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| 01:17:24 | jlbiasini | bluebrother: FS #12503 |
| 01:17:26 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12503 wrong key link in manual/rockbox_interface/browsing_and_playing.tex (bugs, unconfirmed) |
| 01:18:19 | [Saint_] | How is that "unconfirmed"?!? |
| 01:18:35 | [Saint_] | Seems pretty bloody easy to confirm to me ;) |
| 01:19:05 | jlbiasini | I just commit it I didn't know I could choose if it is confirmed or not |
| 01:19:14 | gevaerts | You can't |
| 01:19:32 | gevaerts | We don't use that field much anyway :) |
| 01:19:42 | [Saint_] | Hum...seems rather meaningless info then. |
| 01:20:17 | jlbiasini | how could I get some right to take over the svn before taking over the world? |
| 01:21:21 | jlbiasini | are there specific way to get promoted? |
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| 01:22:08 | [Saint_] | Hang around, get known, submit patches... |
| 01:22:46 | [Saint_] | Svn access will come when people get tired of committing your patches :) |
| 01:23:26 | jlbiasini | ok I think I just have to keep harassing people with it... :) |
| 01:24:16 | jlbiasini | pamaury: you didn't forget my new keymaps for fuze+ did you? FS #12405 |
| 01:24:16 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12405 Improve touchpad implementation for the fuzeplus's port (patches, unconfirmed) |
| 01:24:45 | jlbiasini | the patch can be commited now... :D |
| 01:26:38 | [Saint_] | jlbiasini: and when someone sees it, assuming its correct and they're that way inclined...it'll most likely happen. |
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| 01:43:03 | jlbiasini | bluebrother: FS #12504 |
| 01:43:04 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12504 manual/working_with_playlists/main.tex: hint both in note and subsection, same page same section (bugs, unconfirmed) |
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| 02:42:57 | evilwombat | Hello. Does anyone have any recommendations on iriver h3xx battery replacement? |
| 02:43:10 | evilwombat | Other than "buy one on ebay and install it"? |
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| 03:17:11 | mystica555_ | evilwombat: are you asking for product recommendations, or how-to tips? |
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| 03:37:03 | evilwombat | mystica555, anything you can recommend |
| 03:38:31 | mystica555_ | evilwombat: ive done it a few times; once after buying a replacement from amazon (a Lenmar, it was the only thing i could get in 1 day turnaround as I had to be somewhere and needed the thing working) other times from old batteries from a lot of 4 broken/parts h320s i found on ebay |
| 03:39:05 | mystica555_ | you don't need to remove the circuit board entirely to remove the battery ; its really hard to re-insert without removing however. ive not been able to. |
| 03:39:22 | mystica555_ | the battery cable is hard to reinsert without removing the circuit board |
| 03:39:39 | evilwombat | mystica555_, thanks. do you know of any scams for counterfeit batteries, or will the first random amazon/ebay retailer generally be good? |
| 03:39:52 | mystica555_ | ive not had experience with that aspect of it.. |
| 03:40:00 | evilwombat | I realize this is hard to answer, but have there been cases of people being burned by fake batteries, etc? |
| 03:40:01 | mystica555_ | id figure, if the ebay seller has good reviews, they should be ok |
| 03:40:09 | evilwombat | I suppose this works |
| 03:40:17 | mystica555_ | if you buy it from amazon, you have a return policy |
| 03:40:25 | evilwombat | removing the PCB should not be an issue for me, so it's mainly obtaining the pack that I care about |
| 03:40:29 | mystica555_ | but often more pricy due to it being a specific branded (lenmar is common) battery |
| 03:40:54 | evilwombat | I will look for it. Thanks |
| 03:41:09 | mystica555_ | you're welcome, and good luck! those are great old players |
| 03:41:15 | mystica555_ | i need to get another battery for mine again now ;) |
| 03:41:31 | evilwombat | Radioshack has one for $50 |
| 03:41:36 | evilwombat | (the battery, not the player) |
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| 03:43:06 | evilwombat | my friend's car charger broke, and he gave me his h340 |
| 03:43:20 | evilwombat | the very same h340 i was borrowing when i wrote the midi codec |
| 03:43:43 | evilwombat | it still runs, but the battery has not been replaced in at least 5 years |
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| 03:57:50 | mystica555_ | evilwombat: thatd definitely work; but i used to work at the shack..thats a 10x markup from their cost |
| 03:58:42 | mystica555_ | not certain if there is one near you, but batteries plus has them as well at retail; same pricing.. |
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| 04:00:44 | mystica555_ | the radioshack one, if its a 55xx part number, is order-only |
| 04:01:16 | mystica555_ | Model: PMPIRH1 | Catalog: 55024215 |
| 04:02:56 | mystica555_ | oh, wow.. maybe they dont anymore.. |
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| 04:41:00 | nosa-j | i was trying to install rockbox |
