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| 00:02:51 | gevaerts | Zagor: something like http://paste.debian.net/151605/ |
| 00:03:00 | gevaerts | http://paste.debian.net/151605/ |
| 00:03:05 | gevaerts | should work |
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| 00:03:57 | Zagor | yeah, something like that |
| 00:04:15 | gevaerts | hm, I forgot .gitattributes in the final move |
| 00:04:45 | gevaerts | bhttp://paste.debian.net/151607/ |
| 00:05:44 | gevaerts | It should be safe enough not to touch anything that looks like it might not be a clean rockbox tree |
| 00:06:16 | bluebrother^ | ah, for converting an existing working directory to git? |
| 00:06:28 | gevaerts | yes, for build clients mainly |
| 00:06:39 | gevaerts | well, "converting" isn't really what it does :) |
| 00:06:42 | bluebrother^ | sounds useful :) |
| 00:06:59 | gevaerts | More like a controlled demolition and rebuild |
| 00:07:10 | bluebrother^ | hehe :) |
| 00:07:43 | Torne | OK, have emailed rockbox-dev and posted on the forum :) |
| 00:07:53 | Torne | anywhere else i should copy the annouyncement to? |
| 00:10:11 | * | bluebrother^ could give the gerrit css thingy a look given more time |
| 00:10:18 | Torne | bluebrother^: it's pretty low priority |
| 00:10:21 | Torne | but feel free if you want :) |
| 00:12:14 | bluebrother^ | well, I want to get TTS in Rockbo xUtility working first. |
| 00:12:33 | bluebrother^ | or better, figure what's going wrong there. That bug is standing quite too long these days |
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| 00:13:14 | bluebrother^ | I would really like to implement SAPI directly, but MinGW doesn't have the necessary bits :( |
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| 00:26:20 | Torne | SupSuiliaKene spamming forums currently :) |
| 00:28:07 | JdGordon | and banned |
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| 00:34:45 | * | amiconn noticed today that something has changed between ~r31000 and r31638 that causes the very first voice output after boot (from a .talk clip in the first directory) to produce garbled sound |
| 00:34:58 | amiconn | On H1x0 that is |
| 00:37:52 | pamaury | funny, if I run test_mem with an implementation of memcpy using the DCP it's 2 times slower but running a DCP memcpy on a 2 megabytes buffer is several order of magnitudes faster than software |
| 00:40:12 | pamaury | the dcp is faster starting from a few kilobytes, probably before of the overhead of the setup |
| 00:40:35 | bertrik | dcp? |
| 00:41:13 | pamaury | data co-processor, it has a dedicated dma and can do memcpy without the cpu (among other things) |
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| 01:07:15 | jhMikeS | i.MX31 can do that too without the DMA ever actually looking at the data itself. I never tried it out though to see if it was worthwhile |
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| 01:45:01 | JdGordon | does anyone have gerrit rights to mark all those open tasks as abandoned? |
| 01:47:16 | gevaerts | Do we need to do that? Presumably the sandbox will stay for people to play around in |
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| 02:30:01 | Torne | JdGordon: i wasn't intending to abandon them, no |
| 02:30:16 | Torne | JdGordon: the sandbox can stay there for people to fiddle with; when there are actually some real changes they won't stand out so much :) |
| 02:35:35 | JdGordon | ok |
| 02:37:37 | Torne | the list of all changes is basically irrelevant anyway; you aren't expected to browse it |
| 02:37:51 | Torne | you only really want to care about things you created or are reviewing |
| 02:38:31 | Torne | if there's sandbox changes you created you can abandon them yourself; if you got added as a reviewer to someone else's hassle them to remove you or abandon it :p |
| 02:39:12 | JdGordon | oh, how do we get the list of avialable branches that anrt pulled automatically? |
| 02:39:29 | Torne | you can look at all the refs on the server with ls-remote |
| 02:39:41 | Torne | refs/oldheads/* are branches that are very ancient |
| 02:39:49 | Torne | there's also refs/changes/* which is Gerrit changes |
| 02:40:06 | Torne | and refs/meta/config which is the actual gerrit project config |
| 02:41:13 | Torne | so yeah, oldheads/* is the only thing that exists that you don't get by default |
| 02:41:42 | JdGordon | haha I was about to complain that git ls=-remote shows nothing... turns out i was in the wrong directory :) |
| 02:42:47 | Torne | gitweb knows about them but doesn't list them anywhere, also |
| 02:42:56 | Torne | you can edit one of the other urls to display their history |
| 02:43:23 | JdGordon | im looking for zagors lcd api changes branch but cant find it :( |
| 02:43:24 | Torne | it does *see* all refs, so if a commit pointed to by any ref shows up on some page it will have a link for the tag/branch/whatever |
| 02:43:29 | Torne | It's not on there |
| 02:43:46 | JdGordon | it didnt get moved across? |
| 02:43:59 | Torne | i haven't pushed it to the server |
| 02:44:09 | funman | JdGordon: hi |
| 02:44:15 | Torne | when he's around i expect we will do soemthing with it |
| 02:44:23 | JdGordon | ok |
| 02:44:25 | JdGordon | funman: hi |
| 02:44:27 | Torne | but i suspect it makes more sense to flatten the branch and push it as a change |
| 02:44:33 | Torne | rather than keep it as a branch head |
| 02:44:37 | JdGordon | i was going to ask for exactly what you want with the debug menu? |
| 02:44:49 | funman | JdGordon: the idea is to extend it from the target tree |
| 02:45:22 | funman | so we have a symbol declared weak, which can be either NULL on sume targets |
| 02:45:31 | funman | either non-NULL on other targets |
| 02:45:59 | funman | that symbol would point to a table of menu entries (name + function) which should be listed in the debug menu |
| 02:46:11 | JdGordon | so i have a problem with this... |
