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| 01:02:06 | Niteshade | i just installed rockbox to my sansa clip+ and i want to make some programs for it. (Just for the hell of it) Where do i start? |
| 01:03:19 | pamaury | Niteshade: on the wiki probably |
| 01:03:39 | Niteshade | i mean, unless you try to make a graphical program (Which, after the disaster of trying DOOM, i think i'll stick to a text interface) |
| 01:04:07 | pamaury | Niteshade: see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HowtoWritePlugins for example |
| 01:04:18 | Niteshade | do the same rules apply as for a PC, or are there more things i should know? (BTW, my desktop is running ubuntu) |
| 01:04:25 | Niteshade | oh. cool |
| 01:05:06 | pamaury | it's not the same thing but we have a posix-like interface and you can develop it using the simulator before putting it on target |
| 01:05:28 | Niteshade | like, does printf("hello") print hello? |
| 01:05:44 | Niteshade | i mean, what is different? |
| 01:05:58 | Niteshade | nvm i will just rtfn' |
| 01:06:03 | Niteshade | * rtfm |
| 01:06:38 | pamaury | yeah, read the wiki and then ask on irc :) |
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| 01:09:36 | Niteshade | so is there a full simple program i can just see so all these little "snippets" make more sense? |
| 01:12:01 | Niteshade | and is there an emulator for linux so i can test and debug it before i put it on my player? |
| 01:14:40 | funman | the simulator, yes |
| 01:15:11 | Mir | funman: should i just format the fuze? |
| 01:15:21 | funman | Mir: probably, yes |
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| 01:15:38 | Mir | will this kill the rockbox install? |
| 01:15:48 | Niteshade | where do i get this simulator? |
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| 01:16:45 | funman | Niteshade: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rockbox+simulator |
| 01:16:55 | Niteshade | thanks |
| 01:17:23 | Niteshade | oh. hur hur |
| 01:17:29 | Niteshade | google |
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| 01:25:43 | Niteshade | i wonder if i can find it on an apt repository |
| 01:26:12 | gevaerts | Niteshade: if you want to use the simulator to test your own code, you have to build it yourself |
| 01:27:16 | Niteshade | okay, AS SOON AS I FIND THE FUCKING SOURCE!!!!! |
| 01:28:20 | funman | hum is it that hidden? |
| 01:28:52 | Niteshade | not easy to find, but i think that's not diliberate, just third-party (probably) |
| 01:28:53 | funman | Niteshade: 'dev guide' on the left of the site |
| 01:30:14 | Niteshade | just so we're clear, when you say "the site" you mean rockbox.org right? |
| 01:30:23 | Niteshade | brb getting a soda and cig |
| 01:31:47 | Niteshade | back |
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| 01:34:04 | gevaerts | Niteshade: yes, if in doubt it's safe to assume that unspecified websites, wikis and forums here are always the rockbox ones |
| 01:34:24 | Niteshade | oh fuck, it's like ipodlinux all over again |
| 01:34:42 | Niteshade | i am beginning to think that this was a bad idea... |
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| 01:38:42 | Niteshade | all the dev guide is talking about is how to build rockbox. Does this mean whenever i add a plugin i have to rebuild the whole thing? |
| 01:39:42 | funman | no we use make which handles dependencies |
| 01:39:52 | gevaerts | Yes and no. The build system is intelligent enough not to rebuild things that haven't changed |
| 01:40:52 | Niteshade | i was hoping i would just be able to put it in a folder somewhere on the player |
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| 01:52:50 | Niteshade | so by your silence, i assume it's not really that easy? |
| 01:54:11 | gevaerts | I don't really see how building everything is harder than building one plugin would be |
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| 01:56:02 | Niteshade | well considering that the only programs i have written don't have any build system apart from cc blah.c -x c++ -o blah |
| 01:56:50 | Niteshade | plus how do i put it on the actual player? |
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| 01:57:58 | Niteshade | i mean, does the makefile somehow install it to the player? |
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| 01:59:16 | Niteshade | i am not what one would call a "profesional" |
| 01:59:30 | Niteshade | but i can write programs in c++ |
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| 02:04:26 | Niteshade | better at python, but have written several full programs in c++ |
| 02:08:42 | Niteshade | awesome at qbasic, good at python, alright at c++, bad at assemblty |
| 02:08:46 | Niteshade | * assembly |
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| 02:50:31 | Niteshade | shaddap. I can read assembly, but i mean its not like you deal with it a lot, plus you have to know EVERYTHING to do ANYTHING |
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| 02:51:49 | Niteshade | something like every other month i try seriously to learn it by reading an e-book. And within the same day i usually give up |
| 02:52:16 | Niteshade | due to information overload. But collectively through my attempts i think i have picked up a few tricks |
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| 03:00:36 | Niteshade | i suppose i could make something in asm tho actually. I have been compiling programs into assembly (not binary, with -S) and studying them. But stuff like sockets and windows/X i could not do. |
| 03:01:01 | Niteshade | or anything longer than like 20 lines probably |
| 03:03:52 | Niteshade | actually no. All that super-hard memory management and working with arrays isn't for me |
| 03:04:01 | Niteshade | not arrays |
| 03:04:06 | Niteshade | i meant registers |