| 04:42:29 | nosa-j | i was trying to put it into recovery mode it seams to do the same things (like saying 'bye') so i was thinking they are the same |
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| 05:15:17 | mystica555_ | id say theyre similar, but without knowing the products well enough, am nowhere near certain that they are compatible |
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| 05:27:15 | nosa-j | well yeah i was thinking the same thing |
| 05:27:47 | nosa-j | i just thought i'd mess around with it |
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| 06:40:50 | JdGordon| | lovely.. clipplus sim seems to be crashing |
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| 07:50:44 | kugel | I'm very happy if FS #12502 can get some testing |
| 07:50:45 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12502 Rework powermgmnt for RaaA/Sim (patches, new) |
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| 08:01:24 | JdGordon| | kugel: do you know anythgin about the clipplus sim crashing when apparenytly doing the dircache scan? |
| 08:03:24 | JdGordon| | yeah, disabling dircache in the config.cfg makes it not crash on bootup |
| 08:03:32 | JdGordon| | segfault without much extra info |
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| 08:07:32 | kugel | JdGordon: doesnt crash here |
| 08:07:47 | kugel | but it's unusually large, perhaps overflowing on your end |
| 08:11:18 | kugel | 51k files while it should be 2400 |
| 08:13:08 | JdGordon | arg |
| 08:13:47 | JdGordon | rockboxui: pthread_mutex_lock.c:62: __pthread_mutex_lock: Assertion `mutex->__data.__owner == 0' failed. |
| 08:13:54 | JdGordon | thats as much debug info as i can get |
| 08:20:50 | kugel | JdGordon: it does multiple scans here |
| 08:21:13 | kugel | same file is 19 times in the cache |
| 08:24:44 | kugel | no time to bisect, unfortunately |
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| 10:01:57 | kugel | JdGord: hm, the problem on my system was a recursive symlink |
| 10:02:16 | kugel | the cache has still more files that exist, but it's not an insane amount anymore |
| 10:04:02 | JdGord | Shouldn't be any recursive symlinks in my dir, and it doesn't affect the other sims |
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| 10:07:51 | kugel | JdGord: I don't believe it's a clip+ specific issue |
| 10:09:58 | kugel | JdGord: you can add a printf in sab_process_dir() in dircache.c (the second implementation), to see on which object it dies |
| 10:10:28 | JdGord | Oh goody |
| 10:11:47 | kugel | I also cannot reproduce the mutex thing you mentioned, with or without −−sdl-threads |
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| 10:19:48 | kugel | okay, the extra entries are for "." and ".." of each dir |
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| 11:32:06 | lebellium | kugel: does the R0 autoshutdown when the battery is too low now? Or is there no security yet? |
| 11:43:31 | kugel | it should, but lorenzo92 reported it doesnt work |
| 11:44:42 | kugel | lebellium: ^ |
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| 11:50:05 | lebellium | hum |
| 11:50:06 | lebellium | ok |
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| 11:59:26 | kugel | no other problem with the task |
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| 12:11:40 | CIA-88 | r31518 build result: All green |
| 12:13:34 | CIA-88 | r31519 build result: All green |
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| 13:57:25 | dfkt | bertrik, would something like this be somewhat similar to implement like your meier crossfeed? - http://web.archive.org/web/20090212135307/http://refinedaudiometrics.com/products-clas.shtml |
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| 14:12:00 | kugel | lorenzo92: found the |
| 14:12:08 | kugel | problem with low battery shutdown |
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| 14:37:02 | lorenzo92 | kugel: hi! Fine....and you know what? samsung finally released all the sources :) |
| 14:37:36 | lorenzo92 | kugel: so now we have all the ioctls :D |
| 14:37:57 | lorenzo92 | kugel: I just need to find the radio module, I guess they placed it in the kernel (hoping there is .... ) |
| 14:38:47 | lorenzo92 | kugel: but gpio, bat, button are there ;) |
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| 14:41:37 | pamaury | lorenzo92: that the moment you hate samsung because you spent hours reverse engineering the code :) |
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| 14:55:57 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: exactly :D |
| 14:56:54 | pamaury | I had the same feeling when freescale release their elftosb code, I spent hours reversing their encryption scheme! But then you still get much more information with the source... |
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| 14:58:19 | kugel | lorenzo92: what, where!? |
| 14:58:23 | lorenzo92 | indeed, but it was interesting to do that anyway, let's say so :) |
| 14:58:52 | lorenzo92 | kugel: yeah, but I cannot find source of keypad and radio module...better than nothing |
