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#rockbox log for 2011-12-28

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00:50:07JdGordon_gevaerts: wont the DSP always show 2 channels?
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00:51:01gevaertsJdGordon_: assuming the simulator works for this, no. It seems to work ;)
00:53:28gevaertsJdGordon_: I'm not sure about the proper name for this tag. It's not actually metadata in the "new" implementation
00:53:44gevaertsAlso the name of the define should be different because of this
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00:54:19JdGordon_I just thought the dsp would always downmix to 2 channels :)
00:54:25JdGordon_and yeah, change the wps tag
00:54:39gevaertswell yes, it *down*mixes. It just doesn't upmix :)
00:55:12gevaertsi.e. it shows 1 or 2
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00:57:03saratogathe dsp code should probably handle downmixing as well, rather then making the codecs do it
00:57:13saratogabut i'm not sure what the overhead would be like
00:57:43JdGordon_gevaerts: so its more a stereo/mono tag?
00:58:24gevaertsI'm not actually sure what we want here. Both stereo/mono and number of channels seem useful
01:00:37JdGordon_if you say so :)
01:00:47gevaertsWell, if any of them are!
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01:01:48gevaertsOne says something about whether you'll miss something by only listening on one side, the other says something about whether it's worth it to go out and buy a surround sound set :)
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01:03:26saratogawhy not add another stereo tag that indicates the codec is downmixing? DSP_SET_STEREO_DOWNMIX_MODE
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01:03:56saratogawould still have to fix the codecs, but not that many even do >2 channels
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01:06:16gevaertsMaybe. I'm not really familiar enough with codec/metadata/wps interaction to have a decent opinion
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06:27:09JdGordon_[Saint]: free to test a patch?
06:27:38[Saint]Nup. Sorry :-S
06:27:58JdGordon_you suck!
06:55:07CIA-88New commit by jdgordon (r31452): protect the yes/no screen from extra keypresses (which can happen if you display 2 yes/no screens too quickly)
06:55:16JdGordon_hopesfully that doesnt make things worse :p
06:57:25CIA-88r31452 build result: All green
07:15:21JdGordon_[Saint]: if oyu can be bothred... fs#12474 is worth a go
07:15:22fs-bluebot [PATCH] Database: Support for multiple search roots. (patches, new)
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07:19:04[Saint]Runnin' it now.
07:20:08[Saint]I'm using it prior to your contribution.
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10:36:32lorenzo92kugel: 25 hours for the R0 ;)
10:36:46lorenzo92kugel: quite impressive...isn't it?
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10:48:28bertrikwhat capacity is the battery?
10:49:53[Saint]I wanted to ask that too, but he left immediately.
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11:32:32bertrikmeh, after a silly spree of "make-local-things-static" in jpeg_decoder.c, I suddenly get: ‘bs.get_buffer’ may be used uninitialized in this function
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11:42:35n1sbertrik, isn't that a good thing?
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11:45:55bertrikI guess so ... but I'm not familiar enough with this code to really decide if it's harmful or not
11:46:09[Saint]Errors aren't so fun...but, why was said spree "silly"?
11:47:15bertrik[Saint], it doesn't really solve a known bug, just tidies things up a bit
11:47:51[Saint]Which, from some code I've laid eyes very un-silly. :)
11:52:21n1sbertrik: from a quick look it looks ok but an init to 0 where the other fields of the struct are inited shouldn't hurt
11:53:17bertrikn1s, yes that's what I thought too, I'll try if jpeg still works after this
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11:55:11n1syeah, it calls the check_bit_buffer function before get_bits or peek_bits everywhere which then shifts in new data if there isn't tenough left and the bits_left field is inited to 0
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11:56:24n1skind of odd that this would be uncovered by making stuff static since the struct is a local var anyway
11:56:54bertrikI guess gcc works in mysterious ways
11:57:01n1sindeed :)
11:57:10[Saint]Guess?!? ;)
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12:32:23CIA-88New commit by bertrik (r31453): plugins: another round of making local things static and adding missing #includes
12:34:49CIA-88r31453 build result: 0 errors, 50 warnings (bertrik committed)
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12:40:28kugellorenzo92: nice :)
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12:40:41lorenzo92kugel: hey
12:40:47lorenzo92kugel: yeah nice indeed
12:41:02lorenzo92kugel: BUT I have a bad news...the bench plugin recorded only 16 hours .(
12:41:07lorenzo92no clue why!
12:42:10kugelcan you post the file anyway?
12:42:19[Saint]What capacity is the battery?
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12:43:25lorenzo92600 mAh
12:43:43lorenzo92it lasted 25 hrs, so about 24 mA of drain...
12:43:52kugellorenzo92: it says "reason: power off"
12:44:00lorenzo92kugel: I needed to do that
12:44:09lorenzo92otherwise it went under 3,450
12:44:17lorenzo92I tought it was dangerous
12:44:42lorenzo92kugel: anyway in some minutes I'll give you also the bench of charging
12:44:56kugel16:37:09, 59829, 007%, 00:-1, 3626, -, -
12:44:56kugel−−Battery bench ended, reason: power off−−
12:45:15kugelit says it powered off at 3626mV
12:45:25lorenzo92yeah strange....I don't know why
12:45:30kugelor it did lose 200mv very quickly :)
12:45:58lorenzo92I confirm: from midnight 27th to 1 am 28th
12:46:16lorenzo92then I needed to switch it off manually...
