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04:32:25eclecticI'm trying to do a manual install of rockbox on my clip zip
04:32:40eclecticbut cannot seem to find the bootloader for it
04:33:16eclecticis there one, or do I have to wait a while yet as I am not a developer?
04:33:54funmaneclectic: look on anythingbutipod forums
04:34:32eclecticok, i did, but i'll try again, thanks.
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05:23:10CIA-88New commit by funman (r31529): new include directory for targets with common SoC : cpu/soc ...
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05:23:40funmanpossibly with red included
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05:27:27funmanalso breaks ccache (new -I argument)
05:27:40CIA-88r31530 build result: 3 errors, 0 warnings (funman committed)
05:28:40funmanhum ata-target.h had non-PP specific code
05:30:28funmanor at least advertised so
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05:47:30CIA-88New commit by funman (r31535): Fix path to PP USB bootloader crt0
05:47:47OsixLast night I asked for some help in getting my media to play on my fuze+. Never mind. The workaround in FS #12447 was my solution.
05:47:47fs-bluebot [FUZE+]File of different format (flac, mpc, ogg, aac) being skipped. (bugs, unconfirmed)
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05:51:01funmanthere is still something that could be done for PP *.lds
05:52:38funmancan i claim the MrSomeone's task as done?
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06:06:20JdGordonfunman: sure :)
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06:50:26godzirraHeya guys. If I wanted to get a device that was similar to an ipod (I have an ipod classic that finally died) but supported rockbox well, what would you guys recommend?
06:50:34godzirraI liked the old cowon mp3 players,but they're all touch screen based now.
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12:07:36dfktdoes anyone happen to have that a higher-res version of that rockbox cube logo, presumably made by jeanreno from the misticriver forums, ages ago? it was linked here -,6202.210.html
12:08:09dfktit is also used in some icon sets - silk and tango, methinks
12:09:41dfktbetter link -,6202.msg73616.html#msg73616
12:13:32lorenzo92kugel: hi! I was adapting the headphone sense using the new samsung header :)
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13:32:40lorenzo92kugel: okay headphone sense is working fine again :)
13:33:01lorenzo92kugel: this time I included also some ioctl to initialize the gpio pin, as done in OF
13:37:36lorenzo92I'll send you the patch in few mins
13:43:52lorenzo92kugel: here it is!
13:44:52lorenzo92tell me how does it look :)
13:59:34lorenzo92kugel: slightly improved patch ;)
14:00:06lorenzo92I think this should be quite ready to commit, what do you think?
14:01:23kugellorenzo92: put it on the tracker please
14:01:37lorenzo92yeah indeed
14:02:14lorenzo92do I create another ticket or the same for R0?
14:04:02lorenzo92kugel: forgot to address the question to you :)
14:07:09lorenzo92 added
14:09:19kugelwill have a look this evening
14:16:16kugellorenzo92: does the OF have this feature?
14:16:45lorenzo92kugel: yes but it does only pause, not resume after reinsertion :)
14:17:29lorenzo92kugel: ah btw, I finally discovered that the OF uses the gpio to check sd insertion too ;)
14:17:39lorenzo92...the same pin I discovered!
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14:38:19jlbiasinibluebrother: FS #12505
14:38:20fs-bluebot Missing key link in bubbles.tex (bugs, unconfirmed)
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15:57:16hurdmani had a rockbox on a iPod nano 2nd Gen
15:57:22hurdmani have tried to update it
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15:57:31hurdmani have crash :/
15:57:40hurdmannow i can only get the iLoader
15:57:48hurdmanwhat should i do ?
16:00:40hurdman( i have try to fdisk / vfat, restore with itunes, use rockbox utilities and/or ipodpatcher )
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16:01:19CIA-88New commit by mortalis (r31537): rk27xx: Fix cache broken in r31339. Remove deprecated aliases.
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16:27:35mortaliswhy is build taking so long?
16:28:39gevaertsmortalis: "traditionally", stuck builds tend to be caused by a network glitch on the server. I believe it will timeout in a few minutes
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16:29:39CIA-88r31537 build result: All green
16:39:18jlbiasiniJdGordon: It would be nice to have your idea about this FS #12507 because lebellium claims his Theme to be 100% following rockbox standart so that it should be a rockbox bug
16:39:19fs-bluebot lebellium Samsung-like Theme causing rockbox crash on usb connection (bugs, unconfirmed)
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16:48:49tottto-drummond'just installed Rockbox on my Sansa e200.. super..
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16:54:58y4nbecause it was the first thing I did after using it
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16:57:03tottto-drummondgood idea !!!
16:57:56CIA-88New commit by jethead71 (r31538): Gigabeat S: Dump some now-irrelevant comments.
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17:36:22godzirraHeya guys. If I wanted to get a device that was similar to an ipod (I have an ipod classic that finally died) but supported rockbox well, what would you guys recommend? I like the old non touch screen cowon's, but I don't want a wannabe ipod touch. (Or a real ipod touch for that matter)
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17:56:19godzirraAnyone? :)
17:57:27orzoRecommend a sansa device
17:57:43gevaertsgodzirra: what does "similar to an ipod" mean exactly?
