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07:20:37mirboti think i just bricked my new sansa clip V2
07:20:45mirboteverything installed fine
07:20:51mirbotunplugged it
07:20:58mirbotit updated the firmware
07:21:09mirbotit wont power on at all
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07:24:52[Saint_]Well don't.
07:25:01[Saint_]*done, even.
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07:26:39JdGordonerr. funman ping^ ?
07:27:04JdGordonisnt there a known issue-to-track-down with one of the sansa v2 models?
07:27:57mirbotmight be
07:28:05mirbotthe other clip i flashed was a V1
07:28:13mirbotbut that has a weird issue
07:28:18mirbotOFW or rockbox
07:28:31pixelmaI think it was resolved but not until the release
07:28:45pixelmanot sure though
07:29:06mirbotwont help
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07:29:44mirbotnow that it wont even show up in lsusb
07:29:47mirbotits bricked
07:29:52mirbotpretty good too
07:31:39mirbotanyways i think something was up with this player anyways
07:31:52mirbotit said there was music on it
07:32:10mirbotbut i could not see them in the file manager on neither linux or windowz
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07:33:52pixelmaI believe there are ways to unbrick it but not many people know the process
07:34:22mirboti luckly do
07:34:29mirboti will send it to him
07:34:39mirbothe needs an mp3 player that isnt a psp
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07:36:41pixelmaI don't even know what that means
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08:05:21Mirpixelma: it means if he fixes it he has a free mp3 player
08:05:30Mirif not he has my other clip
08:05:38Mirthat has some unusual problem
08:05:45Mirbut it still works
08:05:55Mireven though its now been run over 4 times
08:06:03Mirnot a single scratch :)
08:06:34Mirother than the tiremark on the forward button of the wheel
08:09:37GodEater_run over *4* times?!
08:09:42[Saint_]Its actually dead easy to recover.
08:09:49[Saint_]But...its up to you.
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08:15:13[Saint_]See! It deserves to live.
08:15:31[Saint_]If several vehicles can't kill it...
08:16:20GodEater_since about 2004 I own 7 different audio players, and I've not so much as dropped one of them, let alone had one run over once. *4* times?!?!? How on earth do people manage it?
08:16:46alexbobpI manage to keep mine from being run over
08:16:50alexbobpbut I drop the shit out of everything
08:16:56alexbobpI love the clip because it doesn't have enough mass to hurt itself ;D
08:18:56[Saint_]Its essentially a Happy Meal toy.
08:19:20alexbobpbest damned happy meal toy I've ever seen
08:19:36alexbobpnow I have a clip zip, and playing the goban on it it so cute...
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08:25:32*[Saint] can't help but find it amusing that Mir is so adament that it, quote: "mirbot> wont help" when the issue in question has indeed been resolved.
08:26:56[Saint]You /probably/ shouldn't shoot down those who know what they're talking about and are simply trying to offer help.
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09:35:34Mir[Saint]: i am pretty sure it shot
09:35:44Mirno voltage no lights nothing
09:35:53Miri am sure there is some jtag method
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09:36:09Mirbut updating wont help if it doesnt show up at all when connected via USB
09:36:45Miralso the one that was run over kept falling out of my pokey
09:37:16CIA-44Commit b069562 in rockbox by Marcin Bukat: (Author: Andrew Ryabinin) rk27xx: lcdif refactoring: make lcdif-rk27xx.c more generic
09:38:00Mirwasnt too funny when it broke my fender on the 3rd trip around and the fender hit my leg causing me to lose balance and fall in front of a moving car going 40
09:38:32Mirpixelma: thanks though for the suggestion
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09:41:16CIA-44b069562 build result: All green
09:45:34Miroh and what would the point of a fix in the next release do me now with a dead clip v2?
09:45:57Mirother than make me more willing to get another :E
09:47:50Mirots not even charging
09:48:01Miroh well :)
09:48:07Mirfun experience!
09:48:13*Mir passes out
09:48:20Mirnight and thanks for the help!
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09:48:37Mirand tips and the note on the future updayte :)
10:17:14[Saint]You're not're just assuming.
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10:18:00[Saint]Unbricking it doesn't involve any specialist hardware, at all.
10:18:29[Saint]it involves "something small and metal" to bridge two pins.
10:19:34[Saint]Were you to search our fine wiki, it could elaborate, but you seem to be convinced you know what you're talking, "Ok, yes, its dead".
