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#rockbox log for 2012-02-04

00:07:45pamaurythe forum behaves strangely
00:07:57pamauryin the new port forum, the second page only has one entry
00:08:18pamauryfurthermore, I was nearly sure that there was a creative zen x-fi 2 thread and I can't find it anymore
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00:12:15pamaurywho maintains the forum ?
00:13:01kugelpamaury: same here
00:13:11kugelI also observed this strange ness
00:14:27pamaurythat's suspicious
00:24:48saratogaits because we're getting tons of spam, and the filtering software screws up the page indexes when it deletes it
00:24:55saratogaapparently a fix is in the works
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00:34:18pamaurybut why a search for "Creative Zen X-Fi 2" doesn't yield any result whereas this topic exists ?!
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00:41:53funmansaratoga: i didn't try this clip keymap change
00:42:26saratogafunman: i haven't had time to yet either :)
00:44:01saratogasomeone bad "avaibepreettY" for spam
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01:44:28WilliamCI'm using the Sansa Clip Fuze and it did weird things to my file names
01:44:36WilliamCIt truncated them
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01:44:59WilliamCIt truncated everything
01:45:45WilliamCMake it clip zip
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11:10:50pamaurywhy isn't the fuze+ bootloader built by the clients ?
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11:19:26pamaurycan we move the Fuze+ to unstable on the front page ?
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11:43:15n1spamaury: from what i can see in the wiki pages the only missing thing would be "A released bootloader"
11:43:33pamaurythere is already one on the server
11:44:19n1soh, the link on is to a dropbox
11:45:03n1sso does the installation with rbutil work?
11:46:04pamauryno, I'm sure there is one on our actual server
11:46:08pamauryrbutil works
11:47:06pamauryI can't remember the address though
11:47:12n1si'd say only an update of the wiki saying that rbutil works and is recommended for installation is all that's needed then
11:47:30n1si got the impression that it isn't working from reading the current page
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11:49:09pamauryI'll ask jean-louis since he wrote the installer but he told me everything was ready
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11:49:35n1sah, perhaps an rbutil version with the support isn't released yet
11:50:38n1sthere's a bootloader here
11:51:10n1sassuming that works for the "Alternative method" i think that's fine if the link in the wiki is updated
11:52:18n1sah, the one linked there is a pre-patched firmware?
11:52:26pamaurythe link on the wiki is probably not the latest one, I only did one of two release, can't remember
11:52:34pamauryI don't know
11:52:58n1sit sounds like it since otherwise you'd need patch with mkimxboot
11:54:15pamaurythen the alternative method should probably go away from the wiki
11:55:06n1sso we need to either get a release of rbutil with fuze+ support out or put compiled binaries of the necessary tools to do the patching up and write instructions for that
11:55:21n1syes i think it should be removed
11:56:38pamauryand what about the build server ? is there a condition for the bootloader to get built ?
11:57:28n1si think it just needs to be added to some list of builds
11:58:14pamaurythat would be useful since apparently I broke the built recently without noticing
11:59:05kugelyea, just add it to www/buildserver/builds
11:59:39n1sbtw is it intended that the build table only shows checkwps and sim builds?
12:00:24kugeln1s: it's intended to show only yellow and red builds
12:00:49kugelbelow the table is a link to show all builds
12:00:50n1sah right, i had forgotten about that
12:05:05pamauryI don't have a checkout of www, would someone mind to add it ?
12:09:37n1sit doesn't have sim or checkwps either, should those be added too?
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12:12:13n1shmm, i don't quite get the format of that file and i'd hate to break the build system
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12:18:44n1snow i'm sure i don't get it, so i'll have to leave it to someone else
12:19:11kugeln1s: <toolchain>:<targetname (appended to the zip file)>:<"human readable" name (for the headings in the table)>:<build score (can be benchmarked later)>:<build cmdline>
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12:20:16kugeloops, forgot the second colum. <upload build yes/no (whether there's a zip/whatever to upload or only the build log)>
12:21:51n1sah, i was looking at the per reading the file but missed that it splits out the id and handles it separately so it didn't add up
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12:23:59pamauryn1s: yes, a sim build would be nice too, I guess checkwps can't furt
12:24:02n1sso what score should i put in?