| 14:59:03 | lorenzo92 | kugel: check the open source page |
| 14:59:48 | TheLemonMan | they might have shipped them as pre-compiled modules (like they did for the FTL module for me) |
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| 15:00:11 | lorenzo92 | TheLemonMan: indeed, they are in the cramfs.... |
| 15:00:39 | dfkt | lorenzo92, i wonder if they released the source *because* they got notice of the rockbox porting efforts? |
| 15:00:49 | TheLemonMan | then IDA pro is the way, working with .ko files is a whole new world |
| 15:00:54 | lorenzo92 | dfkt: aha don't think so :) |
| 15:01:07 | dfkt | who knows what lebellium tells them ;) |
| 15:01:52 | lorenzo92 | dfkt: I'm in contact with lebellium....I just asked a question on the samsung open source site :) |
| 15:01:57 | lorenzo92 | was too easy lol |
| 15:02:02 | dfkt | heh |
| 15:02:04 | * | pamaury wondered too if freescale released some soure because of rockbox, since the timing was suspicious |
| 15:02:40 | kugel | pamaury: well, we both made inquiries |
| 15:02:44 | lorenzo92 | bah, don't know. But in this new archive there are also some interesting things about the imx37 like a "ltib" library and something more + a pdf |
| 15:02:48 | kugel | so it's not unlikely |
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| 15:03:08 | lorenzo92 | kugel: I re-asked it about 2 days ago :) |
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| 15:03:20 | lorenzo92 | kugel: you can now retry asking for the radio module :p |
| 15:03:45 | lorenzo92 | kugel: To send the question, I used the button near the old package, where the link to download is! |
| 15:04:52 | lorenzo92 | kugel: pmu and gpio modules are interesting |
| 15:06:35 | lorenzo92 | kugel: the "magical" ioctl request struct for the gpio :) |
| 15:06:50 | lorenzo92 | I guessed correctly for the first one... |
| 15:07:21 | lorenzo92 | now we can clean up our wrapper to commit headphone sense |
| 15:08:33 | kugel | that's nice :) |
| 15:08:49 | lorenzo92 | kugel: ahhhh! Now it's clear why charging works :) |
| 15:08:53 | lorenzo92 | #if 0//move to bootloader |
| 15:08:55 | lorenzo92 | afeInitBacklight(); |
| 15:08:57 | lorenzo92 | afeInitCharger(); |
| 15:08:59 | lorenzo92 | #endif |
| 15:10:43 | lorenzo92 | kugel: hey for the afe.ko module the struct I used is fully correct :D |
| 15:11:08 | CIA-88 | New commit by kugel (r31520): ypr0: Fix power off at low battery. |
| 15:11:26 | CIA-88 | New commit by kugel (r31521): ypr0: Proper current values measured with battery_bench. ... |
| 15:11:29 | CIA-88 | New commit by kugel (r31522): ypr0: Tiny cleanup in ypr0 config file. |
| 15:13:07 | CIA-88 | r31520 build result: All green |
| 15:14:24 | lorenzo92 | kugel: uhm I guess my zip is corrupt, that's why maybe I'm missing some sources....are you dowloading it? |
| 15:14:55 | CIA-88 | r31522 build result: All green |
| 15:15:16 | kugel | I am |
| 15:15:26 | kugel | however I had problems with firefox. now doing it with chromiu |
| 15:15:34 | lorenzo92 | kugel: uhm not, I'm pretty sure they haven't included some sources :(, anyway it fine enough hehe |
| 15:15:36 | kugel | it's huge |
| 15:19:48 | lorenzo92 | yeah, there is a 400 mega zip file inside with patches etc about the imx platform, still not seen. But a maybe interesting thing is the regedit.ko: seems to be used to access i2c? |
| 15:19:52 | lorenzo92 | not sure eh... |
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| 15:45:42 | lorenzo92 | kugel: okay i cannot see: r0Btn, si470x and r0gpio.C (the headers are there, so not very important...) |
| 15:46:12 | lorenzo92 | kugel: I (or you) should ask at least the radio module header! |
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| 15:50:10 | jlbiasini | blubrother: 1) thanks for the commit. 2) what did you mean. by :"There's no need to add keyword lines. With the upcoming transition to git those won't be used anymore." on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12492#comment42053 ? |
| 15:50:43 | jlbiasini | what are those keyword lines? |
| 15:51:03 | jlbiasini | oups bluebrother |
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| 15:52:14 | jlbiasini | bluebrother: 1) thanks for the commit. 2) what did you mean. by :"There's no need to add keyword lines. With the upcoming transition to git those won't be used anymore." on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12492#comment42053 ? |
| 15:54:27 | pamaury | jlbiasini: I committed your last keymap patch |
| 15:54:38 | bluebrother^ | jlbiasini: keywords are those lines with $Id: <something>$. They are replaced by svn automatically if the svn:keywords property is set |
| 15:55:12 | bluebrother^ | we won't be using keywords anymore once we're switched to git |
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| 15:59:12 | jlbiasini | pamaury: thx I'll just saw it! I have a new idee about a counter on the volume up key to avoid the problem with this key being sometime interpreted as power up |
| 15:59:44 | pamaury | what do you mean ? |
| 15:59:47 | jlbiasini | It is something very much like those counter I once set on the two_finger_button |
