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#rockbox log for 2012-02-27

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00:02:05XephosHey, I wanted to install rockbox on my 5th gen ipod video, but I was wondering: how would I uninstall it if I don't like it, then reinstall the old?
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00:04:48gevaertsXephos: basically you'd connect it to your computer, run the installer program, and click "uninstall"
00:05:52XephosOkay, lol
00:06:25XephosI just wanted to make sure that it was a simple, hard to screw up process
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00:16:06CIA-44Commit 205785a in sandbox by Szymon Dziok: commit test1
00:16:06CIA-44Commit 18903d2 in sandbox by Szymon Dziok: git commit test2
00:33:05XephosI installed it, but whenever I connect it to my laptop, it thinks I've connected a usb keyboard
00:33:13XephosI want to uninstall it'
00:33:23Xephosbut I have no control over the mouse
00:34:36Xephosany helpful hints?
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00:53:51saratogawas there a good reason the database doesn't have automatic update on by default? seems like users would generally want this on if they were using the database (and not care if it was on or off if the database isn't initialized)
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00:56:46amiconnsaratoga: Yes. Automatic update is *extremely* slow if dircache is disabled (or not available)
00:57:43saratogaand that wastes power or disrupts the UI?
00:58:11amiconnAlso in my (very limited) experience database update is unreliable
00:58:42amiconnI rather rebuild the db than updating it (but then I only do so occasionally, as I'm not using it for real)
00:58:54saratogaperhaps it would make sense to enable it by default for devices that have dircache on by default?
00:59:00amiconnIt wastes power and takes a lot of time
00:59:06saratogaif someone turns off dircache they could also turn off autoupdate
00:59:23amiconnLowmem doesn'Ät have dircache
01:00:25amiconnMaybe it's not that slow on flash targets even with dircache disabled - never tried that
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01:04:04saratoga_anyway, i think its intuitive that if someone disables dircache that directory scans should get slower
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01:04:50saratoga_hence i tend to think it makes sense to have update enabled if dircache is on by default too
01:04:59saratoga_seems like most users will realize whats going on if they explicitly disable dircache
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01:08:22notlisteningHi all, I have been looking at the raspberry pi board that is just about to be released its a ARM11 76JZF-S, are there any other arm11 targets?
01:08:34saratogaplus i tend to think people that disable dirache (probably to save memory or debug) probably aren't using the database anyway
01:08:52saratoganotlistening: yes several
01:09:03notlisteningokay thanks saratoga
01:09:15saratogagigabeat f/X, samsung ypR0
01:09:21saratogalots of android devices
01:09:23notlisteninganyone looking at a rockbox port yet do you know?
01:09:48saratoganever heard of it before
01:10:26notlisteningits an interesting target worth a quick look
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01:11:16notlisteningprobably no the best fit for an mp3 player however worth a look
01:11:24notlisteningprobably not...
01:13:51notlisteningbut the price is the interesting bit
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01:21:54amiconnThe gigabeat F/X are not arm11. Gigabeatt S is, though
01:27:29XephosDid anyone see my prior messages?
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02:11:16saratogaXephos: (checking the logs) rockbox does act as a mouse if you have HID enabled
02:11:35[Saint](In mouse mode)
02:11:39saratogaeither disable HID in rockbox, or enable multiple mice on your laptop
02:11:48saratogathe respective device manuals probably could help you out if you need it
02:11:51[Saint]There's 4 hid modes iirc.
02:12:34[Saint]Mouse isn't the default, so enabling hid alone wont do it.
02:12:54[Saint]The default is "multimedia" I believe.
02:14:19[Saint]Oh....right. I see, whoops. Mouse *isn't* the desired effect here.
02:14:42[Saint]It must've been changed from its default.
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06:11:07Mirmy clip+ has horrible battery live when using a microsd
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06:11:21Mirdont knwo why i got only 4 hours out of the battery
06:11:27Mirit was only flac
06:11:46Mirthe same tracks i get 17 hours out of my C200 with
06:11:56*Mir thinks its the OFW
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07:01:02kugel[Saint]: did you upload your latest 320x480 version somewhere?
07:01:32kugelr00008 from fs#12254 isnt the latest is it?
07:01:33fs-bluebot RaaA cabbiev2 [Full Touch Application Port] (patches, new)
07:03:10[Saint]No and no. My laptops power brick shat itself, before it had time to sync any files. Working in it now.