10:20:10[Saint]Mir: ^
10:22:00GodEater_easy there tiger
10:23:07[Saint]Oh, I'm perfectly calm. It just bugs me when you try and tell someone somehing and that just. won't. listen.
10:23:18[Saint]*they, even.
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10:26:00wodzamiconn: ping
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10:28:01wodzmortalis: ping
10:28:59mortaliswodz: pong
10:29:22wodzmortalis: Have you tested dualboot from the HEAD?
10:30:43wodzCould you write down general install instructions on the wiki? I am quite short in time nowadays
10:33:12mortalisok, I'll try to do it during this week
10:33:18wodzmortalis: I realized why bootloader worked on my target with cache enabled - In my case I started with cache clean (as DFU runs with cache off) and In your case s2 bl enables cache so you start bl with cache dirty
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11:05:49mortaliswodz: maybe you now why balance is not working on hifiman's? I thought it is because I didn't enable software volume control, but when I enebaled it sw volume worked, balance not.
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11:07:23wodzDunno, I recall some sporadic reports about balance not working. Usually it is handled in codec hw.
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15:39:57bertrikpamaury, can you communicate already with the stfm1000?
15:42:57bertrikquite surprising actually that it appears impossible to find a datasheet for this tuner
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16:34:33shanttuCurrent build reads microsd on my sansaclip+. awesome! thanks
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17:24:03saratogafunman: found the ipod, do you need a cable for it as well?
17:26:59Mir[Saint]: sorry if i annoyed you... i do apologize
17:27:09Miri have a severe tremor
17:27:17Mirthus i cant do the pin trick
17:27:28Miri did the unresponsive trick
17:27:52Mir as i stated because i suck at soldering i will send it to a friend with better skillz than me
17:32:41GodEater_from what I understand soldering is not required
17:33:06Miranyways this friend is getting a Sansa View, E280, 2 Sony S 16GB's and now 2 clips
17:34:15Mirsays soldering skillz needed
17:34:47GodEater_so it does
17:35:00GodEater_I've no idea what [Saint] was on about then
17:35:17saratogai think you don't always have to remove the battery
17:35:27saratogabut i'm not certain
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17:36:14Miri think i erked him with this comment
17:36:17Mir[22:28] <pixelma> I think it was resolved but not until the release
17:36:19Mir[22:28] <pixelma> not sure though
17:36:20Mir[22:29] <mirbot> wont help
17:36:45Mir3.11 doesnt help me now was the only reason i said this infromation wont help
17:36:53Miri think i was misinterpreted
17:37:38Mirthe only wires i have are solid copper core speaker wire with the copper core being around the size of a headphone jack
17:37:51Miri dont think thats small enough for what i need
17:38:16Tornei don't think you need any wire
17:38:25Torneyou need to bea ble to solder to remove the battery
17:38:29Tornebecause it's in the way.
17:38:38Tornebut the actual shorting you can do with anything metal :)
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17:38:49Tornethe soldering is just to take the battery off an dput it back on afterward.
17:38:52MirTorne: then how do you 40 Short-circuit NAND memory chip and induce special recovery mode exactly as described in this forum topic [or direct link to Fugu's post,25248.msg172403.html#msg172403 ] (thanks Fugu!). If you are doing this while running Windows, your device should be recognised as "M200Plus" UNDEF storage USB device with 979.75MB (
17:38:54Mirapprox. 980MB) of unallocated space. Do not format it.*
17:39:02TorneWith any old piece of metal
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17:39:04Tornelike a screwdriver
17:39:05Mirneed wire to short
17:39:32Tornethe pins to short are next to each other
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17:40:31Torneanyway, yeah. the earlier sansas had the pins exposed so no soldering was required, some of the later ones it happens to eb under the battery so you need to unsolder that to get access, but the actual shorting is trivial either way
17:41:55Mirgood to know
17:42:34*Mir still is worried baout his lack of a stead hand
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17:42:57Miri shake and move like a coffee addict
17:43:27Tornewell, unfortunately none of us can reach to do it for you
17:43:41Mirthanks for the information
17:43:54Miri sent it to a friend who will be doing this
17:44:00Mirit will be useful to him
17:44:09Mirits not a big loss for me
17:44:51Mirbecause i have 4 C200 1 E200 a clip+ a H10 2 ZEN V M and now a toshiba gigabear plus a fuze
17:45:08Miri have more mp3 players than i should know what to do with
17:46:11Mirbut i was going to have rockbox on it and send it to an uncle who has a very old Creative mp3 player... the one that uses a AAA battery and plugs in like the Sansa Express
17:46:45Mirthe creative wont work with windows 7
17:47:00Mirdont know why :[
17:52:08Mira picture
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17:54:23Torneanyway, you appear to ahve dealt with this; can you stop rambling on about stuff now? :)
17:55:59saratogafunman: let me know, i'd prefer not to give you the USB cable since then i can't test with the ipod 3g, but if you need it i can of course send it to you
17:56:07saratogadon't want a repeat of the time i sent you a fuze with no cable...
