#rockbox 2012-01-25

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#rockbox log for 2012-01-25

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00:13:16	daniel___	Hello, I'm having some trouble connecting my fuze v2 via usb to my computer. I have the updated build with it enabled but I can't seem to connect with my Ubuntu OS.
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00:28:15	daniel___	Hello, I'm having some trouble connecting my fuze v2 via usb to my computer. I have the updated build with it enabled but I can't seem to connect with my Ubuntu OS.
00:30:14	funman	daniel___: which build? which bootloader?
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00:37:25	daniel___	Give me a second and I'll give you that info
00:37:57	daniel___	version r31646-120109
00:38:07	daniel___	I don't know how to check bootloader
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00:40:51	daniel___	@funman: Did you get that?
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00:43:35	funman	yes, reinstall the bootloader using rockbox utility
00:43:55	funman	to get the last version (4.0, which is displayed very briefly on screen when you turn your fuze on)
00:44:14	daniel___	Okay, I'll probably have to come back in a little while. Have to boot to Windows probably
00:44:50	funman	rockbox utility runs on linux, check rockbox.org (menu on the left)
00:46:24	daniel___	Okay, I'll check. My thought is this problem could interfere. Is the OFW always necessary for updates?
00:48:35	funman	yes
00:48:50	funman	for bootloader updates. not for normal updates (assuming rockbox usb works fine)
00:49:27	daniel___	I'm going to have to reboot still, into Ubuntu probably though. The glitch made Ubuntu's usb freeze up a bit.
00:49:34	daniel___	Give me just a few
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00:55:04	daniel___	I'm back
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01:01:47	daniel___	It's still not working
01:02:45	funman	what does the fuze screen show?
01:04:48	daniel___	It connected and I could detect it with the utility but when I used the autodetect the mount point couldn't be found. Also when I tried to access it directly it wouldn't open up and almost nothing was detected
01:04:59	daniel___	As in size, type and other such stuff
01:06:38	funman	did you set it up to MSC and not MTP or auto like the manual says? (installation step)
01:07:29	daniel___	I believe it was in MSC because I had it set that way previously but I'll have to restart and try it again
01:07:37	daniel___	I'll be back in another minute
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01:12:20	daniel___	I'm back and I'll test it again
01:13:17	daniel___	funman: it's still having troubles
01:13:39	funman	set it to msc
01:14:55	daniel___	It's already set to MSC, I've triple checked that
01:15:53	daniel___	The fuze says it's connected, ubuntu shows it, but when I check for details it says it can't tell it's size, location, permissions, or anything
01:16:11	funman	do a manual install then
01:16:30	funman	and get mkamsboot from funman/mkamsboot-1.5/">http://people.videolan.org/~funman/mkamsboot-1.5/
01:17:04	funman	ah no the binaries are on the server now
01:18:41	daniel___	I also can't access any files on it. Ubuntu refuses to mount it
01:19:00	funman	verify for errors then
01:19:15	funman	sudo fsck.vfat -wy /dev/XXX or do it from windows
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01:22:16	daniel___	I guess I'll be back on Windows
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01:29:35	Nerdy3_14159265	funman: This is Daniel, I'm booted into windows finally
01:32:14	Nerdy3_14159265	I've reinstalled the bootloader
01:32:49	Nerdy3_14159265	Should I also update to the current build?
01:35:14	funman	yes
01:37:04	Nerdy3_14159265	I'll do that as soon as the disk check is complete
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01:57:00	Nerdy3_14159265	The disk check is complete and I'm restarting to check it in Ubuntu. Also it's updated to the latest build
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02:19:42	JdGordon	[Saint]: wouldn't you rather work on 1024*768 cabbie? :)
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02:20:42	daniel___	Well, I'm back and I have good news
02:20:55	[Saint]	I've got the <whatever_the_GN's_resolution_is> guys breathing down my neck too :)
02:21:22	daniel___	funman: I want to thank you. I can finally access all my files and should be able to finally take care of everything
02:21:25	JdGordon	who's your favorite dev though? :)
02:21:34	[Saint]	hahaha :D
02:21:43	[Saint]	Good call.
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04:09:26	daniel___	I have another problem with my fuze. It's randomly turning read-only
04:19:54	[Saint_]	health filesystems or/and fully functional hardware simply shouldn't do that.
04:20:16	[Saint_]	though, you're probably aware of that. ;)
04:20:36	[Saint_]	s/heath/healthy/
04:21:06	JdGordon	daniel___: what makes you think that?
04:21:20	JdGordon	rockbox says it cant write? or your computer?
04:21:28	daniel___	my computer
04:21:35	JdGordon	fsck
04:21:41	daniel___	I can be mid transfer and suddenly it goes read-only
04:21:56	daniel___	Unplugging and replugging fixes it temporarily
04:22:52	[Saint_]	yeah, that sounds very much like a trashed filesystem.
04:23:23	daniel___	Weirdest part is it just randomly changed back and let me transfer a bunch of files completely fine.
04:23:32	JdGordon	linux or windows?
04:23:37	daniel___	Ubuntu
04:23:51	JdGordon	do a fsck on the drive
04:23:53	daniel___	fsck checks and fixes disks right?
04:24:05	[Saint_]	fsck -a does
04:24:16	daniel___	fsck just tells you information
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04:27:56	[Saint_]	"fsck -a /path/to/device/" will do it.
04:27:59	daniel___	where can I find the path for the fuze
04:29:55	[Saint_]	does "lsusb" list the mountpoint?
04:30:50	[Saint_]	I'm hopeless at remembering linux commandline things.
04:31:12	funman	mount
04:32:44	daniel___	Don't I have to dismount it before running fsck it says that'll cause damage
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04:35:35	[Saint_]	umount /path/to/device
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04:41:11	daniel___	okay done. I'll post the output
04:42:10	daniel___	~/MUSIC/The Beatles/1/Get Back.ogg
04:42:12	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:42:13	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:42:15	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.000
04:42:17	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/1/Hey Jude.ogg
04:42:18	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:42:20	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:42:21	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.001
04:42:23	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/2F000000_A Collection of Beatles Oldi/Bad Boy.MP3
04:42:24	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:42:26	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:42:27	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.000
04:42:29	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/Abbey Road (Remastered)/Sun King.ogg
04:42:30	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:42:32	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:42:33	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.000
04:42:35	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/Abbey Road (Remastered)/The End.ogg
04:42:37	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:42:38	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:42:38	[Saint_]	oh...no...please no.
