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#rockbox log for 2012-01-20

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01:25:13JdGordon[Saint]: ping
01:25:13dreamlayersOn targets which can measure battery voltage, battery_read_info() now uses the un-smoothed voltage, because it directly calls _battery_voltage() instead of the smoothed battery_millivolts value.
01:35:09dreamlayersWhat should I do with FS #12500? The problem with HOME_DIR has been solved, and there doesn't seem to be much interest in adding support for "." and "..". I'm not even convinced that it's a good thing to add.
01:35:09fs-bluebot /./ is invalid when not using dircache, so HOME_DIR breaks things (bugs, new)
01:40:50JdGordonclose it then?
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01:46:26jhMikeSFS #12554 - if we care to
01:46:27fs-bluebot Strip SVN $Id$ field from all files (patches, new)
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04:50:50[Saint]JdGordon: Awesome.
04:51:13JdGordonim not 100% sure why it works, but it seems to... let me know how it goes and i'll commit ovre the weekend
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05:25:51[Saint]I'm positive this has been mentioned before, there a reason there are three individual "login areas" (not sure what else you'd call them) on
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09:49:53GodEater_this constant spamming of the forums is getting tedious
09:52:18[Saint]Has the thought of locking out new registrations until this is under control been considered?
09:52:41GodEater_I don't have the rights to do that though
09:52:46[Saint]I'm all for it :)
09:53:21GodEater_I think we should move to an invite only method now.
09:53:46[Saint]I suggested that, but it was dismissed.
09:53:57[Saint]Well..I suggested that /kinda/
09:54:14[Saint]I'd like to do something similar to what we do with the wiki.
09:54:24[Saint]"come bug us on IRC if you want in"
09:54:34GodEater_yeah or that
09:54:49GodEater_I don't think that moves the barrier for entry too high
09:54:54[Saint]"too much effort"...apparently.
09:54:58GodEater_if we're careful with the wording on the page
09:55:06GodEater_and supply a nice link to the webirc client
09:55:19[Saint]I even suggested having a link to the web client,
09:56:39[Saint]Ideally, Akismet should "just work". But its becomming apparent that until then, something else need be done.
09:57:48[Saint]The forum isn't a particularly welcoming environment when its chock full of spam. Its definitely driven me away from it...debate amongst yourselves if that's a pro or a con :P
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10:32:44CIA-81Commit by Dominik Riebeling (420ae56): rbspeex: make local functions static.
10:33:04kugelother forums don't seem to suffer this bad
10:33:09Zagor^^^ that's just a test message
10:34:07[Saint]kugel: I assume once they get in, they're like "Hey guys...we've got an open door ever here"
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10:34:44[Saint]Its not "open", so I retract that...but a lot gets through.
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10:35:59CIA-81Commit by Bj%C3%B6rn%20Stenberg (35f0c96): Remove svn id.
10:36:14Zagorhah, that's no improvement
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10:41:27gevaertsGodEater, [Saint]: does "chock full of spam" mean there's spam visible to regular users?
10:41:55[Saint]Often, yes. Before one of you guys gets to it.
10:42:20CIA-81Commit by Björn Stenberg (35f0c96): Remove svn id.
10:42:30gevaertsSo spam that's not caught by akismet presumably?
10:42:46[Saint]gevaerts: Yeah, I assume so.
10:44:10*gevaerts sees one or two of those every day he thinks
10:44:17CIA-81Commit by Björn Stenberg (35f0c96)foobranch: Remove svn id.
10:44:48gevaertsIf it's more than that, something else is going on. I'd expect that sort of spam to be manually removed and to end up in removed posts
10:44:58CIA-81Commit by Björn Stenberg (35f0c96) foobranch: Remove svn id.
10:46:34[Saint]gevaerts: Well, there was previously the stuff that was being caught, and "removed" but was still perfectly visable in recent posts. Though I think you've stomped on that(?), but there's also the occasional post (a bit more than occasional) that isn't caught at all.
10:50:08gevaertsYes, but that's a different thing. I suspect we should be able to report that to akismet to get better training, but there's not much more we can do on the technical side I fear
10:50:17[Saint]Not letting 0~N posters put links in sigs or profiles would probably catch a few.
10:50:48gevaertsWell, that would get rid of sig and profile spam. The body is still there
10:51:42[Saint]Not letting 0~N posters put links in...anything?
10:52:01[Saint]I know at least one forum that does that.
10:52:20[Saint]you need at least 10 posts (a reputation system) to post links.
10:53:27gevaertsI don't know what's possible there with available mods or settings, and I think I'll leave that side to scorche. I'll do my best to work a bit on the akismet handling over the weekend so the new/latest post information is less messed up, and possibly so we can submit false negatives to akismet
10:54:33[Saint]I appreciate the effort you're putting in, gevaerts. It means a lot.