12:46:21kugelI implemented that it should power off at 3450mV I thought
12:46:44lorenzo92eh I'm not sure it does...
12:47:35[Saint]Easy to test.
12:47:36CIA-88New commit by bertrik (r31454): Fix warnings from r31453
12:48:01lorenzo92kugel: okay. Done with I switch rockbox off right?
12:48:18kugelyou can exit battery_bench in some way
12:48:30kugeltry to run it again
12:49:18CIA-88r31454 build result: All green
12:50:02lorenzo92shit...# −−File already present. Resuming Benchmark−−# Battery bench run for Samsung YP-R0 version r31443M-111226# Rockbox has been running for 00:00:11−−Battery bench ended, reason: power off−−
12:50:19lorenzo92no data at all :(
12:50:30kugellorenzo92: another bench, this time with backlight on all the time (brightness at the default value), would be nice
12:50:45kugellorenzo92: uhh :(
12:51:14lorenzo92kugel: I guess I did some mess with the build, could it be that I updated only the rockbox executable and not also plugins?
12:51:39kugelthat could be a problem
12:52:29[Saint]Don't the plugins just outright refuse to run if there's a missmatch making the build/plugin incompatible?
12:52:54kugelonly if you update the version defines proeprly
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12:54:40lorenzo92so I guess I'm wrong :)...anyway I will repeat these bench of course
12:55:03kugellorenzo92: do the one with backlight first
12:55:07lorenzo92so: one discharging, one charging, then discharging with backlight on right?
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12:55:19kugelit's enough to map voltage to percentage
12:55:22lorenzo92at level? default?
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12:57:55lorenzo92kugel: ok. ready to start
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13:10:32Sleepy_CoderOh hey I found it :D
13:11:05[Saint]The internet?
13:11:26Sleepy_CoderSo I'm a picky person to buy things for. Dad surprised me with a Sansa Clip Zip on Christmas and I realized that it was missing 2 things I had hoped for: a more common USB plug (the one on the Clip+ not the Clip Zip) and the ability to transfer files from the SD card to the internal HD
13:12:00Sleepy_CoderSo my question for #rockbox is what would be considered the more avaluable player from the modifications perspective: Sansa Clip+ or Sansa Clip Zip
13:12:18Sleepy_CoderI don't really see the need for the color screen of the Clip Zip. Who cares about album art. :\
13:12:30Sleepy_CoderI just really dislike that slim uncommon micro usb variant of a plug.
13:12:50[Saint]Its actually the opposite of uncommon.
13:13:01[Saint]Its *very* common ;)
13:13:25Sleepy_CoderI find the micro usb port on the Clip+ to be more common. A lot of my wifi cards have that one instead of the one on the Clip Zip... but hmm.
13:13:49Sleepy_CoderI've been debating if I should just ignore the internal HD since I don't want to be bothered keeping that one unique plug with the device all the time and just using the microsdhc slot.
13:14:18Sleepy_CoderAside from the display, it seems like all the features of the Clip Zip are being added to Rockbox in support of the Clip+
13:14:40[Saint]Ok...right. I've not laid eyes on the ClipZip, I assumed you actually meant standard microUSB sorry.
13:15:02Sleepy_CoderI see the DRM-free AAC playback is supported (with Rockbox) on the Clip+, I see that RDS radio funcionality is "in the workd"... I'm just not sure if there is anything about the Clip+ (aside from the unnecessary color screen) that I would really want over the Clip+
13:15:09Sleepy_Coderin the works* :>
13:15:41Sleepy_CoderHoping that someone knows something secretly awesome about the Clip Zip to make me want to keep it instead of going out and buying the Clip+ instead (and I talk too much, yes)
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13:17:26[Saint]I wouldn't bother finding a Clip+, personally. You've got a Clip Zip, it has a functional port...
13:17:44Sleepy_Coder −− 1.1" oled display, better physical button layout (which I really like but wouldn't be hurt to give up), (a stopwatch????), RDS radio support, DRM-free AAC playback
13:18:01Sleepy_CoderWell see I had a Clip+ a couple months ago when I was much poorer and I took it back because I couldn't justify at the time spending $40
13:18:03lebelliumthe Zip has a shitty display contrary to the Clip+ ;)
13:18:16Sleepy_CoderYeah, I find the Clip+ much clearer to read, even if the res is much smaller
13:18:23Sleepy_Codermonochrome displays are sexy
13:18:47Sleepy_CoderI mean I wish the battery life were better for constant FLAC, but what can you do. :\
13:18:58Sleepy_Coder15-hour battery life @ 128kbps mp3, afaik
13:19:59[Saint]Check the runtime stats page...I'm pretty sure even the old data on there paints a much better picture of runtime for Clip+
13:20:03Sleepy_CoderDoes anyone happen to know if Rockbox adds the ability to transfer files from the the microsdhc card to the internal hd? That would really make all this worth it.
