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| 00:16:14 | CIA-44 | Commit 64bb720 in rockbox by Michael Sevakis: Coldfire: Optimize emac context save/restore in mixer ISR. |
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| 00:18:34 | CIA-44 | Commit f637072 in rockbox by Michael Sevakis: Change EQ settings to use a struct array in global_settings. |
| 00:19:13 | CIA-44 | 64bb720 build result: All green |
| 00:22:37 | CIA-44 | f637072 build result: All green |
| 00:29:18 | * | [Saint] declares that diff says evilnick is wrong, and that diff knows all. |
| 00:29:27 | [Saint] | therefore, I have nothing to worry about. |
| 00:29:33 | evilnick | :( |
| 00:29:55 | [Saint] | Its almost certainly not true...but, I can't for the life of me see what's going on. |
| 00:30:15 | [Saint] | I need coffee and more awake time under my belt. |
| 00:31:31 | [Saint] | I'll bugger about, then I'll check it against the version with the known working AA popup (which wasn't long ago) |
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| 00:42:32 | [Saint] | Wait...I totally don't get this. |
| 00:42:58 | [Saint] | Unless its a skin bug, affecting all ports (can't check that just yet), I'm calling bs. |
| 00:43:18 | [Saint] | the changes made since it was apparently working are *totally* harmless. |
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| 00:44:58 | [Saint] | evilnick: how free/busy are you? |
| 00:45:27 | evilnick | I can spare 30 mins |
| 00:49:42 | [Saint] | evilnick: if you get the change, and can tell me if replacing the .wps with https://raw.github.com/saint-lascivious/RaaA-CabbieV2/bd0826f39182ab8a677f075325504af7f17f0021/480X800/rockbox/wps/cabbiev2.wps goes back to the "old" behaviour (AA popup working, volume popup not) as expected, it'd be appreciated. |
| 00:50:02 | [Saint] | I've no time for on-target testing presently, but this is annoying me. |
| 00:50:11 | [Saint] | s/change/chance/ |
| 00:54:26 | [Saint] | If it *does*, I'm bloody stumped. |
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| 00:57:33 | evilnick | [Saint]: Yes, it goes back to the old way of removing the text but not showing the pop-up(s) |
| 00:57:42 | evilnick | For both volume AND pressing album art |
| 00:58:18 | [Saint] | Ohhh....Hummm, I was confused, then. I was under the impression it was displaying the volume pop-up only. |
| 00:59:00 | [Saint] | thanks, evilnick . |
| 00:59:10 | evilnick | Nope, this new wps (and the last time I got the build and theme from your dropbox link) didn't display either pop-up (IIRC) |
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| 01:01:39 | [Saint] | Hmmm...maybe I managed to steal the entire audio buffer. |
| 01:02:00 | [Saint] | nah...foolery! I've messed something up, but apparently neither I nor diff can see it. |
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| 01:10:09 | saratoga | heh our resampler has a lot of trouble with 96k test tones, whereas the original firmware does a lot better on the clip |
| 01:17:21 | saratoga | although wow does it mess up 24 bit wav files, I think it treats each 24 bit word as a 16 bit word and half of the next one |
| 01:17:28 | saratoga | flac works fine though |
| 01:17:42 | saratoga | hmm no it doesn't |
| 01:18:05 | saratoga | i love that they bothered to implement a multiple sample rate support but can't handle 24 bit files |
| 01:21:29 | [Saint] | No no no! |
| 01:21:33 | [Saint] | this makes no sense! |
| 01:21:37 | [Saint] | ARRRRRRRGH! |
| 01:28:41 | * | evilnick makes a mental note to check the logs when he wakes up |
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| 01:34:12 | [Saint] | So, who feels like doing some on-target RaaA theme testing? |
| 01:35:00 | JdGordon | depends, have youg ot one for GN yet :) |
| 01:35:25 | [Saint] | 480x800 is apparently "broken", and I can't fucking see how. |
| 01:35:39 | JdGordon | sdl-app is your friend |
| 01:35:48 | [Saint] | not on Windows it isn't. |
| 01:35:59 | JdGordon | rasher's build? |
| 01:36:29 | [Saint] | I just tested 240x320 on rasher's latest, works fine there. |