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07:12:57davoi've got a fresh working install of rockbox v3.10 running on a Sansa Fuze+, but when i power off the device, to plug into pc for file transfers, rockbox starts on the device and the PC doesn't recognize the device for mounting. any ideas what i have wrong?
07:14:59davosorry, i meant to say i have a fuzeV2, not a Fuze+
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07:18:35[Saint]You've done nothing wrong, "we" did.
07:19:19[Saint]If you update to a current build, all will be well in the universe again.
07:19:45[Saint]davo: ↑
07:23:29[Saint]Long story short, the (intentional) behavior of booting to the OF for USB on these devices for the current release was overlooked when USB was enabled in current builds. And, it broke stuff, causing the behavior you're seeing. If you update to a current build, you *should* have working Rockbox-native USB.
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07:49:06JdGordonOK, I couldnt find a cable to work with my AJBR... so unless someone says they will test it on that or the ondios I'm going to go ahead and commit g#120 tomorrow
07:49:07fs-bluebotGerrit review #120 at,120 : lcd drivers: Convert lcd_[remote_]framebuffer to a pointer by Jonathan Gordon (changes/20/120/9)
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08:00:26davoThanks Saint, any ideas how i can get access to the device to update to a current build?
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08:16:36davoany way to remove rockbox without mounting it from a pc?
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08:18:03davo[Saint]: thanks for your response earlier
08:18:28davoany ideas how i can get access to the device to update it, or remove the current install?
08:19:01[Saint]davo: did you get it sorted out? Sorry, my wireless router fell off the desk and committed suicide.
08:19:37[Saint]You can force boot the OF by holding the left dpad button during boot.
08:19:46davoah not yet, i only recently noticed your response and have been diddling around trying to mount the device
08:20:14davooh bad ass!!
08:20:27[Saint]It just...wont, mount in Rockbox that is. You'll need to boot the OF for this.
08:20:35davo[Saint]: that worked, i had no idea of that "trick"
08:21:16[Saint]I know its cliche, but, we have a fine manual. Its worth reading.
08:21:38davoawesome, i had no idea there was a means to get access to the OF. Indeed, i do need to dig into the manual
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08:22:30davosad to admit, but i had been enjoying the app so much i failed to take the time to rtfm :\
08:22:41[Saint]Were there no means to access the OF, you'd have a lovely, tiny, Rockboxed paperweight right now. :)
08:22:54davoExactly my thoughts!
08:23:10davobut you guys are too smart to let something like that go unnoticed ;)
08:24:10davoi'm sure if someone wanted to do that though, they could sure wreak havoc on many rockbox devices :D
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08:25:34[Saint] actually took rather a long time to realize that the behavior of booting the OF in the release for USB was broken. The only reason its not a total tragedy is the fact one can boot the OF manually on demand.
08:25:49bluebrother^Rockbox is not an "app" ...
08:25:56[Saint]It was only noticed a few days ago.
08:26:36bluebrother^maybe mkamsboot should have a means to switch the behaviour
08:26:36davowow that's pretty damn cool
08:26:52[Saint]bluebrother^: Except when it is?
08:27:32bluebrother^[Saint]: ah, right :)
08:28:03bluebrother^but then you don't have issues with boot order on USB ...
08:28:14[Saint]This is true :)
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08:29:42bluebrother^so no, it's not an app (in this case)
08:30:42[Saint]davo: you may or may not notice, depending on your usage, but there's been quite a few advancements since 3.10, you should he happy with it.
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08:31:48[Saint]You're now able to assign shortcuts in the main menu, re-order the main menu and/or hide unwanted items...quite a few theme related additions also.
08:32:34davooh no doubt i was very happy with the 3.10, being that it was my first time using rockbox, i have been very impressed
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08:33:31[Saint] that case, I forgot my obligatory "Welcome to Rockbox" that I like to throw at new users.
08:33:46[Saint]So, Welcome to Rockbox :)
08:34:26[Saint]Thanks for being awesome.
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08:43:18davoawesome, thanks [Saint] and likewise, glad to be a proud user, i've even recommeded it to friends. i'm excited to try the new build. thanks for making awesome rockbox :)
08:44:15KiwiCamAwesome! Thanks guys for Rockbox and all your efforts. Loooovin' it!