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17:58:04orzoi've seen it on e280 and on sansa fuze
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17:58:32orzoits pretty nice on either, fuze seems to have an issue where you need to boot the original firmware to charge
17:58:36godzirragevaerts: Fairly small, more than just a text based screen? I'd like cover art but its not a huge deal. Basically something small that will take my whole music collection (32 gigs or so) and isn't touch screen.
17:58:56godzirraorzo: You have to reboot it to charge?
17:59:00godzirraThat seems like a pain.
17:59:20orzoi guess, my gf doesnt seem to mind
17:59:34gevaertsI'm not aware of any such issue
17:59:40orzoi have the e280 and mine is less powered than hers
18:00:11orzomaybe it was original firmware to load files from the computer...
18:00:19orzoanyway, there was something rockbox wouldnt do
18:00:28gevaertsThe fuzev2 doesn't do USB in the 3.10 release in rockbox (although that changed in the current builds), but as far as I know it charges just fine
18:00:38godzirraDo any of the sansa's have ~30 gigs of space? The biggest one I was looking at was 16gigs?
18:00:44orzosorry, i probably misremembered
18:01:04gevaertsgodzirra: the fuze has a microsdhc slot that can take 32GB cards
18:01:10orzogodzirra: 32meg microsd are cheapish now
18:01:26godzirraAh, so I can get the 4gig one and just toss a 32 gig card in it?
18:01:52godzirragevaerts: and if I do a current build, I don't have to reboot to original firmware for charging or loading of music?
18:01:55Tornenote that you may have trouble upgrading to anything larger in the future
18:02:01godzirraAh, hrm.
18:02:03godzirraGood point.
18:02:08Torne64gb microsd cards are still somewhat.. terrifying
18:02:37orzogodzirra: on fuzev2, you will have to boot original firmware for something, probably loading music
18:02:38godzirraI'm sitting right at 31 gigs, so that may be a poor choice. Hm.
18:02:54orzooh wait
18:02:55gevaertsorzo: *not* in the current build
18:02:55orzoits fixed?
18:03:06orzoi can't wait to tell my gf
18:03:11godzirraAny suggestions other than a fuze though? Are there any good players that have a lot of storage space that aren't sdhc cards?
18:03:24Tornethere are virtually no players being made any more that have hard disks
18:03:29godzirraGod, that sucks.
18:03:31Torneand if you are after >32GB capacity then you are talking about a hard disk
18:03:39Torne(for now)
18:03:41godzirraI miss my old iriver.
18:03:57Tornethe ipod classic is the only notable one that i can think of, if you want something that's actaulyl still being manufactured
18:04:07godzirraThe ipod classic doesn't support rockbox I thought?
18:04:11Tornepersonally i am very happy with my ipodvideo
18:04:14godzirraOr not well, since power consumption on it is horrible?
18:04:24Lalufuif you can get hold of a ipod mini you can stick a CF-Card in it
18:04:28Tornewhich is supported just a-ok by rockbox and if you get a replacement battery they last ages
18:04:36Lalufu32GB is rather cheap, 64GB less so
18:04:36godzirra... a CF card? on an ipod mini?
18:04:38Torne(all the original batteries are getting rather old by now)
18:04:51gevaertsThe rockbox port for the classic isn't considered to be enduser ready yet, although some people use it
18:05:09godzirragevaerts: Yeah, I was talking to someone about it the other day (week?) and they said that battery life was < 8 hours.
18:05:10Lalufugodzirra: works like a dream, and improves the battery life considerably :)
18:05:24godzirraLalufu: I didn't even know you could put a cf card in any apple device.
18:05:39Lalufuit's not quite officially supported.
18:05:41Tornethe mini has a CF microdrive in it normally
18:05:53Torneyou can replace it with a solid state cf card instead
18:06:00Torneit's not a slot, you have to open it up
18:06:03godzirraHuh. I didn't know that.
18:06:22LalufuThey're all out of warranty, anyway.
18:07:12godzirraWhat's the max size you can put in there?
18:07:38LalufuI haven't tried a 64GB card, as those are rather expensive.
18:07:43Lalufu32GB works, on a 2g
18:07:51godzirraHrm, 64 is rather expensive.
18:07:55godzirrawhich means I'm still looking at buying something else.
18:08:16Tornecehck the price on an 80gb ipod video on ebay ;P
18:08:30orzoi <3 rockbox
18:10:09godzirraorzo: Yeah, I had an old iriver h120 that had rockbox and it was fantastic.
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19:03:08kugelis there a cmd line tool to parse xml?
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19:15:21kugeldoes make have some magic to detect if it created objects itself or other processes?
