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#rockbox log for 2012-03-05

00:04:35pamaurysaratoga: yes, the sensor reports position and delta
00:05:30saratogaso its basically giving you a bitmap of where someone pushed?
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00:07:20pamaurysaratoga: not a bitmap because it's single touch
00:07:27saratogaah ok
00:07:28pamaurybut you can get a kind of pressure
00:07:38saratogaso it basically figures out the centroid of whereever you pressed and gives you that?
00:12:01hillshumDoes HID work on all targets with USB support?
00:12:02pamaurybut you get an average of the width of the finger
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00:13:34saratogapamaury: does it do anything about trying to extract a motion path or is that up to software to figure out?
00:13:59pamaurythat's up to the software
00:15:26pamauryyou can google it if you want, the interface is called "Synaptics RMI (version 3)"
00:17:24saratogahow frequently does it read out?
00:17:24pamauryyou can choose
00:18:00pamaurymax is 80 times per second I think
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00:39:47saratogaipod classic PMU polling thread on the mailing list
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01:47:29fr3ehow do i include dmalloc.h in my .c program? after i do 'make zip' it says dmalloc.h cant be found. pretty sure i downloaded dmalloc from its website and made it correctly according the the instructions.
01:48:05fr3eand its located in usr/include/dmalloc.h and usr/local/include/dmalloc.h
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01:50:44saratoga_fr3e: what are you trying to do with that lib?
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02:00:18fr3esaratoga trying to use malloc and free
02:00:34saratoga_fr3e: yeah of course but how and for what purpose :)
02:03:31fr3esaratoga I keep running out of memory with my multi dimensional array. someone told me mallod would solve my problem.
02:04:02saratoga_fr3e: porting that library to rockbox is probably a lot of work for an experienced programmer, as I recall you were the guy who didn't really know much about c programming right?
02:05:08fr3esaratoga_ ye
02:05:10fr3esaratoga_ yes
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02:11:43[Saint]Iirc didn't some also tell you the massive array was a *really* silly way to achieve this? :)
02:12:34fr3eSaint i can use bitmaps too, either way i need to figure out how to use memory better otherwise its 20 frames vs 40 frames when i want to display 2000
02:13:08JdGordonmallocd isnt going to help you if you havnt figured out that you just cant read the whoel data file into memory at once
02:13:21*[Saint] nods
02:18:11fr3eJdGordon if ive got 100*100 pixels, and ive got 2000 frames, can i have 2000 data files which are each a string of 100x100 characters ?
02:18:17fr3eSaint ^
02:18:39fr3eand then nested loops with drawpixel in my .c file
02:19:09fr3esaratoga ^
02:19:46saratoga_fr3e: i'm not sure if you're the same user, but someone asked something similar recently and got a good explanation of how to do this:
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02:20:14[Saint]If the explainee is Torne, tis the same.
02:20:39saratoga_fr3e: but yes, what you probably want to do is read pixel's from the disk storage and then display them
02:23:10fr3esaratoga so that would work? and that would not require malloc?
02:23:25saratoga_yes, see the link i posted above
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02:25:36*JdGordon is willing to be that fr3e and superlinuxpro in the link are one and the same
02:25:37fr3esaratoga_ thanks for respoding. so would you recommend having 2000 data files with a string of 100*100 pixels if i wanted to make a "video" with 200 frames with 100*100 pixels ?
02:25:57fr3ewith a string of 100*100 ones or zeroes
02:26:03[Saint]I really don't see the fascination in wanting to do this with individual pixels.
02:26:09saratoga_fr3e: yes, although I'd probably just make one file that has all the pixel values listed sequentially rather then 1000 individual files
02:27:02saratoga_before you do that I'd look into how c arrays work though
02:28:00saratoga_for instance, the code you posted above stores two copies of every pixel, each of which is 8 times larger then it needs to be
02:28:17up-milofr3e, make a 2D array
02:28:19saratoga_ if you're running out of memory it would make sense to only keep one copy of each pixel, and then store that pixel efficiently
02:28:19JdGordonfr3e: you do understand that what you're saying needs 2000*100*100 bytes on disk to do?
