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#rockbox log for 2012-02-25

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00:30:35bluebrother^jlbiasini: sorry, it's "lupdate -no-obsolete". Seems lupdate doesn't warn if you use "-noobsolete" intstead :(
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00:40:53KiwiCamSo, there have been a lot of changes lately with what we can do with custom themes. I have a bitmap that has 128 subimages. I'd like to use this as a background in a Progess Bar and a slider with 22 subimages. Can I do this now?
00:42:41kugel"a slider with 22 subimages"?
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00:43:19kugelyou can specify progressbar background and slider images
00:43:28kugelwithout subimages at all
00:45:34KiwiCamCould you give me an example please?
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00:46:32gevaertsKiwiCam: my latest theme does something like that
00:47:56KiwiCamgevaerts: I'll have a look. I'm just not picturing it. It's probably because I haven't looked at this for ages, so I keep forgetting half of what we can do with the code.
00:49:04KiwiCamActually. I was just looking at that. Your PB has only one background. I want it to switch between 128.
00:49:39gevaertshm, not sure
00:50:05KiwiCamThe slider's fine. I've done that a few times. It's the BG.
00:50:24kugelyou want different backgrounds?
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00:51:06kugeli.e. not just the same image divided into 128 parts (completing the whole picture)?
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00:52:03blackbirdDoes anyone know how good the port for the Ipod Classic (6th Gen) is?
00:52:37blackbirdMy Gigabeat F40 is in terrible condition
00:55:05KiwiCamHave a look at this an imagine it as the ground....
00:55:27KiwiCaman s/b and
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00:56:50kugelKiwiCam: I guess you can make 128 separate %pv()
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01:01:07KiwiCamWhat about just having a viewport under the PB viewport (with no background), which cycles through the 128 images?
01:02:19KiwiCamThe PB would just show the Slider images.
01:02:35kugelI don't think that'll work
01:02:39jlbiasinibluebrother^: I've updated it, thx :)
01:03:04jlbiasininow only my change appears
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01:06:56KiwiCamOK. I'll just have a go at the 128 %pv()'s.
01:12:19*[Saint] wonders what changes exactly have happened lately regarding custom themes.
01:13:00[Saint]Maybe its a different definition of 'lately' than my own.
01:13:27dfktcould some forum admin please recover my last post?
01:13:39KiwiCamActually. I can't see how that would do the trick. I want the ground moving (BG image) and I want a UFO flying above the ground (which I'll animate using the slider function). The UFO moves based on the PB value until it get to the far right side.
01:14:57gevaertsHm, I was going to ask...
01:15:10AlexPdfkt: Done
01:15:19gevaerts[Saint]: is there a problem with overlapping viewports if only one of them actually has contents?
01:15:24dfktAlexP, thanks
01:15:38AlexPyou're welcome
01:15:42[Saint]gevaerts: no.
01:16:13[Saint]There doesn't seem to be any reason to, though.
01:16:25[Saint]Am I not thinking laterally enough? ;)
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01:20:07gevaertsClearly not :)
01:20:36gevaerts[Saint]: how would you implement list items that are not vertically aligned?
01:20:57kugelcan we forbit URLs in posts for people with 0 post count?
01:23:27dfktcan the forum not forbid me from posting at all? ;)
01:23:36[Saint]gevaerts: I'm not sure you could.
01:23:53gevaerts[Saint]: sure you can :)
01:26:06[Saint]I can't think of a way to do so off the top of my head, but then, you're the skinned list expert these days.
01:26:28gevaertsI'll try to have a go on a bit
01:26:38[Saint]Actually ...I think I managed this when skinned lusts were still in testing.
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01:33:52KiwiCamThis is why I like the idea of the %ss tag. In addition to what I'm trying o do above, I'd like to be able to use something that gives me the values of a tag as a value. Unlike %ss (say %sn). I can use those values in an offset %xd(El,%ss(1, 1, %cM)). Stuff like that. I'd also like to be able to use the %sn to change a bitmap name ie candlemask$sn.bmp. Or anything that can help with making interesting animations.
01:34:29gevaertsKiwiCam: what *exactly* would the "value of a tag" be in general?
01:35:44kugeldon't we all want %rm()? (read mind)
01:36:11KiwiCam1 to 100 for a start. ie PB. 0-60 with %cS
01:36:34*gevaerts isn't sure he follows
01:36:50KiwiCamI can use the seconds to animate something and even break that down into subseconds with %t()
01:37:13KiwiCamI'll have a think about how I can be clearer. I'll come back.
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01:53:34gevaerts[Saint]: something like works, although I need a new tag to tell me the relative position of the current item
02:10:21dfkti have the status bar defined in the sbs, and i want the wps to display fullscreen album art when paused. is it possible to disable the status bar when the wps is paused (and when the current track has album art)? i tried a lot of approaches, but nothing so far worked. i'm talking about this theme -
02:12:05dfktjust want to get rid of the status bar for the 3rd screenshot
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02:38:26gevaerts[Saint]: plus g#126 does everything I want, although there seem to be some glitches left
02:38:27fs-bluebotGerrit review #126 at,126 : Add %LR and %LC to get at the current row and columm in skinned lists. by Frank Gevaerts (changes/26/126/1)
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04:29:39KiwiCamHow do I represent subimage labels greater than 52? ie if a=1,b=2,...A=27....Z=52 What would be the rest up to 60?