10:55:02gevaertsAnd of course to make reviewing and cleaning up the caught spam easier :)
10:55:12gevaertsWell, someone has to
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11:05:52CIA-81Commit 35f0c96 in www foobranch by Björn Stenberg: Remove svn id.
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11:06:22CIA-81Commit 35f0c96 in by Björn Stenberg: Remove svn id.
11:07:05CIA-81Commit 35f0c96 in rockbox by Björn Stenberg: Remove svn id.
11:08:52Zagortime for another test commit
11:10:29CIA-81Commit 858a0cf in rockbox by Björn Stenberg: Remove svn id (test commit).
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11:31:49gevaertsThis svn if will be well and truly removed :)
11:33:05Zagorso now cia and the build farm is back up and hook triggered
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11:58:12kugelZagor: git errors on my client
11:58:27kugelit looks the git on my client is old
12:01:27kugel$ git −−version
12:01:27kugelgit version
12:03:01kugelthe git conversion seems to have worked, building seems to be the problem
12:06:34amiconnHmm, then my 'triton' client has another problem. It has the same git version as one of my other clients, which does contribute builds
12:07:22ukleinekgit status −−porcelain exists since v1.7.6-rc1
12:08:58kugelgit checkout supports -f longer than −−force apparently
12:25:50ZagorI didn't think about params not being supported. seems most clients had newish git anyway.
12:26:21Torne1.5 is ancient and unless there's some distro where taht's the latest you can sanely get..
12:26:47Torneeven debian stable has
12:31:31Torne1.5.6.5 is the version from lenny, actually :p
12:31:39kugelmy client is running lenny
12:31:43Tornelenny-backports has
12:32:16kugelbut it doesnt have −−porcelain does it?
12:32:45ZagorI guess you'll just have to build git yourself then
12:33:11Tornewe maybe should make do without git status −−porcelain
12:33:15Torneif possible :/
12:33:28Tornesince if it was introduced in 1.7.6 then it's not in squeeze either :)
12:33:38Zagorit's possible. but the whole point of −−porcelain is that it will not change in the future, which is quite attractive
12:34:02Torneanyway, if we're going to depend on that we need a version check on git
12:34:27Tornei didn't notice the version dependency because i run wheezy now and so i have ;)
12:35:01Zagormy has porcelain
12:37:31ZagorI can't think of a squeeze machine I can reach...
12:38:08Zagorkugel, amiconn: is upgrading git a problem for you?
12:38:35Tornewell, upgrading to newer than what's in -backports is kinda a pain ;P
12:39:40kugelnot a real problem, I have wheezy running in a chroot on that system
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12:39:59amiconnZagor: Both 'triton' and 'encke' are running debian stable, i.e. they have the same git version. 'encke' works', 'trition' somehow doesn't
12:40:06amiconnSo it can't be the git version
12:40:20kugelI could install from backports, but I don't want to upgrade from to squeeze or newer (it's not my own system afterall)
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12:41:11Torne1.7.2.5 supports it
12:41:16Tornei.e. it works in squeeze
12:41:34Tornei expect the lenny backport supports it as well
12:41:43Tornemailing list discussions about it look old enough
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12:43:53amiconnSo what could be wrong on 'triton'? rbclient.log doesn't really help, it looks like it's building as normal, just that all its build get killed
12:45:54firestrikerst seem to find one that works with this player
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12:46:41firestrikersAgain, I have a lenco xemio 644, tried a couple of files to unlock the hidden partition, but I can't
12:47:06GodEater_what's a lenco xemia 644 when it's at home?
12:47:37firestrikersHow do you mean when it's at home
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12:48:01GodEater_english expression, it just means "what is it?" although I see from a quick google it's some random mp3 player
12:48:10GodEater_one which Rockbox has no port for btw.
12:48:11Tornefirestrikers: we don't know anything about that player; rockbox only runs on devices it has been specifically made to support
12:48:35Torneare you trying to work on getting rockbox to run on the device, or are you looking for soemthing that already works? :)
12:49:28firestrikersActually I'm trying to access my existing firmware, maybe get more insight, I allready saw that it isn't ported to my device should append $ANDROID_SDK_PATH/tools to $PATH when checking for the android version
12:50:38[Saint]firestrikers: Is there a firmware update available?
12:50:43GodEater_we're getting rbclient to build android now? :)
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12:51:00Zagoramiconn: I don't see any errors in the log. triton is cancelled repeatedly because other clients beat it to the builds.