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| 16:00:11 | jlbiasini | some time volume up get interpreted as power up |
| 16:00:13 | lorenzo92 | kugel: sent another request to samsung :) |
| 16:00:34 | jlbiasini | I suppose this is because of the same line it use as you explain in the code |
| 16:00:43 | pamaury | you mean power ? what "power up" stands for ? |
| 16:00:57 | jlbiasini | <yeah excuse me power!! |
| 16:01:03 | jlbiasini | ;) |
| 16:01:03 | pamaury | I never noticed such a thing |
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| 16:02:29 | pamaury | I can't see what could you do, if it happen then it's a pure hardware problem |
| 16:02:46 | jlbiasini | it happens when one use a lot power key. in the touchpad test screen this is also why it get sometime back to the debug menu |
| 16:03:14 | jlbiasini | in normal use it is not often noticeable |
| 16:03:39 | jlbiasini | but if you mess a little with volume in WPS it can lock your device |
| 16:04:00 | jlbiasini | and if you use those key a lot in game it can be very annoying |
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| 16:05:45 | jlbiasini | My idea is to set a counter that force this signal to be interpreted ad volume up if a volume key was pressed in the last 10 seconds or if the last key pressed was a volume key (i'm not tottaly sure I have to run test about it) |
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| 16:07:01 | jlbiasini | in fact the problem mosty occurs while continuously pressing the volume key: at some point it stop volume up and do power unstead |
| 16:07:04 | pamaury | that sounds wrong, typical usage: press power to lock, press power to unlock, adjust volume and lock again -> the final power will get interpreted as volume up |
| 16:07:57 | jlbiasini | oups good point |
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| 16:08:27 | pamaury | Something like that is more acceptable: if there is a power<->volume transition (ie volume up is hold and power up is hold) in a very short time (<20ms ?), then ignore it |
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| 16:09:10 | jlbiasini | ok |
| 16:09:33 | jlbiasini | I'll will try with that then thanks for the idea |
| 16:15:16 | jlbiasini | bluebrother: thank I understand now. regarding fuze+ manual everything in getting_started and rockbox_interface is ready for the svn. Or should all resting file for fuze+ manual be commited in one patch? |
| 16:17:35 | bluebrother^ | jlbiasini: I usually prefer patches that are smaller if they contain everything necessary for the change. That makes it easier to try and review them. But there's no technical reason to split it up :) |
| 16:19:54 | jlbiasini | actually it could usefull because someone is going also to reread the manual and it will easier to have less file in it |
| 16:20:24 | jlbiasini | *be |
| 16:20:31 | bluebrother^ | you can always post separate patches on the FS task −− or create a new task for it. |
| 16:21:23 | jlbiasini | ah yes right I will commit to separated patch then. I sometime prefer the complicated way :D |
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| 16:32:05 | jlbiasini | pamaury: bluebrother^: while writing the manual I also find out the we have to put a mkimxboot/ on the server with compilated version for win OSX ans linux32/64 |
| 16:32:31 | pamaury | why ? |
| 16:32:48 | jlbiasini | because of the manual installation |
| 16:32:50 | pamaury | mkimxboot is not meant for normal use, it's clearly an advanced tool no ? |
| 16:33:18 | pamaury | do other mk* have a version on the server ? |
| 16:33:25 | bluebrother^ | depends on what you consider "advanced" |
| 16:33:26 | jlbiasini | yes |
| 16:33:30 | jlbiasini | ams |
| 16:33:54 | bluebrother^ | and if you consider manual installation "advanced" (which I do, so it does make sense to have them on the server) |
| 16:34:02 | jlbiasini | mkamsboot in on the server (or at least should be according to the manual) |
| 16:34:10 | bluebrother^ | in either case, just the manual mentioning them doesn't mean we have to provide binaries. |
| 16:34:49 | pamaury | if mkamsboot is on the server then why not, although I'm not convinced something which can't build them will have a use of them |
| 16:34:51 | bluebrother^ | and manual installation is disencouraged anyway |
| 16:34:59 | pamaury | *someone |
| 16:35:01 | pamaury | *who |
| 16:35:44 | bluebrother^ | well, ipodpatcher and sansapatcher work fine for normal end users. All other tools haven't been adjusted to that kind of "user-friendliness" AFAIK |
| 16:35:54 | jlbiasini | mkamsboot manual installation claims that the user has to download the version for his os |
| 16:36:05 | jlbiasini | so I guess those must be binaries |
| 16:36:30 | bluebrother^ | we could also go and remove the manual installation instructions completely from the manual. But that has the drawback that if someone does have problems using Rockbox Utility there is no documentation around anymore. |
| 16:36:45 | bluebrother^ | and having this documentation in the manual can be useful for developers as well. |