| 02:46:14 | Torne | JdGordon: i'll find some time to write up instructions/policy on posting changes for review soon, and then turn permissions for that on, then see what zagor wants to do with his branch |
| 02:46:22 | JdGordon | 1) the debug menu should be removed as its useless post bringup |
| 02:46:36 | Torne | it's useless to some people |
| 02:46:37 | JdGordon | 2) i dont agree they should be in firmware |
| 02:46:39 | Torne | not to me :) |
| 02:46:50 | funman | should they be a .rock? |
| 02:47:12 | Torne | funman: that'd work for things that poke the hardware, but not so well for things that display rockbox internals |
| 02:47:48 | JdGordon | things that poke hardware are completly useless for debugging when shit happens |
| 02:47:53 | funman | JdGordon: what do you mean for 2) ? |
| 02:48:13 | Torne | things that poke at hardware are pretty useful for gathering data when you happen to have a weird usb charger someone has to try out |
| 02:48:41 | funman | anyway the menu is there atm and not scheduled for removal afaik |
| 02:48:52 | JdGordon | funman: if its in firmware/ it means it has to directly use the lcd_* drawing functions which is really annoying |
| 02:49:09 | Torne | ah, yes |
| 02:49:12 | Torne | that's a reasonable point |
| 02:49:27 | Torne | separating the UI from the target-specific "what values am i supposed to be displaying" might be nice |
| 02:49:31 | JdGordon | that is a problem with most of the debug screens already |
| 02:49:41 | JdGordon | exactly what i was about to say :) |
| 02:49:53 | Torne | many of the hardware specific screens are just lists of label: value |
| 02:50:00 | JdGordon | have firmware returns a list of name:value pairs and i'll make a generic display screen |
| 02:50:01 | Torne | that's pretty easy to abstract the UI away from |
| 02:50:08 | Torne | zomg |
| 02:50:14 | * | Torne shares brainwaves with JdGordon |
| 02:50:25 | JdGordon | I'm not compeltly wrong for a change :) |
| 02:50:28 | funman | JdGordon: some bits should move to firmware anyway, no? |
| 02:50:52 | Torne | JdGordon: i don't generally approve of removing the whole thing in normal builds |
| 02:50:56 | Torne | potentially in releases? |
| 02:51:02 | Torne | and maybe parts of it are a bad idea |
| 02:51:23 | Torne | but it's useful to be able to tell people, even on supposedly finished ports, to go do xyz in the debug menu to stop dynamic cpu boosting from happening |
| 02:51:28 | Torne | to narrow down issues/whatever |
| 02:51:31 | JdGordon | before the last 2 releases we've talked about removing it in release builds, but nothing came of it |
| 02:51:42 | Torne | we could just make it not show up until you press something :) |
| 02:51:51 | Torne | i.e. "hide" it |
| 02:52:24 | * | Torne has to go sleep, tho |
| 02:52:25 | funman | yeah i think it's going to be needed just when we remove it |
| 02:53:18 | funman | JdGordon: not sure all debug screens 'give a list of name:value pairs' |
| 02:53:26 | JdGordon | funman: do you want to add more screens? or move the existing ones? |
| 02:53:38 | funman | (re?)move existing ones |
| 02:56:06 | JdGordon | im not sure i see the point in moving the code out to firmware.. yes debug_menu.c is huge and a mess, but its mostly unchanged |
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| 03:00:28 | JdGordon | funman: on my ipod video, all the hardware specific items are (close enough to) name: value pairings |
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| 03:02:45 | JdGordon | we can probably push the list drawing api back through some simpole debug api to firware |
| 03:03:16 | JdGordon | get_debug_screen_count(), get_debug_screen_name(int id, char* buffer) |
| 03:03:44 | JdGordon | get_debug_screen_line_count(int screen_id), get_debug_screen_line_text(int screenid, int line_num, char* buffer) |
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| 03:22:44 | funman | well no need for functions |
| 03:23:04 | funman | debug_screens[] = { "foo", "bar", NULL }; |
| 03:23:50 | JdGordon | ah yes |
| 03:24:11 | JdGordon | still need the line_count and line_text functions somehow |
| 03:24:21 | funman | 'mostly unchanged' => until new ports contribute their crap to it |
| 03:24:26 | JdGordon | If it moves I don't want any drawing happening in firmware/ |
| 03:26:22 | funman | agreed |
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| 04:26:23 | saratoga | apparently my git doesn't have the "set-url" command listed on the wiki, is there another command I can use? |
| 04:26:48 | funman | saratoga: gedit .git/config |
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| 04:26:58 | funman | git: 'set-url' is not a git command. See 'git −−help'. |
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| 04:27:23 | funman | saratoga: ah it's git remote |
| 04:29:49 | saratoga | funman: under remote origin I would add a line like "push = ssh://user@gerrit.rockbox.org:29418/rockbox " |
| 04:29:58 | saratoga | (just guessing from the syntax of the file) |
| 04:30:11 | funman | it's pushurl = |
| 04:30:17 | funman | which version of git do you have? |
| 04:30:35 | saratoga | 1.6.3.3 1.6.3.3 |
| 04:30:42 | saratoga | opps |
| 04:31:40 | funman | a bit old i guess |
| 04:31:59 | funman | which ubuntu version you run? |
| 04:32:13 | saratoga | karmic maybe? |
| 04:33:08 | funman | https://launchpad.net/~git-core/+archive/ppa but not sure if it'll work on karmic |
| 04:33:37 | funman | yeah they have 1.7.7.1 |
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| 04:53:01 | saratoga | funman: so does "git push" send the changes to gerrit? |
| 04:53:43 | funman | yeah |
| 04:54:01 | funman | i mean no i hope it pushes to git directly |
| 04:54:42 | saratoga | so what was I doing when I installed the gerrit hook into my git client? |
| 04:59:20 | funman | something which will modify commit log when you push |
| 04:59:30 | funman | i don't know much about gerrit |
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| 05:02:11 | funman | what i call 'gerrit' is the interface where non-developers send their patches using git, but it's probably more complex |
