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#rockbox log for 2012-02-12

00:05:48n1sthe buildsystem doesn't automatically update the client blacklist from git, does it?
00:07:44n1shmm, the ipod classic sim doesn't build
00:08:45gevaertsn1s: it should
00:10:27n1srigaud-dannya is still building (and throwing errors on sim builds
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00:11:15gevaertsWe'll have to poke Zagor when he's online again
00:17:59KiwiCamI see that it's only for Tags. Darn. What's the best way to do something like this but not create a huge line of conditionals? I'd like to use a subimage for each minute %?if(%cM,=,%or(04,14,24,34,44,54))<%xd(Ei)|%cM>
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00:34:02jdgordKiwicam:) that works
00:35:35CIA-44Commit e61f42a in rockbox by Nils Wallménius: Add description of the speaker keyckick setting
00:36:58funmansome of the web pages are symlinks to a svn repo, perhaps they need update to point to the git repo
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00:38:43KiwiCamjdgord: I'm using the latest Sim build and it isn't for me. So, the syntax is correct? If I remove that %or and just place a value it works, but not with the %or.
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00:41:44emp^is the usb connection of the clip+ stable with the newer builds? Version: 91b52a1M-120122
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00:42:33emp^the version above crashed when i plugged it in (windows didn't recognise the clip+)
00:43:06funmanmore or less stable
00:43:45funmanfor me it only crashes on unplug and less than 50% times
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00:45:32emp^ok, maybe i'll wait a little bit longer an downgrade to a version which uses the original firmware usb connection
00:45:51jdgordKiwicam: hmm looks correct
00:46:32jdgordOh no. Or takes tags, not generic numbers
00:46:39emp^but rockbox is a masterpiece of software... couldn't live without it :D
00:46:41jdgordYeah, that's not possible
00:46:50jdgordI'll think about it
00:49:58emp^really strange behavior though(the crash at plugging it in/windows not recognising it/hardboot necessary to shut the player down)
00:51:03KiwiCamjdgord: Does the %or work on the 3.10 version? How long ago did that come into effect?
00:51:27jdgordKiwicam: yeah, %or(a, b, c) means "be true if any of the tags a, b, c are true)
00:51:56KiwiCamjdgord: Shame. I thought it was a good feature.
00:52:24jdgordWhat have want is a bit harder to do
00:54:10KiwiCamSo, looking at this:,26960.msg176709.html#msg176709 How do I get your suggestion to work, instead of the OP's way. I can't see it in my mind.
00:55:50funmanemp^: you can still use OF usb connection with recent builds
01:00:30jdgordDidn't gevearts add a tag to get a character from a tags return value?
01:04:58jdgordYeah %ss
01:05:51KiwiCamDoesn't work for Values. Tried that. That was my first port of call.
01:06:09jdgordSo if want something like %xd(numbers, %ss(1, 1, %cM))
01:06:40jdgordI'm not sure of the ss tag syntax
01:07:32KiwiCamI'll try it again.
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01:10:30KiwiCamThis doesn't work %xd(El,%ss(1, 1, %cM)) This does %ss(1, 1, %cM) So, it seems to return a string and not a number. does that sound right?
01:10:56KiwiCam%ss would be perfect, if I could get that to work.
01:11:32jdgordOh hell, yeah %ss probably doesn't set the number
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01:12:20jdgordFile a bug and ill try looking at it this week
01:14:33KiwiCamI haven't actually done that before. Can you start me off with a link please?
01:15:04jdgordPress the bugs link on the frontpage
01:15:43KiwiCamFound it.
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01:27:50KiwiCamPosted I hope it's correct. You know, I think the %or() idea I had might actually be better. There'd be a lot less coding. Would you agree?
01:32:44emp^@funman: i could, but it boots rockbox per default when the player was off (i would have to boot OF first if i want plug it in)
01:32:50emp^correct me if i'm wrong
01:40:13jdgordKiwicam: no the or tag probably won't be fixable to work
01:40:40jdgordFixing ss should be simple
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01:48:04KiwiCamjdgord: At least there's a solution on the way. I'll carry on theming. Thanks.
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02:04:34hejhey hey some here ?
