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#rockbox log for 2011-12-27

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00:15:05nosa-jis the sensa fuse better than the clip?
00:15:52funmanit's not sensa but sansa, it's not fuse but fuze, and it's not better it's different
00:17:39nosa-ji apologize
00:18:22funmanthey have the same features except the fuze has a scrollwheel adn a color display
00:18:37funmanclipv1 also has less RAM (2MB vs 8)
00:19:16dfktfuze has no dedicated volume buttons :/
00:19:27nosa-jah there both pretty much the same age?
00:20:00nosa-jpertaining to newer models i mean
00:20:41nosa-jthe screen size and full color on the fuze would make it a nicer option... hmm
00:21:32nosa-jdfkt: so the scroll wheel is used for navagating menus and volume?
00:23:32nosa-jmost of the other players are close to $100 which i can't afford atm
00:24:08nosa-jthough i haven't been researching alot of them
00:31:34nosa-jthats a weird connecter for usb on the fuze
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00:39:45CIA-88New commit by funman (r31449): file properties: display correctly file/folder sizes > 2GB ...
00:41:50CIA-88r31449 build result: All green
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00:42:09nosa-jhmm the clip is the same price as the fuze but is on sale
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00:51:31timporterAnybody here that can advise on installing RB onto a Sansa Clip Zip?
00:53:09funmantimporter: check anythingbutipod forums
00:53:14funmantimporter: hm no
00:53:53funmanbut get mkamsboot from funman/mkamsboot-1.5/"> (important!!)
00:54:22timporterfunman: aah. wrong mkamsboot. That makes sense
01:01:20funmansaratoga: mkamsboot 1.5 binaries sent to badger
01:12:37CIA-88New commit by funman (r31450): ucl: make it possible to specify additional CFLAGS ...
01:13:29timportertried mkamsboot 1.5 from that link, and the boot loader from page 8 on
01:14:15funmantimporter: use the instructions on the wiki that i gave you
01:14:26funmanif you use anythingbutipod instructions you don't need mkamsboot
01:14:38timporterfunman: I did, but I got a bad CPU error. running through terminal on a mac
01:14:39CIA-88r31450 build result: All green
01:14:46funmanpowerpc ?
01:14:57funmani couldn't make a powerpc binary, only intel
01:15:03timporteryeah. I can switch to an Intel comp
01:15:05timporterI'll try that
01:18:51funmanapple doesn't support PPC anymore
01:19:00funmanand they removed PPC compilers from their last developer tools
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01:49:13nosa-jcan't decided on eather the clip zip or the fuze. best buy olny sells fuze+'s and there not suported right? or do i just need a manual install? ive noticed it olny needs installer support to be fixed
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01:50:17timporterfunman: up and running using the forum directions. Many thanks!
02:05:29funmannosa-j: fuze+ is in progress
02:06:04nosa-ji was looking to buy it
02:06:21nosa-jthanks for all the info
02:07:00nosa-jits just the rockbox installer though so its pretty decent?
02:07:13nosa-jii should just go get the original fuze
02:07:32nosa-ji can find it online but its olny 2 colors which still isn't bad
02:08:11funmannosa-j: fuze+ support in the installer was committed today so i guess it works
02:09:36nosa-jthats cool
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07:05:39webguest93anyone know if release 3.10 fixed usb mode in sansa fuze v2
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12:03:09JdGordonkugel: why is checking dir a is a subdir of any already checked complicated?
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12:16:07[Saint]JdGordon: he did make a comment about leaving the patch up there to hopefully get you thinking about your database manager ui thing :)
12:16:16[Saint]Did it work? :)
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12:31:03fmlJdGordon_: Hello. Can you comment on this?
12:31:39LalufuI'm confused. accorting to firmware/export/config/ipodmini2g.h, HAVE_TAGCACHE is defined. But when including apps/tagcache.h it seems to be gone, and I do not see where it has gotten to.