04:36:55KiwiCamStrike that. Using %xd(E,%xx) instead.
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07:05:10KiwiCamWhat about a simple Count Function? %cN(128) - Count from 1 to 128 and then start from 1 again. The value returned is a number, not a string. I've found some good solutions to a lot of what I want. No perfect, but workable. I'm quite pleased with it.
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09:47:14kugelKiwiCam: I think you can actually do that
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09:51:05kugelgevaerts: is g#126 pixel or line based?
09:51:06fs-bluebotGerrit review #126 at,126 : Add %LR and %LC to get at the current row and columm in skinned lists. by Frank Gevaerts (changes/26/126/1)
09:51:28kugelI ask because we wanted to get rid of line based at some point
09:51:36kugelnot sure if it's still the case
09:53:12kugelwhy do we have variables like "origional_x" :(
09:55:52n1sto distinguish it from the cheap knock off x obviously
09:57:57kugelthe typo makes it look even more cheap
09:58:26kugeland the its friends origional_{y,w,h} too
10:07:43KiwiCamCan I use the %xd like this now? - %pb(0,0,-,11,-,slider,%xd(H,6),nofill,nobar)
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10:10:37KiwiCamActually. My example should have been this, but I expect the answer is the same. %pb(0,0,-,11,-,slider,%xd(H,%cS),nofill,nobar)
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10:12:21Labaradori installed rockbox on my ipod video and when i select database it only says "Building database... 5628 found (PREV to return)"
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10:39:18JdGordonkugel: no, we are getting trid of line based lcd functions, there is no reason to get rid of lines/rows in the lists
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10:39:59kugelah okay
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11:18:53kugelAlexP: "by comparison" <- that sounds strange to me
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11:26:32JdGordonKiwiCam: what target do you want to do the counting on?
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12:07:10lorenzo92kugel: I replied to your question, the thing seems good :) Just to decide whether putting the module into firmware or into build folder (maybe it's better to ease further updates to the module)
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12:09:24kugellorenzo92: does it need to be updated (assuming no bugs)? It allows complete control over the tuner right?
12:09:34kugelI mean we won't need to change it to add feature
12:09:43lorenzo92yes you're right too...
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12:11:58kugelso I think the firmware is a good fit
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12:13:22kugellorenzo92: I didn't understand what you said about threads?
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12:15:27lorenzo92yes ok firware is pretty fine, for rds I simply tried to copy and modify the code in .. wait
12:16:37lorenzo92kugel: fmradio-i2c-as3525.c
12:17:08lorenzo92If I understood the logic correctly, it waits for an interrupt from the radio chip GPIO -> RDS is ready!
12:21:40lorenzo92so implementing the gpio part it's ok, we need to set up a thread that waits for it (I guess: gpio_is_high, then reset it, read rds,and again waiting)
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12:27:51lorenzo92My attempt was written into radio-ypr0.h (so it works pretty much like fmradio-XXX.c)
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12:40:00JdGordonanyone online with a target with 1/2 bit lcd?
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12:40:47lorenzo92JdGordon: by the way, I tested the "lcd-build" in my samsung YP-R0 and seemed everything was working fine...
12:40:47CIA-44Commit 13412f6 in rockbox by Jonathan Gordon: main menu: Add the ability to hide and reorder the main menu items.
12:41:00lorenzo92cool feature!
12:41:03JdGordonlorenzo92: thanks
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12:43:54CIA-4413412f6 build result: All green
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12:49:15dfktgoodbye useless database! \o/
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12:54:01bertrikeh wait, wasn't that a NODO?
12:56:43dfkthi guys, how do i get the database back? ;)
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12:59:22n1sJdGordon: do you plan to make a gui for changing that menu option thingy?
12:59:28bertrikmeh @ USB buggyness, corruption, non-responsiveness on an ASMv2 target
13:00:02JdGordonn1s: yes, not so high priority just yet though
13:00:21JdGordonI want to see how much code would be needed to add it the the ui without needing a plugin for it
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13:04:44dfktthe backdrop %X tag seems to disable the viewport background color %Vb tag - is there a way to override that?
13:05:13JdGordonworking on it
13:05:19JdGordonbut no, not currently
13:05:24dfktthank you
13:06:32blackershi i have a problem of very slow transfer with iPod 5th. maximal transfer speed is around 800Kb/s, do you think it's hardware? it's happening with OF and rockbox
13:09:17JdGordonhmm.. the lcd changed broke mr500 sim :/
13:19:25*JdGordon needs to bug someone who knows the 2bit lcd drivers
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13:31:26CIA-44Commit 28e0df7 in rockbox by Nils Wallménius: (Author: Fukuda Takafumi) Japanese translation update by Fukuda Takafumi (FS #12375)
13:31:27CIA-44Commit a6005c3 in rockbox by Nils Wallménius: Add Fukuda Takafumi to the credits
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13:42:30wodzJdGordon: I told you mrobe500 is special :-)
13:43:23JdGordonkill it in fire!