02:29:37up-milofr3e, make a 2D array. The first dimension stores the frame number. For the second dimension, each element will be a pair of x and y coordinates where you want to turn a pixel on.
02:30:08fr3esaratoga i think the program was messing up just by declaring a large array ( char array[2000][100][100] ) it made my program not work (screen turned black). do you think that would cause the problem?
02:30:25fr3eJdGordon yes i understand, i just need to know how fix the memory problems
02:31:54saratoga_fr3e: no, because theres no way to compile such code
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02:38:32fr3esaratoga_ 8 times cause i could be using bits instead of bytes? what do mean by two copies of every pixel?
02:38:49saratoga_fr3e: is this also you?
02:39:25saratoga_see the explanation there about why you're double storing things
02:40:13saratoga_heh, you're just asking me the same things that were already explained to you there
02:41:09saratoga_i guess its not so useful to explain things if you're not really familiar with programming
02:41:56saratoga_maybe you should put this aside and do some more basic c exercises until you understand a little more clearly whats going on, rockbox is about the worst possible way to learn c since everything is about as complicated as it can be
02:43:37fr3esaratoga twice as much b/c im not intilializing the array? does that mean char array[1][1];array[0][0]='i'; uses twice as much memory as char array[1][1]='i'; ?
02:51:18saratoga_fr3e: yes, because you're storing two copies of 'i'
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04:11:32hillshumWhat's the status of HID these days?
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04:20:33funmannobody's been working on it afaik
04:21:21[Saint_]Does it need it?
04:21:23hillshumEnabled in git?
04:21:30[Saint_]Seems perfectly functional to me.
04:21:38funmanhillshum: manual should say so
04:21:41[Saint_]hillshum: yes.
04:21:53hillshumI didn't see it in the Clip+ manual
04:22:12[Saint_]It should "just work" on any USB enabled target iiuc.
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04:23:39[Saint_]Perhaps its not enabled for this target due to USB not being known stable?
04:23:57[Saint_]Easy enough to check the defines.
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04:27:10fr3eThe lseek() function sets the file pointer associated with the open file
04:27:10fr3e descriptor specified by fildes as follows:
04:27:24fr3eis the "file pointer" the same thing as the "file descriptor" ?
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04:34:35*hillshum searched the manual for for "USB" and "HID" and found nothing of revelance
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04:39:22[Saint]It doesn't appear to be enabled, no.
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04:42:29[Saint_]hillshum: You could try simply adding #define HAVE_USB_HID_MOUSE to /rockbox/firmware/export/config/sansaclipplus.h
04:43:11[Saint_]not *100%* if that's sufficient, but it seems to be the only HID related define (unless I'm in the *whole* wrong area.).
04:43:29[Saint_]I suspect if I am, I'll be suitably chastised soon enough.
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04:48:45[Saint_], it needs USB_HAS_INTERRUPT defined for HID to be enabled.
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04:55:05[Saint_]You could attempt tp blindly enable it by adding CONFIG_USBOTG USBOTG_S3C6400X to the #elif section for #if defined(HAVE_USBSTACK) in /rockbox/firmware/export/config.h
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04:56:14[Saint_]and adding HAVE_USB_MOUSE as explained above. Not sure if just blindly enabling it would be such a good idea...but it /probably/ won't do any harm other than "not function as intended".
04:56:25[Saint_]hillshum: ^
04:58:10[Saint_]Oh, wait. there's a slightly more sane way to add it to that define madness.
04:58:18*[Saint_] isn't thinking today.
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06:09:17hillshum[Saint_]: It looks like I need to define the Clip+ as having USB interrupts so that config.h will define it as having HID
06:10:36[Saint_]That's correct as far as I can see.
06:11:14[Saint_]Then you'd also need to add HAVE_USB_HID_MOUSE to the target specific config
06:15:52hillshumWould that be #define HAVE_USB_HID_MOUSE ?