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08:45:39KiwiCamThe Sim is working. Happy Now. For the moment ;)
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08:50:20[Saint]KiwiCam: have you remembered what you wanted %ss to return a numeric field for yet? Your flyspray submission certainly seemed like you were full of ideas.
08:51:48[Saint]'ll be able to append st or th to the date now with an %if statement, woo! ;)
08:52:57[Saint]Or a textual clock that says things like "a quarter to <hour>" etc.
08:53:17*[Saint] throws some lame ideas in the pile.
08:53:56KiwiCamZzzzzzzzt! Yes. I did indeed. True about the clock. I'd like something that people can still read though.
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08:55:38KiwiCamI'll probably be needing your advice later on.
08:57:59[Saint]Well...if I'm around, gimme a ping.
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09:00:11KiwiCamThanks. My Grandma codes better than I do. I'm so slow at this stuff. This'll take me months, unless I concentrate ;)
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09:02:15[Saint]Can I meet your Grandma? She sounds awesome.
09:03:53KiwiCamShe'll blow you for $10.00. She's rather good.
09:06:25KiwiCam(silence ensues)
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09:07:08*evilnick reminds KiwiCam that this is a logged channel and so anything non-rockbox should be in #rockbox-community :)
09:07:51kugelwhy does the config item for the root menu order have underscores?
09:10:16[Saint] idea.
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10:19:51GodEater_Christ - that really is an appalling list of mentors :(
10:21:14Zagormaybe resolution independent positioning could be a project
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10:21:54gevaertsGodEater_: see why I'm not optimistic about it?
10:22:11Zagordownsides are that it a) touches damn near everything, and b) might not even be acceptable in the end
10:22:29GodEater_gevaerts: I do
10:22:42gevaertsZagor: At first it sounds like one of those things that need an established developer
10:22:44*GodEater_ wonders what's happened to everyone's enthusiasm for GSOC
10:23:16JdGordonthe lack of success in thepast few?
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10:23:57[Saint]Was that really that public? It shouldn't deter new students...only mentors.
10:24:17[Saint]I totally understand mentors being dubious.
10:24:38gevaertsJdGordon: I'd say that's at least partly caused by this lack of enthusiasm
10:24:56gevaerts[Saint]: the problem we have *now* is mentors and ideas
10:25:15*[Saint] nods
10:25:19JdGordoni tinhk also maybe that mentors who have good ideas want to do it themselves?
10:25:23GodEater_what / who failed last year?
10:25:27gevaertsAnd I personally think the underlying cause for that is our fundamental structure as a free-for-all anarchy
10:25:51GodEater_gevaerts: possibly true - but who would you see as dictator/overlord?
10:25:53[Saint]When you mentioned it, I tried to rack my brains for ideas...but everything I came up with was either way too much or way too little.
10:26:06GodEater_Bagder and Zagor are both too busy IRL to do much these days
10:26:12gevaertsGodEater_: I'm not saying that structure is wrong as such for rockbox
10:26:21gevaertsI just think it's not a good match for GSoC
10:26:46*JdGordon raises his hand to be the overlord!
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10:32:34GodEater_is there an easy way to get stats from git/gerrit to see who our most active devs are these days?
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10:35:47[Saint]Its ugly, but you could grep the logs for occurrences of commit announcements.
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10:36:52ZagorGodEater_: git log?
10:38:19wodzI'd like to relocate bootloader. I crafted such code in crt0.S and such linker script - and I get warrning from gas: crt0.S:30: Warning: unrecognized section type
10:38:24wodzany hint?
10:39:00wodzthe assembled .elf contains only .blreloc section
10:39:14wodzTorne: ?
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10:41:18mrkikooh oh oh ! Switched to git!
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10:41:45[Saint]Thanks for
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10:52:33Aevumthats weird, with the clip OF i had 1040 files, and RB is stating 800
10:57:55Aevumbut thank you very much for your work, it sounds better and runs better then OF
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11:08:40Aevumgot it, 1014 songs
11:12:24wodzgrr, I found out the origin of the gas warning but produced output is still wrong
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11:18:52wodz\o/ found it
11:19:34[Saint]KiwiCam: when you said you might need me "later"...did you mean later tonight, or later some time in the near or distant future?
11:28:30KiwiCam[Saint]: Later, as in any time. So no need to hang around.