| 03:09:07 | funman | Niteshade: we try to keep this channel rockbox related only, but feel free to join #rockbox-community to talk about anything else |
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| 03:16:22 | Niteshade | sorry |
| 03:21:02 | jhMikeS | you don't "learn assembly", you learn about registers, flags, opcodes, adressing, etc. you have to "learn assembly" for every architecture. |
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| 04:12:14 | Niteshade | jhMikeS: yes, that is why i never put more effort than casual experimentation into learning assembly. |
| 04:13:12 | rasher | jhMikeS: well, there is a certain way of thinking you need to learn |
| 04:14:00 | Niteshade | well i mean it is good stuff to know. I mean, you can go without knowing it, but knowing, i think, makes one a better programmer |
| 04:14:35 | Niteshade | like how everything in a computer is numbers, it's just how its used that makes it different |
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| 04:16:34 | Niteshade | and the cache. I think i should make a library for C that lets you store stuff in the cache. It could be used to speed up many programs |
| 04:17:02 | Niteshade | allocating some variables in the cache instead of main memory |
| 04:17:53 | Niteshade | oh sorry. This isn't a programming chat. Sorry for going off-topic again |
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| 07:22:00 | [Saint] | Hmmmm... |
| 07:22:31 | [Saint] | Anybody gots some kickin' skillz, yo? |
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| 10:02:26 | Lear | Anyone building for Android using Cygwin? |
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| 10:04:12 | [Saint] | Lear: no one sane... |
| 10:04:19 | [Saint] | ;) |
| 10:04:55 | Lear | Well, I gave it a quick try, but I didn't come very far... |
| 10:05:47 | [Saint] | thats because you picked a VERY obscure OS |
| 10:06:05 | [Saint] | try 'real' linux. |
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| 10:08:16 | Lear | Seems like the NDK compiler doesn't like Cygwin paths... |
| 10:10:07 | [Saint] | why cygwin, may I ask? |
| 10:10:43 | [Saint] | a virtual machine will be WAY fastr. |
| 10:10:47 | Lear | You mean version, or what? 1.5 is really old now, so 1.7. |
| 10:11:01 | [Saint] | ....and, it'll work too. |
| 10:11:07 | Lear | But it is nicer to work in the "native" environment... |
| 10:11:56 | [Saint] | no...i meant "why cygwin, period?" |
| 10:12:24 | Lear | Ah, read that as "which Cygwin", not why. :) |
| 10:12:36 | [Saint] | use a VM, save yourself the grief. |
| 10:13:21 | Lear | I started out with Cygwin, and that has worked well enough so far. A VM wasn't really an option when I started. |
| 10:14:11 | [Saint] | i assure you it was. unless you started ~10 years ago. |
| 10:15:15 | Lear | Which is what I did. First contributions where sometime in 2002... |
| 10:15:53 | [Saint] | and youve used cygwin since? |
| 10:16:07 | [Saint] | ....poor guy. |
| 10:17:12 | [Saint] | you could setup a vm in the time it takes a compile to finish using cygwin ;) |
| 10:18:43 | Lear | No, it isn't *that* slow... |
| 10:19:32 | [Saint] | it really is... |
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| 10:24:00 | bluebrother | Lear: I tried it some time ago. I even have some patch floating around to fix some issue with configure IIRC |
| 10:24:21 | bluebrother | however, I gave up before everything worked. |
| 10:24:56 | Lear | Yes, I got past configure. |
| 10:25:12 | bluebrother | then things break :) |
| 10:25:31 | bluebrother | at least that's pretty much where I stopped −− building on Linux is simply way easier and faster |
| 10:26:39 | [Saint] | amen...and, i was a cygwin advocate, |
| 10:27:24 | bluebrother | either way, if you are bound to using Cygwin you have to fix things −− I'm pretty sure nobody fixed that, and nobody cared (until now) |
| 10:28:19 | [Saint] | someone cared...but that guy moved to linux ;) |
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| 10:29:21 | bluebrother | someone? As in you? |
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| 10:30:00 | bertrik | is there a way to check a rockbox translation manually? (other than through themes.rockbox.org) |
| 10:30:28 | bertrik | I mean other than translate.rockbox.org |
| 10:30:36 | [Saint] | nah...the guy that dropped the cygwin/android patch(es) on fs |
| 10:30:37 | bluebrother | as in use it in a sim? |
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| 10:43:42 | * | bertrik doesn't really know what to do about fs#12610 |
| 10:43:44 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12610 Clip+ Ticking Noise Fixed in Radio (patches, unconfirmed) |
| 10:44:07 | bertrik | apparently the hardware design of this tuner is just very sensitive to interference |
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| 10:46:46 | bertrik | my best chance so far is that we disable the RSSI feature for the RDA5802 tuner and avoid polling the tuner by using the dedicated stereo-indicator line (if that's even connected) |
| 10:50:38 | kugel | perhaps polling at a lower rate would help? |
| 10:53:34 | bertrik | hm that would still causes interference, but at a lower rate I guess :) |
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| 10:58:17 | amiconn | I guess readout uses i2c? Reading slower would help too, I think |
| 10:58:31 | bertrik | amiconn, you mean slowing the i2c bus speed? |
| 10:58:41 | amiconn | Slower as in lowering the i2c transfer speed |
| 10:59:27 | amiconn | The iriver remote anti-ticking measures work in a similar way |
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| 11:00:45 | amiconn | Either lower the i2c clock, or introduce pauses between the bytes |
| 11:02:41 | bertrik | I'll try that, say reduce the frequency by 10 or so |
| 11:02:58 | bertrik | It's a bit-banged i2c implementation, so I don't know the i2c speed exactly |