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18:29:25funmansaratoga: i can borrow the cable of my roommate i think she has evem two of them
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19:06:05passstabis the archived build any stabler the current?
19:07:32gevaerts"the archived build"?
19:11:22funmandaily builds i guess. in this case it's just a copy of the current build kept in archives
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19:15:45passstabso there's no reason rbutil offers a choice?
19:18:26Tornewe don't keep the current builds, so the daily builds let you go back and try previous ones
19:18:35Tornethat's what the choice is for, they are not more stable
19:18:38Tornejust kept around longer
19:18:44passstabok thanks
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19:19:05passstabi want to reinstall the BL (long story)
19:19:45passstabbut i get the message "could not open ipod permission denied"
19:19:56funmancheck the filesystem
19:20:39funmanchkdsk or fsck - check google or wiki
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19:33:36passstabtryed to use gparted to do that but it failed
19:34:58passstabuses fat32?
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19:38:34passstabi get the message
19:38:42passstabtoo many clusters
19:39:05passstabfor fat16
19:39:52funmani don't know, but in any way it's not related to rockbox
19:40:59passstaboh i fixed it
19:41:21passstabwrong partition
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20:01:12passstabthe first partition dosn't have a filesystem according to gpart
20:01:40passstabdoes that mean it's corrupt?
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20:15:47passstabi fcsk'd it and still can't reinstall the BL
20:15:48pamauryiriver released the E40, the firmware updater suggests that it's imx233 based and uses zero key ! So porting rockbox shouldn't be hard if someone is motivated
20:16:02pamaury(although the player itself doesn't look too interesting)
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20:42:27passstabahh was just a permissions isseue
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20:53:17wodzpamaury: are you hunting for imx233 players?
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21:50:31[Saint]GodEater: the only reason to remove the battery is to ensure the player is off.
21:51:23[Saint]If you know its off, and not hanging, I believe its unnecessary. I've never done so, at least.
21:58:18sc_I have a car usb charger for my ipod 6g classic 160gb, currently running rockbox. When I connect it to USB, I cannot use it to play music unless I hold a button down and then plug it in. Is there a way to make it so that I don't need to hold a button down to allow playing while charging?
22:00:01sc_ideally, rockbox would be able to determine that I am plugging the ipod into a non-computer device so it shouldn't mount, like the apple firmware.
22:00:09[Saint]Without disabling USB in Rockbox completely, not that I'm aware of, no.
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22:03:06[Saint]And that's not an option here, as you have no OF to fall back to.
22:03:27sc_and OF would not allow me to play my flac
22:06:18skx`im apparently not the only one requesting this usb charging feature
22:06:55skx`it would be the most appreciated rockbox feature ever ;)
22:06:59[Saint]That's correct, but, its not a case of it just not being implemented when it could be.
22:07:25skx`what do you mean?
22:07:29[Saint]Charger detection is voodoo as I understand it.
22:07:31funmansc_: your car is a computer. it's the one mounting it
22:07:34skx`there is no willingness to implement this?
22:07:44skx`as in a NODO as explained on the wiki? :)
22:07:47[Saint]No, that's not it at all.
22:08:03gevaertsWhat exactly is the cause of the problem here? Is the "charger" a host, or did we just not move to the new detection model yet on the classic?
22:08:07*gevaerts can't remember this
22:08:14skx`but it does not require automatic detection
22:08:31skx`a on/off feature in the settings is sufficient :)
22:08:51[Saint]Patches welcome.
22:08:54gevaertsProper detection *is* required :)
22:09:05skx`i guess my audi is some kind of computer ... lol
22:09:52skx`i found many patches on the tracker?
22:09:59skx`probably all outdated
22:10:57gevaertshm, the classic does use USB_DETECT_BY_REQUEST if I read config.h correctly
22:11:06sc_funman: i am not using a port that the computer can intelligently read, I am plugging it into a power outlet via a usb convertor from belkin...