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11:34:30Tornewodz: you don't need me to look any more? :)
11:35:25wodzTorne: yeah, I was caught by 1) typo 2) ld stripping unreferenced sections (aka vectors)
11:35:37Torneaha :)
11:36:13wodzstill didn't run it on the target though
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12:51:49JdGordonping anyone with any archos devices?
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12:52:28JdGordonZagor: did you get anywhere with dyunamic lcd? or just as far as fiddling with th elcd api?
12:57:29ZagorI got a little bit further than that. afaik I had the menu sort of working and started looking at a wps. don't remember the details.
12:59:53JdGordonwas that with scaling?
12:59:59JdGordonor just the patch on fs?
13:00:28Zagorwith scaling
13:01:27ZagorI remember adding a "resolution changed" event and playing with resizing the sdl window
13:02:08JdGordondo you want the HONOUR of redoing it on master? :)
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13:03:13Zagoryes, I very much intend to. life keeps throwing gunk in my path though :-)
13:03:50Zagorof course, if you beat me to it I probably won't cry. much. ;)
13:05:24JdGordonRL seems to have slowed down for me os I have spare time :)
13:05:30JdGordonbut I wouldnt want to steal your fun!
13:06:03Zagordon't worry about that. if you want to have a go at it, go ahead!
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13:11:26ZagorI guess I should diff my old svn workspace and ensure you get everything.
13:13:21JdGordoni tihnk its in git.. or enugh is there
13:14:53Zagorwell that sort of depends on how much wasn't committed, don't you think? :)
13:15:10JdGordonerr.. sure :)
13:15:53Zagor16 files changed, 200 insertions(+), 137 deletions(-)
13:17:13Zagorslightly contaminated with my android clock stop testing
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14:14:38Miezucan anybody here help me with a clip+ problem?
14:15:10Tornenot unless you stell us what the problem is
14:15:34Miezutoday i was just listening randomly and an error popped up
14:15:43Miezuit's saying panic updating zie on empty dir 35
14:15:50Miezuand some box char at the end
14:16:31Miezuwhen I start it it just tries to play the song from where it left off but fails to do so
14:16:36Miezuand the error pops again
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14:18:18SynrGi suppose it would help to say which release you're using
14:18:39Miezui just updated to the latest one
14:18:42Miezusame error
14:18:47Miezunot sure what i had before
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14:20:39Torneplease check the actual version, rather than saying "the latest one", since that could be at least two things (the most recent release, or the current development build)..
14:20:55Miezuok just a second
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14:22:25Miezunow i tried to open the menu it gave me data abort at 3004b18c fsr 0x8
14:23:06Miezuversion is bf4edb3M-120221
14:23:26Miezugot it from dfkt at anythingbutipod
14:23:40Tornethat's not one of our actual builds, then...
14:24:06GodEater_if you got it from anywhere other than - it's not one we care about over much
14:24:10Torneis there some reason you're using a build from someone else isntead of from our build server?
14:24:26Miezuoh well it had some patches i think
14:24:31gevaertsIn genera though, I'd say checking the filesystem would make sense
14:24:32Miezulike some crossfeed
14:24:36Tornei'm sure it did
14:24:38MiezuI did a chkdsk
14:24:46Tornebut you should try our unmodified builds before reporting a bug
14:24:51Miezuwell i can get the official one
14:24:58Miezulet me do that then
14:25:32Miezuone question though]
14:25:50Miezuwhat do i have to backup from the folder to keep the runtime data
14:26:08Torneinstalling a new build does not overwrite any settings or user data
14:26:20Miezuwell don't i have to delete the rockbox folder
14:26:22Miezuand get a new one?
14:26:22GodEater_(unless you delete it first. Not recommended)
14:26:39GodEater_there's usually no good reason to do that at all
14:27:03Miezuok then it just had to refresh the media and i'll try the official build
14:27:54Torneif it still does it with the normal build, and you've run chkdsk on the filesystem with no errors, then tell us the exact panic text from the screen
14:28:06Tornealso, is it just one file where it does this?