| 11:03:48 | bertrik | I'm also still wondering if there's perhaps a bug in the i2c implementation, causing brief short-cuts on the bus |
| 11:06:52 | amiconn | A bit-bang driver has additional options for lowering interference (spread spectrum method) |
| 11:08:45 | bertrik | lowering the i2c bus speed indeed seems to help |
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| 11:09:38 | bertrik | it's a bit tricky to determine the difference, the noticeability of the ticking depends on signal strength and the material played |
| 11:10:15 | * | amiconn wonders why those newer SoCs still need bit-banged i2c |
| 11:10:58 | bertrik | I think it's just unfortunate design decisions |
| 11:11:44 | bertrik | there is a hardware i2c bus with the analog codec on it, but somehow the radio has its own i2c bus |
| 11:11:52 | bertrik | (and addresses are non-conflicting) |
| 11:18:57 | bertrik | amiconn, how would you implement spread spectrum? and has this been used in rockbox before? |
| 11:21:35 | bertrik | like, add "random" time to the already existing delays? |
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| 12:33:30 | pamaury | bertrik: perhaps it's related to some interference |
| 12:34:10 | pamaury | some radios chips don't like i2c bus action while tuning for example |
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| 12:35:02 | bertrik | pamaury, yes, it's most likely interference from the i2c activity |
| 12:35:39 | bertrik | the display also produces interference, but that goes away after the "backlight" timeout |
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| 12:37:28 | AlexP | Is it known that peakmeters don't work in a sbs? |
| 12:39:42 | bertrik | pamaury, regarding the use of gmtime/mktime in RTC drivers, I want to wait until the end of freeze, and then also do each driver separately instead of doing them all at once |
| 12:41:27 | bertrik | jhMikeS might have some ideas to make gmtime smarter/faster |
| 12:43:14 | pamaury | ok |
| 12:43:15 | AlexP | gevaerts: I don't get skinned lists at all, the description on the wiki is hugely confusing IMO |
| 12:43:31 | gevaerts | AlexP: basically you mark a viewport (or a bunch of them with shared label) with %Lb. That viewport will be drawn several times with shifted x and y coordinates, once for each item the list has to draw |
| 12:43:48 | AlexP | How do you specifiy the coordinates? |
| 12:44:03 | AlexP | i.e. the original ones and how they shift? |
| 12:45:02 | gevaerts | The %Lb width and height tell the system how big your items will be |
| 12:45:15 | AlexP | Each line, or image, or whatever? |
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| 12:45:42 | gevaerts | Then the system adds the %Vi x and y to your list item viewport x and y and draws it as the first item |
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| 12:46:10 | gevaerts | Then the system adds the %Vi x and y to your list item viewport x and y, and adds the %Lb height to y, and draws it as the second item |
| 12:46:16 | gevaerts | (this is actually a loop :) |
| 12:46:48 | AlexP | And it does this until it runs out of space in the %Vi? |
| 12:46:52 | gevaerts | yes |
| 12:47:02 | gevaerts | The same goes for x if you enable tiling |
| 12:47:43 | AlexP | OK, I think |
| 12:48:42 | [Saint] | AlexP: youre not alone ;) |
| 12:48:44 | AlexP | And current item refers to the item being drawn in that viewport, i.e. the second time around %LT will give you the text for the second item in the list? |
| 12:48:45 | gevaerts | So basically the viewport coordinates for viewport items are drawn relatively to the list item with (0,0) as their top left hand corner |
| 12:48:53 | gevaerts | yes |
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| 12:49:24 | AlexP | gevaerts: So what about if for the main menu you want a small ui viewport area, but a bigger one for e.g. the file list? |
| 12:50:06 | [Saint] | its a hugely convoluted system, good for very few (basically just "fancy, weird lists) things. |
| 12:50:11 | AlexP | I'm going to have to have a play and if I get it try to write a better description :) |
| 12:50:22 | gevaerts | Then you'll need to make several labeled %Vi() viewports and conditionally (with %cs) pick one using %VI |
| 12:50:27 | AlexP | As I spent ages yesterday, and just couldn't make sense of it |
| 12:50:29 | [Saint] | good luck! |
| 12:50:36 | AlexP | gevaerts: right |
| 12:50:37 | gevaerts | [Saint]: it's not *that* convoluted! |
| 12:50:42 | [Saint] | i gave up... |
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| 12:50:54 | AlexP | It does make a bit more sense now, but what gevaerts has just described isn't on the wiki :) |
| 12:51:01 | AlexP | Or not in an understandable way :) |
| 12:51:12 | gevaerts | AlexP: *don't* look at the Wavy theme to try to understand it :) |
| 12:51:22 | AlexP | OK, I won't :) |
| 12:51:41 | AlexP | gevaerts: Follow up, do you know anything about peak meters not working in a sbs? |
| 12:52:15 | gevaerts | no. I know they work on a wps, but I never tried on a sbs |
| 12:52:22 | AlexP | I have :) |
| 12:52:28 | AlexP | And they don't :) |
| 12:53:04 | gevaerts | Maybe (I have no idea, just a vague guess...) the sbs doesn't do fast refresh tags? |
| 12:53:17 | AlexP | Ah, possible |
| 12:53:23 | AlexP | That'd be annoying |
| 12:53:39 | AlexP | But heh |
| 12:54:18 | [Saint] | I believe that's deliberate. |
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| 12:54:36 | [Saint] | or...."not-implemented" rather than deliberate. |
| 12:54:49 | [Saint] | only the wps refreshes fast enough for them to be useful. |
| 12:54:52 | gevaerts | AlexP: there's a good chance I think that nano2g USB won't be release-ready within a week (funman wants to look into it and he expects it not to take too long to fix, but as far as I know no attempts at getting a nano2 to him have succeeded yet) |