13:44:38wodzoh, and I have question about credits - unwinder was written by Michael McTernan should we add him to the credits even if he didn't contribute to rb directly?
13:45:03JdGordonyeah, in the bottom section for imported code
13:45:21wodzJdGordon: the other weird targets are M3/HD200 (the same pixelformat)
13:46:01dfktx5 remote is 2bit too?
13:46:50wodzyes but m3/hd200 have rather weird way of packing pixels
13:47:52JdGordonwodz: do you have either of them?
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13:49:47wodzI have HD200, but usb bridge is broken so the only way to update rockbox on it is to find CF card reader. I may try to borrow one on Monday.
13:50:01CIA-44Commit ff54e03 in rockbox by Nils Wallménius: Make some arrays const.
13:50:02CIA-44Commit 663667a in rockbox by Nils Wallménius: (Author: Cástor Muñoz) IPod Classic/6G: LCD sleep (FS #12523) by Cástor Muñoz
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13:51:41CIA-44Commit 3cdd50b in rockbox by Marcin Bukat: Add unwarminder author to CREDITS
13:54:58gevaertskugel: "no". It says which list item position you're rendering. That's not really related to pixels or lines
13:55:02CIA-443cdd50b build result: All green
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13:56:57JdGordonhey gevaerts, if you get a chance can you please do another round of builds for the lcd changes?
13:57:05JdGordonor just the nont 16-bit displays
13:57:15JdGordonalso.. can you please test it on your mr500?
13:57:19JdGordonmine is in peices
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13:58:23JdGordonlebellium: i tihnk im gonna just add an option param to %ss so you can tell it you expect a number
13:58:30JdGordoninstead of trying to guess what you wanted
13:59:27gevaertsThat sounds like a good idea
14:00:49gevaertsOr maybe (thinking out loud here) add an %atoi() tag that makes this work for all strings
14:01:44wodzhaha, reinventing C syntax with skin lang weirdness :-)
14:02:06JdGordon%?atoi(%ss(%pv, 0, 1))<foo>
14:02:19gevaertsJust a suggestion! :)
14:05:12lebelliumHello JdGordon . Either you mistook me for another person or I'm not fresh enough yet to understand what you said, just woke up :)
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14:07:04JdGordonerr ok, woops :)
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14:08:14*gevaerts has problems answering JdGordon's question on #g126
14:08:25gevaertsIt's obvious to me what I mean!
14:09:09JdGordondoes row/col mean th elist row and column when its tiled?
14:09:49gevaertsWell, row also works if it's not tiled
14:09:58JdGordonok, cool
14:10:15gevaertsThat allows you to do things like having a different font in the right column or things like that
14:11:08JdGordonI can only ask... "Why?" but :)
14:11:37gevaertsWell, the font idea is a bit silly
14:12:16gevaertsBut this allows me (well, the row number anyway, but I thought it would be best to do the column as well) to do this wavy list of mine semi-cleanly
14:12:51gevaertssemi- in the sense that it's full of overlapping viewports only one of which actually has contents
14:13:42gevaertsOr it would allow you to draw grid lines (implemented as images I guess) only inside the grid :)
14:14:27gevaertsOr use lighter colours near the top and bottom, giving the impression of fading in and out, implying an infinite list
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14:18:33JdGordonarg, why the hell am i getting the fallback WPS?
14:18:46JdGordon%?ss(0, 1, %cM)<1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10>
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14:20:07wodzJdGordon: I know this is not that important but LCD_ADDR() is not the best name IMO. It deals with framebuffer address not lcd address
14:20:45JdGordonyeah, I'll reaplce that once its working
14:21:51gevaertsJdGordon: can any numeric tag be used as a conditional?
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14:22:15JdGordonthat wont break the parser anyway
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14:23:02gevaertsI'm thinking of these rows and columns again. If you know you have e.g. three rows, %?LR<A,B,C> can be handy
14:23:12gevaertsIf you have 25 rows, things get less fun :)
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14:25:23JdGordonhow about we strip out everything and just use lua for the entire UI?
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14:28:34JdGordongrrr... | is the optoin seperater... not comma
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14:32:36bertrikJdGordon, I have been wondering about something like that :D
14:32:46bertrik(using lua or similar)
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14:50:27n1sum, so now i've somehow gotten a merge thing in git, how do i get rid of it?
14:50:47JdGordongit pull −−rebase
14:51:13CIA-44Commit 31a0595 in rockbox by Jonathan Gordon: FS #12586 - Modify %ss to be able to use numbers for conditionals
14:52:03CIA-44Commit 8c7d372 in rockbox by Nils Wallménius: (Author: Cástor Muñoz) FS #12519 - iPod Classic/6G: swap L-R audio channels by Cástor Muñoz
14:52:42n1sah hmm, i must have forgotten about the −−rebase switch between all the stashing and whatnot
14:53:58JdGordongevaerts: re g#113, like i said... change tag_table.c so it is DYNAMIC and then your change is fine
14:54:00CIA-4431a0595 build result: All green
14:56:41gevaertsIt will have to wait until I'm done building your lcd things though :)
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14:58:26JdGordongevaerts: can you reply in the thresad when they are online? im going to bed shortly
14:58:42gevaertsI'm still not 100% convinced that that's the proper solution, but it makes more sense to me now than it did last time you mentioned that :)
14:59:28gevaertsOh, and do you mind if I commit that row and column tag thing?
