested went fine
11:47:09JdGordonhave you done the customary first commit of adding yourself to COMMITERS?
11:48:07nick-pNo, it didn't occur to me, a tweak to the manual was the simplest I could think of!
11:48:29JdGordonwell off you go then!
11:48:36kugelnick-p: o/
11:48:45kugelalthough you failed your first commit :)
11:49:11nick-pI had a feeling I screw up somehow!
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11:52:54CIA-1New commit by nick_p (r31215): Belatedly adding myself to COMMITTERS
11:54:28CIA-1r31215 build result: All green
12:05:20nick-pJdGordon: I saw your last comment on FS #12237, but I'd done enough testing at that point to get bored with it. Hopefully skyfish from the forum will pick up the baton.
12:05:20fs-bluebot WPS/FMS string space bug introduced by r30302 (bugs, unconfirmed)
12:05:57JdGordonbluebrother: ping?
12:06:12JdGordonnick-p: im busy at but if you want to commit the fix go ahead
12:06:20JdGordon(and commit it to the 3.9 branch also)
12:06:25JdGordonerr 3.10
12:06:53wodznick-p: COMMITERS file is alphabetically sorted :-)
12:07:39nick-pwodz: Oh noes! I'll get on it
12:08:17nick-pJdGordon: I think this might be an omen that I shouldn't be committing anything too serious yet
12:11:31CIA-1New commit by nick_p (r31216): Belatedly adding myself to COMMITTERS in alphabetical order
12:13:16CIA-1r31216 build result: All green
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12:24:51bluebrotherJdGordon: pong
12:25:35JdGordonbluebrother: hey, Would it be possible to get some shortcut support in rbutil? at least have it generate the .talk files?
12:25:50JdGordonor.. whats the magic to create talk files manually?
12:26:10bluebrotherI don't see a reason why that shouldn't bepossible
12:28:05bluebrotherwell, create a file eith the desired text as filename, then let Rockbox Utility vreate a talk clip for it and move to whatever location you need it :)
12:29:41JdGordonthe options at the top of tools/ didnt work too well
12:29:59bluebrotherbtw, myconnection is currently rather flaky and likely to drop soon
12:29:59JdGordonand I've just noticed there is also a there.. why both?
12:30:27bluebrotherdon't know about sorry
12:30:54bluebrotherand Rockbox Utility doesn't use either
12:31:55bluebrotherit only uses the same correction strings, and those are applied to voicefiles only right now
12:37:34JdGordonas you sem to like c++, can I leave the request with you? :)
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15:01:48ilfjust put rockbox on my clip+ and started doom. the visuals are so distorted i can't see the menu. how to exit?
15:02:40ilfdid it: power, up, select, up, select.
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15:14:00ilfhow do i uninstall doom? just delete the folder?
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16:04:40kkitilf, you don't "uninstall" it. just ignore it. since it's a plugin, it'll just show up again every time you update your build.
16:05:04kkityou could remove the WADs to reclaim the disk space, though.
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17:25:32CIA-1New commit by alle (r31217): Manual: Minor typesetting fixes
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17:27:25CIA-1r31217 build result: All green
17:28:15lorenzo92kugel: with my patch to view the current cpu frequency in the debug menu, while playing a song, if I hold the up/down key after not much cpu speed goes to 532 it really so much consuming the menu scrolling?
17:28:38lorenzo92otherwise it stays very often at 200 mhz ;)
17:31:17lorenzo92maybe there is still something tough either in the framebuffer interface or in alsa or somewhere else....
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17:42:47ilfkkit: can i remove the entire "doom" folder?
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18:30:48clip_v2hello guys, i'm after a failed installation of rockbox over my clipv2. (player is not powering on). before i take it apart to "unbrick it", i would like to hear you're opinion
18:32:06gevaertsHave you tried hard-resetting it by holding the power button for 30 seconds or so?
18:32:48clip_v2i did for less, i'll try for longer
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18:36:47clip_v2gevaerts: hard reset hasn't done the trick (nothing happend)
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18:41:31gevaertsI don't know then. Maybe someone else can give some more hints though
18:42:08funmanwait for the battery to empty and plug it on a charger. you can hear if it's powered on by plugging headphones and moving the jack connector, you'll hear cracks
18:44:32clip_v2funman: wierd, there aren't any cracks.