| 12:54:56 | [Saint] | but, that may not be the case now. |
| 12:55:22 | gevaerts | So do we extend the freeze, or do we branch as planned and then if needed extend the branch time? |
| 12:55:30 | [Saint] | fwiw, there's other crazy things you can't do in the sbs too...like seeking. |
| 12:55:35 | [Saint] | so it may just be oversight. |
| 12:55:44 | [Saint] | but I believe its refresh rate related. |
| 12:57:38 | AlexP | gevaerts: Is that the only blocker? |
| 12:58:23 | gevaerts | It's the only one I can think of right now. We should go over the tracker to make sure |
| 12:58:56 | AlexP | hmmm, did we do anything about translations too? |
| 12:59:09 | gevaerts | No. we have a problem there |
| 12:59:24 | AlexP | oh, with the site? |
| 12:59:41 | gevaerts | I went over the translations on FS, and about all of them have discussions and comments about "please change X" |
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| 13:00:00 | gevaerts | And the site hasn't moved to git yet, so it's two months out of date |
| 13:00:35 | AlexP | ah |
| 13:00:36 | bertrik_ | is there a way to manually check the completeness of a translation? |
| 13:00:37 | AlexP | OK |
| 13:01:36 | gevaerts | What I think the best approach is is to launch a call for translations as soon as it's fixed and release 3.11.1 soon after that |
| 13:01:48 | AlexP | OK |
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| 13:02:13 | AlexP | So, we delay for translations and nano 2g usb, the decision is to whether to branch or not |
| 13:02:48 | gevaerts | Well, I wouldn't delay for translations. Missing them is no fun, but it's not a blocker IMO |
| 13:02:56 | AlexP | On one hand it becomes harder to sync if we branch, but if we do it frees up trunk and are there going to be that many bug fixes in the next week or two? |
| 13:03:07 | AlexP | Ah, I missed your .1 |
| 13:03:10 | gevaerts | The nano2g needing a hard reset most of the time after (or before) a USB connection is |
| 13:03:24 | AlexP | OK, depends how long nano2g takes |
| 13:04:22 | gevaerts | nano2g is likely to be an isolated fix in an area noone else is touching, so it should be a trivial merge |
| 13:04:34 | AlexP | yep |
| 13:04:56 | gevaerts | So that can be easily done after we release the wild animals on to master again |
| 13:05:22 | AlexP | right, right, git = master :) |
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| 13:05:46 | gevaerts | Yes, git is actually a fork of svn where they just renamed everything :) |
| 13:06:17 | AlexP | It might be a good idea to grab Torne for when we branch :) |
| 13:06:32 | gevaerts | Definitely. I have no idea how to do it on my own! |
| 13:06:40 | AlexP | Me neither |
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| 13:18:43 | kugel | AlexP: the sbs has a limited update rate. peakmeter needs a faster one |
| 13:18:57 | kugel | so yes, it's a known issue and intended |
| 13:19:10 | AlexP | kugel: I take it that it is limited for a reason? |
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| 13:20:04 | wodz | Zagor, Bagder: can you update frontpage please? |
| 13:22:38 | kugel | git br v3.11 && git push origin v3.11? |
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| 13:23:39 | kugel | AlexP: yes, to not cripple list drawing with complicated SBSes |
| 13:23:46 | wodz | I made interesting discovery yesterday. It is possible to run ARM core and AHB with the same frequency on rk27xx. The trick is that datasheet doesn't mention how the base clock is derived from pll. If you select arm:ahb = 1:1 it takes both arm and ahb clock from pll/2 if you select arm:ahb = 2:1 it takes arm from pll directly and ahb from pll/2 |
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| 13:24:14 | AlexP | kugel: OK, a shame but if that's the way it is, then c'est la vie :) |
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| 13:25:23 | kugel | I think browsing lists would be no fun with a peakmeter keeping the system busy |
| 13:25:32 | AlexP | gevaerts: So I have my %Vi and %Lb, what else do I need? |
| 13:25:45 | AlexP | kugel: I believe you :) |
| 13:25:53 | kugel | but things can be changed if you want it hard enough, it's an artificual limited |
| 13:25:59 | kugel | -ed |
| 13:26:08 | AlexP | It is a shame that it isn't doable, but if it kills lists then fair enough :) |
| 13:26:51 | gevaerts | AlexP: well, one (or more if you feel like it) viewport with the label you tell %Lb to use |
| 13:27:28 | gevaerts | Peakmeters also kill battery |
| 13:27:32 | AlexP | ah right, I got confused again :) |
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| 13:38:07 | bluebrother | wodz: for making the hd300 show up in Rockbox Utility the status=disabled line needs to get removed from rbutil.ini |
| 13:38:36 | bluebrother | though if installation is working with Rockbox Utility I don't see why that hasn't been done before −− it's not related to a target being marked as stable |
| 13:38:59 | bluebrother | but people can always use the "show disabled target" option to use it. |
| 13:39:52 | wodz | bluebrother: should I change this line or you will do it? |
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| 13:41:01 | bluebrother | wodz: I don't care −− I can do that if you want to. |
| 13:43:59 | wodz | bluebrother: If you could would be great. I can't commit right now. |
| 13:44:23 | bluebrother | ok, will do that |
| 13:44:47 | bluebrother | is that for the hd300 only or also the hd200? |
| 13:45:02 | wodz | HD300 |
| 13:45:09 | bluebrother | ok |
| 13:45:30 | wodz | hd200 has incomplete manual and is generally less tested as my unit has broken usb bridge |
| 13:45:33 | bluebrother | any reason why the hd200 is disabled in Rockbox Utility? If installation is working fine then there is no reason to keep it disabled |
| 13:45:38 | bluebrother | ok. |
