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#rockbox log for 2012-02-17

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01:10:27[Saint]Question for "non-themers" and "themers" alike:
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01:11:01[Saint]Is verbose enough to discern whats going on in it?
01:11:25*[Saint] pokes dfkt_ to have a look
01:12:45[Saint]The "big change" is switching from single and/or double character identifiers to full strings.
01:12:57dfkt_reads itself like a bestseller novel ;)
01:13:13[Saint]Hopefully, this makes it easier for people to parse.
01:14:14[Saint]In the event that this or part thereof actually gets committed...I also want cabbiev2 to serve as an example of syntax usage.
01:14:27[Saint]As well as being easy to parse for beginners.
01:15:18[Saint]If anyone has any suggestions on how I could do more to aid people in this area, please let me know.
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01:19:05[Saint]I'm thinking of adding brief descriptions to the theme as well, so that there's more than just the code to explain itself...but, its already ~6KB (which, is pretty massive for a theme).
01:31:29kkitcould you have a "lite" version with your comments stripped?
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02:04:57JdGordonthe comments are stripped so they make no differnce
02:05:05JdGordonand add more whitespace!
02:05:16JdGordonand remove cabbie- from image and font names
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02:30:25[Saint]Well....that was a time consuming PITA
02:31:28[Saint]*But*, my RaaA CabbieV2 Full-Touch now has all its identifiers converted from single/double digit to nice, verbose strings.
02:31:51[Saint]Purely a cosmetic change, but, one for the better.
02:34:05[Saint]I also found a feature I added late in the game was missing in the 480x800 it wasn't absolutely purely cosmetic I suppose.
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02:42:41monstercan anyone tell me how to get user input please? eg "Enter 2 digits. The sum is..." i have a sansa clip v2
02:44:10[Saint]Clarify please monster ...?
02:45:43monster[Saint]: I just want to make a simply program that says "Please enter 2 digits". (then you enter e.g. 2 and 3) then it says "The sum is 5". I already know how to use rb->splash(duration,"my text"); for output
02:46:52[Saint]Ooooohhhh....right. Its probably simpler for you to write this in LUA.
02:47:49monster[Saint]: Oh man that sounds like a dead end. im a programmer noob. sounds hard
02:49:01[Saint]Well, in that case, then I'd speculate its more of an open door than a dead end. :)
02:49:05monster[Saint]: Is there any better documentation that the PLUGIN_API file in the manual directory? It is mostly functions with few comments
02:49:30[Saint]Ummmm...not really, no.
02:49:39[Saint]THe source is the best documentation.
02:49:42monster[Saint]: Why isnt there much documentation?
02:50:09[Saint]Because no one's written any?
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02:50:24[Saint]There's no better documentation than the source.
02:50:44[Saint]If someone writes a "howto" then it must be constantly maintained as the sources change...
02:51:04[Saint]Whereas, if you just read from the source, you're fine.
02:52:22*[Saint] wonders if JdGordon had any luck with "The Dance of the Many Popups"
02:53:27[Saint]I just pushed my changes to "your" DropBox branch as r00009, btw, JdGordon
02:53:30monster[Saint]: I was trying to find the source code for splashf(). I'm pretty sure its not in plugin.h or plugin.c.(I think what i saw in those files was only a prototype) What do I do now to find it? Use grep to search the contents of the .c files?
02:54:00[Saint]Yep. grep is your friend here.
02:54:22monster[Saint]: Is that what you do when you see rockbox code that you want to find the definition of?
02:55:19trusttmonster: its in splash.c
02:55:38trusttline 200
02:55:39monstertrustt: What grep search did you do to find that out?
02:55:48monsterim a linux beginner
02:55:54trustti searched in eclipse
02:56:06monstertrustt: oh. thanks for telling me
02:56:29monstertrustt: How would you search for it if you didnt know what file it was in?
02:56:57*[Saint] points out that this isn't a generic Linux support channel.
02:57:33trustti didnt
02:57:36monsterDoes anyone know a website that lists IRC channels?