18:47:06funmantry plugging it then. the clip might still be powered on but with audio output turned off though
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18:53:51clip_v2funman: plugging it to both computer and a charger, hasn't done the trick
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18:54:57urzhello. I'm trying to install rockbox on a sansa fuze. However, its a gift, and i cut only enough packaging in order to get it plugged in so that I could flash it
18:55:10urzThe problem is that I suppose I cannot be sure if its v1 or v2 fuze
18:55:21urzthe dial is as yet inaccessible
18:55:30urzso i cant navigate menues veyr easily
18:55:38urzor even power it off very easily
18:56:01urzWhat would happen if I simply guessed v2 and went through the installer?
18:56:09urzand it turned out to be v1 ?
18:56:20funmanclip_v2: wait a few days to be sure then, no other way to be sure
18:56:32Torneurz: the installer should detect which kind it is
18:56:52urzi thought the installer was asking me to identify it
18:56:56Torneif you force it to try and install the wrong one it just won't do anything, as far as i know; it won't accept the bootloader from the wrong model
18:57:33Torneit does, but it has a button to autodetect
18:57:43urzoh let me try again
18:57:52Torneunless i'm remembering wrong and it can't tell the difference, but i thought they had different usb ids
18:58:36urzautodetect says Sansa Fuze V2 in MTP mode found!
18:58:44urzYou need to change your player to MSC mode for installation. Until you change this installation will fail!
18:59:00TorneYes. SO you'll need to press the buttons anyway
18:59:17urzwhats msc?
18:59:25funmanmass storage
18:59:34funmani.e. "normal"
18:59:50urzoh, its in MTP, and i want MSC
19:01:10urzi guess i probably need to remove it entirely from the packaging?
19:01:23Tornei have no idea what the packaging looks like
19:01:33Torneyou will need to be able to operate the directional pad :)
19:01:41clip_v2funman: so you advice me to wait for the battery drain (maybe). And then go through ?
19:02:02urzi can operate the buttons, but not the spin dial
19:02:08urzand probably not the power button
19:02:20urzis that enough you think? heh
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19:02:52Torne..why don't you just try?
19:02:59urzi think the d-pad is the ff, rw, play/pause, and menu buttons
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19:03:12Tornei don't recall what controls the original firmware in the fuze uses :)
19:03:17urztheres also a home button i can get
19:03:19Torneyou're the one with it in front of you; just try it
19:03:27urzyeah i bet im gonna need the dial
19:03:31urzyeah okay
19:06:12funmanclip_v2: i advice you to wait.
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19:06:58funmanclip_v2: i think it's not possible to brick an AMSv2 except if you try it really hard by modifying the mkamsboot code
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19:07:13funmanbut we had a lot of reports of clipv2 installation failing
19:08:01funmanotoh we never had reports of *unmodified* OF upgrades, but people doing that are unlikely to hang around rockbox channels
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19:08:31funman*unmodified* OF upgrades which fail to perform correctly i mean
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19:09:24clip_v2funman: its just frustrating. i did a normal installation .. at some part (i think at theme selection) the wizard stop responding, few seconds later it opened anothe theme selection window
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19:10:06funman is a howto unbrick for clipv2 if you decide to do it anyway
19:10:35funmanclip_v2: shouldn't be a problem if rockbox utility is buggy
19:10:50funmanthe update is only made when the OF upgrade file is on the player and you unplug it
19:10:59clip_v2oh ok
19:11:12funmandid you see the "firmware upgrade in progress" screen on the clip?
19:11:34clip_v2yup, few seconds later, it turned off and "died"
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19:14:50clip_v2funman: So basically you suggest me to wait / follow the general stuff on sadisk's forum.
19:15:05clip_v2not "unbricking" it for now
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19:21:21funmanyes just put it somewhere, forget it for a week or so and plug it again
19:25:10clip_v2Very frustrating :\. Thank you for your time :)
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19:29:06orzo okay, i'm at the bootloader download step. I went to the SansaAMS wiki, and see links to "original firmware" and "bootloader" and "normal rockbox build". I think the normal rockbox build will be downloaded automatically if it needs it.Now I'm at "Bootloader Installation" according to the rockbox utility, but it says to download "Original Sandisk firmware (bin file)" ... so its not clear if i
19:29:12orzowant the bootloader link or the OF link
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19:47:04lebelliumdid anyone also experience flac playback issues on Clip Zip with r31213?