| 01:37:16 | [Saint] | diff tells me there's nothing to worry about unless I'm completely blind, my commit logs tell me there's only harmless changes...so, I'm pretty bloody stumped. |
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| 01:43:18 | [Saint] | If someone felt like loading my latest 480x800 on a target of same res or greater and giving me a yes/no on the albumart pop-up, it'd be great. |
| 01:43:39 | [Saint] | not that I don't trust evilnick, but usually after this much looking *something* pops up at me. |
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| 01:51:29 | [Saint] | someone tell me I'm not fucking mental, please? |
| 01:51:31 | [Saint] | http://pastebin.com/dgw8rt8d |
| 01:52:06 | [Saint] | that's diff -r /good /"bad" |
| 01:53:02 | [Saint] | All I'm seeing is harmless changes in x,y offset. |
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| 02:10:58 | [Saint] | Ok...latest rasher build, latest theme build from my github, working fine on 240x320. |
| 02:11:38 | [Saint] | If anyone could put me out of my misery and confirm 480x800 is the same, or that it is indeed broken (bonus points for why), I'll be a very happy man. |
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| 02:12:30 | [Saint] | if I've spent the last fe hours chasing ghosts, I'll be the exact opposite of that. |
| 02:16:24 | [Saint] | why are the dates in http://www.rockbox.org/since-release.html all weird? |
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| 02:17:12 | [Saint] | yesterday, thursday, saturday, 6th MarX3, 28th Feb, 2nd Mar... |
| 02:18:00 | * | [Saint] never knows which scorche to bug |
| 02:20:32 | [Saint] | GodEater: ping? |
| 02:20:40 | * | [Saint] throws JdGordon into this mess too |
| 02:21:14 | [Saint] | ^In all honesty, what do you need from me for new (different resolution) cabbie ports? |
| 02:21:30 | [Saint] | Its not the code, one assumes, as that's all done....so, images, I guess? |
| 02:24:07 | [Saint] | "%xd(foo_image,scale)" would kinda fix that, ...but the scaling isn't exposed to anything except aa afaik. |
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| 02:24:48 | [Saint] | (where "scale" extends the image to the viewport boundaries when defined with 0,0 x,y offset) |
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| 02:37:50 | JdGordon | [Saint]: ? |
| 02:38:35 | JdGordon | [Saint]: the dates are wierd because date of commit and date of merge are different in git (i think) |
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| 02:47:13 | [Saint] | JdGordon: I was just confirming that yes, it is indeed the images you guys need for new ports. The commit date/time thing was really open for anyone. |
| 02:47:38 | [Saint] | then I kinda went off on a tangent thinking about if %xd could scale there'd basically be no problem with new ports. |
| 02:48:23 | [Saint] | I assume scaling down would be better, so it's be wasteful on smaller targets, though. |
| 02:48:29 | [Saint] | *it'd |
| 02:52:24 | JdGordon | ok, so i was mostly joking before about the gn port |
| 02:52:50 | JdGordon | I dont tihnk we should spend any effort utnill we see how we do target scaling (i.e kugels work and zagors work, etc) |
| 02:53:43 | * | [Saint] is braced for the nightmare of negative viewport x,y,w,h defines |
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| 02:54:15 | JdGordon | sometime around a week ago I was talking with kugel about viewport relative posisiotng and wanted to get your iew on it |
| 02:54:22 | emily__ | hi |
| 02:54:46 | [Saint] | hi, emily__. |
| 02:55:06 | [Saint] | how may we service your (rockbox related) needs? |
| 02:55:10 | emily__ | does anyone here know how to make banshee detect clip + ? |
| 02:55:25 | emily__ | i'd think it's msc mode |
| 02:56:04 | emily__ | but after installing i don't think thats possible |
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| 02:56:57 | [Saint] | Our fine manual can help you here. |
| 02:57:28 | [Saint] | It has all you need to know about setting MSC/MTP modes. |
| 02:58:11 | emily__ | ok |
| 02:58:16 | emily__ | sorry |
| 02:58:17 | * | [Saint] wants to point out that if this isn't Rockbox related, then its Banshee and/or SanDisk's problem. |