19:15:46kugeleclipse updates X.class (due to auto compilation), but make doesnt see it and re-compiles X.class
19:16:00kugelX.class is clearly newer than before running make
19:16:11kugeli verified that
19:16:13Torneno, it doesn't.
19:16:32Torneeither you are mistaken about hte mtimes or your makefile dependencies are wrong
19:17:29kugelchecked with ls -l −−time-style=full-iso
19:18:05Tornewell, if you are sure then it's a different dependency causing it to be rebuilt :)
19:19:21TorneActually, how far apart were the times before?
19:21:31kugelunder a second
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19:24:01Torneeh, it doesn't matter
19:24:10Torneanyway, i suspect you have a dependency you aren't considering
19:27:18Tornemake is limited by the resolution of your filesystem's mtimes, but ls is showing the same resolution, and even if two files have the exact same mtime it will consider that up to date.
19:27:25Torneso, yeah. some other dependency.
19:32:15kugelthere's only one further dependency,, that's minutes older
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19:43:00kugelit's annoying that make doesnt "accept" eclipse's class files
19:43:18kugelhowever, at least it's the other way around with newer android sdk versions
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19:49:23saratogakugel: is FS #12507 likely to be a buflib problem?
19:49:24fs-bluebot lebellium Samsung-like Theme causing rockbox crash on usb connection (bugs, unconfirmed)
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20:07:45hurdmani had a rockbox on a iPod nano 2nd Gen
20:07:50hurdmani have tried to update it
20:07:54hurdmannow i can only get the iLoader
20:07:58hurdman( i have try to fdisk / vfat, restore with itunes, use rockbox utilities and/or ipodpatcher )
20:08:02hurdmanwhat should i do ?
20:09:05gevaertshurdman: I believe iLoader is done by the freemyipod people. You'll probably find more people who know about that in #freemyipod
20:09:43hurdmangevaerts: ok thanks
20:10:07bluebrother^if you restored with Itunes there shouldn't be any iloader on the player
20:10:45jlbiasinipamaury: oups! I forgot to take two finger button out of simulatorui! do you want a patch?
20:11:47hurdmanbluebrother^: there's one
20:12:49bluebrother^that's strange
20:13:15bluebrother^or is it some flased emcore?
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20:14:45bluebrother^jlbiasini: I've started working on mkimxboot integration for Rockbox Utility. Changed some things.
20:15:21bluebrother^I guess I should be able to get that finished soon
20:15:50bluebrother^(busy with family stuff atm)
20:16:58hurdmanbluebrother^: it looks like a sort off encrypted boot flash into the ipod
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20:33:29kugelheh, nice, the java parts can now be build with ant
20:33:52kugelsaratoga: everything seems likely to be a buflib problem these days :)
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21:13:06kugelthomasjfox: :)
21:13:11kugelwaited for ypi :P
21:13:51thomasjfoxYou mean before updating the patch? ;)
21:14:02kugelgive me a second
21:14:22thomasjfoxEasy, I can also test the current version
21:14:43*gevaerts asks kugel's opinion on,29923.0.html
21:15:09kugelthomasjfox: updated
21:15:43thomasjfoxgevaerts: Might be worth to run a sim via valgrind and do the same action as the user did
21:16:20kugelgevaerts: hm, I checked pf repeatedly, so probably be some of the more recent buflib changes
21:17:06gevaertsThere have been several fixes to buflib since 3.10 I believe. Would backporting those be safe?
21:17:17gevaerts(and not too difficult...)
21:18:45kugelgevaerts: didnt the user report that 3.10 works, while current svn doesnt?
21:19:07kugeloh, he meant a current build with latest release
21:19:36kugelwell, there's some other bugs that are possibly buflib related so I wouldnt call it safe just yet
21:20:12kugelthomasjfox: on maemo nothing should change, battery level and remaining as the OS reports them
21:21:12gevaertsTo be honest, I'm not sure if we should spend time backporting too many fixes. Trunk seems to be in good shape, and the 3.10 release was a bit of a mess, so I think I prefer an early 3.11 (maybe near the end of the month?) over a 3.10.1
21:23:55thomasjfoxkugel: Ok. Let's see if it compiles out of the box *fingers crossed*
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21:24:57gevaertsAlthough I think details might depend on the git migration. I'd *really* like to have an auto-built stable branch close to releases so we'd have continuous RC builds, hosted on the server where rbutil can get at them easily
21:25:36Torneon that subject i'm voting for "let's do that as soon as zagor/me/you/others are available"
21:26:19jlbiasinibluebrother^: ok good! But wasn't it already ok? What did you had to change?
21:26:21*kugel is in the asap camp
21:26:40Tornewell by voting i mean i'm declaring we are ready and can fix stuff up afterward
21:26:48*gevaerts sees too many useful things depending on the git migration to want to postpone it :)
21:28:03jlbiasinibluebrother^: alternatively if change are not very complicated and you are busy, just tell me what to do and I will work further on it
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21:38:00alnilamHi folks, I recently updated rockbox on my sansa clip+ to version 3.10, and now it seems unable to connect to a computer via USB - it simply charges. But before, I could connect via USB even running rockbox.