19:47:37lebelliummore precisely stereo channel swap
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19:54:29orzoheh. it said firmware upgrade in progress, then it said it was completed, then it went dead
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19:58:19orzoi plugged it and unplugged it and it came back alive, but it looks like sansa firmware
20:08:45*gevaerts looks arond for a Bagder or a Zagor
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20:09:23BagderI'll be here "for real" in ~2 hours
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20:29:52kugelpTorne: ping
20:31:05kugelpdo you (or anyone else) how codesourcery toolchain manages to emit only glibc 2.4 symbols in my build
20:31:22Tornenot sure what you mean
20:31:44kugelpwhile a self-compiled (with ct-ng) emits an extra 2.7 and 2.11 symbol
20:32:27kugelpthat renders rockbox unable to start with the 2.5 glibc on the device
20:33:17kugelpthe glibc that comes with code sorcery is v2.11
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20:36:08kugelpis there perhaps some magic linker or configure switch
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20:41:36Tornehm, not sure
20:43:58Tornei've rarely been in an environment where glibc versioning was a thing
20:44:02kugelthe symbols are __longjmp_chk@@GLIBC_2.11 and __open_2@@GLIBC_2.7 btw
20:44:16Torneand where i have, i've generally been using matching versions
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21:02:40wodzAny prospected date for git switch?
21:11:00GodEater"any day now"
21:12:00gevaertsSoon after the 3.10 release :)
21:12:24CIA-1New commit by jethead71 (r31218): Deal with a complication when transferring recording method from PP5024: since the FIFO POP is always read until empty, keep track of sample parity ...
21:14:04CIA-1r31218 build result: All green
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21:16:48maalHi all, first thanks a lot for rockbox and happy birthday :)
21:18:05maalHow should I modify dualboot.S to boot rockbox on fusev2 when plugged into usb ? (i want to fusev2 it the car)
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21:25:16*bluebrother wonders if that guy on the users ML did reformat the nano2g or properly convert it to a Winpod
21:25:34*bluebrother wonders what on earth the fusev2 is.
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21:26:50gevaertsbertrik: I suspect the former
21:27:06maalsorry fusev2 should be : fuze v2
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21:31:03bluebrotherthat model really must have been the most misspelt one
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21:32:50funmanmaal: isn't there a car mode? (not sure what it does exactly anyway)
21:33:16gevaertsfunman: car mode doesn't help with the bootloader
21:34:31bluebrotherexcept maybe the beast but that's a pun :)
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21:41:42maalThanks a lot. Will I be able to boot OF with button pressed after this patch ?
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21:44:08funmani am testing ipod nano2g driver on my clip zip
21:44:14funmanusb driver
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21:56:13maalfunman: thanks once again - worked perfectly.
21:56:56pamaurywodz: ping
21:57:16bertrikfunman, any luck yet with that driver?
21:57:49bertrikI think I saw some positive reports after the alignment / buffer size fix
22:05:05wodzpamaury: gnip
22:05:42funmanbertrik: [ 8838.964185] hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
22:05:53funmanbertrik: doesn't seem to work out of the box
22:06:50pamauryfunman: you need to include some clocks settin too
22:08:48pamaurywodz: I'm trying to implement symbols for your backtracer, I'm currently puzzled, I see two ways of doing it: 1) build a map using and include it in the binary 2) include the .symtab and .strtab section in the final binary and use them. However 1) is problematic because you don't know the size of the map in advance you either you link twice or you reserve some space and 2) is problematic because I can't make the linker script
22:08:48pamauryinclude those damn sections !
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22:09:45wodzpamaury: I am sure you will manage :-)
22:09:59funmanpamaury: which ones?
22:10:44pamauryfunman: basically you need to copy as3525v2_connect()
22:11:00pamauryand boost cpu I think
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22:12:51pamaurywodz: I really can't, I don't know why, it seems the linker considers .symtab and .strtab as special
22:16:28funmani copied as3525v2_connect but didn't add boost cpu
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22:18:36pamauryI'm not sure if cpu_boost is necessary
22:18:55wodzpamaury: you mean ld or objcpy ?