| 05:02:32 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GerritDemoGuide |
| 05:02:48 | saratoga | apparently I can push to either |
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| 05:42:17 | JdGordon | someone should probably fix the frontpage to say that the commit log is currently down :) |
| 05:43:51 | jhMikeS | does the push also merge? |
| 05:44:12 | JdGordon | ? |
| 05:44:35 | JdGordon | git wont let you push if it cant merge successfully.. just like svn |
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| 05:45:10 | jhMikeS | ok. I'm wondering why my sandbox commit isn't showing on the gerrit site but is in the repository |
| 05:45:11 | JdGordon | gevaerts: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,30076.0.html did we still want to do a quick 3.11? or should i backport that fix and do a 3.10.1? |
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| 05:59:26 | jhMikeS | heh, well, I'll just assume everything is working until someone tell me it's all screwed up for weeks :) |
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| 06:07:47 | * | funman pokes CIA-15 |
| 06:08:06 | JdGordon | CIA-15 hasnt been fixed yet |
| 06:08:31 | funman | i assume http://cia.vc/stats/project/rockbox/ will be fixed at the same tim |
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| 06:12:21 | funman | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit#Applying_a_change_from_someone_else_40like_translations_41 |
| 06:12:52 | JdGordon | smarty pants! |
| 06:13:50 | funman | http://translate.rockbox.org/problems.php?lang=russian "Identical English and translation" -> some of them might not be translated at all... |
| 06:14:05 | funman | "WavPack" ? |
| 06:14:30 | funman | "PictureFlow" ? is it the name of the plugin or the feature? |
| 06:15:33 | JdGordon | plugin |
| 06:16:11 | funman | then how can you translate that at all? plugin names are all in englis |
| 06:17:10 | JdGordon | so dont |
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| 06:17:46 | funman | well don't tell *me* |
| 06:18:47 | funman | wow we have 5 "german translations" on the tracker |
| 06:18:57 | JdGordon | I tihnk we should nuke some of the very outdated langs |
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| 06:19:11 | funman | why? |
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| 06:49:13 | funman | they don't take much place and are a good starting point if anyone wants to translate again |
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| 09:01:12 | Tuggers | does anyone know where I can find a chart that lists ARM instruction latencies? |
| 09:01:23 | Tuggers | like the "TIM" column on this page: http://6502.org/tutorials/6502opcodes.html |
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| 09:11:45 | funman | ARM architecture reference manual might help, you can find it on arm info center |
| 09:12:34 | funman | try google for DDI 0100I ARM DDI 0100Iperhaps, it seems to |
| 09:12:46 | funman | be the reference of that document |
| 09:16:20 | Tuggers | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0100i/index.html |
| 09:16:31 | Tuggers | "This document is only available in a PDF version to registered ARM customers." |
| 09:16:33 | Tuggers | :( |
| 09:17:09 | funman | register on the website then? |
| 09:17:34 | Tuggers | it says customers though |
| 09:17:47 | funman | or google for ref + pdf .. |
| 09:17:55 | Tuggers | I was able to find this: http://www.scss.tcd.ie/~waldroj/3d1/arm_arm.pdf |
| 09:18:00 | Tuggers | So I guess that's it |
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| 09:23:28 | Tuggers | thank you |
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| 09:24:39 | kugel | saratoga: I don't understand the comment change in r31643 |
| 09:25:19 | kugel | the table is simply "HZ/x" |
| 09:29:00 | kugel | funman: you should have waited for a German committer instead of just pushing |
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| 09:59:23 | ukleinek | funman: which architecture version do you need the documentation for? |
| 09:59:35 | ukleinek | funman: the earlier revisions are easier to get hands on |
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| 10:00:04 | ukleinek | ah, v5 should be OK with a registration |
| 10:12:38 | funman | kugel: true but well the updates were piling in flyspray |
| 10:13:06 | funman | ukleinek: i don't need any doc |
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| 10:14:31 | funman | kugel: is there a problem with the translation though? |
| 10:14:53 | ukleinek | funman: ah |
| 10:15:03 | ukleinek | Tuggers: ^ |
| 10:15:34 | kugel | funman: yes |
| 10:15:49 | kugel | it's flawed like the other ones |
| 10:16:23 | funman | why did |
| 10:16:31 | funman | n't you guys commented on the tracker? |
| 10:19:03 | kugel | saratoga, Torne: I failed to change that asm to not use sp this way |
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| 10:26:12 | gevaerts | JdGordon: I'd still like an "early" 3.11. Realistically I think it's very unlikely it can be done before the end of the month though. |
| 10:30:28 | Zagor | the rockbox release calendar is missing entries for 3.11 |
| 10:31:34 | gevaerts | Yes. I'll add those as soon as we know more |
| 10:32:14 | gevaerts | I'd like to have the build system up and running and able to do builds from the release branch before we make detailed plans |
| 10:33:06 | Zagor | huh? we've never had the farm to release branch builds. |
| 10:33:10 | Zagor | *do |
| 10:33:13 | gevaerts | Enabling reviews for the branch might be a good idea too, although maybe that's too early (as in a release branch just before a release may be too critical to use as a learning thing) |
| 10:33:17 | gevaerts | I know |
| 10:33:41 | gevaerts | I'd still like it though :) |
| 10:34:08 | Zagor | sure, it'd be nice but it's not a good release blocker |
| 10:34:19 | gevaerts | True |