04:42:39	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.001
04:42:41	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/87020000_Beatles For Sale (Remastered/No Reply.ogg
04:42:42	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:42:44	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:42:45	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.000
04:42:47	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/Let It Be (Remastered)/Dig It.ogg
04:42:49	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:42:50	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:42:52	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.000
04:42:54	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/Let It Be (Remastered)/Get Back.ogg
04:42:54	[Saint_]	c'mon floodkick.
04:42:55	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:42:57	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:42:59	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.001
04:43:00	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/LOVE/Get Back.wma
04:43:02	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:43:04	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:43:05	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.000
04:43:07	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/LOVE/Gnik Nus.wma
04:43:08	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:43:10	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:43:12	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.001
04:43:14	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/LOVE/Hey Jude.wma
04:43:15	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:43:17	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:43:18	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.002
04:43:20	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/Past Masters 1/Bad Boy.ogg
04:43:21	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:43:23	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:43:25	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.000
04:43:26	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/Past Masters 1/I'm Down.ogg
04:43:27	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:43:29	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:43:30	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.001
04:43:32	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/Past Masters 1/This Boy.ogg
04:43:33	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:43:35	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:43:37	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.002
04:43:38	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/Past Masters 2/Get Back.ogg
04:43:40	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:43:41	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:43:43	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.000
04:43:44	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/Past Masters 2/Hey Jude.ogg
04:43:46	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:43:47	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:43:49	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.001
04:43:50	daniel___	/MUSIC/The Beatles/51030000_The Beatles (The White Album/I Will.ogg
04:43:52	daniel___	Bad file name.
04:43:53	daniel___	Auto-renaming it.
04:43:55	daniel___	Renamed to FSCK0000.000
04:43:56	daniel___	Performing changes.
04:43:58	daniel___	/dev/sdb: 1344 files, 136515/241540 clusters
04:44:01	curtism	can this guy be put down?
04:44:15	[Saint_]	thanks for that, daniel___ :)
04:44:31	[Saint_]	pastebin.com might've been better.
04:44:41	Mode	"#rockbox +o [Saint_]" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
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04:47:58	daniel___	Sorry about that, I didn't think before I posted. I didn't realize it would separate it into like 100 different messages. How does it look? Should I erase and reload the corrupted files onto it?
04:48:18	funman	format it
04:48:25	funman	and reinstall rockbox
04:48:48	daniel___	I'm guessing the OFW has a format option
04:49:17	[Saint]	it does, yes.
04:49:28	daniel___	Welp this sucks
04:49:47	daniel___	Sorry if I appear like a super newb
04:49:51	daniel___	Thanks for the help though
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04:53:13	daniel___	Hey while I'm on here does anyone know how to fix the scroll wheel light. Everytime it turns on the backlight turns off
04:56:37	funman	RTFM (Read The Fine Manual)
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04:58:16	daniel___	???
04:58:52	funman	the manual has a lot of answers
04:59:00	funman	did you read it already?
04:59:09	funman	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-build.html
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05:03:08	daniel___	I've read most of it, I fixed this in rockbox by disabling the scroll wheel light. I was wondering if there was a fix that got to the root of the problem though. Also can I format the fuze with something other than it's internal formatter because I'm stuck on the refreshing your media screen
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05:05:44	funman	yes
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05:43:19	*	[Saint] just had a thought...
05:44:57	[Saint]	If ffw/rwd was allowed in the .sbs, you could do something like "resume playback only jumps to .wps if *.wps is present, and control playback completely from the .sbs for large screen devices that could easily display the main menu and a decent playback area
05:45:23	JdGordon	you sure they don't work in the sbs?
05:45:32	[Saint]	positive.
05:46:14	[Saint]	Oh...shit. sorrt/ its next/prev
05:46:20	[Saint]	*sorry
05:46:50	[Saint]	ffw/rwd work, next/prev moves the line selector.
05:47:15	[Saint]	*wps_next/wps_prev rather
05:49:29	[Saint]	shit, hahaha...don't shoot me ;)
05:49:51	[Saint]	I was right the first time. damn you making me question myself :P
05:52:00	[Saint]	yep yep..definitely positive. fwd/rew moves the line selector. wps_next/prev work as intended.
05:53:31	JdGordon	so use that?
05:54:30	[Saint]	ECONFUSING
05:54:52	[Saint]	"there's no way to fwd/rew in the .sbs, but next/prev works as intended"
05:56:42	JdGordon	?
05:57:40	[Saint]	for <some reason> in the .sbs the fwd/rew touch areas move the line selector instead. I'm not sure why next/prev needed seperate touch areas in the .sbs than they do in the .sbs (wps_next/prev vs. next/prev) but perhaps this has something to do with it.
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06:01:55	[Saint]	you made wps_next and wps_prev so that skipping would be possible from the .sbs (why the same defines as the .wps uses wouldn't work is beyond me but I recall you explaining it), perhaps fwd/rew are doing "weird things" for the same reason?
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06:17:51	*	[Saint] shits some more cabbie onto the tracker
06:20:35	JdGordon	use gerrit
06:26:25	*	[Saint] didnt think gerrit was for things in a non-comittable state
06:33:08	JdGordon	neither is flyspray really
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06:39:55	saratoga	v2
06:39:57	saratoga	funman: you get anywhere with that clipv3?
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06:45:46	funman	i have to solder the battery again
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08:47:27	thims	does anyone happen to know, is there away to run more then one command in in if statement (technically a conditional)?
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08:48:20	thims	say %?XX<%do%this%aswell%as%this%statusbar%show%icon\|%default%to%this>
08:50:02	thims	more specifically I am trying to wrap a statusbar with 2 images, and the final image is the only thing that shows up at x position 0. The exact line in the wps/ file is "%?mv(1)<%ac%xd(Sa)%pv(0, 46, 64, 9, volume_statusbar_fill.bmp)%xd(Sb)\|%ac%it>"
08:51:14	thims	a newline just breaks the parsing engine, a comma is for the subline. I am beginning to think that quite possibly this is a bug or the parsing engine is not capable of this complexity.
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09:07:49	[Saint_]	thims: the progressbar breaks it.
09:08:00	[Saint_]	you can't put a bar in a condition.