12:33:14n1sLalufu: what are you trying to do?
12:33:17nick_pfml: I can, setting the value to 0 in the config file wouldn't make much sense, it would just disable the sleep timer
12:33:35Lalufun1s: trying to access the tagcache
12:34:05n1sLalufu: from where? it is enabled on ipod mini
12:34:17nick_pfml: btw, sorry I was a bit distracted yesterday, was trying to have two conversations at once :)
12:35:10Lalufun1s: I'm working on IAP, and I need the tagcache (specifically tagcache_search()) for some features.
12:35:26LalufuI have not found docs on how to use it, so I might be doing it wrong.
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12:35:49n1sLalufu: there probably are no docs
12:35:50fmlnick_p: In the screen where the setting is set, 0 is allowed (and is formatted as "off")
12:35:59nick_pfml: 0/Off is in the menu option because it always was/ in case you started a timer & want to cancel it - bit messy
12:36:23nick_pit has a dual purpose in the menu, setting the default & starting the timer
12:36:39fmlnick_p: But why is 0 not in the setting declaration?
12:36:43n1sLalufu: if the #define is missing you might need to include config.h before tagcache.h
12:36:45fmlIt's a mismatch IMO
12:36:52Lalufun1s: ah.
12:36:59LalufuI think that might be it.
12:37:02nick_pfml: because it makes no sense in the setting context
12:37:34nick_pfml: I wanted to split setting the default & starting the timer but there were objections
12:37:51Lalufun1s: thanks, works.
12:39:07nick_pfml: were you also suggesting the setting value should be in seconds yesterday, or did I misunderstand?
12:40:06fmlYes, I was. I'm not sure it's a very good idea anymore since app and firmare layers must not necessarily use the same unit.
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12:41:11fmlHrm... There are two sleep timer formatters: one in settings_list and another in the menu
12:41:45fmlWhy do we need a formatter in the settings? Why not just write out an integer value?
12:41:58nick_pfml: give me 5 mins, I'm on a laptop I need to switch rooms and turn on another computer...
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12:45:54nick_pfml: ok, the formatter is just to turn mins into h:mm to present to the user
12:46:29fmlnick_p: Which of the two do you mean? Menu?
12:47:07nick_pfml: Yes, where's the other one?
12:48:37nick_pfml: sorry, i see it now, my irc logs are disjointed, hang on...
12:51:15nick_pfml: OK, I remeber now, the one in settings_menu.c is something kugel added, he wanted the menu item to change to cancel (h:mm) when the sleep timer was active
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12:52:08fmlnick_p: That I understand. But then why do we need the one in settings?
12:53:23nick_pfml: I think that's the default callback for the values, rather than the item title
12:54:21nick_pfml: Here's the last version of my code, quite a bit simpler:
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12:55:40fmlnick_p: IMO we don't need a formatter in the settings because now the setting is set by an explicit call to set_int, and there a formatter is specified
12:55:43JdGordonfml: i know nothing about that setting
12:56:37fmlJdGordon: Hey! It's the sleep timer duration setting which has two identical formatters: one in the setting_list and another in the menu for that setting.
12:56:39nick_pfml: have you tried taking it out?
12:56:48fmlnick_p: Not yet.
12:57:33fmlJdGordon: Do I understand it correctly that an int setting needs a formatter if the setting is set (in the GUI) in the standard and generic way?
12:57:39nick_pfml: quite a lot was added to my code before it was commited, I lost track a bit
12:57:50fmlJdGordon: and otherwise not
12:57:59JdGordonfml: it needs a formatter if you dont want the raw value displayed
13:00:26fmlJdGordon: but if the setting is set with a custom screen? I.e. if the menu entry for setting that that setting has a custom callback menu?