12:29:53n1si guess i can push it to gerrit and ask someone who knows this to take a look
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12:34:10wodzkugel: how exactly did you try unwinder on RaaA? I am now performing install of linux on qemu-system-arm and I'd like to test SDL RaaA build in this environment
12:34:22n1spamaury, kugel,81
12:40:00kugelwodz: tried on android
12:41:12wodzkugel: Could it be the sp/pc catching routine which breaks on android? (small asm snipped)
12:41:59kugelwodz: no idea
12:42:29kugelbut i would think that msr doesnt work in user mode
12:42:37kugelTorne knows these details :)
12:42:53wodzYou wrote "It *should* work if the unwinder doesn't use instructions unavialable in user mode" so I thought you know the constraints
12:44:53kugelI don't know which instructions don't work in user mode no :)
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12:45:12kugeljust wanted to remind you that raaa runs in user mode
12:46:24lebelliumis pixelma sometimes *really* present on the IRC? I tried to contact her here several times to ask her about the R0 picture but no luck :/
12:47:26kugelshe's on irc but I don't think she's going to make the image
12:47:56n1swodz: from the arm sdg "In user mode you can read all cpsr bits, but you can only
12:47:56n1supdate the condition flag field f.
12:48:47lebelliumkugel: Gaeverts and [Saint] told me to ask her, maybe she would. Why do you think that and then what to do? I can't design such pictures :S
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12:49:47kugelshe's mostly inactive these days, and last images were mostly done by perfectdrug
12:49:48gevaertsI don't know what those people said, but I said to talk to her to find out how to do it
12:49:56gevaertsNot to get her to do the work
12:50:11pixelmaI'm quite busy with real life at the moment and not even at home for another five weeks
12:50:49n1sgevaerts: does,81 look ok?
12:51:27gevaertsn1s: I don't know, why don
12:51:34gevaertst you see if there are comments on it? ;)
12:51:43kugellebellium: you could try contacting Marko Pahlke (perfectdrug)
12:52:05n1sgevaerts: i might need glasses :)
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12:52:25lebelliumokay thank you for the answers pixelma , kugel and gevaerts
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12:53:27n1sgevaerts: are the scores auto updated after a build?
12:54:25gevaertsThey're auto-updated whenever someone bugs me to recalibrate the lot and I feel like letting my laptop be at 100% CPU for three or four hours :)
12:54:25Zagor|Scores are hard coded
12:54:43n1sbut just stealing the scores from say the regular fuze would be fine for now?
12:55:04n1sok, i'll do that then
12:55:09gevaertsThat's what we usually do
12:55:17Zagor|Use the scores of reasonably similar builds
12:57:01gevaertsThe scores are really just an approximation anyway. To have the scores be more useful we should really disable ccache on the build clients, but that would defeat the point I think
12:57:50Zagor|...and forbid people to use their computers :-)
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13:00:15n1si'll leave this for later, i can't reach atm
13:00:58n1sheh, as soon as i posted that the website loaded after "connecting" for a few minutes
13:01:46Zagor|It has been flooded by rogue indexing bots lately
13:02:11Zagor|So we out of sockets
13:02:37n1sany idea why?
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13:27:03Tornekugel: msr should work in user mode, you just can't set the mode/interrupt bits
13:27:14Tornekugel: you can still set the other bits (e.g. condition flags)
13:27:21Torneand you can still read the whole thing
13:27:46Tornealso, someone: what do i have to do to make rockbox usb work on clipv2 on poweron?