14:59:49JdGordonno, though i'll just a have a quick double check
14:59:59*JdGordon doesnt have issues with adding tags if there is a valid use case
15:01:03JdGordonbut in the future, please manually add me to review tag changes
15:01:21JdGordonand fix the whitespace!
15:02:39JdGordonis 0 the first col/row or is 1?
15:03:26gevaertsI can't think of a use case where these would be actually shown in the theme, so I don't think it makes sense to make them 1-based
15:03:43JdGordonso does %?Lr<first|second> work as expected?
15:04:09gevaertsI haven't tried that yet. I'll try before pushing
15:04:16gevaertsI *want* that to work :)
15:04:30JdGordonyou may need to + 1 with the *intval setting
15:05:33gevaertsIf that's needed, maybe I should just +1 everywhere. Anyway, if I need to fix more than whitespace, I'll wait for you to review again
15:08:10JdGordontest that and if it works go for it
15:08:14JdGordonthe rest is fine
15:08:47*gevaerts will amaze JdGordon with his *next* theme :)
15:09:55JdGordonfix the mr500 issue with the lcd patch and then you'll love the new options it will bring to skinniningg
15:10:15gevaertsI'll test that one. I won't promise to fix it!
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15:10:59gevaertsand yes, the main issues I have with skinning tend to involve putting things on top of other things
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15:11:51JdGordonhow am i supposed to resync a branch to master if rebase destorys the hsitory?
15:11:56JdGordonor I'm not?
15:12:11JdGordonbranch in this case being a gerrit push
15:13:38gevaertsI'm not sure if rebase is really bad all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if it works well *if* both branches only differ by the changes you want to move over
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15:13:45gevaertsOtherwise there's cherrypick
15:13:51gevaertsAnd possibly others
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15:18:03gevaertsJdGordon: you seem to have broken at least iaudiom3
15:19:08gevaertsMore results later :)
15:20:08JdGordonnuts, ok
15:20:54JdGordoneasy fix
15:22:18JdGordonfix pushed, one line change in
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15:22:41JdGordonso, if you can be bothered restarting or whatever
15:23:43*gevaerts will clone his git clone first
15:25:03JdGordoni hear you like clones, so i cloned your clone something clone?
15:28:43CIA-44Commit 58b226e in rockbox by Frank Gevaerts: Add "allbuilds" to, similar to "stablebuilds" and "usablebuilds"
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15:31:18CIA-4458b226e build result: All green
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15:59:10CIA-44Commit 906e90e in rockbox by Amaury Pouly: Move radio power handling from apps/ to drivers.
16:00:31jlbiasinipamaury: did you saw my comment on the forum about the delay power up idea?
16:00:54pamauryyes, but this week I was in holydays, I had no time
16:01:29pamauryI posted what the OF does on the forum, we should do something similar
16:01:41CIA-44906e90e build result: 0 errors, 18 warnings (Amaury Pouly committed)
16:04:49lebelliumSo nice to be able to get rid of the shortcuts menu! Thanks JdGordon
16:07:41CIA-44Commit 7d599b4 in rockbox by Amaury Pouly: radio: include power.h in drivers for tuner_power()
16:08:11jlbiasinipamaury: I ordered a new device and will recieve it soon. At last I will be able to test your touchpad gesture patch
16:08:47pamaurythis patch needs some work, I've not touched it since then
16:10:10CIA-447d599b4 build result: All green
16:10:23jlbiasiniYeah, I guess this is nothing very difficult. Most important we have a start
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16:30:55blackershi, i have a very very slow transfer speed on my iPod 5th gen, any ideas? w/ OF or rockbox it's the same, and the problem is not from my computer...
16:31:51evilnickTry a different USB cable
16:32:27gevaertsHow do you know it's not the computer?
16:32:31evilnickIf the slow transfer speed is the same on RB or OF then that implies it's some sort of hardware issue, so a different USB cable would rule that out
16:33:09blackersi have already tried a different usb
16:33:21blackersi have geniure and non-geniure
16:34:19blackersi know it's not the computer because i tryed with external hard disk, and the transfer speed is normal
16:34:39blackersi tried on a lot of ports, also on an usb3 port
16:34:54gevaertsWhat sort of speed do you get?
16:35:06blackersmaximal 800kb/s
16:35:34blackersi think i'ts form this damn ipod
16:35:40blackersi bought it on ebay
16:36:03blackersit was originally 30 gb 5th gen, the hard disk have been remplaced for an 80 gb
16:36:03gevaertsCould be. That's definitely much slower than normal
16:36:31blackersalso i'v formatted it, it doesn't changed
16:37:26*evilnick guesses at hardware error, and if it's not the USB lead or the computer then chances are it's the iPod
16:37:51gevaertsWell, it doesn't have to be an error. Maybe this disk is just horribly slow in ipods
16:38:53blackersbut there is no way to know
16:41:27gevaertsI believe you can get some information about disk errors from the ipod in diagnostics mode. I don't know the details though
16:41:55blackersok i'll try
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16:59:14gevaertsJdGordon: setting SKIN_TOKEN_LIST_ITEM_CFG to SKIN_REFRESH_DYNAMIC does *not* solve the problem I'm seeing
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17:07:57nkorthOkay, so the Lua plugin I'm making depends on a few bitmaps. How do I include these in the build? I can't include them in the normal system for turning .bmp into .h, because it's Lua.