13:00:58fmlJdGordon: then, I assume, that callback menu specifies a formatter, and the setting itself does not need to bear one
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13:02:20JdGordonim pretty tired and not really following, but sonuds like a yes, it doesnt need
13:02:34JdGordonerr, it should probably be a CUSTOM_SETTING() then
13:05:03fmlJdGordon: the menu text for the setting is set dynamically, hence the menu is configured as MENUITEM_FUNCTION_DYNTEXT
13:05:24JdGordonthe menu has nothing to do with the formatter for the setting
13:06:53fmlJdGordon: I don't quite get it either. In the custom function (specified in the menu entry), set_int is called, and there a formatter is specified. Hence I think it overwrites the formatter specified in the setting declaration.
13:07:52JdGordonsounds like the mnu dyntext callback is useing the setting callback
13:07:55JdGordonwhich is fine
13:09:17nick_pI think the original use of a MENUITEM_FUNCTION was to start the sleep timer when a value was selected
13:09:42nick_pThis mechanism was just adapted to also store that value away as it was doing it
13:10:28fmlJdGordon: it's not. There is a separate formatter.
13:13:57*JdGordon needs to pass out for a good 8+ hours
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13:15:26nick_pfml: so, are you wondering whether the formatter formats the value written to the config file, or what?
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13:16:35fmlnick_p: yes, that too. But I assume it does not. I think it's used for showing setting values if it's set via the standard call. Be we do not use the standard call for the setting.
13:17:04fmlnick_p: That's why I think we don't need the formatter in the setting, but only the one in the menu.
13:17:11nick_pfml: the setting that gets written isn't formatted
13:17:34fmlnick_p: yes, I think so
13:18:05nick_pfml: I'm not sure why kugel added the set_int( part - you'd have to ask him about that
13:18:49nick_pfml: to be honest, I think having the dynamically changing menu item title turned out to be harder than he though
13:19:56fmlnick_p: I think he added it so that he can set the setting _and_ start/stop the timer
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14:16:17fmlkugel: nick_p: see FS #12488
14:16:18fs-bluebot Eliminate the duplicated formatter for the "sleep timer" setting (patches, new)
14:19:26nick_pfml: even if the min value is a comment, 0 would never be written so isn't it misleading?
14:19:59fmlnick_p: yes, maybe
14:20:44nick_pfml: sorry, I should have added that as a comment
14:22:39fmlnick_p: I think we should have another macro for declaring setting with custom callback. In such settings, we don't need to declare min/max/step.
14:27:42nick_pfml: sounds good. To be honest the currrent selector isn't ideal, it continually starts the sleep timer as you scroll up and down the values on each one
14:28:44nick_pfml: I just made the minimum number of changes to get the patch accepted (and the I was capable off), but it does need reworking
14:28:51fmlnick_p: maybe. I talk to kugel about that. But the formatter isn't needed for sure. I think :-)
14:29:37fmlnick_p: does it really change the setting every time you move the cursor? I.e. before you press "select"?
14:30:44nick_pfml: yes, if you install a theme that shows the sleep timer you can see it happening (pony for clip+, sleeper for e200 are two of mine)
14:31:33fmlnick_p: ok. But I don't think it hurts much since the setting is changed rarely and is not very crucial.
14:33:22nick_pfml: agreed, it's a back water and it currently works, even if it is a bit rough :)
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14:34:07fmlnick_p: could you review the patch and, if you find it appropriate, commit it? I don't have the dev env at hand now.
14:34:50nick_pfml: ok, but it won't be until tomorrow morning, I'm watching a film and typing on a laptop
14:35:45fmlnick_p: Oh, you are very capable! I can only do one thing at a time :-)
14:36:13nick_pfml: I'm also drinking a beer!
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16:55:46WilliamCI just bought a Sansa Clip Zip to replace my aging Sansa e200
16:56:02WilliamCI take it that Rockbox for it is not yet working, right?
16:56:30[Saint_]Its working rather well for a young port as far as I'm aware.
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16:56:55[Saint_]Its nowhere near release, but its definitely working.
16:57:11WilliamCany clue as to whats broken on it?