13:27:53Tornethe bootloader is still loading the sansa firmware
13:30:40CIA-10Commit 535a236 in www by Björn Stenberg: (Author: Nils Wallménius) Add fuze+ bootloader, checkwps and sim to the builds.
13:32:20bertrikTorne, funman is the clipv2 expert now
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13:32:42Tornei thought we had released a bootloader that made it boot rockbox on usb
13:32:49Tornebut evidently the version rockbox utility installs still doesn't
13:32:57Torneoh well
13:34:05bertrikat least for the clipv2s that easily brick
13:34:16Tornethis one doesn't have that problem
13:34:23Torneit works a-ok other than that
13:34:26Torneusb works if i'm already in rockbox
13:34:37Tornei just can't be arsed to compile a bootloader+mkamsboot myself
13:34:46bertrikbut I thought all the AMSv1/v2 sansas boot RB on USB plugin too
13:34:52Torneyeah, i thought they id
13:35:02Tornebut i just reinstalled the bootloader on this one and it still doesn't
13:36:22Torneit says v4 on the boot screen which appears to be the latest tag
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13:59:55lebelliumokay perfectdrug agrees to design the R0 pic :) He's also busy so he doesn't know when he'll have time to do it exactly but he will. Nice :)
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15:19:16kugellebellium: great!
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15:26:12aditiI have a sansa clip+
15:26:21aditirecently it stopped working
15:26:46aditiit lost battery charge - I mean I listened till it drained
15:26:50aditiI tried to charge it up
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15:27:20aditiafter that moment whenever I try to charge it it just heats up
15:27:33aditithe display is blue black
15:27:42aditiany clues if I can bring it back ?
15:28:02aditianyone else with similar experience ?
15:32:50bertrikdoes it still charge in the original firmware?
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15:33:17aditibertrik: no it doesnt charge up at all
15:33:40aditiit is not booting - no rockbox / original firmware screen :(
15:34:11bertrikhm, sounds like a hardware failure then
15:34:45gevaertsDid you already try to hard reset it?
15:35:51dfkti had an original clip heating up for no apparent reason - it was fried after that. after desoldering the battery it came to life, but no more sound
15:36:09aditiyeah I did try holding up the power button for a rea;;y long while
15:36:31aditithat is when the screen would change to the "LCD blu" color
15:36:53aditidfkt: yikes
15:37:18bertrikand it won't bootup anymore without having USB plugged?
15:37:46aditibertrik: yups it wont boot both ways wothout USB / with USB
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15:38:09aditiI even left it like a long while to just reset it out - just like that
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15:39:10bertrikdoes the clip+ look a bit 'bloated'?
15:39:20aditibertrik: no it is not bloated
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15:43:21dfktaditi, did it stay hot even after the long reset?
15:44:03aditidfkt: yeah for a while
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15:44:14dfktok, same as mine then
15:44:15aditiwhile = like 5 mins
15:44:39aditidfkt: it cools down fast as well
15:45:20dfktwell, if you have the tools/skills, cracking it open and desoldering the battery, then connecting to usb would maybe give some clues... but i fear it's the same as what happened to mine
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15:53:56aditidfkt: will try your hints out
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17:44:44Lemminghey guys)
17:45:05Lemmingany news about yp-r0 port?
17:45:08y4nrussian detected? :D
17:45:15y4noh, .se
17:45:17y4nnever mind
17:45:33Lemmingu think i'm russian?
17:45:52y4nonly russians use ) as a smilie
17:46:06Lemmingha ha
17:46:13Lemmingu're right
17:46:39Lemmingbut i'm a belarussian O_o
17:46:45y4nOK :D
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19:14:46dreamlayersMy post at,,true.html#new got caught by the spam filter.
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19:28:41kugelsomething is seriously wrong with the forums
19:29:51dreamlayersIs only the spam filtering broken, or is it more than that?
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19:40:48funmanforums could be 100% moderated
19:40:53funmanhow much posts per day ?