14:28:35Miezuwell the chkdsk said it fixed some stuff and put it in a found directory
14:28:43Miezuit had something inside not sure what some kind of report
14:28:51Miezuand I can't play any file anymore
14:29:04Miezuthe files, database and resume playback tabs don't respond
14:29:08Miezuif i can get to the menu
14:29:37Miezuthe panic screen said updating size on empty dir 35
14:30:09Miezualso I can use the OFW to play music
14:30:19Miezuit does this with the rockbox only
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14:41:03Miezuok I got the 3.10 now
14:41:08Miezustill does the same thing
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14:45:58Miezualso the microsd logo is there even if i take the microsd out
14:50:12gevaertsI suspect there's probably something still "wrong" with the filesystem, in the sense that our FAT code doesn't like it (even though it might be valid otherwise)
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14:51:54Miezuso what should I do
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14:52:06Miezucan I fix it by reinstalling the rockbox directory
14:52:10Miezuor do i have to format it?
14:52:33gevaertsIf I'm correct, reformatting would be the only option if chkdsk already did what it could
14:52:55Miezualso any way to get around the refreshing your media screen?
14:52:59Miezuit's darn annoying already
14:57:19[Saint]Don't boot the original firmware?
14:57:36Miezucan't seem to get the usb in rockbox
14:57:41Miezuat least not from what i remember
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14:57:55[Saint]Oh, right. Yes.
14:58:19[Saint]Clip+ on 3.10, sorry. I forgot you'd said that.
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15:54:57wodzI made kind of progress with rk27xx bootloader - main binary loads, and hangs on splash screen, backlight thread is working as bl reacts on keypresses. The same binary loaded into mem directly works :/
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16:47:16jlbiasinihey pamaury! My patch for sensibility setting works! but I guess that we will have to wait for do-it-right direction before to commit it. would you have some?
16:49:29pamauryhey ! I don't know what is the "right direction". Touching the settings is often controversial. As far as I'm concerned, the patch looks fine
16:51:18jlbiasiniok, I'm going to have a look at radio keymaps to see if it's ok. The radio seems to work very well - thank for your work!! :)
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16:51:53chickpeahello, I am having an issue with a sansa clip+, running most recent build of rockbox. It works fine, but one issue, it doesn't mount, in fact when inserted into USB port, it does not show up as a device either under Windows 7 or under linux x86_64
16:52:47jlbiasinidoes it charges?
16:53:03chickpeaand usb connection shows up on the clip
16:53:09chickpeabut just doesn
16:53:20gevaertschickpea: which exact version are you running?
16:53:21chickpeasorry, it just doesn't show up as a device
16:53:37chickpeaone minute
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16:55:04jlbiasiniare you sure you don't hold accidently some button pressed while connecting it?
16:55:12chickpeayes, sure
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16:55:24chickpeathis behavior is also present in OF
16:55:32chickpeabut only after installation of rockbox
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16:58:25chickpeaps, yes I have verified that is in MSC mode
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17:09:38jlbiasinipamaury: it seems I was too quick on my review for radio: I experience complete freeze of the device while using the autoscan fonction on first connection to radio. Radio go on playing but no key react (even volume keys) funnily while not reacting the touchpad reactive backlight
17:10:15pamaurythat might happen if you didn't power down the device properly
17:14:04jlbiasinido you mean once? I've made some test and even after having power it down softly it still freeze after autoscan
17:15:48jlbiasinichickpea: if it also occurs on OF it might be a hadware problem... :(
17:16:13chickpeastrange, but this also happens on my clip v2 as well. Let me verify once again
17:17:18jlbiasiniyou could try to reboot... your computer! :)
17:17:34chickpeajlbiasini: well that's also something that I was considering :)
17:17:54chickpeaperhaps something with dbus or fuse went screwy
17:18:53jlbiasiniI once had the problem with a sd card usb and fuze+ there is a knowned issue but it was definitivly my computer
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17:25:45pamauryjlbiasini: are you sure you have the latest git head ? I'll try tonight but the patch worked on my fuze+
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17:26:00pamauryoh, perhaps I forgot to commit the init delay, I'll check that
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17:27:25jlbiasiniyour last commit appears on saturday...
17:27:35jlbiasiniI guess yes :D
17:31:12pamauryI committed a delay but perhaps it's the not the right one, if you want you can try to change it now if you have time
17:31:38jlbiasiniwhere is this delay?
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17:33:31pamaurysee e67a1af it's in power-fuzeplus.c
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17:35:10jlbiasiniok I'll have a look
17:36:06pamauryI should probably have a look at the datasheet to use the proper delay, if available
17:40:10jlbiasiniso it's the udelay value?