16:59:15[Saint_]I'm not aware of any specifics, no. My recollection may be broken, but I do seem to recall it being mostly functional. There's a thread dedicated to the port on the forum.
16:59:26WilliamCoh, okay
16:59:32WilliamCI was just reading the website
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17:01:06bertrik_netbookthe clip zip port is working fine
17:01:30bertrik_netbookthere is no rbutil support for it though in the current rbutil release
17:01:43WilliamCI rarely use rbutil
17:03:06[Saint_]bertrik_netbook: can't you enable the unstable builds in rbutil?
17:05:14funmanWilliamC: some plugins are ugly, that's pretty much the problems of this port (and there's no manual)
17:05:27WilliamCMen don't use manuals.:P
17:05:45gevaertsThey do if they want support! ;)
17:06:21bertrik_netbookI don't know all the details of rbutil support for latest clip zip firmwares
17:07:19funmanbertrik_netbook: rbutil release doesn't support clip zip bootloader install
17:10:25WilliamCThe bootloader patch program isn't working, says it does not recognize the firmware
17:10:52funmanWilliamC: get it from funman/mkamsboot-1.5/">
17:26:54WilliamCGot it installed, I originally forgot to put it in the right USB mode
17:28:06funmanWilliamC: that USB mode is mentioned in the manual :)
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17:28:58WilliamCIt was listed on the website, but I missed it
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19:00:58lorenzo92kugel: R0 is still playing after 19 hours :D
19:01:13lorenzo92kugel: is there the autoshutdown at 3,450 volts right?
19:02:03bertrikcan someone give me an update of new ports that are currently in active development?
19:02:38bertrikwe seem to have the samsung yp-r0, sansa fuze+ and sansa connect in active development, right?
19:02:56lorenzo92bertik: for sure: Samsung YP-R0 ;)
19:04:06bertrikis there stuff that you are stuck with, that I could help with (without having the actual target ..)?
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19:07:38bertrikhow does the yp-r0 run rockbox, as an app on linux, or as an OF replacement?
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19:27:42ukleinekbertrik: wodz works on rk27xx
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19:43:29adnapi have a problem with rockbox on android. after locking the screen when i press the power button to unlock the phone turns on and then instantly locks again. this happens consistently, and killing rockbox resolves the problem. when stuck in this locking loop, i can sometimes hold the power button, which will keep the lockscreen visible long enough to unlock the phone, at which point my phone no longer locks automatically.
19:44:44adnapi can make a video of this if it helps
19:46:24lorenzo92bertik: well atm I don't think so, but help is always appreciated and kugel could have some questions indeed ;)
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20:08:43lorenzo92bertik: it is a special application, let's say. It's an app but must control lots of hardware params ;)
20:09:01lorenzo92bertik: on linux, of course
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20:38:48rhapsodyI'm experiencing a problem with my Emcore'd 6th gen iPod Classic 120gig where it won't play some of my mp3 files. Even more strangely, it won't play whole albums of them and not just isolated incidents. Any ideas on what could be wrong? I was thinking codecs or something perhaps
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20:43:17blueishrhapsody: perhaps some tag related issue? Large album art or broken characters in the tags?
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20:44:35rhapsodyI'm thinking the same thing actually. I have EasyTag 2.1.6 installed and when browsing through albums there, some of the .mp3 files didn't show up there either. So I dragged and dropped them to my iPodClassic where they also don't work.
20:44:45rhapsodyHowever if I can see it in EasyTag, it will play on Rockbox
20:45:19blueishtry removing the id3 tags on the affected files. If they play afterwards there's something strange with the tags.
20:45:38rhapsodyHow would I remove the id3 tags?
20:45:41blueishin which case the people involved in the metadata parser might be interested in such a tag payload :)
20:46:21blueishon Linux?