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| 03:00:49 | emily__ | umm would you please like to this alleged manual? |
| 03:01:33 | saratoga | theres a link on the front page, left side |
| 03:04:53 | [Saint] | Bam! |
| 03:04:54 | [Saint] | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-build.html |
| 03:10:35 | emily__ | ok i'l be quiet |
| 03:10:56 | emily__ | i found a solution |
| 03:11:11 | saratoga | (looking at the logs) you might want to ask the people who made your software, they'll likely know more about how it works then we do |
| 03:11:11 | emily__ | http://all-tech-thoughts.blogspot.com/2009/11/accessing-sandisk-sansa-clip-with.html |
| 03:13:16 | emily__ | only thing is it seems like rockbox thinks the computer is a chargeing station |
| 03:13:40 | emily__ | as it only mounts in stock FW |
| 03:13:47 | [Saint] | Argh! |
| 03:14:05 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#AMSv2_issues_40Fuzev2_44_Clipv2_44_Clip_43_44_ClipZip_41 |
| 03:14:19 | [Saint] | thanks, saratoga. |
| 03:15:01 | [Saint] | Your options are a: "Live with it", b: "wait for the next release", or c: "update to current as opposed to release" |
| 03:15:17 | emily__ | ok thanks |
| 03:15:27 | [Saint] | c and only c will get you USB in a timely fashion. |
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| 03:32:15 | [Saint] | Is it possible to build the SDL app for Windows? |
| 03:32:19 | * | [Saint] guesses not. |
| 03:32:30 | jhMikeS | I have |
| 03:32:35 | * | [Saint] summons peeps who know this stuff |
| 03:32:50 | jhMikeS | it's not too hard |
| 03:32:52 | [Saint] | jhMikeS: how much hackery did this involve? |
| 03:32:57 | jhMikeS | not much |
| 03:33:15 | jhMikeS | just get the SDL dll from SDL's site. forget about building it. |
| 03:33:31 | [Saint] | Will it be obvious from the errors spat what I'll need to massage? |
| 03:33:36 | [Saint] | Oh...or that. |
| 03:33:40 | jhMikeS | pretty much |
| 03:33:55 | jhMikeS | and you have to install the mingw stuff |
| 03:34:07 | [Saint] | Yeah, that's all there. |
| 03:34:26 | [Saint] | Trouble is, I like building in Linux, but working in Windows. :-S |
| 03:34:28 | jhMikeS | just configure for it. drop sdl.dll in the directory and go |
| 03:34:44 | jhMikeS | oh, make sure to actually build the sim too :) |
| 03:35:00 | [Saint] | Hahaha |
| 03:35:47 | [Saint] | "./configure" Hmmmmm...JhMikes...it doesn't work! Oh! *make* too now... |
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| 03:36:08 | jhMikeS | I don't want to forget any critical steps :) |
| 03:38:04 | [Saint] | I need to just bite the bullet and find an editor I like, and convert my SciTE-related scripts to it. |
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| 03:38:33 | [Saint] | both image and textual editors, neither of which I enjoy using in Lunux |
| 03:38:42 | [Saint] | *Linux too |
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| 03:41:45 | saratoga | you can build the app in a linux virtual machine, but edit the files on windows over an SMB share |
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| 03:42:22 | * | jhMikeS does the VM thingy |
| 03:42:39 | saratoga | if you want to be fancy you can install an x windows program for linux, then run the GUI on windows too, but thats only a minor improvement over vbox |
| 03:42:50 | saratoga | sorry, xwindows program for windows i mean |
| 03:43:15 | saratoga | Xming for instance lets you run the sim over putty and see the graphics on windows |
| 03:43:27 | saratoga | without actually compiling it for windows |
| 03:44:09 | [Saint] | saratoga: Yeah, I'm just avoiding setting up another VM :) Especially as I've all but convinced myself I'll build the bloody thing, find no problem, then rage :) |
| 03:44:25 | saratoga | i posted a complete VM on the wiki |
| 03:44:38 | [Saint] | Ah, so you have. |
| 03:44:56 | [Saint] | virtualbox or vmware? |
| 03:45:00 | saratoga | virtualbox |
| 03:45:05 | * | [Saint] nods |
| 03:45:07 | saratoga | should be good to go, although it won't build android without installing the android tools |
| 03:45:37 | saratoga | virtualbox seems to work as well as vmware, but its free and will use an unlimited number of CPUs rather then whatever vmware caps at |