17:40:36jlbiasiniwhy would the felay woks without autoscan and not with?
17:41:13pamaurywhat do you mean ? the delay ensures a proper initialization of the radio
17:41:35pamauryif the delay is too short, the radio might not work
17:43:46jlbiasinithe radio works. I means I can hear sound and set station. But when I launch it, it always ask me If I want to do autoscan, if I say yes it does it and once it reaches its end freeze. If I say no it works
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17:44:26pamauryhum, weird
17:44:37pamaurythat's not related to the udelay then
17:44:54jlbiasinithat's what I meant
17:45:21pamauryI admit that I always cancel autoscan before the end :)
17:45:30pamauryI'll investigate this
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18:23:20dfktdoes rockbox support non-embedded png album art? the manual only mentions what works for embedded
18:25:10dfkti see, thanks
18:25:31Tornethat seems kinda weird.
18:26:04dfktwould be nice for my c64 screenshots for SID tunes ;) jpegs are 10 times larger than pngs in that case (at reasonable quality)
18:26:44gevaertsWe don't have an in-core png decoder
18:26:56Torne..then how does it work in embedded?
18:27:12dfktembedded isn't supported either
18:27:26dfktat least that'sw what the manual says
18:27:26Torneyour question made it seem like it worked
18:27:38dfktseems jpeg and bmp are the only ones
18:27:44dfktsorry for being facetious :)
18:28:29dfktit's funny that the manual specifically mentions png ion that case, though -
18:28:38dfktbut not gif or anything
18:29:19Tornepresumably that's because there is a common standard of embedding jpg and png
18:29:21Tornebut not gif
18:29:26dfktah, true
18:29:29Tornei.e. it's a thing files are likely to have
18:29:41Tornebut it is a little onfusing, yeah
18:31:36gevaertsOf course getting rid of the confusion is a problem with a straightforward technical solution :)
18:32:50Tornepng decoder in core? :)
18:34:44dfktrle compression for bmp isn't supported either, it seems?
18:35:13Torneseems largely pointless :p
18:35:31dfktwell, it makes the 102kb bmp into 12kb :)
18:35:38Tornethe point of having bmp is because it doesn't need decoding, not because it's a good format :)
18:35:43dfkthah, right
18:35:56Torneif you're going to decode it anyway you can decode from something good
18:37:21dfktrun-length encoding should be rather easy/efficient to decompress though, right?
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18:55:09[Saint]Um.....embedded album art *is* supported.
18:55:15[Saint]dfkt: ^
18:55:34[Saint]Pretty sure .PNG is too.
18:56:19dfkti didn't get any png to show up
18:56:41[Saint]Ooops ...seems I misread.
18:56:43dfktembedded jpeg seems to only work up to a certain size, larger ones don't show up
18:56:58dfktcover/folder.jpg size doesn't seem to matter
18:57:52dfktwell, it matters on the x5, when a 1500x1500 jpeg takes a minute to show up :)
18:59:17[Saint]Well, there's no point in art larger than the smallest number of the resolution, really.
18:59:50dfktthe point is convenience, hust dragging my stuff over, but yeah, that was jsut an example - for the x5 i convert album art to 160x160
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19:14:23LkeKeMy sansa clip + is brick, installed rockbox worked fine, but when i tried another theme it died
19:14:41LkeKedoesnt boot at all, not even turn on
19:15:06LkeKewich is weird because was working fine just change the theme and PAM!! not working anymore :(
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19:15:35gevaertsHave you tried hard-resetting it by holding the power switch for more than 30 seconds?
19:15:36LkeKeif somebody have seen anything like it
19:15:56LkeKemore than 30 secs? i tried with 20
19:16:04LkeKeerr like 15
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19:17:32AlexPIT might be even more than 30
19:17:36AlexPjust keep holding
19:17:44LkeKethanks you guys
19:17:47LkeKeits back to life
19:17:50DBUGEnqueued KICK LkeKe
19:18:03LkeKei was thinking about getting a new 1
19:18:29LkeKehow weird this
19:18:44LkeKegevaerts, :)
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19:21:59LkeKethis issue was loading the rockbox theme
19:22:06LkeKethe others worked fine
19:23:16funmanwhen is 3.11 coming ?