| 10:38:34 | gevaerts | I do think autobuilding the release branch (and making the builds available as RC through rbutil) would help getting better releases though, and while there are a number of details to sort out to get that done I don't think there's anything major, so I believe it's worth it to spend one or two weeks (with a deadline, if it's not done then we go ahead with the release the old way) to try to sort it all out |
| 10:40:58 | Zagor | I'm not sure I think this is the right time for this. I rather think 3.11 should be a normal on-the-clock release to contrast from 3.10. also it will be our first git release so we'll probably have more issues than normal anyway. |
| 10:42:57 | funman | http://rogerdudler.github.com/git-guide/ |
| 10:45:24 | gevaerts | On the clock would be early March |
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| 10:47:19 | funman | Zagor: what can we do for cia / build system to be back the soonest? |
| 10:48:32 | Zagor | 1: test run gevaerts convert script, 2: rewrite the client & server to add CONVERT2GIT command, 3: code review server to identify svn-specific spots, 4: fix #3 issues. |
| 10:49:03 | Zagor | I haven't looked at CIA yet, but that should be trivial |
| 10:49:47 | Zagor | (with "rewrite" I meant "adjust/improve") |
| 10:49:53 | gevaerts | There's also the commit ML |
| 10:50:16 | Zagor | and the web site scripts. but that's not the build system :-) |
| 10:50:35 | kugel | a convert script? |
| 10:50:51 | funman | where are client & server source? |
| 10:50:59 | kugel | wouldnt it be easier to ask peopel to manually convert? |
| 10:51:13 | Zagor | kugel: no, it will take weeks |
| 10:51:17 | kugel | a script could be tricky, e.g. if git isn't actually installed |
| 10:51:27 | Zagor | and roolku will spank us |
| 10:52:05 | Zagor | the script is done, it just needs verification and some extra eyeballs |
| 10:52:24 | funman | ah they are in www/ it seems |
| 10:52:24 | kugel | alright |
| 10:52:35 | Zagor | funman: yes |
| 10:55:25 | Zagor | all client admins have been notified about our git transition months ago, and should have installed git then. but yes, the script should of course check for that. |
| 10:55:40 | funman | gevaerts: why not (cd ..; rm -fr checkout; git clone ...) ? |
| 10:55:57 | Zagor | because current dir contains rbclient files |
| 10:55:59 | gevaerts | funman: it's basically that, but with some added subtleties and checking |
| 10:56:19 | gevaerts | Should I commit the script somewhere? |
| 10:56:22 | funman | i mean the rm part at least |
| 10:56:28 | funman | why not delete the full directory? |
| 10:56:52 | Zagor | funman: <Zagor> because current dir contains rbclient files |
| 10:57:00 | gevaerts | Because then we have no client scripts left |
| 10:57:04 | gevaerts | And we need those :) |
| 10:57:07 | funman | ok |
| 10:57:23 | kugel | can git reuse the svn checkout as to not redownload? |
| 10:57:28 | funman | no |
| 10:58:04 | funman | all the info is in .git/ and this info is not in svn checkouts |
| 10:58:23 | gevaerts | And my proposal to add .git to the svn repository was rejected :) |
| 10:58:24 | kugel | then wget it :) |
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| 10:58:50 | Zagor | we don't want any special fixes. just a plain clone |
| 10:58:50 | gevaerts | http://paste.debian.net/151647/ is the current state |
| 10:59:44 | kugel | gevaerts: perhaps check if git installed? |
| 10:59:57 | wodz | Zagor: do we have on TODO changing irc viewer to autoupdate with recent browsers? |
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| 11:00:02 | Zagor | funman: that's a nice link. please add it to UsingGit! |
| 11:00:10 | funman | gevaerts: `svn st -v −−depth=immediates` instead of the dirs="" perhaps ? |
| 11:00:24 | Zagor | wodz: I have a websocket version, but websocket is still a bit too new |
| 11:00:43 | Zagor | i.e. browsers don't implement the same protocol draft |
| 11:01:03 | gevaerts | funman: maybe. On the other hand this is really a one shot script to be run on the current unchanging tree |
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| 11:01:15 | kugel | in the meantime please fix links containing known irc nicks :) |
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| 11:01:40 | Zagor | kugel: example? |
| 11:02:12 | funman | gevaerts: your script looks alright to me |
| 11:02:13 | kugel | kugel.org">http://www.kugel.org |
| 11:02:13 | wodz | Zagor: I found this https://freepository.com/ajax-logtail-viewer/ajax-logtail-viewer.php which should be easy to adopt and compatible with most browsers |
| 11:02:24 | kugel | now look at the irc viewer |
| 11:02:31 | funman | other items all require some perl fu :( |
| 11:02:34 | kugel | mc2739 tried to fix it but didn't manage |
| 11:03:01 | gevaerts | hm, the mkdir isn't needed I think |
| 11:03:38 | gevaerts | And doing the git clone before the rm -rf would provide an implicit check if git is installed |
| 11:04:03 | kugel | it'll checkout into the the repo name (without .git) by default |
| 11:04:27 | Zagor | kugel: ah, good example |
| 11:04:37 | gevaerts | It has an explicit directory specified |
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| 11:05:01 | Zagor | wodz: that's a poller. I'm not so fond of that approach. |
| 11:05:41 | gevaerts | http://paste.debian.net/151649/ |
| 11:05:41 | wodz | Zagor: me either but the lack of autoupdate with reasonably recent browers is rather annoying |
| 11:11:26 | wodz | Zagor: Which browsers work with your websocket version? |
| 11:12:00 | Zagor | wodz: it would be more tolerable if it used http ranges instead of downloading the whole file every second |
| 11:12:24 | Zagor | wodz: none anymore, I just discovered... :-) chrome has changed draft version since I last checked |
| 11:15:28 | evilwombat | Has anyone ever tried putting not one but two batteries inside an H340? |
| 11:16:39 | evilwombat | A CF card is considerably slimmer than the HDD, and you don't need the big rubber thing anymore. It seems like there ought to be room for another battery pack (and mine would fit stacked 2x if I shaved off the little plastic offsets), but would the charging controller be able to handle two packs in parallel? |