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09:11:01	[Saint_]	"%?mv(1)<%ac%xd(Sa)%Vd(viewport_id_for_progress_bar_viewport)%xd(Sb)\|%ac%it>" will work.
09:11:10	JdGordon	he said statusbar...
09:11:15	JdGordon	not progressbar?
09:11:38	JdGordon	errr
09:11:52	[Saint_]	mixed terms
09:12:13	[Saint_]	the %pv(foo) is a giveaway
09:12:13	JdGordon	right
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09:18:39	CIA-81	Commit 36281c4 in rockbox by Marcin Bukat: MPIO HD300: Fix scrollstip issue at driver level.
09:21:03	CIA-81	36281c4 build result: All green
09:22:36	CIA-81	Commit c42f19f in rockbox by Jonathan Gordon: Disable the backdrop in the failsafe theme so the colours acually work
09:24:50	CIA-81	c42f19f build result: All green
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09:25:12	[Saint_]	/me starts looking more deeply at the weird hackery he'll need to do to convert the massive 25 segment bitmapstrip for the titlebar into using translatable lang strings.
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09:25:44	JdGordon	why wierd hackery?
09:26:23	bully	I followed the hello world rockbox tutorial. im trying to figure out how to change pixel colors on my sansa clip v2 now. i looked at the plugins but they are walls of text to me. can anyone point me to something to look at please?
09:28:32	[Saint_]	because I need the touch area to be larger than the font will be, and there's no way to center the text in the viewport (vertically, it can be done horizontally of course). So I'll need to a: draw the touch area in the default viewport (which seems wrong, but is ok I guess), or b: have two thin blank viewports above and below the viewport containing the text and make one larger touch area out of three.
09:28:38	[Saint_]	ELONGANSWER
09:29:45	[Saint_]	a: is acceptable, but it seems wrong because everything else is drawn in its own nice tidy viewport, not in the defalut </pedantic>
09:30:41	[Saint_]	The propper solution is almost certainly: "stop trying to make your code perfect, and just make it fuckign work".
09:30:55	JdGordon	you can center the text vertically now
09:31:04	JdGordon	well once its is added to the skin engine
09:31:11	[Saint_]	Hahahah :)
09:31:14	[Saint_]	Do tell.
09:31:29	JdGordon	that horrible line height patch that went in that i was massivly against
09:31:53	[Saint_]	applies to all viewports?
09:32:07	JdGordon	can be applied to any viewport
09:32:10	JdGordon	brb
09:32:12	[Saint_]	Hmmm.
09:32:21	CIA-81	Commit 0499aff in rockbox by Marcin Bukat: WM8750: Extend recording gain range.
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09:34:02	thims	[Saint_]: isnt %pV boolean though?
09:34:37	CIA-81	0499aff build result: All green
09:34:52	[Saint_]	I'm not sure what you're asking there...point stands, you can't draw a bar in a condition.
09:35:19	[Saint_]	not like that, anyway.
09:35:59	JdGordon	since when?
09:36:27	JdGordon	it is for sure better to use viewports though
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09:36:53	[Saint_]	so, %?mv(1)<%ac%xd(Sa)%pv(0, 46, 64, 9, volume_statusbar_fill.bmp)%xd(Sb)\|%ac%it>" is valid?
09:37:02	[Saint_]	...shit, I didn't think it could be done.
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09:39:11	JdGordon	I cant tihnk of any obvious reason it owuldnt work
09:39:11	JdGordon	it maybe not update enough though
09:40:01	[Saint_]	that may be why I have it stuck in my head its "not right(TM)" then.
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09:42:09	thims	JdGordon: the viewports can be defined in a conditional statement? I am trying to make an active volume bar, so it replaces current song with volume level when the volume is changed.
09:42:36	thims	I am in the understanding that viewports, once set are permanent.
09:42:48	[Saint_]	nope.
09:43:44	JdGordon	that nope was to the first message, your second one was correct
09:43:45	[Saint_]	there's %V (draw always) and %Vl/%Vd (viewport load/viewport draw) viewport types.
09:44:05	*	JdGordon shuts up
09:44:36	thims	I am beginning to think what I want to do is to complex for the parsing engine.
09:45:19	JdGordon	unlikely
09:45:34	thims	that or it will take a ridiculous static pseudo progress bar
09:45:51	JdGordon	no
09:46:10	[Saint_]	what? no...its easily poiisible. but not if you're intent on avoiding viewports.
09:46:13	thims	made in a big bmp to make the transition of the temporary volume bar to be smooth.
09:46:33	thims	I guess I am lacking how viewports would solve the problem.
09:46:57	thims	the conditional is in its own specific viewport.
09:47:47	JdGordon	setup a viewport whjich draws the 2 images and the progressbar/volumebar... then in the mian viewport do %?mh<%Vd(that other viewport)>
09:47:53	thims	http://pastebin.com/ecRKU2cj viewport and conditional
09:48:01	JdGordon	so when %mh is true it will display what you want
09:48:56	thims	oooohhhhh
09:48:59	thims	good call
09:49:28	JdGordon	you also cant display images like that
09:49:35	JdGordon	you need to specify rhe pixel to draw them at
09:49:59	[Saint_]	Awww...dammit, I was halfway through a nice pastebin for a more convoluted solution :)
09:50:35	JdGordon	I'm sure you were :)
09:51:15	*	[Saint_] assumes Sa and Sb are declared elsewhere where we can't see...
09:52:16	thims	indeed, in the header of the script. It is basiclly a 2 element BMP with a mute icon and a speaker icon.
09:52:26	thims	[Saint_]: do finish it.
09:52:33	*	thims is a nerd for clean concise code
09:55:24	JdGordon	2 words that arnt in [Saint_]'s skining vocabulary!
09:55:29	bully	I followed the hello world rockbox tutorial. im trying to figure out how to change pixel colors on my sansa clip v2 now. i looked at the plugins but they are walls of text to me. can anyone point me to something to look at please?
09:56:19	[Saint_]	I'd do it with two viewports, personally. Declaring their conditions in the default viewport.
09:56:21	JdGordon	bully: well, what are you actually trying to do?
09:56:25	[Saint_]	like so: http://pastebin.com/VM0PHym9
09:56:52	bully	JdGordon: i just want to do anything at all. change pixel 15,15 or whatever. draw smiley faces
09:57:18	JdGordon	then open up plugin.h and look at all the lcd_* functions
09:58:19	[Saint_]	thims: You follow that paste?