| 16:36:47 | pamaury | hum, I'm lying, there is *one* advantage to having them as binary: mkimxboot can build a recovery sb file |
| 16:36:53 | jlbiasini | I just made the manual section be like the ams one but i can cut it out if you rather prefer.... |
| 16:37:12 | bluebrother^ | personally, I like having manual installation instructions in the manual. |
| 16:37:45 | bluebrother^ | it might make sense to move manual installation out of the installation chapter and put it in some "Advanced: manual installation" in the appendix. To make clear normal users shouldn't try it. |
| 16:37:46 | pamaury | ok, I do not object :) |
| 16:38:09 | bluebrother^ | but since that would mean adjusting all manuals I would keep it as-is for now :) |
| 16:38:30 | jlbiasini | why did it need to adjust all manual? |
| 16:38:34 | bluebrother^ | might be interesting to get others opinions on that as well −− I'm not really working on the manual these days |
| 16:38:48 | jlbiasini | this only goes in the new IMX233_install.tex |
| 16:39:37 | bluebrother^ | well, if we move the manual installation instructions in some appendix it should be the case for all manuals. Not just one. Otherwise maintaining it would be more work, plus people should be aware where to point users in case of problems −− either some appending or the manual installation instructions in the installation section. |
| 16:39:51 | bluebrother^ | having this depending on the target is a *very* bad idea IMO |
| 16:39:59 | [Saint] | Huh? If you move the Manual Installation somewhere else...it makes sense to move it for all. |
| 16:40:06 | [Saint] | bah, too late :) |
| 16:40:11 | jlbiasini | ah yeah I get it this is all for the ceremonial rituals of our good community good: consistency :D |
| 16:40:25 | gevaerts | jlbiasini: these aren't ceremonial rituals |
| 16:40:37 | [Saint] | Its common sense ;) |
| 16:40:40 | jlbiasini | yeah I know I'm just joking |
| 16:40:59 | bluebrother^ | jlbiasini: consistency is *always* good and important |
| 16:41:40 | jlbiasini | yes I tottaly agree...and soOO boring to implement |
| 16:42:00 | [Saint] | It is? |
| 16:42:14 | bluebrother^ | I don't mind you being bored :P |
| 16:42:35 | bluebrother^ | making things consistent can be quite interesting though ;-) |
| 16:42:48 | jlbiasini | I don't mind either as far as it is usefull and this definitivly is. |
| 16:43:04 | * | bluebrother^ would like to get more things consistent but fails to find enough time for it |
| 16:43:17 | * | [Saint] too. |
| 16:43:44 | [Saint] | the various differing values for selection in some parts of Rockbox piss me off |
| 16:43:44 | jlbiasini | well there a lot to do about it in the manual |
| 16:44:32 | [Saint] | for instance some settings only let you select units of 1, others units of 5, others units of 10 (I think)...it annoys me. |
| 16:44:37 | bluebrother^ | a complete rework of the manual would be a really good thing imo. Unfortunately that's a *lot* of work |
| 16:44:43 | [Saint] | I'd like to change them all to units of one. |
| 16:45:17 | * | bluebrother^ has a couple of issues with the Rockbox Utility code he'd like to unify |
| 16:45:18 | jlbiasini | I don't understand why we have a general keypad file and then plenty of conditionnal section like : if this device those keys |
| 16:45:56 | [Saint] | Because different devices have different keys/layouts. |
| 16:45:56 | bluebrother^ | making ipodpatcher build as lib instead of compiling its files directly was at least one step. That was bugging me literally for years |
| 16:46:00 | * | jlbiasini would like to help on Rockbox Utility and manual |
| 16:46:28 | bluebrother^ | personally I'd like to see pretty much all \opt{}s in the manual depend on features. |
| 16:46:47 | bluebrother^ | and not some FOO_PAD or player-bar |
| 16:47:00 | jlbiasini | exactly |
| 16:47:08 | bluebrother^ | as I said, a complete rework of the manual would be a good thing IMO :) |
| 16:47:32 | jlbiasini | first I would make all keymap rely on keymaps tex file |
| 16:48:05 | jlbiasini | then I would have those keymaps file automaticly generated from those in rockbox code |
| 16:48:12 | bluebrother^ | that would be a good first step |
| 16:48:18 | [Saint] | You can do it while you write the RaaA manual :) |
| 16:48:32 | bluebrother^ | that automatic generation ... I guess that would become rather hard. |
| 16:48:46 | jlbiasini | why? |
| 16:49:06 | bluebrother^ | because the source code doesn't have "nice" strings to be displayed in the manual |
| 16:49:30 | bluebrother^ | and I bet there are other snakes to hit on the road |
| 16:50:06 | bluebrother^ | another thing I want since long is to use the C preprocessor for the manual instead of the optional package. That's unfortunately a problem, since cpp inserts newlines |
| 16:51:28 | bluebrother^ | on removed text that is |
| 16:51:34 | jlbiasini | I just come out one mouth manual and keymaps stuff and I tell it to you: this has to stop. This is such a pain and could be unified and automatised! It worth definitively a try |
| 16:52:14 | bluebrother^ | what exactly has to stop? |
| 16:52:21 | jlbiasini | third step would be a tool to created keymap in rockboxui |