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19:27:35funman3 weeks it seems
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19:51:15funman[Saint]: still no nano2g :/
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22:19:28herman_My Sansa Clip+ cannot get past the Database Refresh in the OF. This means I am unable to format and also unable to connect it via usb to correct the problem.
22:20:54herman_I tried the disconnection solution from the website but then I receive the "Not enough space for music DB. Please free 90mb" message
22:21:25herman_Is my player bricked? Or does anyone have a solution to this?
22:22:15bertrikI think you can get it into a special state by holding *all* buttons during bootup
22:22:30bertrikin this state it first asks you to select the language etc, IIRC
22:23:32bertrikcan't find my clip+ to verify it
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22:24:21herman_doesn't work
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22:28:50funmanyour bootloader doest have usb?
22:28:58funmantry pressing center while plugging it
22:30:15herman_I tried this already to force it into msc mode but it doesn't work
22:31:19funmananyway for OF problems see sandisk forums
22:31:20herman_I am stuck on the "refreshing your media" screen again
22:31:48herman_I see. thank you anyway!
22:32:02funman[Saint]: do you have a mean to track nano2g packages?
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22:45:15ej0rgeHey. I have some m4a files that can be played by linux apps built with ffaac but not on my rockboxed DAPs.
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22:45:45ej0rgeAny suggestions how to troubleshoot?
22:46:11fmlJdGordon: hello. Why is the new setting for the root menu needed at all?
22:47:03n1sej0rge: are they rather long?
22:47:12ej0rgen1s: ah, lemme look.
22:47:18ej0rgehow long is rather long?
22:47:32n1sthat depends :)
22:47:43ej0rgemidentify says ID_LENGTH=891.51
22:48:07funmanyou can try in a simulator build also
22:48:08ej0rgeso near 15 minutes
22:48:12n1sthe longer the file is, the more likely it is to hit the memory limit due to how the container parsing works
22:48:39n1si think most files people had problems with were hours long
22:49:08ej0rgewhat happens is it skips right through the whole album without playing any audio
22:49:38ej0rgeis there a debug switch to turn on that might be informative?
22:49:54n1sthe simulator might give osme info if you're lucky
22:50:11ej0rgeok. I never used the simulator before but will give it a try later
22:50:38n1sif it's the problem i'm thinking of, some tools can "optimize" the files so they require less memory, i know fb2k can at least
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22:58:32saratogabluebrother: would it be feasible to have rbutil warn users who are installing builds with no USB support as suggested on the tracker?
23:02:36bluebrothersaratoga: while it's technically no problem I'd really like to avoid that. That would only add yet another special case to Rockbox Utility that might need changes to Rockbox Utility at some point.
23:02:50bluebrotherand I'd really like to get the number of special cases down, not up
23:03:01saratogacould we have a general mechanism for showing users notes about what they're installing?
23:03:35saratogabasically someway to take a block of text from the webserver and show it to someone when they hit install? might be useful for more then USB
23:03:42bluebrotherIMO bootloader installation should *never* change depending on code in Rockbox Utility (i.e. boot order)
23:03:51bluebrotheryes, that might be useful.
23:04:03bluebrotherthe only problem is how to handle translations in that case ;-)
23:04:26bluebrotherwe could have a release notes document on the webserver that is displayed after installation.
23:04:35bluebrotheror even included in
23:05:25bluebrotherI also want to have some changelog window on Rockbox Utility start, we could have something like that for Rockbox installation (well, release installations) as well
23:05:41saratogaif someone wants to change how rbutil handles patching i don't mind so long as they're very careful not to brick anything
23:06:00saratogai'm more interested in stopping the 5 year long stream of people asking why USB doesn't work when they install a build with no USB
23:07:41bluebrotherwell, having some release notes document shown after installation could solve that
23:08:07Strife89I think a message upon plugging in the device would help nicely
23:08:15bluebrotherplugging the device?
23:08:30bluebrotherhow do you want to show that?
23:08:41Strife89"Yo, USB isn't ready yet. Be patient and let us finish it first!"
23:08:59saratogai think installing the bootloader might be a better time for that, so that people don't get the message everytime thereafter when they update
23:09:35funmanlet's wait for 3.11, problem solved
23:10:20bluebrotherwe still have the dependency in Rockbox Utility.
23:10:36gevaertsfunman: you mean usb is stable for everyone?