| 03:46:14 | * | jhMikeS should switch already to VBox |
| 03:46:28 | jhMikeS | that means "VirtualBox" |
| 03:48:22 | saratoga | my only complaint is that the virtualized CPU in vbox only has SSE3, so SSE4 and AVX are off the table |
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| 04:06:32 | [Saint] | I'm still holding out some hope that by the time I get back from the pharmacy, someone will have tested on-device and said either yes or no. |
| 04:06:45 | * | JdGordon says no |
| 04:06:46 | JdGordon | or yes |
| 04:07:22 | * | [Saint] sees JdGordon missed the important precursor :) |
| 04:07:42 | jhMikeS | where the virtual box? |
| 04:10:30 | [Saint] | Its there, *virtually*. |
| 04:11:15 | jhMikeS | It must be |
| 04:12:35 | [Saint] | Actually...not I'm wondering the same. |
| 04:12:39 | [Saint] | *now |
| 04:13:09 | [Saint] | Alls I can find is http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 04:13:42 | jhMikeS | I can't seem to find an image specifically for it, just a "you can convert the VMWare image" |
| 04:14:11 | * | [Saint] summons saratoga |
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| 04:14:37 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide |
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| 04:15:04 | [Saint] | Pfffft! |
| 04:15:09 | [Saint] | what a place to put it... :) |
| 04:15:10 | * | jhMikeS feels idiot |
| 04:15:54 | jhMikeS | not so much with the anchor for "VirtualBox" not actually going to the link |
| 04:16:17 | [Saint] | the wiki search seems *very* broken. |
| 04:16:36 | saratoga | we could just delete the vmware page |
| 04:16:39 | jhMikeS | *cough* syrup *cough* |
| 04:16:39 | saratoga | i haven't maintained it |
| 04:17:27 | jhMikeS | is the image just a 2GB one like the VMWare one? |
| 04:17:32 | [Saint] | enter thing to search for, click search, comes up with nothing, enter thing you want to search for in the search field entry now displayed since the search failed, search completes as expected. |
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| 04:18:28 | [Saint] | seriously...even pages I *know* exist fail. |
| 04:18:43 | [Saint] | enter "wikiusers", click search, no results. |
| 04:19:11 | [Saint] | enter the same in the new search field the failed search gives you....search is a success. |
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| 04:20:04 | [Saint] | Fark! |
| 04:20:16 | [Saint] | what is it? discover-broken-shit day? |
| 04:20:41 | Mir | yup |
| 04:21:53 | [Saint] | that is really quite broken, and unobvious as to its workings, though. |
| 04:22:01 | [Saint] | It took me a while to figure it out myself. |
| 04:22:36 | [Saint] | So I don't expect "Average Joe" to know why their search takes them to....just another place to search for the same thing they just tried to search for. |
| 04:23:00 | [Saint] | complete with ~100 lines or so of utter irrelevancy. |
| 04:23:21 | [Saint] | *any* search takes you to: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebSearch |
| 04:23:40 | [Saint] | (note the ridiculous amount of cruft displayed on said page) |
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| 04:25:33 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebSearch?rev=6 seems "correct" |
| 04:26:07 | [Saint] | lol! |
| 04:26:15 | [Saint] | broken since ~2000 |
| 04:27:08 | [Saint] | Ohhh...I even get to blame someone. |
| 04:27:15 | [Saint] | busted: 12 Mar 2001 - 06:18:51 - PeterThoeny |
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| 04:29:14 | saratoga | jhMikeS: IIRC its about 400MB after a couple hours through 7z, includes the arm compiler and sdl for the sim, no android or cf/sh1 |
| 04:29:29 | saratoga | stock ubuntu image otherwise |
| 04:29:39 | [Saint] | I believe he meant what size is the decompressed image. |
| 04:29:52 | saratoga | oh i have no idea |
| 04:30:13 | saratoga | it'll probably explode the first time you write something to the disk and vb uncompacts it |
| 04:31:00 | jhMikeS | well, basically, the size of the virtual disk |
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| 04:31:08 | jhMikeS | ...is what I was wondering |