19:41:27funman71.something on average hmm
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19:46:29kugelbad idea
19:50:03soapwhat's wrong, kugel ?
19:50:26kugelvarious topics are not shown
19:50:36kugelboth existing and new ones
19:53:31dreamlayerswas some patch to automatically remove spam applied recently?
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19:55:26pamauryyeah, the forums are seriously messed up
19:56:00dreamlayershere's the discussion I was thinking of:
19:56:02kugelI wonder why we seem to be the only forum on the world which struggles so much with spam
19:56:03pixelmathere's an anti-spam plugin in use but it only hides the posts it marks as spam, global mods and admins have to go through this list once in a while and "free" false positives
19:57:15pixelmathere was the problem that these still used to show up under "Recent Posts" and that was patched recently so as to not give the spammers their way
19:57:50pixelmaspam attacks were really bad just before that
19:58:15kugelother topic: GSoC 2012 was just announced
19:58:19soapaye, as far as I'm concerned the spam filter does more harm than good. Six months of too many false positives. I'd rather see 100 false negatives than 1 false positive, by a dev no less. The fact "known good" posters aren't whitelisted bugs me to no end.
19:58:47soapbut - I've been less than active the last 6 months - so my opinion should be weighted low.
19:59:19pixelmasoap: did you see the "Recent Posts" just before that?
20:00:07soapjust before what?
20:00:15funmanthe recent posts is also completely useless now
20:00:31soapone sec
20:00:49pixelmayou were lucky to find the 3 non-spam posts in the 10 "Recent Posts" pages... before the patch was applied to also hide the things marked as spam there
20:01:00pixelmafunman: why?
20:01:33bluebrother^could the forums be made moderated for everyone except people with (a) a badge or (b) a minimum number of posts?
20:02:04soappixelma, ahh, so you're saying before askimet and before the recent patch to the forum software to hide askimet-flagged spam from "recent posts" the recent posts list was poor SNR?
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20:02:51pixelmarecently yes
20:04:03soapI can believe that. That, though, doesn't "counter" my point that Akismet (I'll learn to spell it one day, I promise!) appears to be the absolutely worst spam-catching in the history of mankind. I'm not arguing that spam should be blocked from "recent posts", I'm arguing that the current method of detecting spam is horrid.
20:04:12funmanpixelma: it's empty, full of unshown spam
20:04:41funmanbluebrother^: whitelisting makes sense
20:05:14pixelmaah, hmm. I'd expected that the last 100 "allowed" posts were shown instead, haven't checked recently
20:05:42bluebrother^hitaatony seems to want to spam
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20:06:41soapfunman, linky? I'm not seeing that.
20:06:47soap(even when logged out)
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20:07:11funmancheck pages 2, 3, 4... to 10
20:07:22pixelmasoap: go to the followup pages
20:07:34pixelmaoh, funman just said that
20:07:58soapahh. I never use that. Thanks for pointing that out. I just dumped a ton from Akismet, related I assume?
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20:14:08soapFuck. Another bug appears to be that when a post is rescued from the clutches of Akismet it may appear in the right forum but doesn't show up as a new post or even in the "Last Post" list. Anyone looking for the change in icon to indicate a new post won't see dreamlayers' new Official Test Build(s) thread.
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20:16:37dreamlayersthanks for rescuing my post from the clutches of Akismet
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20:18:10saratogaTorne: (regarding the clipv2) use the current mkamsboot release, or an SVN build of rbutil
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20:18:33saratogathe boot decision on AMS devices is actually made by the patching software (e.g. rockbox utility) not by the bootloader
20:18:38funmanTorne has a bricked clipv2 ?
20:18:50saratogano, he just wants to boot into rockbox on USB insert
20:19:14funmanah right
20:19:25funmanlast mkamsboot release should work thoguh (1.5)
20:21:01saratogakugel: ABI gets an incredible amount of spam, but they have lots of filtering
20:21:18saratogaa spam bot tries to post a new topic there once every 3-4 minutes
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20:26:18soapis the svn mailing list down for good or is the fix still pending?