17:09:03nkorthSnake2 and Sokoban have .levels files, but I can't find what's making them copy over.
17:11:05gevaertsnkorth: it seems tools/ copies those
17:14:44nkorththanks, I'll try that
17:28:48nkorthit worked!
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18:07:42nynethGood evening everybody. I am having a problem with a Sansa Clip+ with Rockbox. It can' be mounted as the original firmware doesn't boot
18:08:24nynethKnoppix doesn't recognize the device either...
18:08:58gevaertsHow are you trying to boot the original firmware?
18:09:45nynethI click the left button and the power button at the same time
18:10:05nynethIt appears the "fake flower", but then it freezes
18:10:29nyneth(sorry for the bad english)
18:11:18nynethWhen I connect to the computer with Rockbox on, Windows 7 says it's connected, but doesn't recognize it
18:11:29gevaertsI don't know then. I'm not too familiar with the clip+ though
18:11:50nynethBut Knoppix doesn't help me too much...
18:12:53nynethHum... the most strange part, is that when I try to go into "Files" in Rockbox, it keeps in the start screen
18:13:07nynethSomething says me that the filesystem is corrupt...
18:15:36evilnickWhat does System > Rockbox Info say?
18:16:36nynethLet me see..
18:17:02nynethBattery: Charging
18:17:15nynethInt: 1.55GB / 1.81GB
18:17:30nynethBuffer: 5.45 MB
18:17:40nynethVersion: 3.10
18:17:54evilnickAt least RB can see the correct capacity, it should be a 2GB clip+, right?
18:22:45nynethIn "partition info" shows from P0 to P3, and every partition has 0.0 MB
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18:34:18nynethI think it's dead for good... thanks anyway
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18:52:46Guest4148Hi to all, i'm logan someone can help me with my clip plus bricked?
18:53:47Guest4148i've follow th wiki but clip is recognized with 4mb size....
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18:56:51blackershi, i need some help
18:57:16blackersfor some reason i need to install rockbox manually, someone can explain or point me on a tutorial?
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19:00:06Guest4148Hi to all, i'm logan, someone can help me with my clip plus bricked? i've follow the wiki but clip is recognized with 4mb size....
19:00:46AlexP_blackers: The manual has manual install instructions
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19:01:59blackersok, thanks
19:02:15bluebrother^recognized with 4MiB size?
19:02:35Guest4148yes... :(
19:03:22bluebrother^blackers: "for some reason" meaning what exactly? Is there a problem with Rockbox Utility for you?
19:05:23Guest4148i've shorted the 2 pins as explained in wiki, then connect clip+ to usb, fdisk show: /dev/sda 4Mb 4231680 byte
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19:06:10bluebrother^Guest4148: which wiki page are you following?
19:06:57bluebrother^this one: ?
19:07:11blackersno...its from my iPod,i bought it on ebay and it was originally 30GB 5th gen. the guy remplaced it with 80Gb hard drive. now the hard drive have many many problems, i can't add files, i get error messages. so i've formatted it in HFS+ and transferring files seems to work. i wanted to install rockbox on my HFS iPod but it seems unpossible
19:07:27blackersis there any ways?
19:07:40bluebrother^blackers: Rockbox does not work with HFS+.
19:07:54bluebrother^also, if you have issues with the disk using a different filesystem won't solve that.
19:08:16Guest4148bluebrother^ : Yes: this is the wiki that i'm using
19:09:32bluebrother^a 4MiB size sounds more like the recovery mode on e200
19:09:38Guest4148sorry for my bad english....
19:10:09Guest4148yes, but is the only mode that i have on clip+
19:10:34blackersdo you think its possible to have a small fat32 partition with rockbox system, and another partition in HFS+ with my music files?
19:10:34bluebrother^no idea. I guess you should try to talk to someone with experience with the clip+. Something I don't have :)
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19:11:14bluebrother^blackers: no. Rockbox does not support HFS+, so putting your music on a HFS+ partition will not make Rockbox able to see it
19:11:32bluebrother^and as I said, if you have problems with the disk using a different filesystem won't solve them.
19:12:10bluebrother^either your filesystem was broken, in which case restoring the Ipod with a Windows Itunes should be ok. Or the hard disk is failing, in which case restoring it to a MacPod won't help
19:12:56blackershmm i don't really understand that...i'm not english. you mean if i have probles with fat32 i'll have the same problems with HFS? but no, i've formatted in HFS and it *seems* to work better so i wanted to give it a try
19:13:21blackershmm i don't really understand that... −−>"if you have problems with the disk using a different filesystem won't solve them."
19:13:52bluebrother^blackers: there are two possibilities:
19:14:22bluebrother^(1) your hard disk is dying. Then HFS+ or FAT32 won't make a difference.