| 11:18:19 | gevaerts | evilwombat: the iaudio X5L does something like that, so it might work. I know nothing about batteries though |
| 11:20:38 | wodz | evilwombat: putting two li-ions in parallel is possible but in theory charger should do cells balancing |
| 11:21:08 | gevaerts | It might be safer to get one bigger battery |
| 11:21:27 | wodz | it is for sure to be precise :-) |
| 11:21:29 | evilwombat | Hmmm. It seems like the battery pack already has a small PCB on it, where the leads attach. So, I am not sure how to get individual cell balancing, especially if they wear at different rates |
| 11:21:50 | wodz | evilwombat: thats the point |
| 11:21:56 | evilwombat | I am reluctant to get anything other than what is specified by Lenmar, since cheap chinese knockoffs tend to catch fire |
| 11:22:43 | Zagor | cell balancing is mostly theory. laptop batteries are always multi cell connected as one. |
| 11:23:25 | gevaerts | You can still buy from resellers or manufacturers you like, you "only" have to find a battery of the right size (which was designed for another device) |
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| 11:24:10 | * | gevaerts guesses that when going for two batteries it's a good idea to get two equally new ones? |
| 11:24:29 | evilwombat | Yeah. Well, they would effectively be about 2 weeks' use apart |
| 11:24:51 | evilwombat | but in a fully discharged state, would they exceed the supply current capacity of the charger and blow the FET or something? |
| 11:25:04 | wodz | Zagor: ah, and I found this http://www.ape-project.org but I guess its overkill |
| 11:25:09 | wodz | evilwombat: no |
| 11:25:33 | wodz | evilwombat: all sane charger circuits have proper current protection |
| 11:26:22 | wodz | evilwombat: you may face the problems with fully charge such beast though (due to the current limits and charging timeout) |
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| 11:33:19 | evilwombat | Well, thank you for the info. I will think about this |
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| 11:45:58 | canit | does rockbox run on adroid well ?. this DAP will combines a hi-end amp and mp3 player and it'll run android http://anythingbutipod.com/2012/01/ibasso-dx100-android-audio-player-announced/#more-5313 |
| 11:49:14 | wodz | canit: rockbox works pretty well on android. The issue is that rockbox UI doesn't fit nicely with what majority of android users expect |
| 11:50:48 | GodEater_ | and has to be built for each specific resolution of android device, which is a PITA |
| 11:52:10 | canit | if rockbox is sponsored a unit (DX100) will it speed development for a custom UI ? |
| 11:53:59 | GodEater_ | it certainly helps - but there are no guarentees |
| 11:54:22 | Zagor | nobody is working on a custom android UI today. we have a few paths to get there but there's a lot of work either way. |
| 11:54:31 | gevaerts | I doubt it. I think those who want to work on the android port already have a device |
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| 11:55:57 | Zagor | rockbox does work quite well on android, but has to be compiled for each specific resolution |
| 11:56:30 | Zagor | that's one reason why haven't released an android build publicly |
| 11:58:19 | canit | Thanks for your candid replies. hopefully the manufacturers will release that DAP with a custom rockbox android build |
| 11:58:42 | Zagor | that would be interesting :-) |
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| 12:09:01 | Torne | Morning folks |
| 12:09:03 | Torne | any issues? :) |
| 12:10:37 | pixelma | meh, there's a German update been pushed while one can't even see those changes yet (except by git pulling)? :\ |
| 12:10:46 | jlbiasini | bluebrother^: the bootloader for fuze+ is now on the server. I've made a patch to add the fuze+ to tools/builds.pm: FS #12526 but even with it rockbox utility still display fuze+ as unknown preventing from doing full installation... am I missing something? (reminder: manual patch new version ready here FS #12492 could you commit it / tell me if something is still wrong about it?) |
| 12:10:48 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12526 put Fuze+ in unstable (patches, unconfirmed) |
| 12:10:48 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12492 add fuze+ manual (patches, unconfirmed) |
| 12:11:17 | pixelma | and I also thought that there was some kind of agreement on languages where we have native speaker committers |
| 12:19:55 | * | GodEater_ hasn't had a chance to check the git repo out yet |
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| 12:33:18 | wodz | pixelma: you can web browse our git tree git.rockbox.org IIRC |
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| 12:37:33 | Torne | pixelma: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master |
| 12:38:20 | Torne | is what you want for now :) |
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| 13:40:38 | JdGordon | geso definitly not doing a 3.10.1? |
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| 13:44:33 | JdGordon | grr.... ssh fail... try again |
| 13:44:44 | JdGordon | gevaerts: so definistly not doing a 3.10.1? |
| 13:45:05 | gevaerts | definitely not definitely |
| 13:45:14 | JdGordon | I wont bother figuring out the commits to port across |
| 13:45:43 | gevaerts | I know how *I*'d like to time the next release, but that doesn't mean there's a consensus for that |
| 13:47:46 | JdGordon | relreases don't need consensus... they need doers |
| 13:48:57 | gevaerts | Yes and no. I'd *really* like to use not-yet-available infrastructure for the next release. I can't do all of that on my oen |
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| 13:56:10 | Torne | gevaerts: i would hope that if we can get the build system to build from git at all, that going an extra step and allowing special-request builds to be submitted is not going to be a large extra step |