| 16:53:22 | bluebrother^ | someone updating the Theme Editor would also be a good thing :D |
| 16:53:26 | jlbiasini | to have to write andless keymap file in the code, then to translate it into latex, then to find out where there are still missing keymaps link in the code |
| 16:53:47 | [Saint] | And allow users to lock themselves out of things by messing up the keymap? Sounds fun. |
| 16:54:12 | jlbiasini | lol |
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| 16:54:24 | bluebrother^ | [Saint]: I don't think he was talking about customizable keymaps |
| 16:54:52 | jlbiasini | no that would be the 4th step |
| 16:54:59 | jlbiasini | in 10 years or so... |
| 16:55:02 | jlbiasini | :) |
| 16:55:08 | bluebrother^ | argh :( |
| 16:55:19 | bluebrother^ | building mingw-cross-env on OS X failed yet another time. |
| 16:55:34 | bluebrother^ | something is messed up with macport on this machine :( |
| 16:56:06 | * | [Saint] hates the idea of customizable keymaps with a passion. Its just begging for support issues. |
| 16:56:15 | bluebrother^ | indeed. |
| 16:56:28 | bluebrother^ | though to _some_ degree we have that: customizable hotkey |
| 16:56:35 | bluebrother^ | customizable quickmenu |
| 16:56:47 | [Saint] | You can't say to someone who accidentally changed the language: "press button X 4 times, then Y twice...etc" |
| 16:56:49 | bluebrother^ | s/quickmenu/quickscreen/ |
| 16:57:05 | bluebrother^ | "press red button 3 times" :) |
| 16:57:25 | jlbiasini | costumizable keymaps should be resetable to standart. period |
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| 16:57:43 | [Saint] | And how do you do that, if you fuck up the keymap? |
| 16:57:59 | bluebrother^ | customizable keymaps shouldn't be implemented. Period as well :) |
| 16:58:09 | [Saint] | Amen. |
| 16:58:25 | [Saint] | There's a reason its not there already...its not because its not possible. |
| 16:58:36 | [Saint] | Its a support nightmare. |
| 16:58:52 | jlbiasini | I didn't look the code for customizable keymaps but I thing that anything that as to do with that should end in config.cfg |
| 16:58:55 | bluebrother^ | that brings up the interestig question which keymap to write the manual for :D |
| 16:59:12 | jlbiasini | and if you restet setting this should beresetted as well |
| 16:59:27 | jlbiasini | the standart one |
| 16:59:49 | [Saint] | Alternatively...you could leave a system that works well alone? ;) |
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| 17:00:13 | bluebrother^ | why do we need customizable keymaps anyway? |
| 17:00:20 | [Saint] | We dont. |
| 17:00:33 | jlbiasini | well we re talking about stuff I would implement in 10 year |
| 17:00:34 | pamaury | the only place where we could need it is in plugins, for games |
| 17:00:38 | bluebrother^ | creating usable keymaps is something that isn't easy. I bet most users won't be able to do that in a sensible way _at all_ |
| 17:00:57 | * | [Saint] nods. |
| 17:01:00 | bluebrother^ | in 10 years there aren't DAPs around anymore |
| 17:01:02 | jlbiasini | bluebrother^: good point |
| 17:01:55 | bluebrother^ | the future of Rockbox is some librbplayback (and a couple of others) that is employed by e.g. a native Android application |
| 17:01:58 | [Saint] | I'm interested to hear the answer to "why do we need custom keymaps, and what will it achieve...who benefits from it, and what is the benefit?" |
| 17:02:31 | [Saint] | People that bring it up usually haven't looked at the complicated balet that is our keymaps. |
| 17:03:41 | [Saint] | Blocking, context sensitive keys, situations where X must be pressed before Y...its really amazing it even works now. |
| 17:04:13 | [Saint] | If a user managed to make a halfway usable custom keymap, I'd congratulate them sincerely. |
| 17:04:22 | jlbiasini | [Saint]: I just spend over a mouth on writing those for fuze+ and I keep adding correction every week! It's just that on some device like touchpad there are a lot of possibility with gesture |
| 17:04:57 | * | pamaury was bored after two hours of writing the initial keymap ! :) |
| 17:05:09 | jlbiasini | but as a matter of fact having several hotkey would be rather a better way to solve this |
| 17:05:24 | [Saint] | Let alone writing it with your mouth! that must have ben hard! :P |
| 17:05:30 | [Saint] | *been |
| 17:05:50 | jlbiasini | pamaury reason why we definitivly need a simulator ui to generate keymaps |
| 17:06:12 | jlbiasini | [Saint]: good point also |
| 17:06:16 | [Saint] | I still don't see why. |
| 17:06:23 | [Saint] | Its not something you need to do often. |
| 17:06:27 | [Saint] | Once its done, its done. |
| 17:06:49 | pamaury | who knows what will happen in the next 10 years :) But I do not completely agree, one drawback of phones over mp3 is size and weight. I admit there aren't many situations where you can't/don't want to query a phone though |
| 17:07:05 | bluebrother^ | well, making the sim output the available buttons depending on the context could be useful |
| 17:07:20 | [Saint] | Query? I *interrogate* my phone! :) |
| 17:07:34 | pamaury | *carry |
| 17:07:36 | pamaury | :) |