19:14:47bluebrother^(2) your FAT32 filesystem is broken. Then reformat it.
19:15:27blackersi've already formatted it, and it doesn't make any change. and as i said HFS seems to works
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19:15:34blackersit's a strange problem.
19:16:02blackerswith fat32 i can have rockbox and all, but when i add files i have a 800kb transfer speed
19:16:29blackersand after some minutes i have error messages saying it can't add the files
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19:16:46blackerswith HFS+ i have 5mb transfer speed
19:16:59blackersand it seems to not have errors
19:17:21bluebrother^you're on OS X?
19:17:30blackersno windows
19:17:57bluebrother^how can you use HFS+ on Windows?
19:18:05blackerswith a software
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19:19:20blackersso i think i'm gonna re try to format in Fat32. is there a simple way to do it? i don't know any software
19:19:37bluebrother^use Itunes
19:19:51blackersi get an error message
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19:19:58bluebrother^saying what?
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19:20:03blackerswhen i restore
19:20:05bluebrother^and why use HFS+ on Windows?
19:20:09blackerswait i'm doing it
19:20:24blackerserror 1439
19:20:32bluebrother^using HFS+ on Windows doesn't seem to make much sense to me
19:20:45blackersbecause it's the only way my iPod works
19:21:17blackersif i'm using fat32 i get a lot of errors and its unpossible to add files
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19:21:53bluebrother^Apple has an article about this error:
19:21:56Logan2Hi to all, there is a expert in bricked sansa clip+? (I'm on this node 2 minutes ago, thanks bluebrothers^ for help)
19:22:11bluebrother^maybe your cable is slightly broken (i.e. it only works "a bit")
19:22:33bluebrother^funman: you're familiar with the clip+, right?
19:23:06bluebrother^blackers: you could also try to use a different PC / cable / USB port
19:23:37blackersi try
19:24:25jlbiasinikugel: is ist possible to use 2 context in PLA? I'm stuck again with remote but this time on logo plugins, remote is used not only to quit but also for direction keys...
19:24:28ProdicusI'm no expert, but it's really really really rare to brick a clip+ using the normal installer etc; the problems rockbox has had were with specific kinds of clip v2
19:24:46ProdicusHow did you brick it?
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19:26:25Logan2i've loaded some songs, disconnected from pc, (safety remove), the clip+ rebuild the database, after this don't start,
19:26:38Logan2so i turn off clip+
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19:27:52Logan2at restart clip+ say:. "Connect device and recover corrupted FAT
19:28:14ProdicusIOW you weren't doing anything with firmware/rockbox install when it happened?
19:28:53Logan2i'm doing nothing with firmware
19:29:40Logan2i try to follow the wiki: but clip+ is recognized as 4mb
19:29:40Prodicuswere you using the original firmware, or rockbox? if rockbox, what version?
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19:29:55jlbiasinikugel: ok never mind I got it
19:30:45Prodicus*eek* you don't want to try to mess around with the guts and innards of the player for a filesystem problem unless you've really exhausted all other options
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19:31:53Logan2Prodicus: i've try all option find in internet
19:32:14Logan2this is the last one......
19:33:21Logan2The rockbox version in use previously is 3.10
19:34:39Prodicusagain, I'm not an expert, but if it's a filesystem problem rather than a firmware problem or hardware failure hardware hacking probably will do more harm than good
19:34:49dartmouthNoob plugin question: I'd like to try fixing the bubbles and rockblox backgrounds for the clip zip, but I'm not sure exactly which files point to the .bmp that's used, or how to make the .bmp included when running 'make'. I know that one of the .h files (IIRC) sets the width/height that the file is chosen by, but I'm at a loss beyond that. Reply any time please, I'll check the log :) Thanks!
19:35:12ProdicusThat's why the "unbrick" page says "Talk to us in IRC BEFORE attempting this procedure" in big red letters
19:35:54dfktis it possible to define a default rwps/rsbs font in a theme cfg? an equivalent to "font: /.rockbox/fonts/blah.fnt"?
19:37:12ProdicusAFAIK a filesystem problem should usually be correctable by simply reformatting the flash
19:38:12Logan2Yes, i've seen the notice, the problem is not the procedure itself, but the fact that the player is recognized as 4mb
19:38:15gevaertsProdicus: "recognized as 4mb" implies that it's not just a corrupted filesystem
19:39:14Logan2but the clip+ is not recognized by win or linux
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19:39:39Logan2so i can't format flash
19:41:27Logan2the only drive that i can see is 4mb and windows is not able to format
19:42:37Logan2i think is an HW failure, the /SansaAMSUnbrick is the last way...
19:43:04Logan2to recovery clip+
19:43:25Prodicushow far have you already gone in pulling apart the player? are you connected via the normal usb connection or via wires you've soldered onto pads on the player?
19:44:00Logan2via normal usb
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19:50:23blackersbluebrother^> i've formatted in fat32
19:50:46blackersan i get this poor speed 800kbps
19:53:54bluebrother^using the Apple firmware or Rockbox?
19:57:03ProdicusLogan2: is the "4mb drive" recognized as a normal usb mass storage drive? what happens if you try to boot the original firmware (hold left while pressing on)?