| 13:56:36 | JdGordon | hell yes! |
| 13:56:48 | JdGordon | test build massive commits so we dont need fix yellow/red commits |
| 13:57:18 | gevaerts | JdGordon: you mean so you don't need to do any test builds yourself? |
| 13:57:40 | Torne | Well, given the performance of the build system we could probably stand to do ao reasonable number of test builds |
| 13:57:48 | Torne | :) |
| 13:57:58 | JdGordon | there are so many builds that its basically pointless, if it takes me 25min to be 100% sure I wont cause red I wont bother when the system can do the same in 3 min |
| 13:58:12 | JdGordon | I'm 100% sure I'm not alone there |
| 13:58:25 | gevaerts | Seriously though, it's a bit more than that. The stable RC (and final) builds need to be uploaded too, preferably with corresponding elf files |
| 13:59:35 | Torne | gevaerts: sure, but the builds already get uploaded |
| 13:59:45 | JdGordon | that shouldnt block the release though... just because it would be nice to do doesnt mean its really that important |
| 13:59:50 | gevaerts | JdGordon: sure, test builds can help, but I'm a bit worried that some people *will* commit without any testing at all |
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| 14:00:25 | Torne | gevaerts: all you need to do, surely, is have a way to set VERSION, and have a way to store the uploaded builds in a different location |
| 14:00:35 | Torne | it doesn't need to be open to arbitrary people for test build purposes right now |
| 14:00:49 | gevaerts | JdGordon: It *is* that important. Doing RC builds and uploading them takes a *lot* of time, and without rbutil integration they're unlikely to get testing |
| 14:01:01 | JdGordon | oh RC builds sure |
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| 14:01:30 | gevaerts | Also release builds. They're not really different |
| 14:01:39 | Torne | Well that's the idea of an "RC" |
| 14:01:45 | Torne | they should be the same as releases :) |
| 14:02:09 | gevaerts | Torne: VERSION should be handled by the build command. I'm assuming that stable and trunk don't use the same builds file, so that's not an issue at all, really |
| 14:02:31 | Torne | right |
| 14:02:39 | Torne | anyway, step 1 is get it able to continue building trunk |
| 14:02:48 | * | gevaerts nods |
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| 15:30:41 | jlbiasini | kugel: all: any comment to FS #12529 ? |
| 15:30:42 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12529 Lamp plugins PLA integration (patches, unconfirmed) |
| 15:31:29 | jlbiasini | If the patch get accepted I will edit manual accordingly |
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| 15:37:39 | gevaerts | jlbiasini: I suspect it's better not to try to add a specific mr500 mapping. The generic touchscreen code should work fine for it |
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| 15:39:02 | jlbiasini | ok I didn't know that it was touchscreen this explain a lot! |
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| 15:39:44 | gevaerts | I actually wonder why the lamp plugin has a special case for it |
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| 15:40:12 | jlbiasini | gevaerts: what about ONDAVX747? is it also with touch? |
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| 15:41:06 | gevaerts | I think that's also touchscreen, but it might have more physical buttons |
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| 15:41:32 | gevaerts | The mr500 only has one button (power) and a remote with more. I happen not to have the remote :) |
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| 15:43:26 | jlbiasini | I search the whole code for the button-target.h to know about the keys I could use, now I know why I didn't found anything! :) |
| 15:44:08 | gevaerts | The fun thing is that the hard reset key combination on that thing uses remote buttons |
| 15:45:40 | jlbiasini | ...who need that anyway! a tennis ball do as good as a remote hard reset :D |
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| 15:52:54 | jlbiasini | ok corrected |
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| 16:02:25 | sparker781 | hey all |
| 16:02:37 | sparker781 | so rockbox is not available for ipod touch? |
| 16:03:31 | gevaerts | no |
| 16:04:15 | sparker781 | bummer |
| 16:05:31 | sparker781 | any alternatives? |
| 16:07:46 | gevaerts | Not that I'm aware of, but I don't follow the ipod touch (or iphone) world at all |
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| 19:31:31 | Prodicus | Anybody home? The site said to ask on IRC about getting wiki edit permissions. Anything I need to do other than just ask? |
| 19:33:30 | n1s | Prodicus: did you register in the wiki? |
| 19:33:55 | Prodicus | Yep. user name DanielJensen. |
| 19:34:07 | n1s | do you promise not to spam? |
| 19:34:31 | Prodicus | Of course. |
| 19:35:16 | Prodicus | (I know that's a common problem with automatic-registration wikis, but do you really get spammers coming in here asking for edit permissions? weird.) |
| 19:35:31 | n1s | Ok, done! |
| 19:35:51 | Prodicus | Thanks! |
| 19:36:10 | n1s | no i don't think any spammer has done it but iirc we decided to ask people to promise when we set this up (because of spam problems) |
| 19:38:12 | n1s | If you get a page asking you to click ok to confirm your suspicious change, don't worry i think everyone gets them |
| 19:38:34 | Prodicus | Hm. Though I show up on the WikiUsersGroup page now, I'm still getting this message: "Access Denied. Attention: Access check on Main.TargetStatus failed. Action "CHANGE": access not allowed on web. If you recently registered here, have you asked to be added to the WikiUsersGroup yet? You cannot edit anything until you are. Ask, in IRC preferrably, an existing user to add you. This is done... |
| 19:38:36 | Prodicus | ...for spam reasons." |
| 19:39:27 | pamaury | where is the lcd_write_yuv_420_lines function actually used ? |