20:46:30rhapsodyYes, Ubuntu 11.10
20:46:41blueishtry id3v2
20:47:09blueish(that would be command line though)
20:48:54blueishid3v2 -D path/to/files/*.mp3
20:50:01rhapsodyOkay, I'll give it a go and report back
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20:52:28plushhi. i am trying to debug mass storage on an ipod 4g
20:52:46plushi enabled logf and i see that the driver initializes three control endpoints only
20:52:50plushno bulk endpoints at all
20:53:14plushit all goes downhill from there
20:53:49plushthe mass storage driver fails to find bulk endpoints, produces invalid usb descriptors and the mass storage device cannot be used
20:53:59plushthe root of the problem seems to be the lack of bulk endpoints
20:54:03plushhas anyone else had this?
20:54:16plusham i the only one with non-working mass storage on an ipod 4g?
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20:56:54funmanplush: there should be only one control endpoint
20:58:11plushfunman: this is my logf.txt with logf enabled in usb-drv-arc.c and usb_storage.c:
20:58:21plushas you can see, the initialization code produces three control pipes
20:58:26funmandoes OF work?
20:58:29plushi'd expect one control, two bulk
20:58:50plushi use the built-in disk mode to copy firmware on and logf.txt off
20:58:52plushworks perfectly
20:59:30rhapsodyblueish: this might be a while, I'm experiencing problems with compiling and installing that software
21:00:01lorenzo92kugel: 21 hours, still 3,560 (I know I shouldn't turn on the display but I was curious :D)
21:01:01plushfunman: actually, looking at that logf.txt, i only see endpoints being released, never added
21:01:08funmanplush: i don't know ipod4g, you might wait for someone else who knows it
21:01:24plushi can't see any bugs in flyspray
21:01:37funmanthe status page says it should work also
21:01:38plushwhich surprises me if it is indeed broken for real
21:01:47plushit used to work for me perfectly
21:01:51plushnow it doesn't anymore
21:03:31funmancan you find when it broke? what was last working build?
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21:12:15plushfunman: trouble is, i updated my OS as well
21:12:19plushso i can never be sure
21:12:33plushthough rockbox certainly produces an invalid usb descriptr
21:12:40plushso it is fishy alright
21:13:12funmanpamaury: i saw that your PIO usb driver supported HID just fine
21:13:31funmanplush: try older release builds until it works
21:13:55plushfunman: i always build from source. i will do some bisecting to find the exact commit that broke it
21:14:16plushi fear i won't have time for it today. but i will be back once i know when the error was introduced
21:15:12funmanplush: ok
21:15:28plushthanks for your feedback so fart
21:15:33plushoops, evil typo :)
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21:31:00[7]plush, funman: actually it should be two control and two bulk endpoints total
21:31:11[7]with possibly another endpoint (interrupt) for HID
21:32:15plush[7]: so either way, the endpoints i get are off
21:32:19[7](epX in and epX out are distinct endpoints in USB terminology that don't have anything to do with each other)
21:32:22plushi added some extra logf() statements in ata.c
21:32:40[7]plush: are you sure that it isn't just the logging that's off?
21:32:44plushthe endpoints i get back from usb_core as bulk in and bulk out are both zero
21:32:49[7]where does that "CTRL" information come from?
21:32:53plush[7]: yes, absolutely
21:33:12plushi can see on my pc that the rockbox descriptor has two bulk endpoints with an address of zero
21:33:14plushwhich is invalid
21:33:28plushthe CTRL info comes from an endpoint release
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21:33:35plushi don't know what causes this to happen
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21:35:22[7]plush: can you track the calls (with arguments) and return values of usb_drv_request_endpoint?
21:36:52plush[7]: can do. unfortunately, not today. i wiped my rockbox build directory to rebuild cleanly... and noticed my perl is all b0rked
21:36:56plushfixing that will take a while
21:37:01plushlots of packages to reinstall :(
21:37:12[7]what's wrong with it?