20:31:27dreamlayersCan Gerrit do that notification? There is a "submitted changes" option, but I don't know if that's only for changes that went through code review.
20:47:49kugeldreamlayers: you could try, all changes go through gerrit
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21:20:16dfktsaratoga, it's weird that akismet on the rockbox forums works so badly... on ABI's frontpage/wordpress akismet is our only line of defense and it works incredibly well, separating spam from real comments
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22:02:12saratoga_dfkt: i think the software for our forums just doesn't play well with it
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22:18:06jhMikeSthat callback mechanism for keyclick isn't so good since
22:18:25jhMikeSsince it makes things fail elsewhere without notice
22:19:03jhMikeSor there's something else going on, but it's not working in the plugins now looks like keyclick_click will no longer work outside the action system
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22:47:00webguest468To whom it may concern - I fixed the problem on build client herrero-dannya, it is OK to enable it again. (SDL dev. library was missing, I've installed it now)
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23:13:57KiwiCamYou've got a pretty tough Registration process, so how do the Spambots get past this so easily?
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23:28:10funmanhm the list of build clients is no longer in svn^Wgit www repo ?
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23:30:28kugelfunman: there's no list of build clients
23:30:33kugelthere's only a blacklist
23:30:49wodzI tried to compile SDL RaaA on armel debian squeeze (running in qemu-system-arm). The compilation fails with this:
23:32:02funmanwebguest468: you were not blocked it seems
23:32:18wodzkugel: I am pretty sure that unwinder on Android crashes due to manipulation of cpsr bits which are forbidden in user mode.
23:32:33funmanclients blocked are glasschale-Rondom fnarfbargle-uk-BradC jakorasia-cg Asuka-w1ll14m
23:32:39kugelwodz: seems likely
23:32:56kugelwodz: you need to define ARCH_ARM (in config.h)
23:33:14kugelor override $arch in configure (then only C code is compiled)
23:33:34kugelARM_ARCH isn't autodetected yet
23:34:04kugel(CPU_ARM and ARM_ARCH to be precise)
23:34:30webguest468The rbclient.log file is full of : Server message: Hello herrero-dannya. Your build client has been temporarily blocked by the administrators due to: You SDL installation is broken. Please go to #rockbox to enable your client again.
23:34:46webguest468and it is not running any builds
23:34:51wodzkugel: configure prints "Automatically selected arch: arm"
23:35:31funman#if defined(CPU_ARM) && defined(__ASSEMBLER__)
23:35:41funmanthis is the condition for ldrpc macro to be defined
23:36:02funman__ASSEMBLER__ should be defined by gcc when running on .S
23:36:57kugelwodz: by overriding I mean make it not automatically select the arch (e.g. by adding arch="unknwon" to simcc())
23:37:33kugelCPU_ARM/ARM_ARCH should probably come from configure as well
23:38:17wodzhow this is done on android RaaA?
23:38:34kugelit defines CPU_ARM in config.h
23:42:16wodzwhat is CONFIG_PLATFORM for SDL RaaA?
23:44:18kugelCPU_ARM can be derived from what configure uses to detect arm
23:45:04kugelARCH_ARM is a bit trickier to autodetect, but cpp appears to have sufficient defines for this as well
23:45:37wodzanyway I guess this is a bit unusual to compile on arm natively
23:45:56wodzat least today :-)
23:46:26kugeljust hack #define CPU_ARM and #define ARCH_ARM 5 somewhere
23:46:40kugel(or whatever version is suitable)
23:48:42wodzyeah, thats what I did now.
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23:57:18wodzmemset16.S passed :-)
23:58:09kugelwodz: RaaA on arm works, I tried it a few weeks back on my touchpad
23:58:35kugelexcept sound didn't work but that was probably a touchpad-specific issue

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