13:20:20[Saint]Yes, it does.
13:20:30Sleepy_CoderOkay thank you :}
13:21:29Sleepy_CoderAlso I would just like to say that even though I talk a lot I'm happy to see that not all freenode support channels are filled with bureacratic elitists more willing to shun than answer questions <3
13:21:37*Sleepy_Coder begins absorbing the wiki
13:23:15scorcheSleepy_Coder: the manual might be more useful ;)
13:24:48kugellorenzo92: hope it works this time
13:24:49[Saint]The wiki *should* have runtime data and codec comparisons, though. Not sure the manual includes that info.
13:25:33Sleepy_CoderShush, you're so distracting, geniuses >8|
13:25:57lorenzo92kugel: well lebellium noticed that I still have an issue with languages in my build, so I don't know. I leave it testing, then I will rebuild the entire svn
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13:28:14bertrikSleepy_Coder, I like the clip zip better than the clip+, but they're not that different actually, biggest difference is indeed the display 96x96x16 for the clip zip and 128x64x1 for the clip+
13:29:19lorenzo92kugel: I don't know this evening I'll be is safe to leave r0 working? also if it doesn't shutdown automaticly?
13:29:31lorenzo92there should be an hw protection...isn't it?
13:30:19[Saint]Modern batteries generally handle deep discharge quite well.
13:32:13Sleepy_Coder Now see this is just excessive.
13:32:15*bertrik doubts that without seeing evidence
13:32:50Sleepy_Coderbertrik: I had not noted the exact differences in dimensions of their screens, I had only been thinking of the color aspect. That makes it clear, thank you, I definitely need the Clip+
13:33:11Sleepy_CoderWhen i was using the Clip Zip earlier I was annoyed that a lot of my songs were off the screen because they were so long in title length
13:34:04bertrikHave you tried rockbox on the zip already?
13:34:24Sleepy_CoderI have not, I was deciding if I should keep it or find a Clip+
13:34:48Sleepy_Coder(which technically isn't hard, places around here have it in stock as one of those "old mp3 players they can't get rid of"
13:35:11Sleepy_CoderIt seemed like someone talking earlier had been hinting that they were relatively rare now :>
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13:36:32Sleepy_CoderI really wish I could find the info on runtime under various formats
13:36:46*Sleepy_Coder is having trouble navigating rockbox' site :x
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13:37:37Sleepy_Coder oh there we are
13:37:41bertrikwe don't really have *one true standard* for doing runtime benchmarks
13:38:56Sleepy_CoderJust needed a rough estimate :]
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13:42:59n1smost common codecs should be fine , he aac and high compression ape are the really slow ones
13:43:08[Saint]Fwiw, your track titles will be off the screen on a Clip+ also.
13:43:34[Saint]An 8pt font only allows 16 chars max on Clip+
13:44:09[Saint]Your track titles are likely longer, and will have to scroll.
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13:44:23Sleepy_CoderHmm looks like I had misread, I thought Rockbox added RDS radio to the Clip+ also, which with the proprietary firmware is only added on the Clip Zip
13:44:45*Sleepy_Coder doesn't know exactly what RDS radio is though :\ So not sure if want.
13:45:35[Saint]Its embedded metadata, in radio. Things like the station name, track title, etc.
13:47:06Sleepy_Coderoh so it's not something hardware-dependant
13:47:09Sleepy_Coderthat's good to hear
13:47:23gevaertsIt is
13:47:32gevaertsThe tuner chip has to support it
13:47:32[Saint]It is hardware dependant.
13:47:43Sleepy_Coderthis saddens me :<
13:48:11Sleepy_Coderbrb, cats are revolting again
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13:59:13amiconnSleepy_Coder: Clip+ has mini-USB, Clip zip has micro-USB. Both are official standards, but mini-USB is deprecated nowadays. That's very likely the reason why Sandisk switched to micro-USB for the Clip zip
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14:43:05Sleepy_Coderamiconn: oic :o
14:43:16Sleepy_CoderI have a lot of mini-USB cords, what's why I was fussing over this
14:43:38Sleepy_Coderall but one of my wifi cards (7) uses mini-usb on their end and regular usb on the other
14:44:00Sleepy_Coderthe exception to the norm actually has a micro-usb cord, so yaaaay
14:44:15Sleepy_CoderI don't have to worry about losing the micro-usb cord for the clip zip
14:46:47Sleepy_Coderstill can't decide. rds radio is very useful when you want to go home and torrent what you heard on the radio later
14:46:59Sleepy_Coderbut the clip+ has 32 more pixels (horizontally) to work with
14:47:17Sleepy_Coderthat's really all it comes down to for me. :\
14:49:49bertrikdon't expect *too* much from RDS, many stations put all kind of random blah in the RDS stream (at least here in the netherlands)
14:51:20bertrikthe public stations generally behave w.r.t. RDS, showing the station name and program name correctly without interleaving it with other messages
14:52:10Sleepy_Coderwould be fun to make your own fm transmitter and spam nearby rds-capable devices with stuff.