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| 04:32:33 | * | [Saint] guesstimates 4GB |
| 04:32:44 | saratoga | i was going to guess 10GB |
| 04:32:49 | saratoga | i don't remember through |
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| 04:32:58 | jhMikeS | it's already about 3 |
| 04:33:24 | jhMikeS | size: 3,010,539,520 packed: 0 <= ? |
| 04:33:37 | [Saint] | wellp, if its 10, it 'aint goin' on this machine. |
| 04:33:51 | saratoga | VB doesn't actually use hd space until you write something to the disk |
| 04:34:15 | saratoga | so i think the default is about 10 or 20GB, which will give a 2-3GB image on the disk until you start writing stuff to it |
| 04:34:24 | [Saint] | but it needs to be able to, though, no? otherwise it'll refuse to install the image (I thought) |
| 04:34:49 | saratoga | no idea, i have a lot of storage space |
| 04:35:07 | * | [Saint] only has a 64Gb ssd, that's near full. |
| 04:35:08 | * | jhMikeS has some space to burn |
| 04:35:22 | [Saint] | the other disks I wouldn't want to run a VM on. |
| 04:35:41 | jhMikeS | not so good with RAM on this PoS |
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| 04:38:00 | * | [Saint] will probably end upclearing some space and using Wubi dual-boot (as the GF will have a spaz if I remove Windows) |
| 04:38:19 | Mir | hehe |
| 04:39:20 | [Saint] | Mir: that's no speculation, either. She *will remove my man parts for forcing Ubuntu on her :) |
| 04:39:39 | Mir | i understand |
| 04:40:54 | Mir | i would not force ubuntu on anyone |
| 04:41:40 | Mir | now i am not anti-ubuntu |
| 04:41:50 | Mir | i am actualy anti-compiz |
| 04:41:58 | Mir | i HATE compiz with a passion |
| 04:42:17 | jhMikeS | is this on-topic for #rockbox now? |
| 04:43:46 | * | [Saint] takes the blame for topic drift. |
| 04:44:41 | JdGordon | [Saint]: viewport relative viewport positioning.... any thuoghts? |
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| 04:45:29 | [Saint] | Not right this second. You caught me walking out the door. |
| 04:45:47 | [Saint] | If you can point me to a log, I'll have a nosey in a bit when I get back. |
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| 04:46:57 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20120303#12:23:05 |
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| 05:10:10 | [Saint_] | Oh. Ye. Gods. |
| 05:10:35 | * | [Saint_] really isn't a fan of the headwork that would be needed to create a theme that even halfway worked there. |
| 05:11:02 | [Saint_] | And no, fwiw, I don't have a better idea...but I really dislike this one :) |
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| 05:12:05 | [Saint_] | pretty much, kugel said it for me. |
| 05:12:16 | [Saint_] | (I hate it when we agree on things, it seems weird :P) |
| 05:12:19 | [Saint_] | kugelI don't think having vp1 at a fixed offset of vp0 which is at a fixed position helps there |
| 05:12:19 | [Saint_] | 12:39kugelit may make sense if vp0 could move/resize dynamically |
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| 06:05:49 | [Saint_] | JdGordon: I know its pretty ugly, but how does http://pastebin.com/SeDVNSpq look to you? |
| 06:06:17 | [Saint_] | I'd eventually like to kludge this into all cabbie variants (its specific to my RaaA port presently) |
| 06:07:34 | [Saint_] | If I were to "In a nutshell" it: It attempts to compensate for missing metadata by way of fallthrough cases, and if it can't fall through to anything sane, it will shift the line from below up a space to fill the gap that would result. |
| 06:08:04 | [Saint_] | (it doesn't actually shift anything, its just creative conditions) |
| 06:15:23 | JdGordon | sounds sensible |
| 06:15:50 | [Saint_] | It still doesn't (and couldn't possibly) cater for all cases a user might botch their metadata...but, it should at the very least always display filename and file/codec info. |
| 06:17:28 | JdGordon | making better use of the avilable tags is always good |
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| 06:17:41 | [Saint_] | It basically just has each line checking if the intended case from the previous line is true or not to decide what it should display. |