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06:16:33[Saint_]that's correct
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06:25:13[Saint_]So, basically, uncomment line 1068 in /rockbox/firmware/export/config.h and then insert #define HAVE_USB_HID_MOUSE somewhere in /*/*/*/config/sansaclipplus.h
06:26:33[Saint_]You can append it to the bottom, add it with the other USB related defines, or insert it randomly pretty much doesn't really matter.
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06:35:01hillshum[Saint_]: It built properly
06:35:34[Saint_]I wouldn't have expected otherwise.
06:35:45[Saint_]It may not *work*, though ;)
06:38:20hillshumNope. The MSC is buggy, and HID doesn't work at all
06:38:56hillshumgit clean to erase all my changes?
06:38:58[Saint_]does the HID screen appear at all?
06:39:10[Saint_]git reset −−hard
06:39:19hillshumIt says Keyboard Mode: Multimedia or something to that effect
06:39:39[Saint_]Right, so at least its enabled correctly, its just broken.
06:40:23hillshumpretty much. Should I post any of this to FlySpray, or is this basically already there?
06:40:57[Saint_]I'm not sure enabling something that's deliberately disabled counts as a bug.
06:41:58[Saint_]I was kinda hoping it just wasn't enabled due to the fact that USB isn't 100% on these targets, but it seems to be just...broken.
06:44:00hillshumYup. Are the irc logs enough, or should I post/report this elsewhere?
06:44:52[Saint_]From the comment in the config, it seems known that USB_INTERRUPT is broken, so I wouldn't worry.
06:45:20saratoga_i would ask pamaury about it in the morning
06:46:06[Saint_]It was a (reasonably) fun experiment that could have been awesome if it worked, but I'm now pretty positive its intentionally disabled as opposed to being disabled out of neglect.
06:47:20saratoga_given that USB on amsv2 is still a work in progress it may be that no one has bothered to finish HID yet
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06:53:27*hillshum should probably test HID on Linux as well
06:55:29saratoga_looks like HID was working at some point
06:57:46*hillshum will investigate further tomorrow (or sometime after he quits his job and finishes spring break)
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07:10:15funmanhillshum: clip+ doesnt work with hid
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07:10:45funmanand yes it apparently worked with pamaury's pio driver
07:12:21hillshumfunman: Yup, just figured that out
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07:12:53hillshumthe part about not working, that is
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07:15:18funman :(
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07:20:19saratoga_funman: were you still trying to find a nano2g?
07:20:35saratoga_let me see if I can find mine
07:20:44saratoga_you're in canada right?
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07:21:17saratoga_email me your new address, if i find it i'll ship it this week
07:22:12saratoga_also if you could remind me in a day or two that would be great, i'm really busy this week
07:23:38funmanmgiacomelli@gmail ?
07:25:26saratoga_yeah that works
07:25:38saratoga_and thanks for the spam :)
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08:12:04[Saint]can a committer please do me a favour and close FS #12254
08:12:06fs-bluebot RaaA cabbiev2 [Full Touch Application Port] (patches, new)
08:12:18[Saint]reason for closing: depricated
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08:21:14pixelmafor some reason I thought you were given flyspray powers but I'd do it if not
08:21:41[Saint]If you could close it, I would appreciate it.
08:21:46funmanOut of Date?
08:21:59[Saint]moved to github.
08:22:02pixelmaa link to where it's at now?
08:22:07funmanthat's not an option
08:22:37[Saint]Oh, I thought you could specify an arbitrary reason for closing.
08:23:32funmanthere's a drop down with a list + a text comment, not sure who cares about which option i choose :)
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08:24:03[Saint]It doesn't really matter I guess. If anyone's watching it they'll still get the notification from my last comment and be able to follow it to the post explaining what happened.
08:25:04funmanpixelma: [Saint]: done
08:25:19pixelma[Saint]: it would be nice if we could point people where to find it now
08:25:50pixelma"it", your cabbiev2 work
08:25:57[Saint]pixelma: If anyone was following it (several were), my last comment in the thread details where it is now and how to find it and lodge issues against it.
08:26:25pixelmaah, ok
08:26:26[Saint]they'll get the notification from my post, and the closing notification.
08:26:32[Saint]Not ideal, but, it'll work.