02:57:38trustti used the eclipse search
02:58:28[Saint]monster: "/list"
02:59:05trusttmonster: grep -r 'void splashf' . −−include='*.c'
02:59:57monsteri think /list doesnt work here, but does in the mIRC program
03:00:17monsterthank you trusttt
03:00:31[Saint]Ohhhh, you're on a webclient.
03:00:44monsteryes i just googled webchat freenode
03:00:55[Saint]Yeah, there's only a very basic subset of IRC commands available on most webclients.
03:01:04trusttget a real client monster
03:01:17monstertrustt: So i can search for list?
03:01:36monster /list
03:01:36trusttso you can do lots of things
03:01:56[Saint]This is sliding way off-topic
03:02:29trusttgood night
03:02:40monsterthank you.good night
03:03:27monster[Saint]: Why is it bad if I talk about Linux for a couple minutes?
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03:15:20[Saint]monster: Because it means you clearly ignored the topic when you entered the channel?
03:15:57monster[Saint]: You never talk off topic?
03:16:12[Saint]This is a Rockbox development channel, there's far better places for generic Linux questions.
03:16:26monster[Saint]: You never talk off topic?
03:20:05[Saint]We certainly try not to. That's the point in us having an offtopic/social channel.
03:20:28[Saint](Which you'd know about if you read the topic)
03:21:25monster[Saint]: i asked one quesiton about how to use linux to search for a rockbox command. calm down
03:23:03[Saint]I'm perfectly calm. You're the one making a big deal out of this.
03:23:46monster[Saint]: i asked one quesiton about how to use linux to search for a rockbox command.u are
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04:51:30Jokerswildhey guys, quick question, I have a 3rd generation iPod nano, and I wanted to put rockbox on it, I see that it isn't supported, any particular reason? and is there a client out there that would support it?
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04:58:26[Saint]3 minutes...really?
04:58:31[Saint]<frowny face>
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04:59:14ZackBhey. does anyone know any functions for getting user input?
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04:59:37ZackBfor a sansa clip
05:02:17[Saint]The device is irrelevant.
05:02:25[Saint]Also, consult the sources.
05:02:35[Saint]They're your best documentation.
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05:03:13[Saint]kugel: Is there any reason FS #12474 isn't committed?
05:03:14fs-bluebot [PATCH] Database: Support for multiple search roots. (patches, new)
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05:05:08Jokerswildhey guys, quick question, I have a 3rd generation iPod nano, and I wanted to put rockbox on it, I see that it isn't supported, any particular reason? and is there a client out there that would support it? (repasting because I'm not sure it sent, my wireless was messing up)
05:05:40[Saint]kugel: (also JdGordon {I see your input in this FS#}) I would really love to see this committed...RaaA is simply begging for this.
05:05:50[Saint]Jokerswild: No.
05:06:02Jokerswildsaint: why is that?
05:06:16JokerswildSaint: it seems like all support just skips and starts with 4G
05:06:33[Saint]Because people work on what they want to work on.
05:06:49[Saint]The Nano3G was a horrible flop, really.
05:08:15JokerswildSaint: gotcha, it makes sense, my friend actually just gave me this one. oh well, that's unfortunate
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05:10:09[Saint]Jokerswild: Sorry...fell off the net.
05:10:29[Saint]The device in question, the Nano3G just basically wasn't very popular.
05:10:40JokerswildSaint: no prob, happens, is there any Linux OS's for iPhone?
05:11:28JokerswildSaint: gotcha... so there is no way really to put rockbox on it? or any other Linux platform for that matter?
05:11:30[Saint]There's been *some* effort to port Rockbox to it (Nano3G), but, limited interest means it never really got very far.
05:11:46JokerswildSaint: is it workable?
05:11:55[Saint]Jokerswild: Correct. There's no third party OS for the Nano3G.
05:12:38JokerswildSaint: perhaps it's time for me to upgrade :P is there a Linux OS for iPhone?
05:12:54[Saint]regarding iPhone, no idea, and it would be offtopic anyway.