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02:06:39[Saint]hej: 120 people.
02:06:47[Saint]Not including yourself.
02:08:32[Saint] have a question, or you're curious about the channels population? :)
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02:50:22Fury4Hello. I'm trying to get a Sansa Fuze into recovery mode to reflash OF, and have a question about bridging the NAND contacts
02:51:19[Saint]*why* are you needing to go to recovery mode? It wont boot normally?
02:51:54Fury4yup, screwed up rockbox install and now can't get either firmware to load,32847.0.html
02:52:38[Saint]You've tried a standard hard-reset first?
02:52:58Fury4the holding power toggle up for 30sec one? yah
02:53:06[Saint]A lot of people jump to conclusions about it being "bricked" and do way more harm than good.
02:53:21[Saint]Just...make sure you're certain.
02:54:20Fury4fuze shuts off within 5sec of startup, regardless of if holding left while powering on
02:54:33Fury4no access to internal storage when connected to PC
02:55:50[Saint]Yeah, right. Sounds like a fair guess then. I just wanted to be sure...some people jump to cracking the device open before even trying a reset.
02:56:08[Saint]Then *actually* brick their devices.
02:57:19Fury4yeah, I can see that happening a fair bit, lol
02:57:32Fury4especially considering how tiny the contacts are
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02:58:48Fury4as it is the fuze already has a near non-functional screen, so I'm not THAT concerned about further damage
03:00:19Fury4Basically, I'm unsure about the instructions. mentions to bridge two pads with wire, connect to PC, run fdisk -l and then remove the wire
03:00:35Fury4but then goes on to describe how to use the recovery mode to write the firmware
03:01:15Fury4unsure if the second set of instructions require the bridging wire still in place, or removed
03:01:52[Saint]The bridge only needs yo be in place during USB insertion/enumeration
03:02:01[Saint]*to be
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03:03:31Fury4ahh, so once it's mounted properly, I remove the bridge and write firmware?
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03:12:45Fury4I've read mention of removing the battery connection first when unbricking a Clip, is this required for a Fuze?
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03:14:16Fury4implication seems to be that it's just to make sure the device is fully off, but just wanted to be sure before I whip out the soldering iron
03:16:46funmanemp^: you can press left button when plugging
03:17:03funmanFury4: hi
03:17:40funmanyou can bridge with a knife or screwdriver
03:19:38emp^ok, sorry for the noobish - already in the documentation answered - question
03:19:56emp^as if you guys have nothing better to do^^
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03:23:06Fury4hey funman
03:23:44Fury4that sounds muuch easier than trying to solder to the contacts and then un-solder afterwards :D
03:26:18Fury4I've done soldering on this scale before, it just can be rather stressful
03:26:31[Saint]AFAIK the battery disconnection is just to ensure the device is in an off state and not hanging.
03:26:44[Saint]In this case, you know its off.
03:28:57Fury4good to know
03:29:20Fury4hmmmm... now all I need is Linux (unless there's some way to do this from windows?)
03:53:01[Saint]there's various implementations of dd for windows, yes.
03:53:16[Saint]Google "Windows+dd"
04:02:50Fury4turns out it takes less than 10min to download+create a bootable linux USB
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04:53:43Fury4first two attempts at recovery mode didn't appear to work. Trying a 3rd time, but fdisk -l continues to list the sansa even when disconnected. Is there some sort of device removal I need to do in between?