08:26:56pixelmahadn't seen it as it's alllll the way down
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08:58:30pixelmaso if no-one else +2s my change on gerrit I have to do it myself to be able to submit it, or is this not necessary?
08:59:15funmanyou can push directly
09:00:47pixelmado you mean through the gerrit interface (because I don't see a button to do so) or just through git?
09:01:04funmanfrom git. assuming you're on branch master: git push
09:01:28funmanif you had checked out a branch to work on: git push mybranch origin:master
09:02:08pixelmaand that'll just push the one change I assume if it's the only commit I made
09:02:14funmanorigin = remote (you could have several other remotes pointing to github repos for example), :master = push into remote branch master
09:02:37funmanalso, git push −−dry-run (to see what would happen but not complete the push)
09:02:54funmanand git log + git show to check if it's correct before going to the point of no return
09:03:17pixelmathanks, I'll try :)
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09:05:05funmanTorne: are merges allowed in our repo?
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10:12:47wodzI'd like to move int2le* functions to some common location. This are used in mi4 firmware file handling and in test_codec.c. Is there a common place where such general functions should land?
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10:19:47[Saint]wodz: /firmware/common/<foo>?
10:21:43wodzthis was my first guess.
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10:22:32wodzThe thing is a bit more complicated as this functions are used as static inline now. I am not sure this makes much difference considering where they are used
10:26:03[Saint]I'm not sure what the convention is here (or if there even is one).
10:27:01wodzthats why I'am asking
10:27:43[Saint]Oh, yes. I realize that. I just wish I could be more helpful.
10:28:09funmangeneral.h ?
10:28:28funmanlooks like "throw everything that didn't fit somewhere else" header
10:28:44[Saint]colonel.c? ;)
10:30:17wodzfunman: the first question is if this really matter to inline this explicitely
10:31:03funmanfor code size perhaps
10:32:14funmani think i would keep the duplication if it's only used in 2 unrelated parts
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18:55:27pamauryHum, I highly suspects that there are two versions of the zen x-fi2, one with internal nand and one with internal sd
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18:59:52dfktpamaury, theoretical question - if rockbox someday might work on the x-fi3, would it support the x-fi's apt-x bluetooth profile? (afaik, still the only player on the market that supports the only good sounding BT audio transfer)
19:00:54pamaurydfkt: I would like to implement bluetooth support, as for apt-x I have no idea if it's a pure hardware thing or there is some hardware involved but yeah there would be some interest in implementing it
19:01:17dfkti see, great :)
19:01:38pamaurybut first, make the x-fi3 work :) Then implement a bluetooth stack :D
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19:02:17dfkti have a loaner x-fi3 from a friend... apt-x is great, but the rest is truly appalling
19:02:31pamauryyeah, the OF is not great
19:02:50dfktyeah, you have to enable BT after each start, for example
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19:03:23pamauryI haven't tested BT but the UI is damn slow for no good reason you're right
19:05:22saratoga_dfkt: i think apt-x can be done in software or via an ASIC on a board
19:06:39pamaurydfkt: that's not that simple, the BT hardware probably has a special interface to send audio data
19:07:17pamauryso you don't necessarly have control over the compression format
19:08:58saratoga_yeah, but what i mean is that the apt-x people sell both a software encoder for their codec, and dedicated ASICs for it
19:09:15saratoga_so in theory creative could have used either approach in their BT implementation
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20:10:16CIA-44Commit 4601a8b in rockbox by pixelma: Manual: Fix misaligment in the 'Images' theme tags table.
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20:12:02*pixelma hopes that went correctly
20:13:36CIA-444601a8b build result: All green
20:13:50pixelmaif I look at the diff link from the homepage, there are magenta marks - what do those mean?
20:14:22pixelmameh, others don't have that
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20:14:57gevaertspixelma: the 68/168/2?
20:15:11gevaertsThat's the gerrit id
20:15:26pixelmathat's fine then?