14:52:23Sleepy_Coder"Eat at Joe's Crab Shack"
14:52:43[Saint]Until you were arrested.
14:52:58kugelbertrik: did you try if pf still works?
14:53:13bertrikkugel, no
14:53:18kugelIIRC someone already tried static-ifying it and it didnt work anymore
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14:53:54kugelBagder: ping
14:54:18Sleepy_Coder[Saint]: They sell FM-transmitters for devices here all the time that are capable of outtaking the radio stations for 100 feet... I don't see how it would be illegal :> But perhaps that is a discussion for another time/channel ;<
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14:55:07Sleepy_Coder <3
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14:56:46funmanyeah move that chat to #rockbox-community or something please
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14:59:25bertrikkugel, browsing albums still seems to work as before, I'm now rebuilding the cache and see if that still works
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15:05:31dfktdo smaller sizes than 14 exist of the beautiful nimbus font? anyone knows of an inofficial version?
15:05:47jlbiasinidfkt: I've remade the photo you gave me in svg. For a beginner I guess the result is not that bad. Anyway I need a few direction on svg file would you have a little time to help me? Obviously files in manual/rockbox_interface/images have a single layout text with all info regarding button on it. But I cannot found any layout for the player's picture itself...
15:06:23jlbiasinimy image is in a layout
15:07:12jlbiasinido I have to transfert it into some backgroung? or is the image layout hidden?
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16:00:02jlbiasiniok I've got it: I have to import the image and then build my button on a layout
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16:43:51chkktri_and i thought why nothing sends =\
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16:45:43[Saint]You know what channel you're in, yeah?
16:46:24[Saint]No worries, just checking. :)
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17:06:15CIA-88New commit by theseven (r31455): iPod Classic: HDD endianness change ...
17:08:07CIA-88r31455 build result: All green
17:11:34funmanTheSeven: how's USB on classic now ?
17:12:13TheSevenfunman: still flaky
17:12:17funmanTheSeven: btw pamaury had written a PIO driver for amsv2, and HID was working fine
17:12:26TheSevenno idea why though - doesn't seem to be much worse than before your patch
17:12:34TheSevenseems like this might actually be coming from the ATA layer
17:21:16kugelis emCORE the only bootloader?
17:22:58TheSevenuntil now yes
17:23:24TheSevenI hope this will change one day, but so far we haven't found a sane way to run code on these devices
17:23:47TheSeventhe only way is to reflash the NOR (boot) flash using DFU mode
17:36:52pamauryfunman: HID works in pio mode btu
17:36:57pamaurybut not in dma mode ?
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17:39:10funmanpamaury: i didnt test pio though but you said it did
17:39:20funmanHID doesnt work on nano2g either (using dma)
17:44:48funmanpamaury: not sure if the linux driver can use dma at all (it has dma code though)
17:45:00funmannot sure how we could use PIO for interrupt endpoints also
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17:51:54pamaurywhy not ? interrupt is like bulk
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18:00:35funmanbulk works and interrupt doesnt
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18:14:37marcol07hi guys
18:15:33pamauryfunman: that's really strange because there is really no difference
18:16:03funmangevaerts hypothetized that the bug could be im hid driver or somewhere else
18:16:24marcol07can i ask u something? i just uploaded theme but i forgot to write some description. is there any chance to update it?
18:17:05gevaertsmarcol07: if you upload it again with the same theme name and the same email address, it will update it
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18:17:53marcol07ok thanks
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18:55:13bertrikfunman, perhaps you can have a look at the hack that is currently still used for clip zip with lcd type 0?
18:59:16bertrikalso, I still wonder if we also need to swap the R and B intensities in function oled_brightness (because we also swapped from RGB to BGR as pixel format)
19:01:10funmanbertrik: rather quickly, i didnt find lcd code in OF
19:01:25funmanor rather i found it but not the drawing code
19:01:50funmanperhaps there s a delay needed for the row/col to update properly
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19:04:17rafazafarhey guys/gals
19:05:09rafazafarwhy not port rockbox for Android/iOS aswell?
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19:05:26funmanrafazafar: works on android already. interested in doing the iOS port yourself?
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19:08:27bertrikfunman, my memory is a bit fuzzy, I think I found an lcd_update_rect-like function, but almost no calls to it
19:08:55jlbiasinipamaury: any news from the bootloader? Anyway my image for fuze+ are ready at the end, any suggestion?,,
19:09:13funmanbertrik: iirc some of the calls came from other 'modules' , not the first firmware block
19:09:32bertrikyes, sounds plausible
19:10:22bertrikI only looked at the main firmware block and the one that does radio, but didn't look into cross-links between them
19:11:12jlbiasinithis took me the whole day but they looks ok I think
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19:44:38kugelTheSeven: alert! splashf()
19:44:43kugelfrom firmware is a nogo
19:47:21TheSevenheh, that's what was suggested to me by some people back in october...