09:58:35	[Saint_]	I cut the convoluted method right out...kept it simple.
09:58:45	bully	[Saint_]: who are you taking to?
09:59:17	[Saint_]	thims, which is why the post starts with his nick.
09:59:50	kadoban	bully: there's also http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GraphicsAPI , but yeah, the plugin.h is where to start, and you'll probably have to keep trying to look at other plugins as you go along
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10:00:42	[Saint_]	the LUA stuff might be worth a look...its reasonably complete.
10:00:44	thims	[Saint_]: that is similar to how I am trying it now, only I declare my viewports before the conditional
10:01:52	[Saint_]	thims: I'm not sure that will work, as it will try drawing inside the viewport that the conditions are declared under.
10:02:31	[Saint_]	which is why I declare them topmost, to tell it "we want these drawn in the default viewport (fullscreen)
10:02:41	[Saint_]	"
10:03:30	thims	also are the empty comments after the backgrounded viewports used to finish the decleration of that viewport? This idea of where the backgrounded viewport is ended is where I am a bit confused.
10:04:06	wodz	I uploaded arm stack unwinder patch to the gerrit http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,69. Hope this will promote discussion and we get to some consensus about this feature.
10:04:06	CIA-81	Commit 426b0f1 in www by Björn Stenberg: Update some web scripts to deal with hash revisions.
10:04:26	[Saint_]	stuff sarts getting drawn in viewports after the first viewport declaration.
10:04:42	[Saint_]	if a new viewport is declared, it'll get drawn in there.
10:04:59	wodz	I am leaving FS #12302 open though as it contains preliminary work on symbols resolving by pamury
10:04:59	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12302 Add backtrace to the panic screen on ARM (patches, new)
10:05:01	[Saint_]	(unless its conditional)
10:06:01	[Saint_]	But, to keep things simple...and pain free, it pays to keep all conditionals that handle switching viewports above the first viewport declaration (if you have static viewports).
10:08:18	[Saint_]	the comments I put there just so its not a wall of mneaningless text for you.
10:09:52	thims	[Saint_]: Thank you, it seems to be working outside of my statusbar, but I think that is something I am doing.
10:10:14	thims	I wasnt thinking about fixed viewports that are dynamically changed, quite clever.
10:11:06	[Saint_]	generally speaking, I find the best flow for a theme to avoid drawing issues is: preload all images, conditions for dynamic viewports, declare viewports
10:12:10	*	[Saint_] thinks he can spot why its not working inside your statusbar.
10:12:51	[Saint_]	its out of bounds.
10:15:03	thims	out of bounds?
10:16:29	[Saint_]	there's no way you can draw a 64x9 bar 0,46 when the viewport you're drawing in is only 128,10.
10:16:41	[Saint_]	*bar at
10:17:32	[Saint_]	when drawing inside a viewport, x and y are viewport relative, not screen relative.
10:17:56	[Saint_]	so 0,0 will be top let of the viewport, not the screen...you dig?
10:18:32	thims	I do indeed.
10:18:56	[Saint_]	whoops, *top left
10:19:07	thims	I need more experience with the parsing engine I would say.
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10:19:44	[Saint_]	viewport/screen relativity gets a lot of people initially.
10:20:00	[Saint_]	when I started, there was no such thing as a viewport :)
10:20:33	thims	that would be cripalling
10:21:07	thims	but some how people figure out how to do gnarly stuff with fundamental building blocks.
10:21:20	[Saint_]	the theme engine has come a loooooong way, mostly thanks to my main man Mr JdGordon over there.
10:21:34	thims	complexity with simplicity is beautiful, but simplicity with simplicity is better yet.
10:23:09	Zagor	[Saint_]: and soon I'll be breaking everything again ;-)
10:24:53	[Saint_]	What's that Zagor? Oh...for some strange reason I can't hear you with my hands over my ears screaming "La la la la la...I can't hear you!"
10:24:56	[Saint_]	;)
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10:27:11	JdGordon	Zagor: hows your lcd stuff going?
10:27:12	thims	[Saint_]: Thank you for you're help, very helpful.
10:27:25	JdGordon	bluebrother: can you add gerrit links to your fsbot?
10:29:17	Zagor	JdGordon: stalled at the moment. but now that the git migration is pretty much done I can refocusing on lcd.
10:29:43	JdGordon	can you push it somewhere? i'm interested in the lcd_* cleanup
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10:30:04	preglow	Zagor: are you able to check if my thomj@rockbox.org alias is broken in any way?
10:31:26	wodz	kugel: yes backtrace from panicf() works.
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10:34:55	Zagor	JdGordon: it's in a rather messy state. I suppose I should ask Torne to import the branch to git so everyone can look at it there.
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10:38:19	Zagor	actually the lcd_* rework is not so bad. the mess is mostly in the later relativism effort.
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10:38:38	JdGordon	whats einstein got to do with this? :p
10:40:31	GodEater_	Zagor's code is now so compact it's on the verge of self collapse and forming a singularity? :)
10:40:52	Zagor	approaching the coveted 1-bit universe
10:41:10	GodEater_	Rockbox - Now with included blackhole!
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10:59:58	[Saint_]	thims: you can bug me here, or on G+ or Twitter if you get stuck. Here is better, though, as other (possibly more correct) people can chime in if I'm not around.
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11:07:22	funman	Clipv2 bootloader (not ours) seem to perform checksum checks on the flashed firmware and enter recovery mode if incorrect
11:08:13	wodz	funman: you mean on this clips which reject to get flashed, right?
11:08:38	funman	yeah in fact they are flashed, but then they are bricked until recovered: neither OF neither rockbox will boot
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11:09:08	[Saint_]	interesting.
11:09:34	funman	i am using first generation of mkamsboot to keep things simple and easy to understand, it just needs a bit of update to support 'v2 OF format'
11:09:43	wodz	is this 'checking bootloader' in rom or in nand?
11:11:38	*	[Saint_] wonders if this was a deliberate anti-rockbox thing, or a "nice" way to handle a damaged binary.
11:12:06	funman	wodz: rom because the firmware is written in nand
11:12:44	wodz	funman: it still can sit in some special nand place
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11:13:18	funman	the OF file is written as-is on the first sectors of the nand but there is some extra room which is used for unknown purposes
11:13:59	wodz	I guess there is no way to dump rom in current state...