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23:14:01*bluebrother still thinks this dependendy should go away
23:14:29*gevaerts agrees
23:15:23n1sis it really a dependancy? i thought the only thing changed in the install tool was that it boots rb by default when plugged in
23:16:29bluebrotheryes, since the code that decides what to boot is compiled into Rockbox Utility
23:17:06saratogasince we'll probably enable USB in 3.11 i'm not sure that its really worth changing
23:17:14n1si don't see why that's a big deal, it's not likely to change much
23:17:42bluebrotherwell, once we get yet another AMS target (which might happen) that has unstable USB in the beginning the same thing we have right now starts again
23:18:19saratogayeah but the bigger problem isn't the default behavior, its that people don't know what the behavior should be
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23:18:43bluebrotherthat's the bigger problem from a users / support point of view ;-)
23:18:46saratogaif every user knew about the USB status, we could boot rockbox by default even without USB support
23:18:51n1sis it so horrible if it boots rb even if the usb support is disabled in it?
23:18:52saratogaand not bother with this mess at all
23:19:07gevaertssaratoga: so we don't fix it because we will "probably" enable USB in 3.11, and then we enable USB in 3.11 because we didn't fix it?
23:19:10saratogaif the user knows we have dual boot, no, in that case it doesn't matter at all
23:20:10bluebrotherhasn't the boot OF on USB also be a saftey measure in the past, at least for some players?
23:20:14*gevaerts hasn't seen *any* discussion yet about whether USB on AMSv2 is stable enough to enable in a release, so he doen't see how it will probably be enabled
23:20:40bertrikcould we add some magic to the main rockbox binary so the bootloader can see if it supports USB or not?
23:20:54bluebrotherisn't that too complicated?
23:21:01saratogawouldn't help since the bootloader doesn't handle dual boot
23:21:02bluebrotherI see two options:
23:21:09n1sbluebrother: the h300 still boots the OF when charger is connected when it's off
23:21:13bertrikUSB works fine for me on my clip zip by the way
23:21:23n1sthat thing has been stable is the classification was made
23:21:56bluebrother(1) change mkamsboot and the dualboot code to be able selecting which boot order to install. Shouldn't be too hard since there are already values for the dualboot code set by mkamsboot, at least as far as I understand
23:22:01saratogai just don't see what the boot decision has to do with anything, its just a bandaid for our crappy documentation :)
23:22:18bluebrother(2) download a dualboot.o from the webserver (or embed it in some way in the bootloader file downloaded)
23:23:01bluebrotherpersonally I'd prefer (2). We can still have some default dualboot.o in mkamsboot and simply make Rockbox Utility not use it (but download it instead)
23:23:17bertrik(0) Do nothing :)
23:23:29saratoga3) make boot to rockbox the default for everything, USB or not
23:23:31bluebrother(-1) stop using Rockbox
23:23:55saratogai guess 3 and 0 are the same thing
23:24:01JdGordonbluebrother: its been a few hours :) can you test the g#120 pretty please?
23:24:02bluebrothersaratoga: then someone has to fix the h300 bootloader :)
23:24:02fs-bluebotGerrit review #120 at,120 : lcd drivers: Convert lcd_[remote_]framebuffer to a pointer by Jonathan Gordon (changes/20/120/9)
23:24:27n1sbluebrother: yeah
23:25:11bluebrotherurgh, I don't have the sh1 compiler on this machine :(
23:25:19saratogabut yeah i really think giving users *some* kind of feedback before they install something with no USB support is something that should have happened in the PP days
23:25:43JdGordonbluebrother: the forum thread has built zips for you
23:25:51bluebrotheroh, nice
23:25:55*bluebrother heads over to the forums
23:26:20JdGordonthanks :)
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23:29:22bluebrotherJdGordon: anything special to look for or only if LCD seems fine?
23:29:38JdGordonyeah, if it gets to the menu it works
23:31:40bluebrotherJdGordon: ^^
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23:32:29bluebrotherhmm, I can't find the commit hash in the gerrit review. Which version did gevaerts build?
23:33:27bluebrotherthat's ondiosp, just for reference
23:34:37JdGordonbluebrother: thanks
23:34:50bluebrotherok, on commnet Gerrit now.
23:35:00gevaertsI don't think anything changed between 7 and 9, apart from mr500 and the name
23:35:31bluebrotherI've mentioned the version in the comment, so people familiar with the code can decide :)
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