19:47:23funmanjlbiasini: looks nice
19:47:26TheSevenhow else could this be handled?
19:47:45funmanjlbiasini: perhaps the bottom of the square can move a bit to the top or be rounded?
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19:48:26funmanTheSeven: panicf() ?
19:49:24kugelcheck ata_swap in apps and issue a splash from there
19:49:32kugelor issue no splash at all :)
19:50:51TheSevenfunman: it isn't fatal
19:51:05TheSevenkugel: hm, where in apps would I check that to notify the user on boot?
19:51:20TheSeveni tried to keep that hack local to that file
19:52:42jlbiasinifunman: you mean on the grid?
19:53:05funmanjlbiasini: yes the grid is a bit out of the player
19:53:35jlbiasiniI thougt it would better like that: one can see this is a virtual grid
19:53:43kugelTheSeven: main.c perhaps
19:53:58kugelcompat code isn't necessarily a hack
19:54:28funman[23815.060745] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000008
19:54:31funman[23815.060760] IP: [<ffffffff8143fda0>] sd_revalidate_disk+0x30/0x2a0
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19:55:36funmanwith clipv1
19:55:38kugelI'm unsure if a warning is necessary at all, though. Especially since it recommends upgrading to a not-yet-existing emCORE version which will format the drive
19:55:56funmanyeah that seems overkill
19:55:58kugelpeople might prefer bad performance over an empty disk
19:57:52kugelI would probably remove the splash and make it a panicf after some time if you really want to remove the compat code
20:04:31jlbiasinifunman: right, after mofication it's nicer (same adress if you want to check
20:06:35funmanindeed looks better
20:08:39*TheSeven wonders how many people are even affected by this
20:09:53TheSevenand the patch has already been applied to emcore, it's just that there hasn't been any official release since that point
20:10:05TheSeven(but this will happen during the next week)
20:10:13TheSevenor rather this week
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20:16:03bug2000dfkt, It failed >.> Still crashes.
20:20:12funmanbug2000: ping
20:20:23bug2000funman: pong
20:20:26funmanwas the crash in skin_render_line ?
20:20:40bug2000funman, I unno. Same error it seems to me.
20:20:57funmanSame than what? I was talking about the crash reported on flyspray
20:21:18bug2000funman, If they say so. I only know the code I got from rockbox.
20:21:27bug2000funman, dfkt told me to try fresh start. So I've done full format and reinstalled it. But no go :\
20:22:01funmanwhat is FS# again?
20:22:54bug2000FS #12475
20:22:55fs-bluebot Crash while playing audio (bugs, unconfirmed)
20:23:38bug2000funman, Also didn't manage to be here when JdGordon_ is here.
20:23:40CIA-88New commit by funman (r31456): remove superfluous ifdef
20:24:14funmanJdGordon_ is in australia so timezone might conflict
20:25:34CIA-88r31456 build result: All green
20:29:48funmanJdGordon_: FS #12475 needs your advice
20:29:48fs-bluebot Crash while playing audio (bugs, unconfirmed)
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20:32:16bug2000funman, He is away for sleeping.
20:32:25gevaertsbug2000: we know that
20:32:38bug2000gevaerts, Whats the time in australia now anyway?
20:32:39gevaertsHe will probably wake up again at some point though
20:32:46bug2000gevaerts, Hopefully.
20:33:37bug2000gevaerts, I still find waking up weird. Becasue it feels like you just went to sleep except everything moved around you.
20:33:53*gevaerts looks at the topic
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20:35:29bug2000gevaerts / funman; Anything else I can try to help with on debugging this?
20:37:06funmanyes, don't forget to ask JdGordon_ to look at it
20:37:42bug2000funman, Might be tad complex for me to do that.
20:38:36bug2000funman, How'd you manage to crash it? Which player did you crash?
20:39:43jlbiasinifunman: I also understood how to simplify curves and now this is totally smooth
20:40:01jlbiasiniwell images are ready
20:40:14jlbiasiniNow I can go on the manual
20:40:50bug2000funman, No ponies in pony.
20:42:10funmanbug2000: i wrote the details in the FS
20:42:40bug2000funman, I ment. What did you do for it to happen, not what is the data abort location.
20:45:29CIA-88New commit by funman (r31457): USB HID: cosmetics / simplifications ...
20:45:54funmanbug2000: that detail is in FS as well
20:46:11bug2000funman, O_O. How did I miss that part of the line?
20:46:54bug2000funman, Anyway, just tried DFKT theme with a different font [for sake of trying]. Nothing changes.
20:47:03bug2000funman, Thanks again for your support about it. Good night.
20:47:21CIA-88r31457 build result: All green
20:48:58nosa-ji see that the sansa fuze+ is mostly suported, all except the installer support. i was told yesterday that it was added, but not yet updated. i was wondering if i should go and buy this or if i should find the original fuze. is there anything thats not realy suported?
20:51:03nosa-ji found both on overstock for the same price
20:51:11bug2000nosa-j, USB plugging.