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11:18:55	funman	i don't remember coming anywhere close to OF upgrade code in OF
11:19:22	funman	simple mkamsboot seems to work
11:22:21	funman	hm i always count to 9 seconds before seeing the OF boot.. regardless of the amount of loops the delay does
11:28:38	dionoea	hello
11:28:50	funman	nope our code is definitely not run
11:29:04	funman	hi dionoea
11:29:18	dionoea	I'm trying to use the database (first time) and it gets stuck during db creation on "Building database... 3267 found (PREV to return)"
11:29:23	dionoea	is that a known bug?
11:29:48	funman	yeah parser can fail on a file
11:29:56	dionoea	(with a build from 2 or 3 days ago on a sansa e260 using music on an microsd card)
11:29:58	funman	bisect your music folder to find which file
11:30:09	dionoea	and if it fails on a file it doesn't skip it?
11:30:19	funman	not if it infinite loops
11:30:28	dionoea	hum ok.
11:30:35	funman	it's probably a bug in one of the parsers
11:30:39	dionoea	I'll bissect it when I get back home
11:32:04	wodz	funman: how do you jump to custom code?
11:34:24	funman	we change first word of firmware payload which is reset vector
11:35:46	wodz	hmm
11:37:08	funman	http://pastie.org/3249002
11:37:18	funman	diff between OF and patched OF
11:38:00	funman	i inverted firmware block size and checksum (2) // the first block is repeated 2 times
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11:39:30	wodz	maybe they changed loader to not trigger reset but simply do something line ldr pc,=main
11:39:31	wodz	that would be stupid though
11:41:32	funman	worth a try
11:46:32	[Saint_]	dionoea: there's a tool just for this purpose in debug
11:47:36	[Saint_]	"metadata log" in degug keepout
11:48:31	funman	wodz: or they have a 2 images binary for ram and iram, and they execute from the other one
11:49:26	wodz	could be yes
11:52:03	wodz	but vector table is easy to spot - does this begining of payload you are patching looks like vector table?
11:52:34	funman	yes it's undoubtedly the vector table
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11:55:06	wodz	maybe try to track down where original reset vector jumps
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12:02:27	funman	the OF does patches its software interrupt vector
12:05:30	wodz	what you mean?
12:06:20	funman	it loads swi vector (at 0x08) and compare it to a branch instruction
12:06:58	funman	hey cool, i can light the led
12:07:06	funman	i had forgotten to enable the GPIO clock
12:07:32	funman	looks like the CPU is clocked very fast
12:11:32	wodz	funman: so actual patching of reset vector works but CPU is so fast you don't see the delay?
12:11:45	funman	yeah that's it
12:12:20	wodz	that still not bad
12:12:35	funman	i reverted to original code (path reset vector at 0x0) and increased the delay again but i don't see it being executed
12:13:27	funman	the entry point might very well be elsewhere
12:13:43	funman	and depend on the bootloader revision of clipv2
12:14:51	funman	seems to be it
12:16:46	wodz	kugel: I stated this earlier - hybrid compiler added to the rockboxdev.sh has additional dependencies (not needed for other toolchains). flex, bison, libtool, curl, awk which are not installed by build-essential for example. This is annoying. At least you should be warrned about this.
12:18:21	funman	wodz: thanks for the hint! :)
12:18:57	wodz	funman: so whats the full story, what they changed?
12:20:23	funman	let me check but here's the current status:
12:21:18	funman	0x0 (vector) does ldr pc=0x138 -> 0x138 does b 0x20c
12:21:28	funman	we used to patch 0x0 and it works for eveyr model and some clipv2
12:21:40	funman	i patched 0x0 and it didnt work on that one, patched 0x20c and it worked
12:22:04	funman	0x138 / 0x20c addresses are the same on the 3 clipv2 firmwares i have
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12:23:01	wodz	thats insane
12:23:31	Torne	presumably there is some kind of header
12:23:35	funman	i need to double check to make sure i'm not dreaming
12:23:44	funman	Torne: the usual header of ams OF
12:23:50	Torne	and their loader has switched from relying on the first word being an instruction, to jumping straight after the header
12:23:56	Torne	or whstever
12:24:09	wodz	well what if you patch 0x138?
12:24:36	funman	i could try but now i'm trying to boot rockbox directly
12:30:12	Torne	who created the rockbox G+ page? :)
12:30:19	wodz	ok If patching 0x138 doesn't work also it means that loader must do ldr pc,=main and main entrypoint is either in some header or is const address
12:30:58	funman	winner!
12:31:46	funman	i wonder how much clipv2 were bricked that way..
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12:32:08	Torne	so, i have a question: if that's the problem, why does it cause it to brick?
12:32:13	Torne	shouldn't it just continue to boot the OF?
12:32:21	funman	no
12:32:55	funman	we bzero() what we don't use O:
12:33:08	Torne	hahaha
12:33:18	funman	http://pastie.org/3249229 "fix" for clipv2 breaking some fuzev2
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12:37:52	funman	looks like the entry point is 0x138
12:39:39	funman	well we could read reset vector and patch target
12:39:50	funman	and perhaps remove that bzeroing just in case
12:40:02	wodz	yep that should be the safest
12:40:43	funman	well it's just that we need 2 works for ldr, and patching the reset vector needed only one (we patched the address loaded, not the instruction)
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12:42:38	funman	ah no i'm wrong.
12:44:46	Torne	it doesn't have to be ldr, though, no?
12:44:52	Torne	you can just branch..
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12:45:02	funman	no we put b 0x200 currently
12:45:17	funman	if the OF vector is ldr pc, =XX
12:45:24	funman	if will put a mov pc, #0x200 at XX
12:45:27	funman	sounds sensible ?
12:46:10	Torne	s'fine if the target fits in a literal
12:47:44	funman	the target is always 0x200
12:48:33	Torne	ah, ok
12:48:42	Torne	i assumed we would put our code on the end..
12:49:29	funman	yes and no
12:50:23	funman	ucl unpack code and compressed files are at the end of firmware block, dualboot.S at the start (at 0x200)
12:50:52	Torne	ah, ok
12:51:04	funman	i think it evolved in small steps to make sure we only brick clipv2s
12:51:14	Torne	heh
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13:22:17	funman	http://pastie.org/3249436 is not enough (i verified that 0x138 contains mov pc, #0x200)
13:23:00	funman	perhaps we ocme from thumb
13:27:48	funman	no it doesn't make much sense, and we're not branching to thumb either
13:27:57	wodz	0x138 have b 0x20c, can't you patch it to b 0x200 ?