21:38:50alnilamSo I rebooted in the original firmware, made sure it's in MSC mode - it is. Under the orig. firmware, I could connect fine, and so I downgraded to the older version of rockbox I had, which now once again lets me connect via USB.
21:39:33gevaertsalnilam: which version were you running before? USB has been disabled on clip+ for a *long* time... (it's enabled again since one or two weeks in the development builds)
21:40:56alnilamOh, I didn't know that! It's a custom build that someone made when rockbox did not support SDHC cards. This build did. I notice that now 3.10 supports SDHC, hooray!
21:41:19gevaertshm, right. A custom built could have had usb enabled
21:41:20alnilamthe build number issss...r29143M-110126
21:42:45alnilamokay, I think that answers my question then
21:42:48alnilamabout why it stopped working
21:42:59alnilamit is deliberately disabled... were the developers having issues with USB?
21:43:17gevaertsThere were some nasty issues with it, yes
21:43:48alnilamOkay, thanks :) unless you have any other words of advice, I guess that's all I needed
21:43:52gevaertsWe believe they're now fixed, but 3.10 doesn't have those fixes yet
21:44:07alnilamOkay, I'll keep a closer eye on the dev page then!
21:44:57alnilamThanks a lot, and big thanks to all rockbox developers, we users really appreciate it
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21:51:32kugelthomasjfox: does it work?
21:51:58thomasjfoxkugel: Still updating my dev box / rockbox tree
21:52:11thomasjfoxkugel: Will try in a second
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21:54:37kugelthomasjfox: oh okay
21:59:10CIA-88New commit by thomasjfox (r31540): Fix warning about missing newline at the EOF
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22:00:47kugellorenzo92: heh, just a tip. "X == 1 ? true : false" is a bit too much
22:01:20kugelX == 1 returns a boolean already
22:01:21CIA-88r31540 build result: All green
22:01:30lorenzo92kugel: uhm haha you're right
22:01:39lorenzo92kugel: don't know why I used this lol
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22:03:28thomasjfoxkugel: This one is easy to fix: "firmware/powermgmt.c:228: error: expected ';' before '}' token"
22:03:31kugellorenzo92: your patch looks fine otherwise
22:03:44lorenzo92kugel: good :)
22:04:05lorenzo92kugel: I tested it in runtime for some hours and seems working fine
22:04:12kugelI think I'll commit it right away
22:04:19lorenzo92great ;)
22:04:38thomasjfoxkugel: What about this one: "firmware/powermgmt.c:301: error: 'powermgmt_est_runningtime_min' undeclared" ?
22:06:33thomasjfoxkugel: same for: "firmware/powermgmt.c:386: error: 'battery_millivolts' undeclared"
22:06:43thomasjfoxLooks like some define is missing
22:08:12kugellorenzo92: gah, I messed something up
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22:09:13lorenzo92kugel: headphone sense the other way round? :)
22:10:43lorenzo92kugel: ah! that's why I used the ? trick maybe!
22:13:16kugelno, I meant local messup of my commit :)
22:13:44[7]bluebrother^: the later iloader versions are installing to the NOR flash as well
22:13:45kugelthomasjfox: unfortunately maemo has a strange build system, or I could fix it myself
22:14:32thomasjfoxkugel: I recently thought we could do the same trick as for the ypr0 and just provide the needed precompiled libs + our toolchain
22:14:58thomasjfoxbut I guess that would just be a too big binary blob and a maintenance mess
22:15:12CIA-88New commit by kugel (r31541): Adjust a few makefiles to generate smaller (upto 80%) binaries on RaaA through ...
22:15:19CIA-88New commit by kugel (r31542): android: Adjust gcc/linker cmdline. Fixes build with ndk r7.
22:15:23CIA-88New commit by kugel (r31543): android: Update build system for recent SDK versions and target ice cream sandwich. ...
22:15:28CIA-88New commit by kugel (r31544): ypr0: Enable headphone detection ...
22:15:38thomasjfoxkugel: I'm currently tracing the value of CONFIG_BATTERY_MEASURE
22:15:51kugelit's on config/maemo.h
22:16:46CIA-88r31541 build result: All green
22:16:54thomasjfoxkugel: Have you thought about prefixing the config options? TIME_MEASURE could be anything...
22:18:38CIA-88r31544 build result: All green
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22:20:59thomasjfoxkugel: The definition of the missing variable is inside "#if !(CONFIG_BATTERY_MEASURE & TIME_MEASURE)" in powermgmt.c
22:21:44thomasjfoxkugel: So either the variable is missing or the wrong code gets compiled in later on in line 301
22:25:37kugelthomasjfox: try to replace that with "#if ((CONFIG_BATTERY_MEASURE & TIME_MEASURE) == 0)", IIRC I had problems with ! there before
22:25:44lovasoaHey, when I get an alert message while I'm in the WPS, the screen doesn't update correctly after the end of the message's timeout: I can still see half of the message. Is it a known bug?