05:13:27JokerswildSaint: I understand, well I appreciate your help
05:13:27[Saint]We're Android people 'round these here parts. ;)
05:13:50JokerswildSaint: haha, well, is there a Linux OS for Android? that would be wonderful also
05:13:58[Saint]No problem. Sorry I couldn't give you any good news.
05:14:11[Saint]Android *is* a Linux OS...
05:16:38JokerswildSaint: really, explain?
05:17:09JokerswildSaint: I did not know this haha
05:17:12[Saint]Jump in #rockbox-community
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05:45:57ZackBC beginner here. The plugins.h file has a bunch of one line functions like this. void (*gui_synclist_limit_scroll)(struct gui_synclist * lists, bool scroll); Those are function prototypes, right? What are the parenthesis for? do they have a special name?
05:46:58funmanyes those are prototypes and the parenthesis are part of the syntax for function pointers
05:47:47JdGordon[Saint]: does the patch actually work?
05:48:55[Saint]JdGordon: I'm not sure if it applies/functions anymore...I tested it before you added your bits & pieces to it.
05:49:16JdGordontry it again then and we can talk about pushing it :)
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05:53:50[Saint]JdGordon: I dumped a nicer version of RaaA cabbieV2 (word-based identifiers) in "your" DropBox folder.
05:54:28[Saint]So you won't go insane trying to figure out what a-through-z are ;)
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08:50:07[Saint]JdGordon: Don't suppose you had any bright ideas with the crazy-popup-dance?
08:50:59[Saint](It might pay for you to work out the conditons of the unwanted blocking behaviour, if you've not actually seen it yourself)
08:53:30[Saint]"open the volume popup, then open the context popup on top of that, wait for it to timeout, then try and open the context popup again immediately (within 4 seconds of it timing out, actually)" is a good recipe for it.
08:55:08[Saint]or "leave the .wps with the context popup (via the quickscreen is the easiest to reproduce), then try to open the context popup immediately after re-entering the .wps" works too.
08:56:12[Saint]If you don't figure it out first, I'll have another stab at it in the late hours of tonight, early hours of tomorrow.
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09:00:29AtomizerHello all. Does anyone know how to get input from a user? I have a sansa clip. I want to ask the user to "Input 2 numbers. Number 1 * Number 2 = x"
09:02:04[Saint]How many times do you want the same answer?
09:02:24[Saint]There's several examples of plugins that take user input...look at the sources.
09:03:43Atomizer[Saint]: last time you told me to learn LUA. and you are the only one who's been answering me. Give me the name of one of the plugins or stop talking to me
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09:05:24*[Saint] sighs
09:07:03ZagorAtomizer: button_get() is a start
09:07:30Zagorkbd_input() is another
09:07:34AtomizerZagor: thanks. have you ever gotten user input before?
09:07:58[Saint]Oh, a couple of times, I think ;)
09:08:02Zagorsure, we use it to (re)name playlists and things like that
09:08:44Zagortry "grep -Rl kbd_input apps/plugins" for a list of plugins that use it
09:08:57AtomizerZagor: oh cool. thanks
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09:56:32CIA-44Commit 39eec73 in rockbox by Michael Sevakis: PCM mixer: Simplify mixer_channel_play_data.
09:59:12CIA-4439eec73 build result: All green
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10:36:53kugelhm somehow the sim doesnt show all plugins here
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11:03:47kugelah. i believe it died on a orphaned symlink
11:04:34gevaertskugel: did you see FS #12590?