20:15:35pixelmaok, thanks
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20:17:32pixelmaaha, gerrit noticed the push too and closed the task I guess
20:17:57gevaertsThat's the advantage of an integrated system :)
20:18:45pixelmasuch a tiny change but I still am relieved that it went ok it seems :)
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20:32:32funmansaratoga_: ping, did you put the hand on your nano?
20:32:49saratoga_crap no i forgot to check in my car this morning
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20:40:19fmlBagder: Torne: Hello. Could you please add me to the gerrit committers group?
20:43:46fmlWhat should I do if I have created a git branch off the master branch, made a commit, uploaded it to gerrit, and now want to improve the change? Just make further changes and then git commit −−amend?
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21:03:18bluebrother^pixelma: your realname isn't set up correctly with git :)
21:03:50bluebrother^AlexP: I was thinking about releasing Rockbox Utility regardless of the mkamsboot issue.
21:04:26bluebrother^pushing a release now doesn't make the situation worse, and it does fix two rather ugly issues for several people (SAPI and Fuze+ bootloader, both Windows only)
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21:37:28bluebrother^AlexP: any comments?
21:37:45AlexPbluebrother^: Sorry, missed that
21:38:01bluebrother^no problem :)
21:38:09AlexPHas there been any discussion on whether workgroups will have AMS USB?
21:38:33bluebrother^none that I'm aware of, but I haven't been following IRC closely
21:38:59bluebrother^but regardless IMO a new release of Rockbox Utility won't make the situation worse.
21:39:12bluebrother^I still think that dependency should be removed in some way.
21:39:22AlexPYes, in the longer term
21:39:51AlexPBut I'm just thinking that if 3.11 doesn't have USB, then we will need yet another release of rbutil before the release of 3.1 to reverse the bootloader won't we?
21:40:11bluebrother^if we want to change the behaviour, yes.
21:40:30bluebrother^OTOH we could simply announce it in the release notes.
21:41:12bluebrother^I was thinking about a way to show the release notes to the users during installation. Might be a good thing if we had some "fixed" version of the release notes in plain text on the webserver.
21:41:20bluebrother^along the builds
21:41:28AlexPyes, that could be nice
21:41:50AlexPHow annoying is the behaviour at the moment?
21:42:09bluebrother^then Rockbox Utility could download that and simply display it. Maybe do some simple formatting. Some simplified markup / down / rst / ...
21:42:18bluebrother^no idea, I don't have an affected player :)
21:42:38bluebrother^from my understanding the problem is simply that people aren't aware that they need to boot the OF manually first.
21:42:55AlexPDoesn't sound too bad
21:42:56bluebrother^and Rockbox doesn't reboot into the OF for USB (as we did with Ipods)
21:43:15AlexPI'd have to defer to people who are affected by it
21:43:31LloreanI think that the bootloader used to default to booting to the OF if it detected USB after poweroff, and now it doesn't.
21:43:40LloreanSo it was a change of behavior for some people when they updated the bootloader
21:43:45bluebrother^yes, that's the change.
21:44:16bluebrother^the problem isn't that it changed when updating the bootloader but when installing the bootloader with a newer version of Rockbox Utility.
21:44:38bluebrother^so if someone want the old behaviour back (s)he could install the bootloader using an older version of Rockbox Utility
21:44:51bluebrother^(which is the dependency that shouldn't be there IMO)
21:45:22bluebrother^but since we don't support older versions of Rockbox Utility one can say it's when updating the bootloader
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21:46:17AlexPWell in that case probably go ahead and then get working on removing the dependency :P
21:46:21AlexPgevaerts: opinions?
21:46:32bluebrother^that was my though :)
21:47:01*gevaerts agrees
21:47:27bluebrother^how long until 3.11 is planned? 3 weeks?
21:48:15gevaertsUnless blockers appear
21:48:49bluebrother^I was thinking about adding some changelog / release notes display after installation.
21:49:10bluebrother^though I might not get that done by then. Too much other stuff these days ...
21:49:25bluebrother^and we need to define where to download those information to display :)
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21:51:30*bluebrother^ wonders if we can come up with a text format and a script to convert that to wiki markup
21:51:39bluebrother^a simple text format that is
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22:02:28pixelmabluebrother^: sorry, I can't remember reading something about this on UsingGit and first committed it to gerrit which had the real name correctly
22:03:47pixelmaalthough I then pushed directly
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22:15:24bluebrotherspeaking about dates: has there been any talk about DevCon for this year? Especially about when it's supposed to happen?