13:28:41	wodz	anyway are you sure that 0x138 is even triggered?
13:28:50	funman	nope
13:29:45	funman	20c has more references it seems
13:30:24	funman	hmm
13:30:25	wodz	I guess ldr pc,=0x138 and b 0x20c are emmited in pair and true entry point is 0x20c actually
13:31:03	wodz	so if loader do ldr pc,=main I guess it jumps directly to 0x20c
13:32:20	funman	it's weird because my previous fix worked and it overwrites code above 0x200
13:32:35	funman	http://pastie.org/3249229
13:32:36	wodz	what is under 0x200, 0x204, 0x208 before patching?
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13:38:41	funman	nothing interesting
13:39:23	funman	ah i found other targets
13:40:53	funman	the 5 first vectors (but irq/fiq/reserved) all points to 0x20c
13:42:36	wodz	so 0x20c is real entrypoint
13:47:22	funman	http://pastie.org/3249540
13:47:39	funman	yeah but i want to know how it branches to 0x20c !
13:48:28	funman	SWI ?
13:49:55	wodz	why? loader code can jump directly
13:50:30	funman	yep but at 0x200 we put our own code already
13:50:41	funman	so it loader branches at 0x20c immediately i couldn't have booted rockbox
13:51:28	funman	i'm trying to modify vectors only
13:53:09	funman	yep that works
13:53:39	funman	- memcpy(buf + 0x400 + 4*i, b_1b, sizeof(b_1b));
13:53:39	funman	+ put_uint32le(buf + 0x400 + 4*i, 0xe3a0fc02);
13:53:46	funman	which is mov pc, #0x200
13:53:56	funman	no fucking clue what is going on
13:56:08	funman	and now the more important stuff: finding what will be the first song played on brickable clipv2 ;)
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14:14:27	funman	pressing home button works in bootloader (i see the verbose boot) - but doesn't prevent USB mass storage connection
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16:15:12	skamster	wiki and files are broken/spamed
16:15:45	skamster	i think, you peoples could have more ideas, how i could flash it.. don't like the standart-os..
16:15:46	skamster	;)
16:19:59	skamster	ok, i found the right channel of archopen (searched before for #medios), but it's quite empty there.. so if someone got a clue, it would be cool to recive help.. :)
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17:30:21	skamster	hello all.. i think, i've got a archos av100 (just written with jukebox multimedia, 20gb).. i know that rockbox isn't installable on that device (or is it? if yes, please help).. i've tried to install archosopen, downloaded the build for av100 and put the files into the root-folder of my device - no effect.. wiki and files on archosopen are broken or spammed, so i have no clue.. but maybe you people have clue about that? thanks for e
17:30:21	skamster	very help!
17:31:41	jhMikeS	n1s: it's acting like the batt switch is turned off :\
17:32:18	n1s	jhMikeS: that's mighty weird, no
17:32:19	n1s	?
17:32:51	jhMikeS	yes :)
17:33:28	jhMikeS	is there a stub somewhere that returns the switch as being off instead of on?
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17:35:18	n1s	the last change in http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fdef40#patch1 looks a bit suspicious
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17:37:09	n1s	or perhaps not, i don't think i fully understand that stuff
17:42:25	jhMikeS	in firmware/powermgmt-sim.c I think is the problem
17:42:43	[Saint]	skamster: afaik, Rockbox only runs on the Ondio(FM), Player, Recorder(FM/V1/V2) for the Archos'
17:42:49	jhMikeS	power_input_status
17:43:44	[Saint]	skamster: Oh...and later Archos IT devices will run Rockbox as an Application with Android as the host OS
17:44:16	[Saint]	to the best of my knowledge, that's the Archos lineup as far as Rockbox support is concerned
17:47:41	jhMikeS	oops uisimulator/common/powermgmt-sim.c
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18:07:16	funman	http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,70
18:07:24	funman	GERRIT#70
18:10:29	jhMikeS	aright, wtf happened to my commit?
18:11:32	jhMikeS	I committed from a personal branch, but I'm guess I missed a step
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19:01:01	dreamlayers	Should it be possible to build the sim in OS X?
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19:04:50	n1s	jhMikeS: yeah, it says 100% now
19:05:15	n1s	iirc the sim used to cycle the battery charge level but it doesn't seem to anymore
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19:28:14	bertrik	AMSv1 appears to use 50 mA step, AMSv2 appears to use 70 mA steps, at least according to documentation
19:28:39	bertrik	not really that different, so probably not harmful, but different anyway
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19:37:45	bluebrother	JdGordon: how do you suggest gerrit links should look like? Search for complete links and try to retrieve the review title? Or search for something like G#123 and interpret it as gerrit review ID?
19:38:54	gevaerts	We don't have a tradition for something like the latter yet
19:39:11	bluebrother	yes, that't the reason I'm asking :)
19:39:18	gevaerts	Maybe having a bot recognise that would help establish it :)
19:39:34	bluebrother	unfortunately gerrit hands out a pretty much empty page and generates the content using javascript
19:39:44	bluebrother	which is a bit of a problem
19:40:01	bluebrother	we could also recognize Gerrit#123 or Review#123 :)
19:40:17	bluebrother	as long as I can catch it using a regexp things are fine
19:41:44	gevaerts	Maybe use git to get at it?
19:42:30	bluebrother	hmm, might work. Need to give that some more thinking I guess
19:44:12	bluebrother	reminds me that I wanted to rework the bot to be able of adding some more unit tests
19:45:01	gevaerts	Maybe there's a magic way to get gitweb to show the commit based on something like refs/changes/69?
19:45:38	bluebrother	having a way to retrieve arbitrary stuff via gitweb would be quite useful for fixing deploy.py as well
19:46:29	Torne	no magic required; you can browse to any ref you like
19:47:28	Torne	er, by entering the url, i mean
19:47:28	Torne	it only lists heads and tags
19:47:29	Torne	also gerrit has a real api you cna ask for info over, ou shouldn't need to scrape the html
19:47:30	gevaerts	I know everything is there, I just don't know how to build the URL
19:47:46	Torne	all refs ar ethe same
19:47:50	Torne	pick one that is listed, edit the path to say something else
19:47:55	bluebrother	hmm, I guess I have to give gerrit a closer look
19:48:25	Torne	there may not be any obvious docs for the json api
19:48:26	Torne	:)
19:48:49	Torne	check the gerrit project on google code and the mailing list there
19:50:21	bluebrother	hmm, do I really need to use ssh to query gerrit?