11:04:34fs-bluebot Dircache breaks when flashing rombox or rockbox on h1x0 (bugs, new)
11:05:04gevaertsI know you can't reproduce it most probably, but you touched that last and you know the code a bit :)
11:05:57kugelSlasheri knows about hxxx specific code in dircache
11:06:38kugelon the the iriviers the dircache is written to disk and loaded on next boot
11:06:48kugeltry to delete dircache.dat and see if it remains
11:07:55gevaertsIt's almost definitely related to that. Behaviour changes a bit depending on the exact revision, but usually it crashes only if you boot after a clean shutdown, not after a hard reset
11:08:37gevaertsI might have messed up the bisect actually
11:08:52kugeldircache.dat is only created on clean shutdown
11:09:55gevaertsIn some other revisions it crashes only if you change the boot mode (i.e. disk, ROM image, RAM image), which seems related to dircache assuming a fixed load address, which IIRC used to be the case
11:10:22gevaertsSo that would have been a different (old and solved) bug, which means my bisect results are almost certainly confused
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11:12:18kugelyea it relocates now
11:13:23kugelgevaerts: I did test dircache-to-disk (as far as possible), it can be enabled by changing the #ifdef
11:13:46kugelback when doing the buflib work*
11:16:26gevaertsok, I'll try to do more testing tonight or tomorrow
11:21:05gevaertskugel: so h1x0 (i.e. HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS) is the only one that uses this saved cache?
11:22:14gevaertsIf so, I'd seriously consider dropping that. It's a bit of tricky code that's not tested by active developers...
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11:29:55kugelgevaerts: I think so
11:30:05kugelSlasheri will kill you if you remove it :)
11:32:02gevaertsI'll only propose removing it. This is one nice thing about gerrit, it allows a drive-by committer to easily do the actual blameworthy stuff without realising it :)
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11:55:33funmanremove it, and wait for Slasheri to complain, then ask him to fix the bug :)
12:02:26CIA-44Commit 885ecf8 in rockbox by Thomas Martitz: (Author: Albert Bloomfield) Add playlist wrappers for lua
12:02:52Slasherinot a good idea to remove that feature, doing that would seriously degrade the fast boot experience
12:03:56gevaertsSlasheri: that's true, but on the other hand the current "fast boot experience" involves a paperclip :)
12:04:04kugelcurrently it slows boot down apparently :)
12:04:38kugelby factor of inifity
12:04:51Slasherithere has been some changes to dircache recently? i haven't updated rockbox for a while (but have been actively using h140)
12:04:52CIA-44885ecf8 build result: 0 errors, 84 warnings (Albert Bloomfield committed)
12:06:20gevaertsSlasheri: define "recently". This bug seems to be at least four months old
12:08:03gevaertsAnyway, I'm not demanding that it's removed. I just think it should be discussed
12:08:15Slasherireally? ok, i will try with the current version. I remember that was an issue after dircache memory layout modifications introduced by kugel, but that issue was fixed afterwards
12:08:38Slasheriit should be fixed, not removed
12:09:00gevaertsTarget-specific features in common code make maintenance a bit tricky
12:09:12gevaertsBut yes, a fix would be welcome :)
12:09:32*gevaerts will also send a release-related mail today
12:09:50Slasheriideally eeprom settings should be used on other players too whenever possible :)
12:09:56CIA-44Commit af4f215 in rockbox by Thomas Martitz: Fix lua unused-variable warning by introducing UNUSED_ATTR.
12:10:22gevaertsOh, sure. If it's not single-target anymore I have no objections at all :)
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12:11:42gevaertsIf we don't do a 3.11 release reasonably soon, I think we should consider a 3.10.1
12:11:54Slasherithe problem is that we have no compatible bootloader to support that feature for other targets as h1xx
12:11:59CIA-44af4f215 build result: All green
12:12:03kugelwere there many fixes to the 3.10 branch backported?
12:12:58zapheehi everyone
12:13:20funmanwhich targets have a writable EEPROM ?
12:14:28zapheeI submitted a russian translation update a month ago, and it's still not accepted
12:14:40zapheewhat's wrong ?
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12:15:02funmanzaphee: perhaps it was just missed, what is the FS# ?
12:18:55zapheefunman: it's FS #12565
12:18:56fs-bluebot Russian translation update (patches, unconfirmed)
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12:23:31funmanzaphee: Семён Жуковский <> is correct ?