22:19:13pamaurywodz: both
22:19:33pamaurythere both prevent me from doing anything which touches symtab and strtab
22:20:11pamauryfunman: there might be other differences in the fifo setup using GRXFSIZ and GNPTXFSIZ
22:20:57pamauryfunman: and you will need to use the physical address here and there
22:21:18pamauryusing AS3525_UNCACHED_ADDR
22:23:04wodzpamaury: so you say objcopy -j doesn't work, right?
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22:26:15pamaurywodz: not if I do elf->binary
22:26:38funmanpamaury: fifo size seems the same
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22:28:08pamaurywodz: and I can't use objcopy on symtab for elf->elf, it's ignore because symbols are related to .text and others
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22:43:49funmanpamaury: ah there is no cpu boosting at all on amsv2 anyway
22:45:49wodzpamaury: wild idea - have you tried to create KEEP section?
22:54:36orzodoes sansa fuze have a real time clock?
22:54:42orzoi know my e200 does not
22:55:19funmanyes it does
22:56:59pamaurywodz: I'll try
22:58:17orzowhy does my e200 do Committing database 1/9 every time it starts now?
23:04:21kugelTorne: hah
23:04:38kugelI guess code sourcery passes that by default
23:05:06Tornefortify is a build time option, no?
23:05:09kugelwith _FORTIFY_SOURCE it appears wrappers may get generated
23:05:11rarogwhich file in folder firmware is for normal initialization of rockbox? rolo.c is only the soft reboot.
23:05:12Tornei mean, compile time build
23:05:16Tornetoolchain build time
23:05:29kugelTorne: doesnt look like
23:05:41Torneno, i mean; their toolchain probably doesn't have it built in
23:07:32kugelwe also pass it in
23:08:03Torneisn't toolchain building fun
23:08:31gevaertsrarog: none, really. Boot starts with crt0.S but that doesn't do a lot. After that control goes to main() in apps/, which calls various init functions in firmware/
23:12:58pamaurywodz: KEEP doesn't work either
23:13:31bertrikfunman, indeed I think we can make a clipzip bootloader now
23:13:50bertrikso the clip zip can be installed from rbutil
23:14:01raroghm.... I'm trying find the difference between normal boot and rolo. as the rolo fixes a lcd problem with fuze+, so there seems to be a significant difference, a command or some commands, which reset the lcd voltage/whatever alse.
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23:22:30funmanbertrik: pamaury:
23:23:21pamauryfunman: does it work ?
23:23:43funman[ 440.452195] usb 1-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110
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23:27:53pamauryrarog: there is no difference when doing a rolo, the only difference I can imagine come from the fact that you plug usb, so it might be an automatic hardware setup like the one for some power rail and dc converter in the chip
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23:28:25pamauryfunman: it doesn't help :( I've not touched the code in a long time. Do you have a sd card inserted ?
23:29:26rarogpamaury: ah, so you think it's just some hardcoded procedure
23:30:59pamaurythere is no software difference, the init sequence is the same, so I can't see what would be different
23:31:31funmanpamaury: yes
23:32:22funmanlet me make sure that i have the right rockbox version on the zip, prior i had forgotten to rename the usb interrupt
23:32:55pamauryI always found the usb-s3c6400x not really easy to follow, you might be missing some init bits
23:35:14funmanyes also most register bits are not documented
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23:36:11pamauryyet the as3525v2-usb-drv more or less works, even though something seems to be missing too
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23:36:36funmandid someone test as3525v2-usb on nano2g ?
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23:37:14pamaurydon't think so
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23:42:28rarogpamaury: but until the rolo is done, the CRT effect remains so only the rolo triggers the fix.
23:42:49pamaurydid you try to rolo without plugging usb ?
23:43:26pamauryrarog: ^
23:45:03rarogwhere can I enforce it?
23:45:25pamauryin the file browser, go into .rockbox and select rockbox.sansa
23:46:19pamauryand what if you plug usb but don't rolo ?
23:46:59rarogif I don't rolo, CRT effect remains.
23:47:40rarogIs there a setting for showing hidden files?
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23:48:06rarogfound it
23:48:36rarogok, rolo without usb plugging fixes it o_O
23:48:57rarogso it's indeed some rolo thing.
23:52:59pamauryhum, weird
23:53:55pamaurythanks, I will investigate this
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23:55:31rarogthx for your idea and help, without it I couldn't have tested this. :D

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