19:50:42	Torne	you should be able to talk to the json interface the web interface uses
19:51:02	Torne	the ssh query interface is meant for things like continuous builders or automatic code review
19:51:17	Torne	where they want asynchronous notifications of new changes and so on
19:53:08	Torne	hm.
19:53:09	Torne	it might need t be ssh, actually
19:54:38	Torne	look on the mailing list, other people have done various stuff
19:54:46	Torne	gevaerts: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/changes/69/69/1
19:54:56	bluebrother	hmm. Maybe it would be useful if the bot would recognize commit sha1's and print the first line of the commit message?
19:55:33	Torne	gevaerts: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=refs/changes/69/69/1 probably more appropriate
19:55:41	*	gevaerts nods
19:55:46	Torne	gevaerts: i'm not sure where the second 69 comes from though
19:55:49	Torne	i suspect it's hashing
19:56:00	Torne	i.e. the first one is a prefix/suffix/modulus/something
19:56:08	Torne	that links to a particular patchset, though
19:56:13	Torne	i.e. not the latest version, a specific version
19:56:13	bluebrother	hmm, scraping that URL might be a simple solution
19:56:16	gevaerts	Yes, I'm wondering about that too. Also the /1. Might that be a revision number?
19:56:20	Torne	Yes
19:56:45	gevaerts	So you'd have to be careful there
19:56:46	Torne	There is no ref that refers to the latest version of the change, that i know of
19:57:02	bluebrother	so if there is an update of the review it will become /2?
19:57:17	Torne	bluebrother: yes
19:57:23	Torne	All versions of the patchset hang around forever
19:57:29	Torne	so, they have to have unique refnames
19:58:09	Torne	the easiest way is almost certainly working out how to query gerrit over http and get the json output back
19:58:29	Torne	you'll have to go look for how to make that query, but once you know that it's basically done
19:58:33	Torne	the json format is documented
19:58:35	bluebrother	yes.
19:58:40	Torne	(since it's the same thing that gerrit query returns)
19:58:49	Torne	i can take a look sometime, but atm i'm on a train :)
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20:02:04	Torne	i expect that gerrit in future will have a way to get more of this data via git, since they are moving away from using the database
20:13:56	CIA-81	Commit f1d3ff4 in rockbox by Frank Gevaerts: Remove ata_removable() and ata_present() from multidriver code.
20:15:59	CIA-81	f1d3ff4 build result: All green
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20:21:45	amiconn	Torne: What do I need to do that git knows me as a commiter? Is that status transferred from svn?
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20:30:41	dreamlayers	amiconn: one of the administrators needs to add you to the Rockbox Committers group
20:52:29	Torne	amiconn: i'll do it, one moment
20:52:47	Torne	we can't transfer it from svn automatically because there's no sane way to relate who is who
20:53:02	Torne	Done
20:53:17	amiconn	Thanks
20:53:33	Torne	btw, you RSB-type people may want to talk to the swedes about maybe if some other people should be in the admin group
20:53:35	*	amiconn still needs to create ssh keys
20:53:37	Torne	currently it's them and me
20:54:11	pixelma	Torne: do I have to ask too?
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20:55:24	Torne	pixelma: done now :)
20:55:41	pixelma	thanks :)
20:58:22	AlexP	Torne: I don't think that's very different from SVN (in fact there is now an extra person too)
20:59:17	Torne	Right, but with svn it's because ou need to edit files on the server
20:59:45	AlexP	True
20:59:51	Torne	anyway, i'm not saying we need more people
20:59:54	AlexP	Well, I don't mind either way :)
20:59:58	Torne	i'm just saying the people in charge may want to discuss it :))
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21:00:29	AlexP	Is it just for adding committers, or is there other stuff?
21:00:50	Torne	administrators can change who is in any group, can change the permissions on projects, and can run a few things like sql queries over ssh
21:01:10	AlexP	OK
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21:01:14	Torne	we could add a new group that had the power to modify who was in the committers group
21:01:18	Torne	and use that, actually
21:01:25	Torne	then it wouldn't open them up to the other bits
21:01:28	Torne	it's all flexible
21:01:45	AlexP	My view would be to maybe wait and see if we need it
21:01:48	Torne	notably, being in the admin group doesn't give you any permissions on actual projects
21:01:54	Torne	i.e. it doesn't enable you to do anything extra through git
21:02:02	Torne	so it doesn't leave you open to mistaks there :)
21:02:07	AlexP	good :)
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21:04:33	bluebrother	ok, so let's see if this works.
21:04:51	bluebrother	.describe c42f19f89
21:04:52	fs-bluebot	Disable the backdrop in the failsafe theme so the colours acually work by Jonathan Gordon (from Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:22:07 +0000)
21:05:10	bluebrother	I'm not referring to Gerrit #123.
21:05:10	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #123 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,123
21:05:16	bluebrother	or rather G#2
21:05:16	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #2 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,2
21:05:23	bluebrother	or review 5
21:05:23	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #5 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,5
21:05:27	bluebrother	looks fine :)
21:05:44	bluebrother	getting information about the review itself will come later.
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21:06:58	bluebrother	any other ideas?
21:11:18	funman	automated bug fixing :)
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21:14:45	bluebrother	funman: provide me with the algorithm :)
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21:23:02	amiconn	Hmm, does the rockbox git server not listen on ipv6?
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21:57:51	alexbobp	Rockbox for android crashes reliably when it stops playing certain files
21:57:56	alexbobp	either at the end, or if you skip track
21:58:06	alexbobp	is this a known issue? and would it be helpful to provide example files where this happens?
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22:04:02	kugel	I don't think gerrit is made for http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,70
22:05:40	gevaerts	kugel: in what way?
22:06:44	kugel	I don't know the purpose of the ticket, but inclusion to git doesn't seem to be it (considering the ci message)
22:07:46	kugel	not in that form anyway
22:07:53	gevaerts	Right. I'd have phrased that as "Not entirely ready yet" I guess
22:08:08	kugel	if it's still WIP it shouldn't be on gerrit, no?