22:30:53thomasjfoxkugel: Not sure if that will help, for maemo CONFIG_BATTERY_MEASURE also sets the TIME_MEASURE bit
22:31:11saratogaare long m4a files expected to work now?
22:33:19thomasjfoxkugel: same thing
22:35:19kugelgevaerts: does that look okay for a toolchain upgrade?
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22:38:22kugelthomasjfox: in line 528?
22:38:38*kugel hacks that defines into the sdl app just to compile
22:39:53thomasjfoxkugel: I'm talking about firmwared/export/config/nokian900.h
22:40:10thomasjfoxThere is sets "#define CONFIG_BATTERY_MEASURE (PERCENTAGE_MEASURE|TIME_MEASURE)"
22:40:37kugelyea, I receive an error on line 528
22:40:39thomasjfox"static int powermgmt_est_runningtime_min;" is only defined if TIME_MEASURE is not present
22:40:48bluebrother^[7]: that's what I was thinking about :) Wasn't aware that later iloader does that as well.
22:40:48kugelwhich is within VOLTAGE_MEASURE
22:40:52thomasjfoxSo I get an error on line 301
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22:41:17kugelargh, stupid preprocessor
22:41:48bluebrother^jlbiasini: there have been a couple of issues. The most annoying one is that mkimxboot takes quite long to complete, and during that time the UI blocks which is really ugly.
22:42:09bluebrother^so I've moved that call into a separate thread, but that causes some changes.
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22:42:47bluebrother^also, I'm not happy with that 70% battery power installation hint. It's way too specific.
22:43:09kugelthomasjfox: try defining NO_LOW_BATTERY_SHUTDOWN
22:43:11bluebrother^what if we get another device supported that requires 80%? And why 70% at all? Why not 71%?
22:43:15kugelthe sdl app does compile with that one
22:44:08bluebrother^IMO we should either instruct the user to make sure the device is charged but not mention a specific level of charge. This should be enough to make sure the user has charged its player.
22:44:29thomasjfoxkugel: If it define NO_LOW_XXX, then the error on line 386 is gone. The one on 301 stays
22:44:42kugelthomasjfox: oh, and undef CURRENT_* please :)
22:44:44bluebrother^or not mention it at all, since a requirement to have the battery charged before upgrading the firmware is something that should be covered by the OF firmware update description in the vendors manual
22:45:08bluebrother^It's also not related to retrieving the OF, which is what ofHint() is about.
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22:45:34bluebrother^and your latest patch is still using a fixed filename for a temporary file. That's a no-no.
22:46:05bluebrother^but anyway, I'm mostly through it so I don't see much point in you fixing things I've already changed :)
22:47:25thomasjfoxkugel: almost got it
22:47:26bluebrother^btw, I don't see a point in telling the user to check the Rockbox manual on how to boot the original firmware on bootloader installation. Bootloader installation means that there is no Rockbox bootloader on the player, and in that case there is no dual boot to handle on starting the player :)
22:47:36thomasjfoxkugel: One more error left: "firmware/target/hosted/maemo/maemo-thread.c:176: undefined reference to `battery_status_update'"
22:48:09thomasjfoxkugel: Can I just remove it?
22:48:28CIA-88New commit by bluebrother (r31545): Remove trailing whitespaces.
22:49:05kugelthomasjfox: yes
22:49:07thomasjfoxkugel: IIRC the new code should just hand over the 'maemo_battery_level' value if asked to
22:49:37kugelthat's correct
22:50:17CIA-88r31545 build result: All green
22:52:21CIA-88New commit by bluebrother (r31546): Update displayed settings on startup. ...
22:53:24gevaertskugel: I'd do that in several stages. Add the new toolchain, then when it's installed on a few build clients update builds, and then when everyone has upgraded remove the old one
22:54:16CIA-88r31546 build result: All green
22:55:29kugelgevaerts: I don't think the old one still works
22:55:49kugelsince I changed the target to android-15
22:56:22kugelthere are only two clients providing android, one of them is my build client which is updated already
22:56:26kugelthe other one is zagor
22:56:28kugelor are there more?
22:56:39gevaertsI don't know. Zagor can check
22:56:53gevaertsIf it's only those two, yes, you can do a coordinated single upgrade round
22:57:53gevaertsIt's just that IIRC declaring toolchains on the commandline that aren't recognised isn't allowed, so changing the list of known toolchains needs a bit of care
22:58:01gevaertsI could be wrong there though
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22:59:44kugelah you mean to keep the android-30 line to not have clients being kicked off?