| 19:39:40 | n1s | pamaury: mpegplayer i think |
| 19:40:12 | pamaury | when I grep for lcd_write_yuv_420_lines in firmware/, I don't see any use |
| 19:40:30 | n1s | mpegplayer isn't in firmware/ |
| 19:40:51 | pamaury | in firmware/ there are only def, in apps/ there is not use |
| 19:41:17 | n1s | then i dunno |
| 19:41:21 | n1s | Prodicus: that's weird |
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| 19:41:51 | pamaury | the plugin api exports lcd_blit_yuv which doesn't use lcd_write_yuv_420_lines |
| 19:43:00 | Prodicus | Tried again and it's working now; must have just needed another moment to get the update or something. Thanks. |
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| 19:45:04 | n1s | pamaury: some lcd_blit_yuv implementations use it at least |
| 19:45:11 | pamaury | which one ? |
| 19:45:11 | n1s | x5 for example |
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| 19:46:23 | n1s | and h300, and ipod video |
| 19:46:28 | pamaury | arf, it doesn't have the standard name, it misses the _ |
| 19:46:48 | pamaury | that's weird that we have both lcd_write_yuv_420_lines and lcd_write_yuv420_lines |
| 19:47:20 | pamaury | ok, my mistake then |
| 19:48:21 | Prodicus | A couple months ago I installed Rockbox on a relative's Clip+; it worked like a charm. |
| 19:48:27 | Prodicus | So last month I tried installing it on my own Clip v2 (using the automatic installer), and it bricked it. |
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| 19:48:35 | Prodicus | Given the current Clip prices and a previous disappointing experience I've had clumsily trying to solder teeny parts on a graphics card, I just wrote off my Clip as a loss and asked for a new one for Christmas (I received a Clip Zip). |
| 19:48:49 | Prodicus | The Clip page does say there's always a risk of bricking and "The risk seems particularly high for certain hardware variants of the Clip V2," but it's easy to miss, and the problem isn't mentioned anywhere in the port status, hardware status tables, etc. |
| 19:49:00 | Prodicus | I didn't notice it until after I'd already bricked it; I felt like the port status/hardware status tables had lulled me into a false sense of security. |
| 19:49:02 | Torne | you almost certianly haven't actually bricked it unless you've tried very hard, no? |
| 19:49:16 | Torne | despite the warning it is pretty uncommon |
| 19:49:24 | n1s | pamaury: it seems from a quick glance that the extra _ is a typo in the comment and the exported symbol doesn't have it |
| 19:49:37 | pamaury | yes, I'm going to fix that |
| 19:49:45 | n1s | probably someone made it years ago and everyone copied that header |
| 19:50:18 | Prodicus | Hm. Well, I followed all the normal steps for the firmware upgrade, it said "firmware upgrade in progress" etc and then wouldn't ever turn on again no matter what I did. I certainly wasn't trying to brick it. |
| 19:50:26 | Torne | Prodicus: I also can't find that text anywhere :0 |
| 19:51:08 | Torne | ah, there it is |
| 19:51:13 | Torne | See the red text lower down the same page |
| 19:51:14 | Prodicus | It's only on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS |
| 19:51:57 | Prodicus | Also says Other: Clipv2: a small fraction of c200v2 players cannot successfully be flashed with rockbox for unknown reasons. |
| 19:52:29 | Prodicus | Notably: "If you are not willing to disassemble your player, consider using a model other then the Clip V2 with rockbox. " |
| 19:53:04 | Prodicus | If I'd noticed that I wouldn't have tried it. My soldering skills aren't up to dealing with these teeny things. |
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| 19:54:15 | Torne | funman, saratoga: you guys evidently disagree about the safety of flashing the clipv2 |
| 19:54:29 | Torne | oh, saratoga isn't here, nevermind |
| 19:54:52 | Torne | funman: you added the text to SansaAMS stating that you can't brick it by accident; this conflicts with saratoga's previously added warning elsewhere on the same page that the clipv2 is particularly risky |
| 19:54:55 | Prodicus | Anyway, I was wondering whether it'd be OK if I did a couple of things to make the warning more visible- put it on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaClip and make some kind of reference to it in the port status table, at least a footnote or something |
| 19:55:24 | Torne | Prodicus: unless someone who knows more about the AMS port disagrees, i am inclined to believe that the warning is mistaken and it is, in fact, fine |
| 19:55:52 | Prodicus | Uh, my Clip is not, in fact, fine. Period. It won't turn on. |
| 19:56:03 | Torne | How long has it been that way? |
| 19:56:25 | Prodicus | Since I flashed it three weeks ago. Battery was fully recharged when I flashed it. |
| 19:57:39 | Torne | three weeks should probably be enough for the battery to die, alas |
| 19:57:43 | Prodicus | (It may have been four weeks now) |
| 19:58:02 | Torne | if you plug headphones into it does it make any noise while you plug them? e.g. faint noise/crackling through the phones indicating that the port is powered |
| 19:59:03 | Prodicus | hadn't thought to try that. You think things might be OK except the display? |
| 19:59:22 | Torne | they can often look like they are off when they have, in fact, just hung |
| 19:59:39 | Torne | several weeks should've been long enough for th ebattery to die, though |
| 19:59:45 | Torne | so this may not be the case for you |
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| 20:00:12 | Prodicus | it wouldn't have been just hung, I did try to reset |
| 20:00:15 | Torne | but basically everyone who comes in here with a "bricked" clip has been able to "fix" it by either holding the powerr button longer to get it to reset (it can take a while), or by waiting for long enough for the battery to die |
| 20:00:24 | Torne | We're not convinced that the reset is actually reliable on that hardware |