04:59:17funman1/ make sure it's powered off before plugging
04:59:25funman2/ repeat several times it's hard to get it right
04:59:53funmanyou can run this in a terminal:
04:59:59funmanwhile :;do sudo dmesg -c;sleep 1;done
05:00:18funmanif you do it right you'll see 'UNDEF STORAGE' or something liek that appear very quickly
05:00:29funmanand the screen will stay black
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05:04:38Fury4turns out I was identifying the wrong drive, the sansa didn't show at all (I'd forgotten about the identical sized USB flashdrive running the OS, LOL)
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05:27:46Fury4ahh failing IRC servers, brings back so many memories
05:29:24[Saint]quit message suggests your client barfed. died or something
05:32:37Fury4and then using different webchat client it picked a server that seemed to die immediately
05:38:27Fury4hnmmm. Sansa's connected, black screen. Terminal window with that script running threw up a bunch of I/O errors (unhandled sense code) and then sde: detected capacity change from 1027342336 to 0
05:38:45Fury4fdisk still shows nothing
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05:42:34Fury4Errors :
05:42:38funmanmust be the capacity of your player (actually, a bit more than what you would usually see since the space which stores OF is shown)
05:42:39Fury4gonna try again
05:42:49funmandid you unplug the battery>
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05:43:32funmanmake sure the player's off when you plug it. since for you it semi works it should be fine
05:44:32Fury4seems to be off
05:46:20funmanit's hard to do with 2 hands
05:47:06funmani plug the cable on the fuze, put it ready to be plugged on the pc, then bridge while holding the board firmly on the desk, and plug with the other hand
05:47:10funmangood luck!
05:48:32Fury4worst part has to be the PCB-mounted button that likely does something unrelated
05:48:42Fury4would be sooo much easier, but no, gotta be difficult :P
05:51:05[Saint]that's the "Home" button.
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05:54:48Fury4ahhh, lol
05:56:39Fury4yet again it's booting with screen off, same results as above in pastebin. perhaps 4th time will be the charm
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05:59:54Fury4... I think it worked?
06:00:15Fury4or... at the very least failed in a different manner, lol
06:04:12Fury4now ends with [ 2231.166740] sd 11:0:0:0: [sde] Attached SCSI removable disk [ 2231.168359] sd 11:0:0:1: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk
06:04:34Fury4and none of the hardware errors
06:04:52Fury4but still not shown in fdisk -l
06:23:04Fury4zomg, it's showing in fdisk!
06:26:33Fury4dd successful in copying firmware.... now the moment of truth
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06:33:02Fury4hmmmm, screen now stays lit for longer than 5sec after boot
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07:11:13Fury4funman: It now boots and stays on with screen lit, but otherwise non-functional. I suspect I may have hit the same snag you describe under "hacking" in the SansaAMSUnbrick guide. Any chance you've still got that "full reserved data" image?
07:13:43[Saint]A patched OF was enough to get mine booting Rockbox, but the OF was all weird.
07:18:15Fury4plugging in without bridging recovery pads doesn't work show me a drive to reinstall rockbox on
07:18:31Fury4*doesn't show me a drive
07:18:59[Saint]dd a patched OF on.
07:19:45Fury4hmmm, good idea. with luck the other part of rockbox is still intact
07:20:18[Saint]likely not, but you should be able to mount it with bootloader USB.
07:21:22[Saint]well, not "likely not" (I was lucky this way, for instance), but, don't rely on the disk contents being intact. :)
07:22:52Fury4does the current bootloader have USB support on the Fuze? I ran into conflicting info when reading
07:23:04Fury4some ppl said it's disabled/defaults to OF
07:25:03[Saint]The *current* version does, I'm not sure if the *release* version does.
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07:26:59Fury4looks like it was the 3.10 version from Dec 11 that I installed previously
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07:30:14Fury4release notes say USB is disabled for Fuze v2, v1 isn't mentioned
07:31:53Fury4guess I can try a current build patched OF
07:32:51Fury4and hope it doesn't conflict with the older release rockbox remnants
07:36:00[Saint]What the screwnuts?!?
07:36:22[Saint]Why does "Recent Posts" in the forums stop listing posts at page 3?
07:36:34*[Saint] pokes scorche
07:38:08*scorche doesnt know, but is tempted to blame gevaerts for some odd reason =)
07:39:03[Saint]Ok...I can run with that.
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08:04:47Fury4hmm.... mkamsboot keeps giving me a permission denied error
08:10:55Fury4pfft, wasn't flagged as an executable, working now
08:11:19Fury4at least I'm learning about linux, lol
08:32:31Fury4"Rockbox internal storage USB device" ready to use!
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08:45:48[Saint]...who's your man? ;)
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09:04:12Fury4rockbox is working flawlessly now, and the blind voice feature let's me actually start music playback without the screen
09:04:44Fury4I dont think the OF works, but it was rather useless with no display anyways
09:04:52Fury4thanks for your assistance
09:12:31[Saint]That's fine, I was kidding...I hope you realize (seems pretty obvious, but, never know ;))
09:12:44[Saint]I'm glad its running again, good job.