23:00:00kugelmakes sense
23:00:31kugelsaturn-amiconn also builds android
23:01:06gevaertsThe server logs what every client declares, so that's easy to check for the right people
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23:02:06thomasjfoxkugel: Got the new build up and running
23:02:16thomasjfoxkugel: Battery percentage shows the correct value
23:02:52thomasjfoxkugel: "Runtime left" went from "5 hours 0 minutes" to "0 hours -1 minutes"
23:03:32thomasjfoxI'll add debug printfs to the returned values in maemo-thread.c
23:06:59bluebrother^Torne: do we already have some gitweb for the git repository? Would be really useful to be able adjusting scripts before the actual transition.
23:07:00thomasjfoxkugel: Oh wait, there's a new "View battery" debug menu
23:07:32thomasjfoxkugel: Strangely I don't see any "Estimation: xyz minutes" or "Estimation: n/a" print out
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23:08:30Tornebluebrother^: we don't, no
23:08:30kugeltry in powermgmt.c
23:08:33kugelthomasjfox: ^
23:08:42kugelreplace battery_time() with that
23:08:54bluebrother^I hope it's planned though?
23:09:21kugelthomasjfox: that seems strange, it should print _something_ at least :)
23:09:59thomasjfoxkugel: It shows "battery 86%"
23:10:14thomasjfoxand in the next line "86%-87% (1%)"
23:10:29kugelthere are several pages
23:10:30thomasjfoxand now it's drawing some nice chart
23:10:46thomasjfoxah ok
23:10:47thomasjfoxgot id
23:10:49kugelI don'T think you can flip through them using the touchscreen though :)
23:11:04kugelwith grid mode perhaps
23:11:06thomasjfoxEstimation n/a is finnaly there
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23:12:22jlbiasinibluebrother^: hello
23:12:39jlbiasinibluebrother^: to answer in the order
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23:13:27jlbiasini70% is the hint from manufacturer while performing firmware upgrade
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23:13:51thomasjfoxkugel: The last fix from works
23:14:08jlbiasinia simple way would be to ask the user to refer to his device documentation on how to perform a firmware upgrade.
23:14:08kugelthat's nice
23:14:29thomasjfoxkugel: I'll stress the battery a little to see if it gets updated
23:14:56*thomasjfox likes JdGordon's work on the theme in trunk
23:15:13jlbiasinibluebrother^: about the fact it has nothing to do with OF I know and I agree
23:15:48kugelthomasjfox: what did he do?
23:16:06thomasjfoxkugel: The cabbie theme now has a volume slider that pops up
23:16:13kugelthat was me, though :)
23:16:31*thomasjfox likes kugel's work on the theme in trunk
23:17:19jlbiasinibluebrother^: regarding booting into OF, on a bootloader upgrade the user wil not be able to upgrade if does not boot into OF, same about uninstalling
23:17:58funmanbluebrother^: ping
23:18:06jlbiasinianyway this is anoying to have all that in the code, and this is all in my manual patch anyway
23:18:07bluebrother^funman: pong
23:18:16jlbiasiniso you can take it out
23:18:18funmanwhy do you force osx build with 10.4 sdk?
23:18:29funman-mmacosx-min-version isn't enough?
23:18:51bluebrother^never checked. It was that way when I started working on OS X.
23:19:30funmanperhaps you know apple phased out ppc and doesn't give ppc sdk anymore
23:20:03bluebrother^jlbiasini: telling the user to start the original firmware should be enough even for an update IMO. Users should know what they are doing after all :)
23:20:31bluebrother^funman: if we want ppc support we need to build against the 10.4 SDK
23:21:02bluebrother^and while I tend to consider dropping ppc support we currently still have it, so we need to use gcc-4.0 and the old SDK
23:21:06kugelthomasjfox: thanks for helping
23:21:15bluebrother^is there any problem with using that SDK?
23:21:21thomasjfoxkugel: You're welcome
23:21:26jlbiasinibluebrother^: yeah right anyway this goes into the manual
23:21:34funmanbluebrother^: yes it's not available
23:21:46funmani only did a i386 build of mkamsboot 1.5
23:22:05jlbiasiniso that we will be able to tell them in a smug way RTFM! :D
23:22:12thomasjfoxkugel: Should we do one more round with an "final" updated patch?
23:22:13funmanapple ships xcode4.2 with 10.6 sdk (which is i386 only)
23:22:48bluebrother^jlbiasini: that's how I'm planning to do it:
23:24:16bluebrother^funman: urgh. That's 10.7 only, right?
23:25:12kugelthomasjfox: will put it up in a minute
23:25:15funmanno it works on 10.6 too
23:25:21bluebrother^hmm. I'm still on 10.6 (and currently not planning to update)
23:25:37jlbiasinibluebrother^: the only slight difference that make it a little more sensible on the fuze+ is that you don't perform an upgrade through a menu or something like that. Praticaly, a soon as the user unplug his device (and in fact as soon as it safely remove it) the player start updating
23:26:07jlbiasinithis is why I was a little over caring on this subject
23:26:09funmanbluebrother^: anyway, is it possible to download 10.4 SDK?