| 13:45:56 | bluebrother | then I'll enable the hd200 as well. The port status is retrieved from the server, so it's different |
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| 14:19:35 | amiconn | bertrik: Yes, essentially it means varying the delays randomly. You don't need high quality randomness, simple linear congruency should do |
| 14:20:20 | amiconn | It may or may not work better than just lowering the clock, or pausing between bytes. This needs experimentation |
| 14:22:28 | amiconn | I tried spread spectrum when trying to improve the iriver remote anti-ticking measures. While the first implementation did reduce the ticking, it lowered the update speed too much. After all it's a tradeoff |
| 14:24:30 | amiconn | Err, that's probably slightly confusing. Spread spectrum was not the first implementation. It's one of the alternatives I tried for the too slow first implementation. It turned out that introducing pauses between bytes worked better than that |
| 14:29:09 | bertrik | ok thanks, reducing the i2c bus speed already seems to help a lot |
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| 14:38:46 | AlexP | gevaerts: If I want two viewports to be displayed for each item but each with different sizes, do I have two %Lb with different labels? |
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| 14:48:04 | gevaerts | AlexP: no, just one Lb, and the same label on all viewports |
| 14:48:18 | AlexP | gevaerts: But the Lb specifies the size, no? |
| 14:48:50 | AlexP | Or do I set the Lb width/height to be the same as my largest viewport? |
| 14:49:57 | gevaerts | no, the Lb specifies the used area, not the size of individual viewports |
| 14:50:18 | AlexP | So the total that is used by all the viewports I specify? |
| 14:51:05 | AlexP | So e.g. I want one that is 100px high, then a gap of 20px, then another that is 40px high I set Lb height to be 160px? |
| 14:51:17 | gevaerts | yes |
| 14:51:26 | AlexP | right, OK :) |
| 14:52:32 | gevaerts | You can specify more, and you'll get gaps |
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| 15:11:58 | AlexP | aha, the first bit is working! |
| 15:14:18 | gevaerts | Yay! :) |
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| 15:16:55 | Lear | Hm, is VirtualBox not a good "Rockbox VM"? I can't seem to build much faster than in Cygwin with it... (Haven't tested all possible core counts for the VM; 2 was much faster than 4 at least.) |
| 15:19:52 | AlexP | and then next bit! |
| 15:20:22 | AlexP | I don't suppose the skin engine can scale images? If I want different sizes I guess I need to provide them all myself? |
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| 15:21:19 | [Saint] | it can, for aa, but thats all. |
| 15:21:25 | gevaerts | AlexP: when you're revising the documentation for this, maybe you can clarify the viewport documentation too? I don't think the fact that viewports can share a label and then be displayed by a single %Vd or %Lb call is very clear |
| 15:21:32 | AlexP | well yeah, I was excluding aa |
| 15:21:48 | AlexP | gevaerts: I need to finish understanding it first :) |
| 15:21:52 | AlexP | But yeah :) |
| 15:23:04 | [Saint] | pfffffft! since when do people understand things before writing docs? |
| 15:23:12 | [Saint] | ...shameful. |
| 15:23:15 | [Saint] | ;) |
| 15:24:45 | TheLemonMan | hrm i have the svn repo with lots of changes done, how can i convert it to git ? |
| 15:25:23 | [Saint] | diff, checkout, apply diff? |
| 15:26:34 | TheLemonMan | i expect lots of manual merging :< |
| 15:28:12 | [Saint] | theres no "git −−make_svn_repo_git_repo" unfortunately. |
| 15:31:26 | TheLemonMan | i'd blame the rb team for having used svn till now |
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| 15:33:43 | kugel | TheLemonMan: checkout the same commit in git which your svn copy is at. then it applies cleanly and you can use git to update to a recent version |
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| 15:34:53 | kugel | "git log −−grep=@NNNNN −−oneline" gives you the corresponding git commit |
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| 15:36:40 | * | [Saint] forgot to mention that, |
| 15:36:48 | [Saint] | thanks kugel |
| 15:40:17 | TheLemonMan | the server doesnt look that fast D: |
| 15:40:59 | [Saint] | initial checkout is kinda slow. |
| 15:41:14 | [Saint] | but still faster than svn. |
| 15:41:44 | gevaerts | TheLemonMan: no manual merging needed if you're clever |
| 15:41:54 | gevaerts | Ah, kugel already said that :) |
| 15:46:25 | lebellium | JdGordon: do you already have some time for my bug or are you still busy? :) |
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| 16:12:06 | AlexP | It seems there is a bit of a bug with skinned lists - I have a skinned main menu only, and if I got into a submenu (or files or whatever) and let a long line strat scrolling, when I come back out into the main menu the scrolling line remains overlaid on the skinned main menu |
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| 16:12:15 | AlexP | It doesn't happen if the line doesn't scroll |
| 16:18:00 | kugel | i think it's not limited to skinned lists. I've had this happen in normal cabbiev2 too, but not easy to reproduce |
| 16:18:30 | AlexP | ah, I've not seem it before but I get it everytime now |
| 16:18:42 | AlexP | Let me go back to cabbie and see |
| 16:19:07 | kugel | in cabbie it happens when going from wps to main menu (IF it happens) |
| 16:19:29 | kugel | most of the time there's no problem at all |
| 16:19:33 | AlexP | ah, here it is litterally pop into a submenu and back |
| 16:19:39 | AlexP | Or to files or whatever |
| 16:19:43 | AlexP | And I get it everytime |
| 16:20:14 | AlexP | It might well be how this sbs is written, as it is the result of me trying to work out skinned lists |
| 16:20:27 | AlexP | So I might have been supposed to do it another way |