| 20:01:12 | Prodicus | hmm. I held that power button a pretty long time hoping for the resurrection of the dead :\ |
| 20:01:24 | Torne | anyway, i'm not saying it isn't broken for you, i'm just noting that out of dozens and dozens of people who come and ask about bricked clips I don't recall *ever* seeing one that actually was |
| 20:01:46 | Torne | so if yours is, in fact, bricked then you are significantly more unlucky than the average :) |
| 20:02:43 | Torne | most of the warnings about potential bricking devices are more in the vein of us being careful to forewarn people with all relevant knowledge, rather than any actual belief that the process has a measurable risk |
| 20:04:12 | Prodicus | I know it's usually just a CYA rather than foretelling a serious risk, but given my experience and the warning about v2 I came to think it was more |
| 20:05:42 | Torne | anyway, you may want to stick about and see if anyone else can suggest anything; i don't know a lot about them :) |
| 20:07:21 | n1s | wasn't the worst case having to pop it open to short some pins that triggered a recovery mode of some kind? |
| 20:08:05 | Torne | yes |
| 20:08:11 | Prodicus | Just found the player (which I'd set aside with a heap of other nonfunctional hardware); no headphone noises on insert/removal, no difference after trying the power button, nothing happens when I plug it into a usb port. |
| 20:09:14 | n1s | if it was just hung the battery is probably flat so it might need a bit of time to charge before you see anything |
| 20:09:19 | Torne | n1s: but every time i've seen someone talking abotu that it's generally appeared that it wasn't, in fact, required |
| 20:09:29 | Torne | and they wasted their time/made it worse/etc |
| 20:09:44 | Prodicus | I did see the detailed page of instructions on debricking (http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaClipV2UnbrickingTutorial) but I do not "Have solid soldering/unsoldering skills of fine wires in a crowded space" as the tutorial requires |
| 20:09:58 | n1s | Torne: yeah |
| 20:11:04 | Torne | ah, yes, the points to short are underneath the soldered battery |
| 20:11:12 | Torne | inconvenient :) |
| 20:11:17 | Prodicus | I wonder whether the reason you haven't seen more of this problem is because most people either had v1 clips or the clip+ |
| 20:11:18 | Torne | the other AMSes it's accessible without a soldering iron |
| 20:11:24 | Torne | Prodicus: No, loads of people ahve the clipv2 |
| 20:11:36 | Torne | they've been on sale much longer than the v1 was, iirc |
| 20:11:57 | Prodicus | or maybe it was a particular hardware sub-revision or sommat |
| 20:12:10 | n1s | Possible |
| 20:12:49 | Torne | anyway. i would leave it plugged in just in case it *was* stuck and has now drained the battery all the way; it should hopefully manage to charge to the point where it can attempt to boot *something* |
| 20:12:57 | Torne | but the prospects don't look particularly great |
| 20:14:28 | Torne | as for updating the wiki to make this clearer, i would wait for opinions from funman/saratoga :) |
| 20:16:05 | Prodicus | OK. How will they be informed they need to weigh in? Will they read this log, do I send some info to one of the mailing lists, or what? |
| 20:17:10 | gevaerts | They read logs |
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| 20:27:02 | Prodicus | If it might be any help in pinning down the problem and either fixing a bug or finding a particular hardware sub-revision to warn people about, I'd be willing to send my bricked clip to somebody for dissection. Not like I'm going to get further use out of it. |
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| 21:25:37 | fml | Hello. How can I create my personal git fork of the RB repository? I want to host my fork on github. |
| 21:26:17 | bluebrother | fml: clone the Rockbox git repo, add github as remote, push to github. |
| 21:29:07 | bluebrother | (I don't think there's an official Rockbox git clone on github yet) |
| 21:33:54 | fml | bluebrother: if I only knew how... |
| 21:34:28 | fml | I've created a local copy, but how do I add github as remote? |
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| 21:38:09 | bluebrother | fml: git remote add github <repo url on github> |
| 21:38:22 | bluebrother | replace github with whatever name you want to use for github |
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| 21:47:38 | fml | bluebrother: do I have first to create an empty repo on github? Or will it be created with the command above? |
| 21:50:10 | bluebrother | fml: you create the repo on github first. |
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| 22:03:07 | lorenzo92 | kugel: I've seen you added something to git to be able to release automatic builds of rockbox? |
| 22:04:06 | lorenzo92 | kugel: probably the new git is an occasion to set it up finally, if possible and easy in few time of course :) |
| 22:04:23 | lorenzo92 | kugel: this would mean, possibly, more testers.... |
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| 22:05:40 | Zagor | lorenzo92: ?? we've had auto build for years |
| 22:06:24 | lorenzo92 | kugel: ops sorry :D you misunderstood...hehe...Was speaking about the samsung YP-R0 |
| 22:06:26 | lorenzo92 | :) |
| 22:06:37 | Zagor | ah |
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| 22:29:27 | fml | Do we have a Tex macro to typeset links to Flyspray entries? |
| 22:31:22 | bluebrother | not that I'm aware of. If it should be in preamble.tex |
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| 22:31:38 | Zagor | do we really want bug reports in the manual? |
| 22:32:27 | fml | Zagor: a reference to one, maybe. I'll upload a patch in a minute, and you'll see why I'd probably need such a link. |
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| 22:39:07 | fml | FS #12530 has been created |
| 22:39:08 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12530 Add a note and a warning about the location for recordings (patches, new) |
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