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12:24:31zapheefunman: yes, it is
12:24:57CIA-44Commit a794aaa in rockbox by Rafaël Carré: (Author: Семён Жуковский) Update rbutil russian translation
12:25:32zapheeyou're welcome :)
12:26:15*kugel considers "signed-off" tag wrong
12:27:11kugelwhat's the purpose?
12:27:43kugelit's visible who committed it. if you mean to say you reviewed it use "Reviewed-By"
12:28:02funman. "The Signed-off-by: tag implies that the signer was involved in the development of the patch, or that he/she was in the patch's delivery path,"
12:28:26funmanthat way it is even more visible
12:29:22funmangit log requires special options to see the committer
12:29:27kugelit's redundant for this meaning. and as we don't use it for gerrit it's inconsistent as well
12:30:17kugel suggests it exists because of questionable origins of patches
12:30:22funmani guess it doesn't harm
12:30:45kugelI would rather see reviewed-by tag added
12:30:53funmani didn't review the translation
12:31:01funmanbut i agree using tags would be nice
12:31:02kugelthen no tag :)
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14:00:10jasperspriteHello. I'm here looking for help. I have a Sandisk Sansa Clip v2 with Rockbox installed. My problem is, when I plug it into my computer's USB slot, Windows doesn't detect it, so I have no means to transfer any files to the player now.
14:01:10jasperspriteAnd when I try turning the Clip on using the original firmware, it just says connected or writing all the time, even when it's NOT connected. It's permamently stuck there.
14:02:41jasperspriteI also tried switching the power slider to the "Hold" position and holding the center button when plugging the player in. Didn't work...
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14:04:50gevaertsjaspersprite: if you're running 3.10, USB not working in rockbox is normal
14:05:26gevaertsIf the OF doesn't work properly either, that's interesting. Might be a hardware problem
14:07:08jasperspriteWell, when I plug the player in, the original firmware shows up and says "connected", but nothing else happens. Windows doesn't detect any new devices.
14:08:06gevaertsI'd try a different cable, USB port, or computer then
14:08:46jasperspriteUnfortunately, I tried with three different computers and two cables already...
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14:28:38[Saint]jaspersprite: sounds like a hardware issue, then.
14:28:52[Saint]Unfortunately, we can't help there.
14:31:05jasperspriteToo bad. Thanks for your time anyway.
14:31:38[Saint]Not a problem, I came in late ;)
14:31:52[Saint]Sorry I/we couldn't he of more help.
14:32:07[Saint]*be of
14:34:20[Saint]It always makes me slightly sad when a Rockbox target "bites the dust", so to speak.
14:34:25jasperspriteOK, it's not your fault after all. I guess I just need to buy some other player with Rockbox support.
14:35:13[Saint]Another Clip or Fuze should he either to come by. Either second-hand or refurbished.
14:35:40[Saint]*be easy to come by
14:36:35[Saint]EBay & Friends (similar sites) usually have quite a few refurbished Sansa devices.
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14:36:49jasperspriteWell, I had problems with this Clip's original firmware long before I tried Rockbox. Maybe it would be better to try something else.
14:37:55[Saint]If expense isn't an issue, I thoroughly recommend either an iPod Video or iPod Classic.
14:38:56[Saint]The build quality of both is very much nicer than that of the Clip or Fuse in my opinion. (Doesn't feel like a Happy Meal toy ;))
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14:41:24rudi_s[Saint]: Does rockbox work on an iPod classic?
14:41:53[Saint]Just basically compare the list of supported Rockbox targets against your needs/requirements, and then compare the list of what you narrow it down to with what's available second-hand or refurbished.
14:42:10[Saint]rudi_s: yes.
14:42:46[Saint]I wouldn't have said it if it didn't ;)
14:42:59rudi_s[Saint]: I'm just curious because the website mentions it as unusable port.
14:43:41rudi_sWhere can I find instructions for that? (And does it also work with a mac versionend ipod classic?)
14:44:09rudi_s*mac formatted
14:44:32gevaertsNo, the classic currently requires reformatting, for *all* versions. There's also no dual boot
14:44:53[Saint]That's just our port classification, it needs to meet certain criteria to become "usable". But, "unusable" definitely doesn't mean its actually unusable in this instance.