| 16:20:36 | AlexP | But either way I don't think it should happen |
| 16:28:03 | kugel | i agree |
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| 17:12:33 | AlexP | gevaerts: Thanks for the help earlier, I think I got the hang of it |
| 17:13:22 | AlexP | gevaerts: Now this is not held up as an example of great design, but of me playing with skinned lists (little video of it): http://www.sendspace.com/file/koshqu :) |
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| 17:19:15 | kugel | AlexP: awesome |
| 17:19:27 | AlexP | hehe :) |
| 17:20:04 | kugel | you need prettier images, though (anti-aliased) |
| 17:20:06 | kugel | :p |
| 17:20:23 | kugel | but that isn't rockbox anyway is it? ;) |
| 17:20:34 | AlexP | yeah, those are all jaggedy and that :) |
| 17:21:53 | kugel | you can fix that with transparent images |
| 17:22:20 | AlexP | proper transparency, not the pink thing? |
| 17:22:54 | kugel | yea |
| 17:22:58 | AlexP | oh, nice |
| 17:23:06 | AlexP | I didn't know we supported that :) |
| 17:24:07 | kugel | that was my suspicion ;) |
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| 17:45:15 | AlexP | kugel: There you go: http://www.sendspace.com/file/48kab7 :) |
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| 17:46:56 | kugel | sweet |
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| 17:51:59 | lebellium | dfkt: I'm going to use your 7px icons (I just modified a bit the borders) for the next version of my theme. How am I supposed to give you credits? |
| 17:52:30 | dfkt | by baking me a cake? :) |
| 17:52:47 | lebellium | ahaha :) |
| 17:53:03 | lebellium | if you knew how bad cooker I am.... |
| 17:53:03 | * | kugel would prefer a beer |
| 17:53:08 | dfkt | i saw your post in the thread - you can have my PSD files with separate layers of the icons - you just have to resize them and make the black matte white |
| 17:53:19 | dfkt | that is, if you use photoshop |
| 17:53:29 | kugel | gimp can handle psd |
| 17:53:36 | lebellium | actually I edited your bmp in photoshop and that works fine too :) |
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| 17:54:10 | dfkt | ah ok... the matte is just a lazy trick to bypass alpha transparency tweaks (which would take a *lot* of work after resizing) |
| 17:54:37 | lebellium | yes I know.... |
| 17:55:04 | lebellium | that's why the easiest for me is to edit your bmp and just make the borders less dark sometimes |
| 17:55:10 | dfkt | yeh |
| 17:55:49 | kugel | whhich alpha transparency tweaks? |
| 17:56:17 | dfkt | resizing messes up the borders, ff00ff becoimes jagged and ugly |
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| 17:56:31 | lebellium | I noticed that too :D |
| 17:56:43 | * | kugel repeats that this isn't necessary anymore as rockbox supports true alpha transparency now :) |
| 17:57:00 | lebellium | he reworked his icons before I guess |
| 17:57:21 | dfkt | yeh, but that's a lot of work. the source icons are single layer bmps, with ff00ff background, not transparency |
| 17:57:56 | dfkt | one could probably collect the original icons and rebuild the image strip with real transparency... but matting them was less work ;) |
| 17:58:17 | kugel | in gimp it's easy to convert ff00ff to transparency. then you can scale just fine |
| 17:58:43 | lebellium | oh and actually I never understood when are the viewers icons used?! |
| 17:58:57 | kugel | "open with..." menu |
| 17:58:58 | dfkt | i did remove ff00ff in photoshop, making it transparent, but the borders still were jagged |
| 17:59:31 | dfkt | i had to copy the free transparent icon layer and put a layer with the same borders, but black filling under them to look good |
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| 18:00:02 | dfkt | i.e. to remove all purple/magenta traces from the borders |
| 18:00:17 | kugel | that is after scaling? |
| 18:00:23 | dfkt | yes |
| 18:00:46 | kugel | I'm suggesting to ff00ff->transparency *before* scaling |
| 18:01:06 | dfkt | trust me, i tried a lot of approaches, none were clean ;) |
| 18:02:03 | kugel | I'm just letting you know that you can stop messing with ff00ff now as rockbox supports true transparency with alpha channel now :) |
| 18:02:52 | dfkt | which goes back to what i said above - working with a source that is a single layer bmp with ff00ff is not as convenient as working on the real transparent deal |
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| 18:03:00 | dfkt | it's a cheap hack, but it works well for one backdrop color - maybe some day i hunt down the single png/svg/ico files and make it properly |
| 18:03:21 | dfkt | but since all my themes will only ever have black backgrounds, i'm fine with what i have ;) |
| 18:06:53 | bertrik | pamaury, this is what I intend the imx233 rtc driver to look like once gmtime is in: http://pastebin.com/v5JenQXW |
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| 18:20:05 | bluebrother^ | ok, anyone interested in trying rpms for Fedora for our compilers? |
| 18:20:25 | bluebrother^ | in case, there's arm-elf-eabi, mips-elf and m68k-elf available: /usr/include/bits/fcntl2.h:51:24: error: call to '__open_missing_mode' declared with attribute error: open with O_CREAT in second argument needs 3 arguments |
| 18:20:35 | bluebrother^ | ah crap, wrong line pasted |
| 18:20:39 | bluebrother^ | http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/gcc/ |
| 18:20:55 | bluebrother^ | you can use that as yum repo |
| 18:21:03 | bluebrother^ | sh-elf is currently broken. |
| 18:21:43 | bluebrother^ | there's also no meta package for pulling all other packages required for building Rockbox (yet) |
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| 18:22:03 | bluebrother^ | packages should work on F14 and up, though they are built on F14 |