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23:26:36bluebrother^funman: no idea −− I'm still using the XCode that came with 10.6 which does have the 10.4 SDK
23:26:55funmanwhich version is that?
23:26:59bluebrother^which is XCode 3.something
23:27:29bluebrother^I _think_ you can still download it if you log in to Apple's devcenter. Haven't tried since a while though
23:28:06funmantrying to do that, will report when Big Brother knows all about me and allows me to download stuff
23:29:10jlbiasinikugel: you are working on theme, would you mind having a look at this FS #12507
23:29:11fs-bluebot lebellium Samsung-like Theme causing rockbox crash on usb connection (bugs, unconfirmed)
23:29:18bluebrother^apart from that, since we have a configuration option for Rockbox Utility to build an Intel only binary it would make sense to respect that when building the libs as well. I guess I need to look into that some time :)
23:29:35saratogawhy do you have to remove the SD card when installing a fuze+ update?
23:30:39jlbiasinibluebrother^: I hit new snake (actually the old one :) ) on the manual FS #12508
23:30:39fs-bluebot [snake plugins] Manual claims for a button to change level which doesn't exist in the code (bugs, unconfirmed)
23:31:22bluebrother^jlbiasini: noticed that. I'll try to finish the mkimxboot stuff first though :)
23:31:44jlbiasinisaratoga: actually I don't know this is manufacturer recommendation and as I systematicly forget I can say this isn't that important
23:32:00bluebrother^ok, since some players update the firmware immediately and others need some manual steps it might be necessary to split up that installation hint
23:32:27saratogaall of the sandisk players update the firmware the same was afaik, just copy it over and it updates, i don't think the sd card matters
23:33:54CIA-88New commit by thomasjfox (r31547): FS #11859: Enable optimizations for SDL application builds. ...
23:34:38jlbiasinisaratoga: anyway about update there i something I wonder on fuze+: when we update the firmware placing it on the root of device, the beast boot directly into updating mode, then reboot, and after some more loading stuff write "you have successfully updated your device"
23:34:49bluebrother^hmm, if the fuzeplus automatically updates the firmware than it shouldn't use that post install hint
23:35:11bluebrother^jlbiasini: the beast?
23:35:20saratogahe means fuze+, not the actualbeast
23:35:30jlbiasiniyes this is the slight difference I was talking about
23:35:33CIA-88r31547 build result: All green
23:36:02bluebrother^jlbiasini: you're aware that the beast is a specific player? ;-)
23:36:19jlbiasinibut so when we install rb it doesn't reboot and load to say : "you have successfully updated your device" because rb cut the reboot
23:36:31jlbiasini??? no!
23:36:43bluebrother^beast == Gigabeat S
23:36:59jlbiasiniI thought it was just a way to talk about a player in general - some rb slang!
23:37:05saratogafwiw the beast also updates like the fuze+ IIRC
23:37:08bluebrother^see also utils/MTP/beastpatcher :)
23:37:51saratogajhmikes: how is the beast battery life these days, I see that you've rewritten about half the port since I last played with mine :)
23:37:57bluebrother^saratoga: not in all cases −− on some host OS it requires disconnecting USB first (Windows IIRC)
23:38:12saratogadoesn't the fuze+?
23:38:14jlbiasiniwell to go back to what i was saying about fuze+: I don't know if this reboot being cut down by rb is safe
23:38:21*bluebrother^ should look into beast integration into Rockbox Utility again
23:38:35kugelthomasjfox: updated
23:38:49bluebrother^saratoga: ah, right. But on Linux (IIRC) you don't need to disconnect, it immediately starts the firmware update
23:38:59saratogafor the beast?
23:39:02bluebrother^I might have swapped Linux and Windows here.
23:39:05jlbiasiniit seems to work, but pehraps some slight update are missing?
23:39:06bluebrother^yes, the beast
23:39:13saratogaah ok, i guess thats some mtp thing
23:39:26saratogakugel: is arm asm enabled for the R0 port yet?
23:39:58kugelsaratoga: not yet
23:40:08saratogais there some complication?
23:40:19kugelI don't expect so
23:40:38saratogawhy doesn't the R0 define CPU_ARM anyway?
23:40:52jlbiasiniperhaps pamaury has some clue about it?
23:41:03pamauryabout what В§/
23:41:13kugelthomasjfox: can you look into changing the pandora port to use the plain sdl app (which it effectively does already), i.e. don't setup the target tree for a pandora dir which doesnt exist?
23:41:34kugelsaratoga: no premature optimitations? :)
23:41:34jlbiasiniabout the fact that fuze+ upgrading firmware might get cutted by rb on reboot
23:41:53pamaurywhat do you mean by "cutted" ?