14:44:56rudi_sDoes the reformatting work on linux only (I don't have a mac anymore).
14:45:04gevaertsAnd it's not as stable as other players, but fixes for that seem to be on the way
14:45:12rudi_s[Saint]: Thanks, that sounds good ;-)
14:45:22rudi_sWhere can I find instructions to put rockbox on it?
14:46:08[Saint]There's currently no Rockbox bootloader for it, so one has to install emCORE via the Freemyipod project.
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14:46:43[Saint]There's also no way to dual you'll lose the original firmware, and with it, iTunes support.
14:47:04[Saint]Not permanently though, obviously.
14:47:08rudi_sThat's no problem, I don't have iTunes either anymore ;-)
14:47:17jasperspriteOK, thanks again for all the help. Bye!
14:47:20rudi_sThanks - what do I have to do after I installed emCore?
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14:48:23[Saint]Nothing. Following the emCORE installation instructions will leave you with a full emCORE/Rockbox installation.
14:48:43rudi_sAh perfect. Thank you.
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14:49:05[Saint]Its best to head over to the Freemyipod site and check it out from there.
14:49:25[Saint]There is detailed, step-by-step instruction given.
14:49:30rudi_sAlready reading the instructions.
14:49:43rudi_s;-) Thanks for your help.
14:49:50[Saint]Not a problem.
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14:53:48jasperspriteSorry, I forgot to ask about something. :P Somewhere on the Rockbox site there are instructions for "unbricking" a Sansa player. Do you think this could help in my case?
14:54:28[Saint]Its quite obviously a hardware issue, I'm sorry.
14:55:20jasperspriteI see. Oh well, bye again!
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14:55:42[Saint]...poor guy.
14:56:01[Saint]Broken Rockbox players make baby Jesus cry.
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15:55:53rudi_s[Saint]: Thanks again, seems to work fine on my ipod classic. Just one question, where can I get an overview of the used keys? I can't seem to find the "power off" key which is used by some programs.
15:57:22[Saint]The iPod Video manual should for all intents and purposes be pretty much identical.
15:57:33rudi_sPerfect, thanks.
15:57:51[Saint]To exit plugins, its usually menu+select though.
15:58:08[Saint]Not a problem.
15:58:20rudi_sRockbox is awesome :-)
16:00:39[Saint]'Tis indeed.
16:00:47[Saint]Oh, I forgot.
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16:03:49*[Saint] usually remembers to do that in a more timely fashion.
16:04:01[Saint]...must be slipping in my old age ;)
16:14:59[Saint]I usually try to "officially" welcome new Rockbox users when I'm around to notice. :)
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17:33:16trustthow can i reply to a comment on gerrit
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17:41:25trusttnevermind, it says Review on the button thats kinda weird :P
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18:25:23*thomasjfox just rockboxed a Sansa Fuze v2 to get a glimpse at the "real" thing
18:26:17thomasjfoxWhat's the "##MUSIC#" folder created after rockboxing? Looks like a mirror of the OF filesystem layout
18:26:37thomasjfoxOr "##PORT#"? Strange stuff :)
18:26:55[Saint]Its not got anything to do with Rockbox.
18:27:00[Saint]You're mistaken.
18:27:02gevaertsThose aren't created by rockboxing
18:27:09gevaertsThey're just not hidden by rockbox
18:27:41thomasjfoxAh ok
18:28:10thomasjfoxAnyway, I've installed the current build. Let's give the USB mode on AMSv2 some testing
18:29:02thomasjfoxSo, will the OF be unhappy if I delete "##MUSIC#"?
18:29:18gevaertsIt will put it back
18:29:21[Saint]It wont give a toss about it.
18:29:31thomasjfoxWhat does it store in there?
18:29:42gevaertsI believe it's the MTP store
18:29:45[Saint]The title isn't a giveaway?