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| 18:41:02 | AlexP | I haven't been able to build sh for a long time |
| 18:41:15 | AlexP | Actually, it is binutils IIRC |
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| 20:02:23 | lebellium | dfkt: was easy but looong. I'm finally done with editing your icons :) |
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| 21:11:29 | saratoga | Lear: (for the logs) rather then cygwin I strongly recommend the VBox image I put on the development guide |
| 21:11:42 | saratoga | on windows you can SMB mount it and then SSH into it from the windows command line |
| 21:12:06 | saratoga | its thus exactly like running cygwin (can even use windows programming tools) but much, much faster and easier to setup |
| 21:12:36 | saratoga | plus its ubuntu based so you won't run into weird compatibility issues as often as with cygwin |
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| 21:41:13 | OzzieJacks | Would someone mind looking over/merging a couple of commits for me http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/177 , http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/171 . |
| 21:44:46 | gevaerts | OzzieJacks: I'd say that at least 171 shouldn't go in during the feature freeze. That's scheduled to end sometime later today though, so it's not a major wait |
| 21:46:28 | gevaerts | Torne: do you have some time today to help with branching? |
| 21:48:58 | funman | gevaerts: i thought branching was dead easy |
| 21:49:21 | gevaerts | funman: it probably is |
| 21:51:02 | dfkt | lebellium, i just downloaded the ubuntu tango icons (yay for 7zip being able to unpack .deb archives on windows) - i will have a look at them, collecting all the relevant ones for rockbox |
| 21:53:23 | funman | gevaerts: which part of branching do you need help with? |
| 21:53:43 | gevaerts | funman: the bit where I have to make sure gerrit handles everything right |
| 21:58:07 | funman | for future patches which target only a branch and not master, right? |
| 21:58:33 | gevaerts | For 3.11 |
| 21:58:50 | funman | http://gerrit.googlecode.com/svn/documentation/2.1/project-setup.html#registering_additional_branches |
| 21:59:28 | funman | it seems we must first create branches in git, and then if we want add them to gerrit UI |
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| 22:01:16 | * | gevaerts nods |
| 22:01:40 | gevaerts | I'd still like to have Torne verify every step before I mess things up though |
| 22:02:23 | funman | good idea |
| 22:02:39 | funman | btw i'm watching my mailbox for the nano2g, i hope it will come tomorrow |
| 22:03:23 | gevaerts | We won't release until that's fixed, but we shouldn't postpone branching for it I think |
| 22:03:42 | gevaerts | People will get impatient and cold if the freeze lasts too long |
| 22:04:44 | funman | yeah it doesn't prevent branching |
| 22:05:17 | gevaerts | It should be an easy merge later on |
| 22:08:00 | OzzieJacks | gevaerts: Your probably right about 171 though it only affects touch enabled targets and then only if someone explicitly puts that option in their skin so the risk should be low. 177 does contain fixes. |
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| 22:09:56 | gevaerts | OzzieJacks: I agree about 177, but I think it should be reviewed by someone who actually looked at related code, i.e. not me :) |
| 22:10:58 | CIA-44 | Commit 727e8aa in rockbox by Rafaël Carré: (Author: Bertrik Sikken) Introduce gmtime.c and use it in the AS3514 RTC driver |
| 22:11:01 | funman | grr |
| 22:11:10 | funman | i didn't want to submit the code, only my comments |
| 22:12:10 | funman | especially if i say "but someone else must approve", gerrit. |
| 22:12:28 | * | funman 's still confused by the interface |
| 22:12:51 | gevaerts | So you can review a patch as -2 and push it at the same time? Yes, that's interesting... |
| 22:13:16 | lebellium | dfkt: nice idea :) |
| 22:14:01 | gevaerts | dfkt: you know about the icons/create-icons-from-tango.pl script? |
| 22:14:15 | CIA-44 | 727e8aa build result: All green |
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| 22:16:38 | funman | tm->tm_wday = ((seconds % WEEK_SECONDS) / DAY_SECONDS + 4) % 7; |
| 22:16:40 | OzzieJacks | dfkt: what program do you use on windows to work with icons? |
| 22:16:54 | funman | seconds % WEEK_SECONDS is not needed |
| 22:16:54 | gevaerts | funman: jhMikeS had already +2d it, maybe that was enough? |
| 22:17:10 | funman | gevaerts: yes, i just didn't want to take the blame for it :P |
| 22:17:27 | dfkt | gevaerts, no, didn't know about that - very useful, thanks! |
| 22:17:40 | dfkt | OzzieJacks, photoshop |
| 22:18:03 | funman | but i don't know if the division will run faster if we used % before |
| 22:19:26 | bertrik | I've been nearly confused a few time into thinking that "submit" in gerrit means to submit a comment |
| 22:19:56 | CIA-44 | Commit d2aafd1 in rockbox by Rafaël Carré: gmtime: reduce array size: days in month fit in 8 bits |
| 22:20:19 | gevaerts | funman: I assume those changes are release-safe? |
| 22:21:32 | funman | they don't really matter so we don't need them either |
| 22:22:12 | funman | hum not true, there's some green delta but not for ATA targets though |
| 22:22:52 | funman | and it is that kind of question that i wanted to avoid by not 'submitting' it myself :) |
| 22:23:22 | funman | bertrik: what do you think ? |
| 22:23:24 | gevaerts | I mean, we're in a freeze, so I'd like to minimise changes |
| 22:23:52 | gevaerts | No point in reverting low-risk changes though |
| 22:24:11 | funman | you could also branch before this commit |
| 22:24:12 | bertrik | the green delta is expected, because some functionality has now been deduplicated |
| 22:24:23 | gevaerts | We could do that, yes |
| 22:24:50 | funman | bertrik: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/178/ |