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14:20:42webguest267Hi, I'm having issues running RButil on Mac osx. It gives back No mount point found, yet it autodetects both my 2gnano and 5.5g ipod
14:22:58webguest267I've killed iTunes and the helper, ran rbutils as root, to no success tho
14:26:09webguest267and both iPods are Winpods
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14:42:36bluebrotherwebguest267: does autodetection actually detect the mountpoint?
15:01:33webguest267Autodectection sees the ipods correctly at the correct moutn point, yet wehn I continue it gives me the error
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15:08:21webguest267The 5.5g already has a RB installation (3.9) which I wanted to update. At first I thought my USB connection was flacky, but on my other mac (osx 10.5.8) it gives me the same error as on the first one (osx 10.7.3).
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15:28:59webguest267It seems that something is preventing rbutil to use the proper mountpoints on OSX. Manual installation (using ipodpatcher seperatly) also spits out an error.
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15:49:36gartralWhat's up with the latest RBUtil builds not having the right URL for the manuals?
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16:20:01gartralIs there a soft "force reset" key combo for the h140?
16:21:25gevaertsthere's the reset button
16:23:33gartralgevaerts: I had too improvise for a tool too stick in there, a toothpick was too fat
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17:04:25gartralI added a new bug for RButil.
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17:13:13R0ckb0xc0d3rI want ti work on Rockbox for GSoc, but i am a newbie.. I have worked a lot on embedded system, and amateur in device driver in linux ... Can anyone help me with any idea that can be worked on with Rockbox
17:16:44gevaertsR0ckb0xc0d3r: do you have any specific interest?
17:17:07gevaertsI mean, UI level stuff, the android port, codecs, device drivers, ...
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17:18:07*gevaerts would like to point out that it's not at all certain yet that rockbox will be in gsoc
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17:20:40R0ckb0xc0d3r@ grevaerts: I am interested in device driver and android ..
17:21:43gartralgevaerts: Have you guys "missed" a year in GSoC?
17:22:18gevaertsgartral: no, why?
17:22:25R0ckb0xc0d3rrockbox may not be in Gsoc this yr , but i love to gain knowledge.. and work on these stuffs
17:23:29gartralgevaerts: Just curious.
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17:24:38R0ckb0xc0d3rgevaerts: what should i start with.. i do want to continue working woth device driver. any suggestion.
17:25:03gevaertsR0ckb0xc0d3r: have you used rockbox before?
17:26:54R0ckb0xc0d3rmy friend has a philips player, that time i used it. but not a frequent user.
17:27:23gevaertsI'm not too sure what sort of device driver work suitable for gsoc we have
17:27:58gevaertsThere could be things like refactoring existing code to improve code reuse, but I'm not the person to talk to about that
17:28:54gevaertsOr there could be various USB related things, or filesystem work. That's not really device driver work though
17:30:12gartralgevaerts: What kind of "Admin Work" is needed on the themes page at
17:30:45R0ckb0xc0d3rlisten, i have deep knowledge on embedded microcontrollers( mainly AVR and PIC). i had run a RTOS on my AVR chip too. recently i started gaining knowledge on device drivers inlinux
17:31:46R0ckb0xc0d3rand i will also love to work on audio codecs and all
17:31:48gevaertsgartral: it means some themes have been "reported", which can mean various things, from people saying they like it (don't ask me why they report it then...) to people saying it doesn't work for some reason
17:35:15R0ckb0xc0d3rgevaerts: suggest me where to start with, jst give me something to work on , that cn be useful in GSoc.
17:35:35LalufuIs there a specific reason (apart from: noone has volunteered to do the work) why rockbox does not use the virtual memory capabilities of the chips it runs on?