12:51:06firestrikersNo, and I know, that ruins alot
12:51:07ZagorGodEater_: yes, we have for some time
12:51:24Zagoroh, "android", no. "for android", yes :-)
12:51:27GodEater_Zagor: I should probably upgrade my machine at home and turn it into a build box again then :D
12:52:03[Saint]firestrikers: that's unfortunate.
12:52:59Zagorkugel: rbclient doesn't set any path. if you need to set it, do it in
12:54:42kugelit could do "PATH=$PATH:$ANDROID_SDK_PATH/tools android list target"
12:55:12kugelwe don't require it in PATH for building, it's just for the version check in
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13:07:58Zagoramiconn: I don't see anything wrong with triton, other than it getting beaten to its' builds by other clients. iriverh120sim was cancelled after 131 seconds, for example.
13:09:31Zagorwhen it was estimated to take only 75 seconds
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13:33:35amiconnHmm, how can I find out why triton is so slow now?
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13:35:44amiconnIts performance should be comparable to encke, in fact. triton is a vmware player 4 vm where the host is a c2d P8400 (2.4 GHz), running win7 from an ssd, and encke is a vmware player 4 vm where the host is a c2d E6550 (2.33 GHz) running win7 from a 2.5" hdd
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13:51:23Zagoramiconn: I don't know. log into it and time a build, perhaps?
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16:44:42rudi_sHi. Are there any plans to provide (GPG) signed tags for releases?
16:45:46Tornenot particularly
16:45:53TorneWe dont' currently have any key that would be useful for that
16:46:11TorneThis needs to get dealt with somehow for android at some point, though
16:46:29Torneif we can figure out a solution to that then it would be possible to also apply it to the source abd binaries for other platforms.
16:46:41rudi_sOk. Just thought it would be useful to get the latest version over an "untrusted" network.
16:47:19Tornenot particularly, to be honest :)
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18:26:06krabadorhi people, by sometime in rockbox website i see the current builds as "858a0cf" string (this is the today's string) and yesterday i upgraded my sansa fuse v1 and at startup i've "loading firmware - file not found"
18:26:19krabadorlater "plug usb cable"
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19:44:57kugelTorne: RE bad sp usage: I went for both, fixing the asm and altstack
19:46:34kugelan altstack is needed either way, because the current stack (of whatever thread) might be too small. particularly with asm threads the stack sizes are well below MINSIGSTKSZ
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20:35:01CIA-81Commit 05bba5e in rockbox by Bertrik Sikken: FS #12553 - Second January update of Czech language
20:37:28CIA-8105bba5e build result: All green
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20:58:15Tornekugel: seems sensible, great job
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21:55:32[Saint]Anyone else having an issue where raaa is left running, without playback, while being pushed to the background?
21:55:49[Saint]A user is complaining of this to me on G+
21:57:23[Saint]Not force quitting raaa before inserting USB is causing him to lose his configuration, assumedly as raaa tries to access the sdcard while its mounted by the os.
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21:58:04[Saint]Its sure not happening here...anyone else?
21:59:45[Saint]Iiuc, if there's no playback, and raaa is pushed to the background one shouldn't have to wait for idle shutdown? As far as I can tell, raaa isn't supposed to be running still in this instance.
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22:04:45[Saint]A currently running app must place a notification in the statusbar if its not fullscreen...or is this incorrect? (I know a few apps have an option to disable this).
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22:46:41jhMikeS[Saint]: Maybe I should update it but it stays going. I can only see it under 'Running services'.
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23:09:46[Saint]jhMikeS: I think I've been missunderstanding the problem, as it was poorly described to me.
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23:10:59[Saint]Hmmm...that was odd, fell off the channel.
23:12:41[Saint]The way it was described to me, the user believes connecting USB is causing RaaAnto shit its settings...but, iiuc, that's not the problem.
23:12:55[Saint]The problem is launching RaaA with /sdcard mounted.
23:13:13[Saint]*RaaA to
23:13:53[Saint]RaaA will certainly fail to find its settings if there's no /sdcard ;)
23:14:49geckojscSorry if this is obvious, but does anyone know what the default root password is for the Ubuntu VM image on the wiki?
23:15:14n1si'm pretty sure the wiki has it
23:16:21geckojscit definitely has the password for the 'ubuntu' account, but I don't see anything for root.
23:16:49gevaertsgeckojsc: it being ubuntu, there probably isn't one
23:19:57n1sif ubuntu is in sudoers can't you just reset roots password?
23:20:18geckojscah, it's just that the dpkg directory is locked, not that my permissions are wrong or I don't have root access.
23:20:22n1swell, if you enable it
23:21:19gevaertsYou have to use sudo
23:23:29geckojscooh, I must have mistyped the ubuntu password, working fine now
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