19:59:25blackersapple firmware
19:59:40blackersbut now this is strange because i don't get errors
20:00:01blackersso if it keep this way it's ok
20:00:29Logan2Prodicus: the clip+ don't boot, only 4mb drive when connect to pc
20:01:05gevaertsLogan2: talk to funman about this
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20:07:02Logan2ok thanks, i'll come back tomorrow, thanks to all!
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20:18:20KiwiCamMorning Everyone.
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20:24:49funmanbluebrother^: yep
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20:27:17KiwiCamJdGordon: Target is the Clip. A count function would be great for use in %xd for cycling through subimages. I can see it being used to move Viewports Possibly to help cycle through a phase of subimages to "visually merge" to separate Viewports ie two progress bars. I know this just sounds like mass confusion. I have some ideas, but am not sure how to describe them to the more knowledgeable.. I see I have a fix :) for my bug. Thanks.
20:27:17KiwiCamWould you mind clarifying how I use the change?
20:27:47KiwiCamto = two
20:28:07jlbiasiniok so the simulator seems to show that PLA is not working on remote (for example bubble) could someone with a remote device test bubble with remote control and tell me if that works?
20:31:58KiwiCamJdGordon: It would be nice to be able to use the "count" fucntion to change the name of a bitmap as well. ie Bitmap01.bmp to Bitmap(count(xx)).bmp This was I can cycle through bitmaps in a Bar Tag for the background, Image and Slider.
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20:34:08gevaertsKiwiCam: I think that last one is basically not doable
20:34:40gevaertsI might be wrong, but to me that looks like mixing parsing/loading and rendering
20:35:16funmanProdicus: btw the clipv2 is running fine
20:35:51KiwiCamgevaerts: OK. The Slider bitmaps are jerky anyway. I get smoother results using %xd() - Bar Tags are just such a great feature.
20:40:11Prodicusfunman: good to hear, and I noticed a couple mentions on the website of code you'd committed to fix the problems. Any idea when they might release a version containing those fixes? I ask because I saw somebody already removed a couple of the warning signs I put on the wiki, but not in a consistent fashion, and I wouldn't want to remove the rest until a release is out with the fix.
20:42:00AlexP_Speaking of releases, we ought to get going on Rockbox for Workgroups
20:42:08AlexP_I'll send an email in a bit/tomorrow
20:44:29funmanProdicus: every code is committed and released
20:44:41funmaneverything for the clipv2 to work fine
20:45:07funmanjust use last rbutil to install bootloader
20:45:58jlbiasinigevaerts: don't you have a mrobe500?
20:46:08gevaertsjlbiasini: yes, why?
20:46:35funmanProdicus: which warning signs are still here ?
20:46:45jlbiasinicould you check if remote controls are working on bubble plugin?
20:46:58gevaertsno. I don't have the remote
20:47:22jlbiasiniarf no luck thx anyway... :(
20:51:14gevaertsJdGordon: your changes break the mr500
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20:56:26Prodicusfunman: I put warnings on SansaAMS, SansaClip, and TargetStatus; somebody removed one of the two warnings on SansaAMS a while back, and it looks like you just removed the one on TargetStatus.
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20:59:21ProdicusHadn't realized all the changes were in the latest rockbox utility release (thought it required a new rockbox release too). I can remove the warnings myself, no problem.
21:00:57AlexP_Prodicus: If the changes were to Rockbox, they aren't in the latest Rockbox Utility release. It is just that every time there is a source change, a new current build is made, which Rockbox Utility can install
21:01:26AlexP_The release version of Rockbox (e.g. 3.10 at the moment) won't contain any changes made after it was released until we do a new release
21:02:28ProdicusI've forgotten- does the utility install latest snapshots by default rather than the latest release?
21:02:52Prodicuswould seem a little odd
21:04:04AlexP_Don't know
21:04:29gevaerts"by default"? No. It doesn't do anything by default
21:06:36saratogai think the quick install thing does releases by default, but the other options prompt you
21:14:50saratogawow 31 hours runtime for an ipod 6G is pretty good
21:18:49saratogaok going to commit the clip keymap changes
21:19:49saratogabeen on the tracker for months, on the forums for weeks, i've contacted nearly all of the AMS developers and confirmed that none are opposed, and the response was positive from non-developer users
21:19:57saratogai think this counts as agreeement
21:20:31gevaertsgo for it!
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21:22:35funmanProdicus: right, you need a current build
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21:37:00KiwiCamYay! Clip Keymap changes.
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21:44:51jlbiasinihey why did I get a email from the mailling list just after posting : The results of your email commands, with my email returned and split in two part : "- Unprocessed:" and "- Ignored:"? :/
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21:48:20jlbiasinikugel: it seems that even bubbles doesn't handle remote correctly with PLA
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21:49:16kugelwhat do you mean?
21:50:08jlbiasiniin the simulator bubbles doesn't handle remote button on HD300 or iaudio-m3 for example
21:50:25jlbiasiniI didn't test others ones
21:51:03jlbiasinialthrough it did have code to handle remote so it should work...
21:53:06jlbiasinibut it might be a problem with iusimulator?