| 17:07:39 | jlbiasini | [Saint]: you don't but if every time you spare this time for implementing new target, that is quite a speed up |
| 17:08:02 | bluebrother^ | pamaury: I don't think non-phone devices will go away completely. But devices won't be as dedicated anymore −− think of the Ipod Touch. The audio player is pretty much an application. |
| 17:08:19 | bluebrother^ | same would be on any other PDA-like device without phone |
| 17:08:20 | pamaury | even an ipod touch is too big |
| 17:08:57 | pamaury | only really small devices have a future, I think |
| 17:09:03 | bluebrother^ | Nano 6G is way smaller but still similar to the Touch |
| 17:09:27 | [Saint] | its 7 now! |
| 17:09:32 | [Saint] | it got slightly larger. |
| 17:09:40 | jlbiasini | I can't wait for a playstation3 emulator but it rather be a rockbox application in the ps6 |
| 17:09:42 | pamaury | right, but on really small devices you can't do much things ! |
| 17:09:47 | bluebrother^ | I don't know the details, but from using it (had a chance to play around with one for a couple of minutes recently) it's pretty similar to the Touch. No wireless though :) |
| 17:10:34 | [Saint] | bluebrother^: Yeah, I got sent one via the Apple Replacement Program...they ran out of Nano1Gs. |
| 17:10:39 | [Saint] | I'm not a fan of it. |
| 17:10:55 | [Saint] | Pinch gesture on a one inch screen is ridiculous. |
| 17:11:05 | pamaury | [Saint]: that's progress! |
| 17:11:21 | [Saint] | I'd rather I got something I can hack on :) |
| 17:11:58 | bluebrother^ | well, you _could_ do a lot of things on such a device. CPUs are powerful enough. The only limitation is screen size and number of buttons |
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| 17:12:05 | bluebrother^ | [Saint]: 6G or 7G? |
| 17:12:14 | [Saint] | 7 |
| 17:12:20 | bluebrother^ | oh :) |
| 17:12:30 | bluebrother^ | can you add the USB ID to DeviceDetection then? |
| 17:12:34 | [Saint] | I thought it was a 6G when I first looked at it, but then I noticed the box. |
| 17:12:40 | pamaury | size is still a limitation, just considering power dissipation and battery size (and if you add things like wireless) |
| 17:13:08 | bluebrother^ | the 6G had something like "Ipod Nano 6th Generation" in the USB string |
| 17:13:15 | [Saint] | bluebrother^: Sure, I'll fish it out this afternoon. |
| 17:13:24 | pamaury | but I admit that even on small devices, the trend is clearly to put linux :) |
| 17:13:24 | bluebrother^ | great, thanks |
| 17:13:43 | bluebrother^ | pamaury: or OS X, if you're Apple ;-) |
| 17:13:59 | * | pamaury hopes Apple will have died in 10 years :P |
| 17:14:03 | [Saint] | I assume that's wanted for "You're trying to install Foo on a Ber, Bar is not supported"? |
| 17:14:07 | [Saint] | bluebrother^: ^ |
| 17:14:42 | bluebrother^ | OS X 10.6 isn't that bad. The thing I dislike most is the attitude of Apple |
| 17:15:15 | pamaury | the day someone puts windows on a DAP, we'll have become crazy :) |
| 17:15:38 | bluebrother^ | W8 is said to support ARM ... |
| 17:15:47 | bluebrother^ | and btw, the Beast does run Windows. |
| 17:15:55 | pamaury | it's wince ? |
| 17:15:58 | bluebrother^ | yeps |
| 17:16:03 | pamaury | that's not quite windows |
| 17:16:06 | * | [Saint] winces |
| 17:16:38 | bluebrother^ | it has Windows in it! |
| 17:16:45 | bluebrother^ | (and it's dog slow) |
| 17:18:54 | bluebrother^ | or rather "Windows Mobile" as it identifies itself |
| 17:19:03 | TheLemonMan | is there a quick way of seeing what asm is outputted for a specific piece of code ? |
| 17:19:25 | bluebrother^ | try −−keep-temps in the gcc call |
| 17:20:02 | bluebrother^ | sorry, -save-temps |
| 17:20:22 | TheLemonMan | the dma hangs forever if i dont put a printf between it and the previous function call |
| 17:20:23 | bluebrother^ | for foo.c you'll then get a file foo.i |
| 17:20:35 | TheLemonMan | ill try when i get home, thanks :) |
| 17:21:17 | bluebrother^ | ah, and you get foo.s |
| 17:21:26 | bluebrother^ | just had to verify that from the gcc manpage :) |
| 17:21:33 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: dma on which device ? |
| 17:21:42 | pamaury | peripheral rather |
| 17:21:50 | TheLemonMan | NAND0 |
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| 17:22:30 | TheLemonMan | it also doesnt raise any interrupt too but havent investigated this problem very much |
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| 18:03:47 | bluebrother^ | wtf? chinachippatcher doesn't build on OS X anymore? |
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| 18:26:46 | K0DD4Z | Can somebody here help me with my SanDisk Sansa Clip+? |
| 18:30:12 | K0DD4Z | I can not get RockBox too work, and it is impossible to reinstall the original firmware, so it is basicallt non-working. |
| 18:31:32 | dfkt | hold the left button while connecting it to usb, then it will boot the stock firmware |
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| 18:36:29 | * | bluebrother^ can now build Rockbox Utility libs on OS X without doing everything twice :) |
| 18:38:12 | bluebrother^ | now to make that working with cross compiling for Windows as well |