18:29:59thomasjfoxIt's just confusing there's "MUSIC" and "##MUSIC#"
18:30:24Torne##MUSIC# is where it puts the usually hash-named files transferred over MTP
18:30:37TorneMUSIC is just a folder that exists to be an obvious place for you to put your music when you connect it as MSC
18:30:48Tornei don't think it actually cares if you put it in there or not
18:30:56thomasjfoxThanks for clearing that up
18:31:07thomasjfox(and yes, I tried to google it)
18:31:12Torneit'll recreate them when it feels like it, not sure if it makes them on boot, or on usb connect, or only when the relevant mode is enabled
18:31:17Tornebut: whenever it feels like it ;)
18:31:28Torneusual "set them hidden instead of deleting them" advice applies
18:31:42Torneas rockbox doesn't show hidden files/folders when show files is set to supported
18:31:51*[Saint] nods
18:32:06thomasjfoxJust two things I noticed during this journey
18:32:14thomasjfoxInstallation via RockboxUtility is really well done
18:32:28Torneit is on most platforms :)
18:32:29thomasjfoxDidn't even look at the manual and it worked out-of-the-box
18:32:40TorneThe forums/irc are a horribly biased sample
18:32:49Tornefor most devices and most users they go clicky click and it just works :p
18:32:53thomasjfoxAnd rockbox boots in lightspeed compared to OF
18:33:03thomasjfoxYep, it was exactly like that
18:33:06[Saint]Lies! There is no box!
18:33:13Tornethe box is a lie.
18:35:23thomasjfoxhey, mine came in a neat little box
18:35:44Torneif rockbox worked out of that box, though, i'd be surprised :p
18:36:21thomasjfoxWell, I think my brother will be surprised as it's his birthday present on Monday (with rockbox git HEAD preinstalled :o))
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18:36:48thomasjfoxOut-of-the-box ;)
18:38:10hillshumThe bias is very explainable. People only post in the forums if they have a problem :)
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18:48:42[Saint]thomasjfox: that's an awesome present.
18:48:50[Saint]I'm sure he'll enjoy it.
18:49:37thomasjfoxI hope so. He currently has an i.beat organix. Those are not usable and crash all the time (I used to own one, too)
18:50:03thomasjfoxI just reverted to 3.10, the context menu in the file browser doesn't seem to work in the current build
18:50:13[Saint]At least its not an inward.
18:51:26thomasjfoxHmm. Same thing. How do I open the context menu in the file browser? On RaaA I just give the right button a long press
18:51:40[Saint]Bah! Damn autocomplete.
18:51:56Tornecontext menu is usually long press select
18:51:58hillshumHold down the select button (I think)
18:52:19thomasjfoxhillshum: Thanks
18:52:48*[Saint] was going to say: "at least its not an i.beat bladder"
18:53:02thomasjfox[Saint]: lol
18:53:30thomasjfoxInteresting behavior that a long press of the right menu button scrolls the song titles
18:53:36[Saint]Humour fails when you screw it up 17 times in a row...
18:53:42*[Saint] retreats.
18:53:53*thomasjfox reflashes the current build
18:54:20[Saint]That scrolling behavior is intended.
18:55:27[Saint]It might pay to give the manual a onceover.
18:55:41thomasjfoxYep, I thought so :)
18:56:02thomasjfoxIt's just funny to notice the differences to RaaA
18:56:28hillshumThat's what happens when you replace buttons with a touchscreen
18:56:58[Saint]Rockbox Utility actually lets you download the manual for the installed revision straight to the root of the device...that may be wise.
18:57:10[Saint]Seeing as its a gift.
18:57:26thomasjfox[Saint]: Thanks, downloading right now
18:57:45thomasjfoxOne last thing: Is the USB mode on AMSv2 considered stable enough on the Fuze v2?
18:59:01[Saint] works. I'm not sure what other factors are involved in forming this opinion.
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18:59:20thomasjfoxCrashes for example
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19:14:34thomasjfoxThanks for the help, rockbox on the Fuse is awesome. Gotta run.
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21:12:57lebelliumanyone has a clue about what's wrong with the R0 themes?
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