| 06:20:22 | [Saint_] | My current cabbie code has a much "lighter" version of this, but this code (should) always display as much information as possible, without gaps between entries. |
| 06:21:00 | [Saint_] | The absolute worst case scenario is "no metadata whatsoever, with all files just crammed in / without subdirs" |
| 06:21:09 | [Saint_] | ...but I can't code against insanity :) |
| 06:22:57 | [Saint_] | In which case you'll get: "filename; (root); X Kb/s <codec>" |
| 06:23:36 | [Saint_] | which isn't exactly terrible, but I wish there was more "useful" info to flesh this case out a bit. |
| 06:30:34 | JdGordon | will it more likely show more info than whats in git? |
| 06:30:43 | JdGordon | if yes then i see no reason against it |
| 06:31:51 | [Saint_] | Yes, it will. |
| 06:33:27 | [Saint_] | If you have sane tags, you'll not see any difference whatsoever. |
| 06:34:00 | [Saint_] | If you have tags with many missing fields, where those fields missed might differ between tracks, you'll see a huge improvement. |
| 06:35:12 | [Saint_] | I'll spend some time (probably mid-week) massaging it into git and get it up on gerrit. |
| 06:35:52 | [Saint_] | There's still a few cabbies that missed the viewportification, so I'll need to (not really, but I should) fix that up at the same time. |
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| 06:49:10 | JdGordon | I'd advise against that |
| 06:49:18 | JdGordon | against the viewportification i mean |
| 06:49:33 | [Saint_] | ....why? |
| 06:50:29 | JdGordon | hmm, well, ok |
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| 08:44:17 | Tweedle | is anyone awake? |
| 08:44:18 | Tweedle | :) |
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| 08:45:54 | Zagor | Tweedle: most likely :) |
| 08:46:21 | bluebrother^ | the idea behind making distro packages for the compilers is to make it simple for people to set up a VM. Just install the distro, install missing packages via the distros package manager, install the compilers from our packages |
| 08:46:37 | bluebrother^ | Tweedle: no, only bots in this channel :P |
| 08:47:09 | Zagor | bluebrother^: sounds good to me |
| 08:47:47 | bluebrother^ | Zagor: the bots or packages thing? |
| 08:48:29 | Zagor | :) packages |
| 08:48:31 | bluebrother^ | someone wanted to make a ppa for ubuntu (at least IIRC this was discussed on last DevCon). Nothing happened so I made packages for Fedora |
| 08:49:11 | bluebrother^ | I wanted to make an additional meta package that pulls in all required packages |
| 08:49:20 | CIA-44 | Commit 01397c4 in rockbox by Bertrik Sikken: rds: show rds clock-time as broken down time instead of UTC time in debug menu |
| 08:49:21 | bluebrother^ | so you can simply do yum install rockboxdev |
| 08:50:49 | bluebrother^ | and be done with it |
| 08:51:02 | bluebrother^ | and eventually we can drop the vmware image |
| 08:51:36 | [Saint_] | Tweedle: Thats the invitation to ask your question, if you have one. |
| 08:51:41 | Tweedle | does anyone know how to make the song title scroll completely across? it only scrolls a few characters the jumps back to the begining |
| 08:52:22 | CIA-44 | 01397c4 build result: 23 errors, 3 warnings (Bertrik Sikken committed) |
| 08:53:18 | [Saint_] | Tweedle: Settings - General Settings - Display - Scrolling - Bidirectional Scroll Limit - 0 |
| 08:53:44 | CIA-44 | Commit 16a9561 in rockbox by Bertrik Sikken: fix year calculation in gmtime |
| 08:54:03 | CIA-44 | Commit fb30d01 in rockbox by Jonathan Gordon: (Author: Osborne Jacobs) Fix minor bookmark problems/Enhance bookmark functions |
| 08:54:54 | Tweedle | [Saint_]: didnt fix it |
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| 08:56:37 | CIA-44 | 16a9561 build result: All green |
| 08:56:51 | [Saint_] | Tweedle: it definitely does so here. |
| 08:56:57 | [Saint_] | that is what this setting is for. |
| 08:57:19 | [Saint_] | You can verify it by watching scrolling items in the menu |
| 08:57:21 | Tweedle | im talking about the scrolling of the playing track and the next track during the "now playing" screen |
| 08:57:27 | Tweedle | not in the menu |
| 08:57:36 | Tweedle | sry if i wasnt clear about that |