20:51:20nosa-jahh okay thanks
20:51:39gevaertsAs far as I know USB works fine on the fuze+
20:51:49nosa-ji see
20:52:46bug2000gevaerts, Really? For what I've tracked SamsaV2 has no USB file transfer.
20:52:54bug2000gevaerts, It reverts to OF for that.
20:53:00gevaertsbug2000: fuze+ isn't AMSv2
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20:53:29bug2000gevaerts, Got the impression Clip+ is, so I thought it's the same. But in that case it means the fuze+ is better.
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20:54:49funmanand current builds have USB working jsut fine on amsv2
20:54:52topikusb file transfer works fine on clip+
20:54:52dfktrockbox usb works fine on the clip+
20:54:55dfktjinx :)
20:55:04funmanteam work! :)
20:55:43bug2000funman, Really? was the page I read outdated?
20:55:47*bug2000 goes to check the wiki again.
20:56:06bug2000dfkt, By the way, do you run your dfkt theme on the original clip or clip+?
20:56:07topikwiki's can't keep up with funman
20:56:23dfktbug2000, if you use the current v4.0 bootloader and a current build, then you should have no issues
20:57:02dfktbug2000, as i said, i only use my themes on all my players... and none of my players crash (2x clipv1, 2x clip+, 1x clip zip)
20:57:18bug2000dfkt, You really love the clips :P
20:57:48bug2000dfkt, So do I. Small, efficent and no weird usb port.
20:59:20bug2000As for my bad[?] information about USB; From 3.10 release log: USB is still too unstable on the FuzeV2?, ClipV2? and Clip+ and is disabled in this release
20:59:29gevaertsThat's 3.10
20:59:49gevaertsAnd irrelevant for the fuze+ anyway
21:00:04bug2000You might it's fixed in the nightlys? Good to know.
21:00:16bug2000[And 3.10 isn't THAT old yet. Not even a month]
21:00:22gevaertsWe don't do nightly builds, but yes
21:00:37*gevaerts knows exactly how old 3.10 is. He's the one who did the release builds
21:00:54topikgood stuff often comes soon after an official release
21:00:58bug2000Erm yeah. Incorrect term you are right. It's not nightly it's 2minutes realse
21:01:06bug2000topik, How unfair is that?
21:01:15topikit's not
21:01:22gevaertsbug2000: you'd prefer buggy releases?
21:01:22topikit's in the next
21:01:42bug2000gevaerts, Acctaully I'm not sure why I moved to the stable ones. The unstable ones were fun.
21:02:37topikunstable in rockbox lingo is far from unusable
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21:03:59*gevaerts would like to point out that "unstable" means something quite different in rockbox
21:05:03bug2000gevaerts, May I ask, if the bootloader was updated to support USB completly on those targets. Why was the Major Changes on the wiki not updated? Or is it not major?
21:05:40gevaertsbug2000: you should ask funman
21:05:44dfkt<topik> wiki's can't keep up with funman
21:06:01*bug2000 laughs a bit.
21:06:07scanfclip + or clip zip?
21:06:46bug2000dfkt, How good is the Zip? Should I get one? [I managed to crack a bit the cover plastic of the screen on my v1]
21:06:55topikmuch more fun to fix problems than update documentation
21:07:05bug2000topik, True. True.
21:07:27topikclip zip is a clip+ with a color screen and micro usb
21:07:40scanfthe clip+/clipzip have very cheaply made cases
21:08:02scanfin fact, i fried one wiping it with a barely dampened tissue
21:08:07scanfnot waterproof at all
21:08:12bug2000Oh yeah, did they get the hold sliver back onto the clipzip?
21:08:22bug2000scanf, :( So the original is sturdier by that much?
21:08:36scanfno i think they are probably all that way
21:08:49scanfbt i am abot to buy a new one i think
21:09:01scanfclip+ for $21 or clip zip for $28 (USD)
21:09:04bug2000Why did they do something so annoying as removing the hold slider?
21:09:09topikclip zip feels more plastic-y than clip+
21:09:56gevaertsPlease, try to keep this channel on-topic. People read backlogs, and they don't want to read speculation about why some manufacturer did something
21:10:10bug2000gevaerts, Yeah. Sorry.
21:10:34bug2000gevaerts, Got a bit sidetracked.
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21:13:39jlbiasiniextract from clip v2 manual: "The Clip v2 is available in multiple versions," I suppose this should be "The Clip is available in multiple versions..."
21:15:24gevaertshm, good point
21:15:47TheSevenpamaury, funman: seems like there's timing involved with the classic usb issues
21:16:03TheSevenadding splashf()s for debugging purposes makes it fail consistently
21:16:45gevaertsjlbiasini: can you submit a bug report? This is pretty obviously wrong, but fixing it properly needs some thinking
21:17:14jlbiasiniyes this is what I just saw... ok I will
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21:24:57TheSevengevaerts: any idea what it means if I get a couple of "scsi inquiry 0" and "ums: set config" pairs (6 times total), but nothing else after that?