17:35:53gevaertsLalufu: most of the chips we run on don't *have* an MMU
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17:36:58gevaertsR0ckb0xc0d3r: at this point we're still trying to collect ideas and getting mentors interested, so it might be a bit early for real concrete advice, but checking out the source and building it is probably a good start
17:37:01gartralalso, Rockbox has awesome memory management >.>
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17:37:32gartralR0ckb0xc0d3r: Also, go look in the forums, and FlySpray
17:38:23R0ckb0xc0d3rthankx for that
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17:46:18bertrikLalufu, on the chips that do have an MMU, I think we try to keep things simple by still having a mostly flat memory map
17:47:34bertrikfor AMS targets, IIRC, we use the MMU to move some memory space closer together so we can use smaller ASM command (use relative addresses instead of absolute)
17:49:32Lalufubertrik: thanks
17:50:11LalufuI was under the impression that the ARMs used in the ipods had an MMU, but it seems I was wrong about that.
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18:04:36gartralanyone know of a reliable source for batteries for the h1x0?
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20:07:14webguest267My 5.5g ipod is showing aprox half of it's capacity
20:08:23webguest267Yet it's completely empty except the .rockbox and ipod control dirs
20:09:20gevaertsitunes puts all its music in ipod_control
20:10:13webguest267But I ahven't synced it, it's just after a fresh install of Rockbox
20:10:58gevaertsJust to make sure, how are you checking the used space?
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20:11:36webguest267I've checked it using finder and diskutility
20:13:35gevaertsThen I'd say it's either music in ipod_control, or one of the various places where different operating systems store removed files
20:13:36webguest267df gives me the same
20:14:18webguest267I'll throw out .Trashes
20:14:26webguest267To see what it does
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20:16:11webguest267Whoops, thanks, it were the .Trashes was the issue here.
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20:18:34webguest267One other question, if I want to rebuild my database, can I just remove the related database.tcd in the rb dir?
20:19:37gevaertsYou can. Well, there's more than one file involved
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20:20:47webguest267It's just all the tcd's right?
20:21:13webguest267Thanks, much appriciated.
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21:01:26gartralfor devices that have a configurable battery capacity, is there any safties in place if you accidentally set the wrong level?
21:01:54gevaertsThe battery capacity setting doesn't actually mean anything
21:02:05gevaertsIt's *only* used to estimate remaining time
21:02:15gartralgevaerts: Ahh, OK.
21:02:31gartralgevaerts: do you have an h1x0?
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21:27:03lorenzo92kugel: hey! my module is pretty ready, but I had troubles integrating it into rockbox. Don't know why, but the register cache in si4700.c driver makes a segmentation fault I fear!
21:27:14lorenzo92I'll send you the drafts
21:28:26lorenzo92and the strange thing: I get non-correct values when using the device in rockbox, while in a small C app to test my module, everything works uhm
21:31:34lorenzo92finally, I decided to add also direct i2c access, since the rockbox driver suits perfectly with this...when you have time, please have a look at it ;)
21:35:13lorenzo92* for the seg fault, I mean rockbox's driver, not my own..
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21:38:55kugellorenzo92: I suggest putting it on gerrit or some external git repo
21:39:35lorenzo92kugel: indeed. but time limited, so I will create a nice patch next week, don't worry ;)
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22:04:14gartralMy h140 just froze up when i went into the shortcuts menu. it's "on" but it wont even respond too the reset button at all
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22:15:38gartralheh.. i removed the bottom panel too look at the button.. it's *GONE*
22:16:11gartralI guess i'm stuck waiting till the battery dies >.<
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22:28:18kugelyea, the shortcuts menu is buggy when it's empty
22:31:48n1sthose reset buttons are quite fragile, i guess you're not supposed to use them too often :)
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22:46:37funmanFury4: good work
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23:10:36saratogashould CabbiV2 specify the global font setting in its cfg file, or just load one in the WPS file?
23:11:11saratogaIIUC, right now if you try to change the menu text size and then load cabbie, you'll be forced to use the old text size, when some people might want to use larger fonts on the menus
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23:51:32Fury4funman: thanks a ton for your help. I think my OF is still messed, but its sorta useless without a screen lol
23:52:17Fury4now all I've gotta do is learn how to navigate the immense amount of menu options by voice
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23:55:32Fury4that, and perhaps an english voice file that's a bit more understandable :D
23:58:01[Saint]RButil can take care of that for you.
23:58:15[Saint]There's a fair few supported TTS engines.

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