22:11:11gevaertsOh, wait, no it doesn't
22:12:07gevaertssc_: can you compile your own build?
22:12:27sc_i just got into rockbox recently because of emCORE's ability to load it in the 6g classic
22:12:34sc_i have not tried to build, but I am familiar with linux
22:13:03skx`sc_:i'm using the same belkin usb/lighter adapter
22:13:05gevaertsI can do a quick build
22:13:09skx`for my nano 2g
22:13:21skx`omg omg gevaerts :)
22:13:24sc_gevaerts: it would be appreciated
22:13:35sc_skx`: its pretty slick, i like how it takes up no room
22:13:36skx`does each player require a different patch?
22:13:40funmansc_: perhaps charger detection is broken, when i plug my sansa in a dumb charger it works fine (rockbox only charges)
22:13:41gevaertssc_: no guarantees. I just want to see something tested :)
22:14:08sc_sounds good, I can test it no problem
22:14:10skx`gevaerts: are those patches player specific?
22:14:18skx`nano 2g has same issue ;)
22:14:27gevaertsThe new ipods (i.e. classic and nano2g) haven't been moved to the proper detection yet. Most of the other players have
22:14:32skx`reading funman's post - it seems too
22:14:39skx`ok i see
22:15:02funmani can give a try at nano2g when i get saratoga's
22:15:07gevaertsAs far as I can remember (it's been a few months), that's mostly because I couldn't find testers
22:15:22skx`gevaerts: your nickname means in Dutch - a guy willing to deliver
22:15:28skx`deliver my friend ;)
22:16:27funmanskx`: he's sending an ipod nano2g to me
22:16:48skx`good luck
22:17:38gevaertsnano is still building
22:18:13*skx` goes out to his car searching his nano 2g :)
22:18:40sc_excellent, let me download
22:20:03sc_no worries if this breaks rockbox, as the potential to save me 5 minutes everyday is worth it
22:21:26CIA-44Commit 0666298 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Correctly insert build ID.
22:21:28CIA-44Commit cd5ee6f in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Bump version to 1.2.13.
22:21:30CIA-44Commit 7d2c7b8 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Rockbox Utility: add "revision" information back.
22:21:43gevaertsPlease don't forget to test the case where you connect to an actual computer :)
22:23:17wodzIs there particular reason that on PP utilizing mi4 firmware format rolo() can't load OF?
22:24:33CIA-44cd5ee6f build result: All green
22:25:18sc_just tried that case
22:25:24sc_and im not getting it to mount...
22:25:32sc_still shows main screen
22:25:45gevaertsok, not good then
22:25:56[Saint]Ouch...that's annoying.
22:26:09sc_let me try to reboot again
22:26:16*gevaerts checks if he forgot something silly
22:26:33[Saint]Lucky there's DFU mode.
22:26:39sc_now it works
22:26:47sc_when i had it plugged in, while off
22:26:49sc_then turned it on
22:26:52[Saint]Oh, hoorah.
22:26:54gevaertsoh, interesting
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22:28:02sc_hrmmm, i ejected it, then unplugged it and it is still showing the usb cable
22:28:33gevaertsok, so that's clearly not right. At least it works well enough to put a regular build back...
22:28:41[Saint]Wireless USB! :p
22:28:58sc_haha, yea
22:29:20sc_want me to try my car for the hell of it?
22:29:33wodzmy nano2g can't properly exit usb mode in rb
22:29:42wodzI mean in currentish build
22:30:06gevaertsNot really. It's broken enough that we won't learn much from the car
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22:30:28sc_ok, i am going to load the other build, thanks though gevaerts
22:30:28*skx` installing nano 2g build
22:31:19*skx` is flushing storage buffers
22:31:30*skx` is executing
22:31:51*skx` is still executing
22:32:17*skx` is wondering when the executing will be completed
22:33:11[Saint]Its perfectly safe to just hard reset if rolo barfs.
22:34:14skx`whats hard reset? combo?
22:34:45skx`thanks :)
22:35:20skx`ok - it indeed does not get in usb mode when connected to pc
22:35:28skx`it seems also not be charging
22:35:50skx`i will quickly check how it performs in my car... brb
22:36:38funmanwodz: i thought usb didn't work at all ?
22:38:05wodzfunman: It didn't but after unplug rb stays in usb screen
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22:41:06gevaertsfunman: as soon as you get that nano and you get things working, can you have a look at that FIXME in config.h?