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22:16:21bluebrotherwould be good to be able doing some time-planning
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22:40:59skx`does anyone have a workaround for this problem?
22:41:59skx`usb mode is enabled by default each time i launch my ipod nano 2g with car adapter attached when i'm to slow to push and hold the play button
22:42:24skx`is there no way to disable usb mode by default?
22:42:50[Saint]hold any key while inserting USB.
22:43:05[Saint]Then it will go into "Charge Only" mode.
22:44:01skx`yes but my car charger is always attached and this would mean i always have to take my ipod in my hands to press and hold a key when launching my car
22:44:26skx`this feels weird to be honest
22:44:35[Saint]launching your car? 0.o
22:44:43skx`starting ;)
22:44:53[Saint]And, yes...this is the only option.
22:45:11skx`a software solution would be great :(
22:45:19skx`i think many are experiencing the same
22:45:44skx`something defined in settings maybe? disable/enable usb mode?
22:46:06[Saint]Patches are welcome.
22:46:32skx`heh :)... i'm more an experience beta patches tester ;)
22:46:33[Saint]Unfortunately, this is the only option other than compiling your own build with USB disabled completely in Rockbox.
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22:47:45skx`is it something straightforward? like commenting something out in the source? i doubt it :(
22:48:45[Saint]Actually, it is.
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22:51:42[Saint]All you would need to do is comment out the set of USB related defines in /rockbox/firmware/export/config/ipodnano2g.h
22:52:59skx`the problem is I will have to reflash with a default rockbox eacht time i want to put some fresh music on the player, right?
22:53:14[Saint]We have dual-boot.
22:53:26fmlBagder: Hello. Have you seen my request re. adding to the gerrit committer group?
22:53:36skx`care to explain dual boot?
22:53:56[Saint]skx`: You could simply boot into the Apple firmware to transfer files.
22:54:16bluebrotherdual boot on the Ipod is the same as dualbooting your PC :)
22:54:31[Saint]Rockbox leaves the original firmware intact.
22:54:41[Saint]So you could still use Apple's Disk Mode.
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22:55:23skx`okay i see... but do i see the whole folder structure while being connected through apple usb mode?
22:55:55skx`thanks [Saint]
22:56:01[Saint]Not a problem.
22:56:02skx`will look into this :)
22:56:10bluebrotherremember that you need to reset the Ipod to leave Apples firmware
22:56:41[Saint]Our fine wiki will assist you in creating a development environment, checking out the sources, and compiling a build.
22:57:00[Saint]And you can always ask for help here, too.
22:57:50skx`thanks :)
22:57:57[Saint]Not a problem.
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23:17:50skx`there seems to be already patches available
23:18:27skx`probably already outdated
23:18:56skx`just wondering why this was not included in the main rockbox port already
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23:41:25[Saint]JdGordon: I was going to it possible that we could attempt to center align builds for a smaller resolution on larger resolution targets as opposed to aligning at 0,0?
23:41:36*[Saint] thinks this would make for a much nicer effect.
23:42:05[Saint]And, assuming it is possible, where do I look to start poking at this?
23:44:26kugeltalking about RaaAoa?
23:48:14*[Saint] nods
23:48:47[Saint]kugel: Are you aware of where I should start poking at this?
23:49:29kugelyes :)
23:51:00[Saint]Do you wanna share? :)
23:53:47[Saint]kugel: ^
23:54:01bluebrother[Saint]: doesn't look like :P
23:54:50[Saint]grumble grumble...stoopid Java...grumble grumble
23:55:10[Saint]Also, thanks.
23:55:32kugelget the resolution from the metrics and calculate the offset for x and y for java_lcd_update/_rect
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23:56:07PoodlemastahJust kidding with you my cat is a really nice watchdog.
23:56:27PoodlemastahUhm, sorry, wrong channel.

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