21:26:46gevaertsTheSeven: is this related to a change to the ata driver?
21:27:01TheSevenno, it seems to be related to a timing change
21:27:14jlbiasinigevaerts: done. However there is no clip specific section for bugs FS #12491
21:27:14fs-bluebot [clip v2] version is attached to the player name wich can lead to some uncoherence (bugs, unconfirmed)
21:27:26TheSeven(before I added some logging it seemed to get through to some sector accesses at least)
21:27:42gevaertsjlbiasini: good, because the issue isn't clip-specific. It also applies to fuze, c200 and e200 :)
21:27:55kugelTheSeven: do you intend to fix the splashf usage?
21:28:19TheSevenkugel: yes, but I'm not yet sure what's the best way to handle this
21:31:39gevaertsTheSeven: this looks like it tries to enumerate several times, getting pretty far. "ums: set config" implies the "basic" enumeration is done, and it's going on to the scsi bits. The "scsi inquiry 0" is the first bulk request expected, so either the SCSI_INQUIRY response is wrong (hence my question about ata), or the SCSI_INQUIRY response doesn't reach the host, which would mean an issue with outgoing bulk transfers
21:31:58jlbiasinigevaerts: shouldn't those too section be mixed using /playerman instead of the MPIO website and iriver website
21:32:50TheSevengevaerts: possibly an excessively low timeout value on the host side?
21:33:15TheSeventhe funny part is that the last request i'm getting is a set config and not an inquiry one
21:33:28jlbiasinijlbiasini: gevaerts: at least the head of it
21:34:00gevaertsTheSeven: you never know, but I wouldn't think so. Spec-wise there isn't any timeout on these, so usually the timeout is in seconds or tens of seconds (if not more)
21:35:02gevaertsjlbiasini: I'm not sure here. Yes, it would be shorter, but it could easily make the \opt{} structure more complicated
21:36:42jlbiasinigevaerts: The first part could be common and the stuff about where to go separate but the code is certainly more readable like tha
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21:37:43gevaertsjlbiasini: feel free to submit a patch, so other manual people can have a look at it. No promises though, so this could be lost work
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21:40:12jlbiasinigevaerts: yes I think I rather first do the fuze+ manual then I'll be ready for messing with manual itself
21:40:20gevaertsGood idea :)
21:43:58jlbiasinigevaerts: so to go on: wtf is swcodec is fuze+ concerned? I saw quite a discussion on the mailling list and still not understood what it is... For what I get: swcode = new player, hdcodec = old player which should mean fuze+ = swcodec?
21:44:54gevaertsjlbiasini: hwcodec means there's a dedicated decoder chip for mpeg audio, swcodec means that decoding happens on the main cpu
21:45:08gevaertsYou should be able to deduce the answer from that :)
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21:46:52jlbiasinigevaerts: so just the oposite of what I wrote?
21:47:11gevaertsno :)
21:47:28gevaertshwcodec in practice are the archoses
21:47:33jlbiasiniah ok like those archos that can only read mp3!!
21:47:51TheSevenhm, this does indeed look like bulk in endpoint breakage
21:47:55gevaertsNot *only* mp3! They also do mp2 and related
21:48:04TheSeveni never get a transfer completion of the inquiry response, even though it is sent out
21:50:45jlbiasinigevaerts: ok thx :)
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21:54:42funmanTheSeven: the difference between bulk and itnerrupt made me think about timing problem too
21:54:54bug2000funman. Why am I not sleeping yet? Anyway, it seems to NOT crash with current build.
21:55:05funmanTheSeven: since you're in usb, how about we merge the 2 drivers; so we can make one single bugfix ?
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22:01:08bug2000dfkt, Is your clip1 with 3.10 or whateveryoucallit build?
22:02:45marcol07cen somebody test theme for sansa clip? its name is simpleawesome...
22:03:13dfktbug2000, no, running some recent-ish patched build
22:03:49bug2000dfkt, Can you check for a moment if 3.10 crash for you? Because the recent-ish build doesn't crash with your theme.
22:04:04dfktyeah, i can try
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22:16:13CIA-88New commit by theseven (r31458): usb-s3c6400x: Fix some more confusion between DEPCTL_stall and DEPCTL_naksts
22:16:34*TheSeven wonders if that actually fixed anything
22:18:22CIA-88r31458 build result: All green
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22:18:26dfktbug2000, 3.10 works fine so far, skipped around some 10 tracks so far
22:18:37bug2000dfkt, No clue in that case.
22:18:56bug2000dfkt, But yeah, the build seems to not crash for me with your theme.
22:19:00dfkti see my bootloader is 2.0 - no idea if that is the recent one for amsv1
22:20:57bug2000dfkt, Same.
22:27:53funmanTheSeven: cqn you check usb-drv-as3525 too ?
22:29:44TheSevenfunman: you mean as3525v2?
22:30:40TheSevenyeah, same bug there
22:31:12TheSevenor at least same mismatch to my old code - no idea whether that one was correct
22:32:12jlbiasiniso it seems that I will need to talk to some manual guru. Does anyone know one?