22:41:50funman#elif CONFIG_USBOTG == USBOTG_S3C6400X /* FIXME */ && CONFIG_CPU == AS3525v2
22:41:51funman ?
22:42:02funmanwhat's that?
22:42:09gevaertsThat should work for all USBOTG_S3C6400X, not just the AS3525v2 ones
22:42:19gevaertsWe want USB_DETECT_BY_REQUEST everywhere, and it should be a matter of just enabling it
22:42:47gevaertsBut of course if there are other problems with USB now, changing that won't achieve much on its own :)
22:43:08skx`gevaerts: in my car it worked perfectly - usb mode was not enabled and the charging worked also
22:43:18skx`the issue seems only when connected to PC
22:43:33gevaertsskx`: yes, but that's a bit of a blocker, really :)
22:43:38skx`whats normal behavious when rockbox is connected to a pc
22:43:53gevaertsA normal MSC connection
22:44:01[Saint]Well...for the main trunk, that's horribly broken. But for your uses seems fine.
22:44:10skx`that works too
22:44:26[Saint]Just use the OF for USB, or disk mode via emCORE.
22:44:50skx`it just a problem while disconnecting from pc - the usb mode seems not to be stopped while disconnecting the ipod
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22:45:35gevaertsBut it *did* detect the connection properly?
22:45:39skx`nah... i think he's not that far from a perfect solution
22:45:50skx`i will retry again
22:46:10skx`ipod is off and i will now put usb cable in pc
22:46:20skx`nothing happens
22:46:38skx`i push play button and usb mode is automatically enabled
22:46:51skx`thats normal behaviour as far as i know, right?
22:47:34skx`now what's the good way to stop the usb charging mode while ipod is connected? press and hold play button or just disconnecting the cable?
22:48:04skx`i dont have the usb icon in my systray of winxp
22:48:29skx`so disk mode is not enabled, right?
22:48:45skx`i dont see my ipod in explorer
22:48:51[Saint]You need to disable USB mounting prior to connection. It cannot be done after the fact without ejecting or unplugging.
22:49:48skx`i cannot disable the mounting as it does not seems to be mounted right now (now usb connection icon in systray and no ipod shown in explorer
22:49:53[Saint]And Rockbox USB != Disk Mode.
22:50:24skx`nah... then its broken
22:50:40skx`how do i get usb mode back to re-install main build?
22:50:51sc_skx`: try to plug it in
22:50:54sc_while off
22:50:55sc_then turn it on
22:51:22[Saint]Boot the OF, or, boot Disk Mode straight from the emCORE main menu.
22:51:54[Saint]This will get you USB back. Since the two aren't connected.
22:53:08skx`oot Disk Mode straight from the emCORE main menu > how is this done?
22:53:30[Saint]Its in the Tools menu iirc.
22:53:49sc_skx`: i take it you couldn't get it to work even when it was plugged in on a reboot? that worked for me
22:54:07skx`no stress
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22:55:41[Saint]Depending on your emcore version, disk mode is either right on the main menu, or available via the Tools menu, iirc. My Nanos are too far away to check.
22:55:59[Saint]Several kilometers in fact :)
22:56:50sc_the ipod 6th gen classic 160gb has an 850mAh battery correct?
22:57:19[Saint]Not sure, Google will know.
22:57:24skx`it's back to normal build :)
22:57:43skx`damn that apple menu is f*ckin ugly
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22:58:23skx`im glad i tried as Gevaert is not that far from a good fix from my point of view
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22:58:56[Saint]Yes, we constantly try to fix gevaerts ;)
22:59:33skx`keep up the good work guy
22:59:50*gevaerts points out the s at the end of his name
23:00:01skx`rockbox revived my extremely overpriced nano 2g from some years ago
23:02:09skx`it's just unbelievable how the multibillion corporation was not able to implement 'album artist' sorting
23:04:27[Saint]Its not that they weren't able to, its "we decide what you need and that's not it" ;)
23:04:47[Saint]See: "you're holding it wrong" :)
23:07:01skx`is the usb issue called the HID feature?
23:08:48[Saint]No, that's unrelated.
23:09:00[Saint]Well...slightly related.
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23:31:56bluebrotherBagder: can you push new Rockbox Utility releases to the download server?
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23:39:51Bagderbluebrother: done!
23:40:25bluebrotherBagder: thanks!
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23:44:25pamaurywodz (for the logs): no but on anythingbutipod I saw this player so I wondered "hey what is hardware ?", so I looked at the firmware update and tada !
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