22:08:21	bluebrother^	why not?
22:08:39	bluebrother^	having it on gerrit makes it possible for others to comment on it.
22:08:48	gevaerts	Technically anything that needs review is a work in progress, unless you know the review won't find any issues
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22:09:34	Torne	kugel: It's absolutelfy for stuff that's WIP, yes
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22:10:06	Torne	The idea is that if you think it's done and want it reviewed, you ask someone to review it
22:10:19	Torne	the existence of a review is not supposed to be a signal that this patch wants committing right now
22:10:37	gevaerts	you could of course set your own -2 to mark it as not ready
22:10:56	kugel	right, "if you think it's done"
22:11:00	Torne	Or -1 if you are not a committer, which while it doesn't technically forbid it being committed, if the author has -1'ed it, that's a pretty strong signal
22:11:21	Torne	i wouldn't generally bother, though
22:11:45	Torne	the expectation should be that it's your change and if you want something done with it, it's up to you to make that happen
22:12:19	kugel	if the uploader even thinks "it's not yet done" then it shouldnt be on gerrit
22:12:26	Torne	Why?
22:12:57	kugel	we end up with the same mess of half-done patches as with flyspray
22:13:33	kugel	I generally don't bother with a code review if the patch is incomplete
22:13:44	gevaerts	Then don't review it
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22:15:38	bluebrother^	it might make a lot of sense to review an early patch if you want to figure if the approach taken is feasible / wanted / etc. even if the patch itself isn't intended to get committed.
22:15:54	bluebrother^	and having such stuff in the same place is a good thing. So put it in Gerrit.
22:16:06	gevaerts	Exactly. Wanting review isn't too related with being ready for commit
22:16:46	Torne	kugel: The intention is that, in general, nobody will ever browse the list of open reviews
22:16:48	bluebrother^	there's a reason one can abandon patches in Gerrit :)
22:16:54	Torne	kugel: they don't on other projects that use code review.
22:17:04	Torne	there are tens of thousands of open reviews on rietveld :)
22:17:22	Torne	Gerrit is a tool for you to use to store youru change, whatever state it's in
22:17:33	Torne	If you want other people to see or do anything with it, you drive this
22:17:36	Torne	by talking to people
22:17:44	Torne	not by just assuming that because it's on some list it will be dealt with
22:18:15	Torne	this is exactly what we discussed at devcon
22:18:16	Torne	:)
22:19:07	Torne	anyway, dinner
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22:28:35	kugel	[Saint]: does your new cabbie version fix the touch region stuff?
22:29:59	kugel	[Saint]: imo the volume pop up in svn is superior to yours
22:30:09	[Saint]	"the touch region stuff"?
22:30:34	[Saint]	and, we've already differed on opinions about "better" :)
22:31:11	kugel	did you look at it? svn actually uses the volume bar in the pop, not the progress bar
22:31:14	kugel	popup
22:33:22	kugel	in the 320x480 version the popup is sometimes stuck (i.e. doesn't show up) and is generally a bit flaky
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22:35:35	[Saint]	when was the last time you tested that, a user reported that on 480x800...in svn and mine.
22:35:41	[Saint]	but its since fixed.
22:35:44	kugel	I know you've pretty much given up on svn cabbie (and haven't had time lately) so I'm in doubt you've actually seen it
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22:35:59	[Saint]	Who says I've given up on it?
22:36:03	kugel	the last version i tested was r7
22:36:18	[Saint]	Haven't. Had. TIme. ...that's all.
22:37:57	[Saint]	I think whatever issue caused this volume thing affected both cabbies, and, is since gone. The one report I got of it, the user updated his build...and it fixed itself automagically.
22:38:31	[Saint]	I never build(s) caused it.ed to whatevr saw it, probably because I never update
22:38:41	[Saint]	wow...that messed up.
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22:39:16	[Saint]	I never saw it, probably because I never updated to whatever build(s) caused it.
22:40:40	kugel	I tried various svn version, and there was no major change in the meantime
22:40:47	kugel	I can try again, though
22:40:53	[Saint]	I pretty much don't pay attention to "weird issues" like that, especially when there's been no change from me to cause it.
22:41:27	kugel	your skin code having bugs is not possible? :)
22:41:28	[Saint]	I had the same thing with a report your alised bitmaps patch fucked font rendering...that "apparently I caused".
22:42:24	[Saint]	generally, themes don't cause issues. Not when they've been working fine for months prior, and not updated during the "breakage" period, no. :)
22:42:49	kugel	IIRC the menu pop didn't show up anymore if you came back from the playlist viewer
22:43:10	kugel	your 320x480 never worked properly for me in that regard
22:43:15	[Saint]	I'll try it here when I've restored my phone.
22:44:06	[Saint]	the code for all three is identical save the viewport/image x/y declarations, so, if one's broken...they all are.
22:45:55	[Saint]	there's a situation caused by the timeouts and a fullscreen redraw (exiting/re-entering the wps for example) where if you're really impatient...you can stop a condition from going true.
22:46:15	[Saint]	that's the "ugliest" thing I've seen possible so far.
22:46:54	[Saint]	...aha!
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22:47:10	[Saint]	and, that sounds like exactly what you're hitting.
22:47:47	[Saint]	I can /probably/ lower the timeout to 1 second...
22:49:00	CIA-81	Commit 63ddd15 in rockbox by Thomas Martitz: Fix win32 simulator build (FS #12564).
22:49:06	[Saint]	I'll pull from git and check your cabbie out to see what it is/isn't doing.
22:49:43	[Saint]	"your cabbie"...lol, I don't think it belongs to anyone anymore. Its got a fair few peoples stink on it :P
22:50:01	CIA-81	Commit 9a4656b in rockbox by Thomas Martitz: Include stdlib.h for atexit().
22:51:17	CIA-81	63ddd15 build result: All green
22:51:22	[Saint]	and, regarding the volume slider...I used a bar because "its more android-ish"
22:51:40	[Saint]	I've been meaning to make it more obvious what that popup does.
22:52:21	[Saint]	individual +/- and mute icons will go there, probably with a "volume" heading of some form.
22:53:09	CIA-81	9a4656b build result: All green
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23:04:13	CIA-81	feef422 build result: All green
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