22:32:51gevaertsjlbiasini: as usual, just ask :)
22:33:16gevaertsIt depends on the guruness you need
22:34:30funmanTheSeven: can you fix it too ?
22:34:42TheSevenwell i'm not sure if it's even broken :)
22:34:52funmanbut you changed it for nano2g ??
22:35:01TheSevenyeah, but that didn't seem to have any effect
22:35:09TheSeveni just made it consistent with how it used to be in the old driver
22:35:14funmanwell change both drivers so they don't diverge too much
22:36:13funmanif it breaks things we'll know it pretty fast as there are much more sansa users
22:36:18TheSevenhm, this was the only place where naksts was used at all
22:36:22TheSeventhat's a bit suspicious
22:37:05CIA-88New commit by theseven (r31459): usb-srv-as3525v2: backport r31458
22:37:52funmani was thinking of making at least a file with the common parts before we merge the two
22:38:19funmanor do the merge in several steps, and at the end have one driver, and the PHY part in ipod / sansa files
22:38:59CIA-88r31459 build result: All green
22:41:08jlbiasiniok so the installation part of the manual is scripted in manual/getting_started/installation.tex.For bootloader manual installation on Sansas this call then: either sansa_install.tex for taget relying on sansapatcher or sansaAMS_install.tex for those relying on mkamsboot.
22:44:13jlbiasiniFuze+ rely on mkimxboot that was written to be fully consistent with mkamsboot. So I could insert the fuze+ in the sansaAMS_install.tex quite easely. A few change would have to be made however because mkamsboot is sometime hard written and should rather be change into some /bootloaderprogam variable
22:44:36TheSevenhm, there's definitely timing involved here
22:46:01jlbiasinianyway this would breaks the consistency of the file's name: sansaAMS_install.tex. 1) because it would be no more AMS file. 2) because mkimxboot should handle non-sansa device in the near future.
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22:48:03gevaertsjlbiasini: I'd use a new file
22:48:15jlbiasiniso the question is: do I do a new IMX233.tex file that is quite a perfect copy of sansaAMS_install.tex (conditionnal code for other player being removed) or do we try to have some unification.
22:48:47gevaertsAlthough it may be good to get pixelma's and bluebrother
22:48:49gevaerts's opinion
22:49:18jlbiasinigevaerts: that's what I made. But this is quite a copy of everything from the former file
22:49:32jlbiasinithose are the manuals guru?
22:50:06jlbiasiniok I will try to reach them then thank you again!
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22:51:34TheSevenfunman: hm, this is either a timeout or a lost interrupt
22:51:55funmanTheSeven: i had adde a panic on unhandled interrupts
22:52:16TheSevenlost in terms of accidentally ACKed without being handled (race condition?)
22:54:01jlbiasinipixelma: bluebrother: are you there any idea on this?
22:54:23funmanTheSeven: don't we write the status register only after the interrupt was handled?
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23:00:49jlbiasiniso for the record the resulting file is this
23:01:40TheSevenfunman: well, in theory...
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23:22:00bluebrother^gevaerts: jlbiasini: I'd use a file for the installation method, similar to how Rockbox Utility
23:23:24jlbiasinibluebrother^: ok I've started so anyway but this is really the very same...
23:23:49jlbiasiniIMX233_install.tex is a good name?
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23:47:30TheSevengevaerts: do i remember correctly that a NAK isn't critical at all in a USB system?
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23:48:02TheSevenis there some timeout after how many naks a transfer will retire as failed on the host side?
23:49:31gevaertsWell, it shouldn't, anyway
23:50:49TheSeveni've seen transfers fail if we receive data before we have set up the endpoint accordingly... so these must be stalls then?
23:51:17gevaertsstalls or no response, presumably
23:51:36TheSevenisn't there always some response?
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23:52:13gevaertsIf everything works properly, yes. If the endpoint isn't set up yet I'd claim that isn't the case
23:52:40TheSevenhm, what would that be then?
23:52:56gevaertsWhat would what be?
23:53:22TheSeven"no response" in terms of no electrical interaction with the bus at all?
23:53:36TheSeveni thought no response == NAK, essentially
23:54:34gevaertsIn a well set-up system, yes
23:55:04TheSevenso if there's no response at all, how would the HC react? retire after 3 attempts?
23:55:11TheSeventhat would match the behavior i'm observing
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23:55:33gevaertsThat's definitely possible, yes
23:55:49gevaertsI'm not sure if the number of retries in such a case is specified
23:56:10TheSevenanyway it's probably rather low
23:56:28TheSevenand I think I've seen something about 3 retries somewhere
23:56:33TheSevenso it looks like the "idle" state of our EPs might not be correct?
23:57:29gevaertsI'd guess so, yes. The error rate on a USB bus is supposed to be very low, and (again in a well working system) a flipped bit or similar is the only real way to get such a situation, so retrying twice should be enough
23:58:08TheSevenand there are usually higher-level protocols on top of it that can handle a failed transfer anyway
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23:58:22TheSevenbut probably not properly if windows is involved :)

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