| 22:25:42 | * | bluebrother^ wonders if it would make sense to have the bot recognize gerrit urls as well |
| 22:29:10 | saratoga | i think it would be nice |
| 22:29:20 | saratoga | was going to suggest it actually but was afraid someone might ask me to do it |
| 22:31:55 | bertrik | gevaerts, funman, I wanted to wait with that commit until freeze was over, I think it's reasonably safe (I tested it on three sansas) but didn't want to take the chance |
| 22:33:13 | bertrik | I prefer to revert the last two commits |
| 22:33:39 | bluebrother^ | why not simply branch before that commit? |
| 22:35:06 | gevaerts | If we branch soon, yes, that's the best option |
| 22:35:18 | gevaerts | If not I'd say we revert on the branch |
| 22:35:25 | gevaerts | (if needed) |
| 22:35:59 | funman | i'd prefer to branch before and cherry-pick any required changes from master |
| 22:36:35 | gevaerts | Yes, you're right. That's probably the best option |
| 22:36:49 | funman | when was freeze announced? |
| 22:37:00 | gevaerts | A week ago |
| 22:37:14 | gevaerts | Well, a week and 13 minutes |
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| 22:37:34 | jhMikeS | then it's over since you said the freeze would be a week |
| 22:37:56 | gevaerts | It wasn't over yet when funman accidentally clicked on submit! |
| 22:38:10 | gevaerts | It still had 13 minutes to go then :) |
| 22:38:11 | jhMikeS | make an example of him |
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| 23:20:57 | JdGordon | lebellium: this evening I'll have time to look at it |
| 23:22:41 | [Saint] | Oooop, you've done it now! |
| 23:24:12 | funman | gevaerts: btw for the branch name, git branch -r shows the existing names for older releases branches |
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| 23:26:08 | evilnick | [Saint]: Just 'cause it's easier to tell you here: the latest theme has no popups when clicking on the album-art |
| 23:26:21 | evilnick | Volume works as it did before |
| 23:26:27 | saratoga | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,33700 |
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| 23:26:35 | saratoga | am i just not remembering how fuze+ patching works? |
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| 23:26:52 | [Saint] | Well...that's a big pile of bums. |
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| 23:32:39 | [Saint] | what the shit? why? |
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| 23:35:38 | Torne | gevaerts: hi |
| 23:35:48 | * | gevaerts jumps |
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| 23:37:04 | [Saint] | evilnick: 480x800 I assuem? |
| 23:37:10 | [Saint] | * assume too |
| 23:37:14 | gevaerts | Torne: I'd like to branch v3.11 based on 3448f5b6ad25f59e01ece347cb06e09652915e30. What procedure should I follow? |
| 23:37:15 | evilnick | Yes, that's the one |
| 23:37:22 | [Saint] | Hmmmm... |
| 23:37:37 | [Saint] | I see no good reason (none at all, in fact) why this should be so. |
| 23:37:41 | Torne | gevaerts: add yourself to the release group if you haven't already and either push that or just do it in the project web ui |
| 23:37:47 | Torne | they both do the same thing |
| 23:38:11 | gevaerts | Ah, you can branch from there! |
| 23:38:21 | Torne | yeah, if the commit you want to be the head alreayd exists |
| 23:38:46 | gevaerts | OK, v3.11 now exists apparently! |
| 23:39:11 | Torne | yup, that's it |
| 23:39:33 | Torne | any committer can use it exactly as with master now |
| 23:39:40 | Torne | including pushing to refs/for/v3.11 to submit changes for review |
| 23:40:17 | gevaerts | OK, so the only remaining bit is that I'll have to try to remember how to check out a remote branch :) |
| 23:40:28 | * | gevaerts knows he has done this before! |
| 23:40:29 | funman | git checkout -b something origin/v3.11 |
| 23:40:36 | Torne | if you just do "git checkout v3.11" it will create a local branch that tracks that for you |
| 23:40:51 | Torne | it assumes i fyou name a remote branch you want to make a locla tracking branch from it |
| 23:40:56 | gevaerts | Oh, good |
| 23:41:22 | Torne | funman: you always want -t when creating local branches from remotes |
| 23:41:36 | Torne | but yes, git checkout -b whatever -t origin/v3.11 is the explicit way |
| 23:41:58 | jhMikeS | how do you get rid of a patch set that has a problem if it came after a good one? |
| 23:42:16 | funman | Torne: ok |
| 23:42:44 | Torne | jhMikeS: grab the old one and push it again |
| 23:44:52 | jhMikeS | hmm...I was hoping for some facility to pick which is the one that passes muster |
| 23:48:00 | saratoga | can we change the front page to show the merge time rather then the commit time for the local repo? |
| 23:48:09 | Topic | "3.11 has been branched | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 23:48:21 | saratoga | its less interesting to know when someone committed locally then when it joined the git repo |
| 23:49:28 | Torne | you mean the commit time, rather than the author time |
| 23:49:38 | Torne | (since they are cherrypicks) |
| 23:49:50 | Torne | but yes, we probably should |
| 23:50:12 | Torne | there is no way to timestamp actually merged commits that way, but since we are currently cherrypicking you can :) |
| 23:50:12 | * | [Saint] concludes that if its not broken in current source with 240x320 that he should just go hang himself because shit is seriously f***ed up. |
| 23:50:48 | saratoga | did you ever figure out a way to have sequential revision numbers? |
| 23:51:28 | Torne | er, sorta. i haven't finished the script to do it cleverly |
| 23:51:35 | Torne | i had forgotten about it, sorry :) |
| 23:51:54 | saratoga | getting that in would be nice |
| 23:52:09 | saratoga | right now its relatively confusing for people to figure out what they're running |
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