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21:56:34AlexP_It doesn't make much sense for plugins like that to use the remote
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21:57:02AlexP_You have to look at the main unit screen, so why would you be using the remote buttons instead of the buttons on the main player that you are looking at
21:57:36CIA-44Commit 6b66b88 in rockbox by Michael Giacomelli: Commit FS #12288 - Sansa Clip+: "Home" in the main menu to WPS/Radio.
21:58:06jlbiasiniAlexP_: Actually I just use it as a model to implement PLA remote on other plugin the used to have remote on their own controls method
21:59:14jlbiasinithe fact is that it is implemented but doesn't work - or at least seems so. And so I don't know how to implement PLA remote on plugin when I have to convert them
21:59:41jlbiasinithrough this absolutly useless
22:00:12CIA-446b66b88 build result: All green
22:00:34AlexP_jlbiasini: I'm afraid I don't understand your first sentance, would you rephrase?
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22:03:21jlbiasiniBubbles is THE plugin that use PLA in the more elaborate way. As i'm converting the more plugin as possible to have them using PLA, I often look into bubbles code to see how to do with special things (like remote). But here I'm stuck because even bubbles seems to fail on remote
22:04:16jlbiasiniso it's not like I would like to play bubbles with remote...
22:04:39CIA-44Commit 077e8b6 in rockbox by Frank Gevaerts: Clean up some variables.
22:07:10CIA-44077e8b6 build result: All green
22:07:41kugelsaratoga: nice hash
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23:06:42doh123good evening
23:07:48doh123i've a problem with my clip+, rockbox 3.10 and win7 not willing to even give it a drive letter, anyone care to help please? ->,33491.0.html
23:10:54doh123thanks just saw that
23:10:57doh123problem is, i can't
23:11:07doh123no drive letter: no way patching
23:11:12doh123afaik anyway
23:12:04saratogawhats with the huge rush of people asking about USB today? its been like this for years
23:12:45doh123well you should've written it into the manual or the rockboxutility or the homepage
23:12:54saratogait is in the manual
23:13:07saratogalike i said above, you need to use the sandisk firmware in 3.10
23:13:17saratoga(for usb)
23:13:41doh123and how would i get the firmware onto the player now?
23:13:58saratogareboot into the sandisk firmware, then you have USB
23:15:33doh123oh my... i love you.
23:15:38doh123err thanks
23:15:54*AlexP_ wonders why we bother writing the manual sometimes
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23:16:19doh123to have physical copies you can throw at people?
23:16:27AlexPThat'd be nice :)
23:16:37saratogai guess we could put some popup in rbutil that had notes for each player when people try to install the bootloader
23:16:52saratogamight be tricky to make that pull the info from somewhere we could easily update though
23:18:08doh123so basically i could upgrade to a newer build now per rockboxutility and have usb support in rockboxmode?
23:20:22doh123archived build ok or was something groundbreaking added in the last 20min?
23:20:51saratogai improved the keyamps about 45 minutes ago
23:23:03saratogahas anyone noticed that the GIT logs on the front page show the wrong day ?
23:23:25saratogafor instance my commit an hour ago has the correct time, but shows as having happened "yesterday" instead of "today"
23:23:37saratogaeven though the commit a few minutes after it shows as "today"
23:24:59AlexPsaratoga: git has two times, I think it is showing the local commit time, not the push time
23:25:26saratogaAlexP: yeah, but its still wrong anyway since theres commits before and after it that show up as "today"
23:25:39AlexPThat doesn't prove anything though
23:26:24AlexPAs they could have been committed then pushed today
23:26:24AlexPoh, I see what you mean
23:26:24AlexPMaybe it is sorting on one and showing another or something :)
23:27:23doh123hm with the current build my clip+ doesn't want to play things
23:27:47saratogawhat happens when you try?
23:28:08doh123i select a song, it jumps to the "current song display" or whatever you call it and right back into the database
23:28:24saratogaand it worked before?
23:28:34doh123the icon jumps from stopped>playing>stopped within a second
23:29:03saratogayou'll get that if its some unsupported format, but shouldn't happen for files it knows how to play
23:29:08saratogai'll check the current build
23:29:23doh123ignore me
23:29:31doh123gotta plug in the damn card -.-
23:29:58doh123i better log off before i halluzinate any more problems. thanks for your help and rock on
23:30:05saratogaFWIW if you're going to use the database, you might want to check the "autoupdate" option
23:30:12saratogaso that it doesn't show you files it can't access
23:30:20doh123ooh whats that
23:30:33saratogaan option that updates the database automatically :)
23:30:49doh123heh found and enabled it
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23:31:08saratogasince most people don't use the database, i thinkt he defaults assume you won't be using it either
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23:31:29doh123why don't many use it?
23:31:58saratogai don't think it uses much in the way of resources
23:32:02AlexPDon't like it, prefer to navigate by well set out folder structure
23:32:12AlexPNothing to do with resources for me
23:32:15[Saint]Filebrowser is just as good for a sanely arranged directory structure.
23:32:23saratogathat and it doesn't really make sense to use a database on a player that has removable storage IMO
23:32:58[Saint]It dies auto update, or can, so removable storage isn't an issue IMO.
23:33:27[Saint]I just prefer the filebrowser.
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