23:42:12saratogai don't think that can happen
23:42:14jlbiasiniit only show "you have successfully updated your device" after reboot
23:42:24saratogaif you boot into rockbox then you've successfully installed the bootloader
23:42:37pamauryah, right, you need to reboot in the OF directly, probably because the bootloader set some persistent bits somewhere
23:43:00pamaurysaratoga: not if you upgrade the bootloader
23:43:00thomasjfoxkugel: Actually I wanted to steal your pcm-alsa.c from the ypr0 port, so it won't be a clean sdl-app anymore
23:43:28jlbiasinipamaury: I'm talking also about the first installation
23:43:30saratogaoh you mean if rockbox is already installed and you're just updated?
23:43:39thomasjfoxkugel: The Pandora also has shoulder buttons, I don't want to "enable" those in the generic sdl app
23:44:12kugelthomasjfox: specific button stuff can go into a subfolder
23:44:15pamauryjlbiasini: then that can't happen, the first time you install rockbox, it will reboot into the OF because the bootloader is not yet installed :-/
23:44:32saratogakugel: anyway, i'm curious what difference they make to battery life on the arm11
23:44:34kugellike hosted/sdl/app which already exists; hosted/sdl/pandora
23:44:44jlbiasiniwithout rb: new OF on the root -> reboot updating -> reboot "you have successfully updated your device"
23:44:53saratogathey're not all that well thought out for arm11, so i wonder how useful they are
23:45:16saratogajlbiasini: if you end up in rockbox then clearly the update succeeded
23:45:27saratogaif the update didn't finish, then theres no rockbox code running
23:46:05pamauryjlbiasini: OF bug ? Seriously, did sandisk released a newer version of the OF ? the OF prevents downgrade, that might explain the problem
23:46:06thomasjfoxkugel: Do you desired to remove the PLATFORM_PANDORA define?
23:46:15jlbiasiniIsn't there a risk of half updated stuff so? That's what I wanted to be sure about
23:46:36kugelthomasjfox: yea why not, it's only used within sdl code isn't it?
23:46:59kugelpandora isn't much of a platform if sdl is mostly used IMO
23:46:59pamauryno, I don't think the OF does half update
23:47:44jlbiasinipamaury: I also notice it on rb: last time I wanted to boot into OF and I get this screen sucess because of the last time I had my rb bootloader updated
23:48:13jlbiasiniIf its safe it's ok then
23:48:17pamaurythat's not a big deal as long as the bootloader gets correctly installed !
23:48:21thomasjfoxkugel: Hmm. SDL doesn't support getting the display DPI
23:48:21jlbiasiniI just wanted to be sure
23:48:36jlbiasinipamaury: right
23:48:43kugelthomasjfox: this is similar to FS #12496. for this I wouldn't like a new PLATFORM define because it differs so little from plain sdl
23:48:44fs-bluebot RaaA WebOS (patches, unconfirmed)
23:49:04pamauryhonestly I don't **** care about the OF stupidities of upgrading, we can upgrade without the OF if needed
23:49:13thomasjfoxkugel: Then we need a better way how to do little tweaks like disabling the mouse cursor or running fullscreen
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23:49:44thomasjfoxThese all need to become distinct features of the sdl app
23:49:45jlbiasiniI don't either: I just wanted to be sure that it is safe to rely on it
23:49:46kugelthere's still the target define
23:50:10kugelfrom the Makefile
23:50:49jlbiasiniI'm on a hell of a massive plugin keymap's update right now
23:51:01jlbiasiniover 3 days already!! :)
23:51:13kugelfull screen and cursor hiding is something you could do via commandline or env vars, it doesn't even need to be compile time constant
23:52:09thomasjfoxUsage of pcm-alsa.c could be done via the target define, too
23:52:15kugelthomasjfox: I just dislike that pandora pretends to be a platform including target tree setup while it's basically the sdl app compiled for a specific device
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23:53:18kugelPLATFORM_* should be used kept for something that includes more than one device, like an OS or generic library
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23:53:39kugelotherwise we can only have 30 RaaAs :P
23:53:46jlbiasiniby the way I have question about plugin: does anybody know why all the plugin do not rely on plugin-libaction by now? Is it just that anyone who try get instantly bored or is there any real reason?
23:54:59saratogai think its because different players have such different hardware its hard to come up with a generic mechanism
23:55:27jlbiasiniAnd for the plugin which does rely on it: why some of them are mapping PLA_CANCEL to quit action instead of PLA_QUIT
23:55:44saratogaFWIW i think we could also just disable plugins on touch targets until they're actually rewritten to have touch interfaces
23:55:49kugelthomasjfox: note that alsa-lib doesnt provide volume control, so you need some glue "hardware" to change the volume or use sw volume via dsp. on ypr0 we can drive the as3543 chip like on sansa targets
23:56:13kugelalsa-lib is pcm data transfer only
23:56:42kugelor look how amixer implements volume control :)
23:57:30thomasjfoxOh well, didn't we say RaaA shouldn't touch the "master" host volume anyway?
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23:58:42saratogayou're going to want to adjust the output gain though
23:58:44kugeldid we?
23:59:01thomasjfoxI remember some discussion about it

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