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| 19:00:38 | riek | hey there. my old sansa e260 with rockbox broke and i don't know which mp3 player to buy, can anyone recommend me a good rockbox player? |
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| 19:01:58 | funman | riek: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide |
| 19:03:01 | riek | uh tanks, didn't find that page yet |
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| 19:07:08 | K0DD4Z | dfkt, i cannot get it too work. Nothing happens when i do that. |
| 19:08:29 | K0DD4Z | Oh, now i discovered what was wrong with the power button reset! It was supposed to be plugged in when i pushed it! |
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| 19:41:11 | dreamlayers | Should . and .. be made to always work, or is just fixing FS #12500 sufficient? |
| 19:41:12 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12500 /./ is invalid when not using dircache, so HOME_DIR breaks things (bugs, new) |
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| 19:51:36 | funman | bluebrother: ping |
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| 19:57:28 | dfkt | is the rockbox "cube" logo available in higher resolution somewhere? the logo that's used eg. in the silk and tango icon sets |
| 19:57:30 | saratoga | is support for the fuze+ already in the svn version of rbutil? |
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| 20:05:54 | funman | can ep0 be used for IN and OUT transfers simultaneously ? |
| 20:11:06 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: it would be interesting to enable multi-keystroke in the R0: so I wait for samsung if they can release both r0Btn + si470x sources, otherwise we could have a try using directly r0GPIO module to read keypad ;) |
| 20:12:17 | pamaury | funman: depends on wat you mean simultaneously |
| 20:12:27 | pamaury | you can configure both IN and OUT transfers yes |
| 20:13:21 | pamaury | but on the wire, there is only transaction happening at a given time, and there are several transactions in each frame (basically each for one ep+dir) |
| 20:16:35 | funman | in usb driver logic |
| 20:16:44 | funman | we save e.g. status / active state by endpoint |
| 20:17:06 | funman | i wonder if ep0 can be active in both dirs at the same time and if we need to save state by endpoint, by dir |
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| 20:20:58 | kugelp | lorenzo92: good idea |
| 20:24:25 | pamaury | funman: yes, for ep0 you need to track both direction |
| 20:25:21 | funman | ok |
| 20:25:35 | funman | i wonder why it works without it for nano2g |
| 20:26:31 | pamaury | of course if you prefer you can enforce a certain order since anyway all transaction on ep0 have to be: setup,in/out/out/in(ack) |
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| 20:35:43 | lorenzo92 | kugelp: did you see the sources? :) |
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| 20:47:05 | jlbiasini | pamaury: FS #12405 new patch to get the power and volume up act correctly |
| 20:47:05 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12405 Improve touchpad implementation for the fuzeplus's port (patches, unconfirmed) |
| 20:48:09 | jlbiasini | tested on touchpad screen, on rockboy tetris and wps |
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| 20:54:56 | kugelp | lorenzo92: some of them |
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| 21:26:39 | saratoga | bluebrother: once fuze+ support goes in, it would be nice to do another release |
| 21:26:47 | saratoga | the zip and fuze+ are increasingly popular targets |
| 21:28:25 | gevaerts | i |
| 21:28:27 | gevaerts | i |
| 21:28:29 | gevaerts | gah |
| 21:28:30 | gevaerts | I |
| 21:28:35 | * | gevaerts apologises |
| 21:29:14 | gevaerts | I've been thinking about not waiting too long with 3.11 too. We've had a lot of new features even between branching and releasing... |
| 21:31:34 | gevaerts | But then we took an entire month between branching and releasing |
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| 21:41:50 | pamaury | jlbiasini: your patch is fine except that I would prefer a comment to explicit the fallback in the switch |
| 21:46:05 | jlbiasini | pamaury: fallback in the switch? what do you mean? |
| 21:46:44 | jlbiasini | pamaury ok* |
| 21:46:52 | jlbiasini | I get it |
| 21:51:04 | pamaury | just add /* fallback */ after the if(...) break; |
| 21:54:29 | kugelp | fall through you mean? |
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| 21:59:53 | jlbiasini | pamaury: ok I did not understood it ;) so done. |
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| 22:06:10 | pamaury | yeah, fallthrough, sorry |
| 22:06:18 | jlbiasini | arg |
| 22:06:55 | jlbiasini | ok can you modify it in the file directly before commiting? |
| 22:07:15 | pamaury | yes |
| 22:07:32 | jlbiasini | thanks |
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| 22:34:33 | [Saint] | kugel: Do you happen to know what's needed to add ffwd/rwd to the .sbs? |
| 22:35:04 | [Saint] | Not being able to seek in all screens is starting to annoy me. |
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