21:38:23plushit was upgraded from 5.14.1 to 5.14.2 but several dozen packages didn't notice
21:38:30plushso they all linger in the old 5.14.1 directories
21:38:41plushi need to rebuild them to move them over
21:38:47plushnot a big issue, just time-consuming
21:39:04plushthis is normal. this happens whenever there is a perl version bump
21:39:06[7]ah right, thought you might have ran into this "perl^M: bad interpreter" thing, which is highly misleading :)
21:39:42plushno, i know the fault is entirely outside rockbox
21:39:46plushit's a freebsd issue
21:39:59plushbut thanks for checking
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22:21:30dfktthere's no wps tag to display if a file is mono/stereo, right?
22:22:18dfkti mean for audio playback - i know those tags exist for fm radio, and for recording
22:22:40gevaertsI don't see any, no
22:22:51gevaertsSeems like a weird omission
22:23:11dfkti thought it might quietly exist, like that radio dbu tag that wasn't on the wiki page
22:24:24gevaertsI don't find anything obvious in the source
22:24:47dfktthanks for looking :)
22:24:55gevaertsWe do have bitrate and sample rate. Why not stereo? :)
22:25:20dfktindeed... it could come in handy (especially for my audiobook collection)
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22:26:08dfktor also for supported multichannel stuff
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22:27:47gevaertsI think we should go straight for "number of channels"
22:28:34gevaertsstruct mp3entry has a field "channels", but I don't know if all codecs set it properly
22:30:58dfktthat could be nicely handled with a conditional, i think
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22:31:26dfktthe display, i mean - no idea about reading that info from files :)
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22:33:41gevaertsMight only work for atrac though :)
22:33:59dfktdo people use anything else? :p
22:34:53gevaertsThere's a "Added for ATRAC3" comment above the channels field
22:38:25*gevaerts decides to try this patch :)
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22:42:25gevaertsIt works for cook and tta
22:42:39gevaerts(in the test files I have here)
22:42:48gevaertsSo yes, all common ones are covered :)
22:43:19gevaertsI think we should add this, but it needs help from codec people
22:44:32lorenzo92kugel: about 23 hours, still working :D
22:46:16dfktgevaerts, great addition, thanks
22:46:34dfkt(in advance :)
22:47:12gevaertsdfkt: I'm re-downloading the test files. I seem not to have them all, so I might have missed some obscure codecs :)
22:55:05gevaertsdfkt: FS #12490
22:55:06fs-bluebot WPS tag for number of channels (patches, new)
22:57:14bug2000dfkt, Well the crash is only with your theme :\
22:59:31dfktgevaerts, hope MrSaratoga, err, MrSomeone, sees that :)
22:59:43dfktbug2000, still not a single crash here...
22:59:51bug2000dfkt, With the clip, right?
23:00:09dfktnone of my themes crashes any of my players
23:01:32dfktmaybe do a thorough cleaning - install the bootloader again, format the player, do a checkdisk/fsck, install a freshly downloaded rockbox, install a freshly downloaded theme
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23:07:54saratogagevaerts: DSP_SET_STEREO_MODE isn't enough?
23:08:41gevaertsOh, I somehow missed that
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23:10:23CIA-88New commit by alle (r31451): Eliminate the duplicated formatter for the 'sleeptimer duration' setting. It's not needed in the setting declaration since the menu for setting it is ...
23:10:52saratogagevaerts: it looks like most codecs do set DSP_SET_STEREO_MODE, so does that patch work for them or is there another problem?
23:11:41gevaertssaratoga: the patch uses the codec metadata as it is now. I'm seeing if I can make it use the dsp setup. That should work
23:12:46CIA-88r31451 build result: All green
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23:22:04gevaertsdfkt, saratoga: FS #12490 updated to use the dsp configuration. That seems to work for everything
23:22:05fs-bluebot WPS tag for number of channels (patches, new)
23:23:12*gevaerts assumes that interleaved vs. non-interleaved stereo is an internal detail that's not very interesting for WPS designers
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