| 08:57:37 | Tweedle | :/ |
| 08:57:39 | [Saint_] | same applies. |
| 08:58:33 | Tweedle | well, it didnt fix it |
| 08:58:51 | Tweedle | it only scrolls about 4 spaces, then clicks back to the beginning |
| 08:59:03 | CIA-44 | fb30d01 build result: All green |
| 08:59:19 | [Saint_] | What theme is this? |
| 08:59:29 | [Saint_] | It seems likely the theme is doing something stupid. |
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| 09:00:03 | Tweedle | pacman |
| 09:00:15 | Tweedle | but its not just on this theme |
| 09:00:54 | Tweedle | when im in the scrolling limit menu, it shows the scrolling example, up top, just fine |
| 09:01:09 | [Saint_] | I'm about 99% positive that the scroll settings are global, and that bidirectional limit should fix this issue. |
| 09:01:32 | [Saint_] | If bidirectional scrolling doesn't apply to themes, it makes me wonder why. |
| 09:01:41 | [Saint_] | It certainly should. |
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| 09:01:57 | Tweedle | yea, i thought the same thing |
| 09:02:00 | [Saint_] | All the other scrolling settings are used by themes. |
| 09:02:32 | [Saint_] | verify that it doesn't work on the default theme, and file a bug. |
| 09:02:33 | bluebrother^ | they do. Works fine for me |
| 09:02:42 | Tweedle | and, it doent always click back at the same spot each time |
| 09:02:42 | [Saint_] | bluebrother^: Ah, good. |
| 09:02:49 | bluebrother^ | though I'm usually not sure if scroll limit has to be set to 0 or 100 :) |
| 09:02:53 | Tweedle | yea, i have quite a few bugs to file |
| 09:02:59 | [Saint_] | Tweedle: Sounds like your theme(s) are broken. |
| 09:03:09 | Tweedle | i get memeory access, page faults errors |
| 09:03:21 | Tweedle | yea, maybe i should reinstall |
| 09:03:33 | [Saint_] | this is nothing we can do anything about (themes), unless its cabbiev2 (the default). |
| 09:03:41 | bluebrother^ | could be filesystem errors as well |
| 09:03:56 | [Saint_] | In which case unfortunately I'm probably the man to bug, because it was likely me that broke it :) |
| 09:04:01 | * | bluebrother^ suggests running chkdsk /f before reinstalling |
| 09:04:06 | [Saint_] | theme, not filesystem :) |
| 09:04:18 | bluebrother^ | [Saint_]: you broke my filesystem? |
| 09:04:22 | bluebrother^ | :) |
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| 09:04:52 | Tweedle | well, i installed it in windows 7, but right now im in Kubuntu |
| 09:04:55 | [Saint_] | bluebrother^: with the bider limit...do you want the line to "bounce" always, sometimes, or never? |
| 09:05:07 | Tweedle | is the installer for linux about the same? |
| 09:05:07 | wodz | how to build single, particular .rock? I always forget the proper line :/ |
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| 09:05:27 | bluebrother^ | [Saint_]: I don't want it to bounce, since text going backwards is pretty much unreadable IMO. |
| 09:05:33 | [Saint_] | never == 0, ~100 == "if the title is shorter than the screen width", ~200 == always. |
| 09:05:35 | bluebrother^ | wodz: make rock |
| 09:05:41 | bluebrother^ | (or rocks? Not sure) |
| 09:05:49 | bluebrother^ | [Saint_]: in my case the value is 0 |
| 09:05:55 | wodz | this will build all plugins |
| 09:06:01 | [Saint_] | bluebrother^: yeah, you want 0 |
| 09:06:09 | wodz | I want to build only test_codec and test_mem |
| 09:06:16 | bluebrother^ | simply looked it up on the player ;-) |
| 09:06:26 | bluebrother^ | wodz: hmm, don't know then. |
| 09:07:27 | [Saint_] | Tweedle: bluebrother^ is correct here, it certainly sounds like (a pretty bloody weird manifestation of) cilesystem corruption. |
| 09:07:44 | Tweedle | yea, i agree |
| 09:07:47 | [Saint_] | Seeing as you're getting incorrect behaviour *and* memory faults. |
| 09:08:21 | [Saint_] | I don't think I've seen filesystem errors affect a theme in such a specific way, but, there's a first time for everythign I guess. |
| 09:10:33 | bluebrother^ | argh, late for work :( |
| 09:10:33 | * | [Saint_] wonders exactly how resource intensive a diskcheck.rock plugin would be. |
| 09:10:36 | * | bluebrother^ runs off |
| 09:10:56 | [Saint_] | Or, if we could expose SMART data via a plugin. |
| 09:11:19 | [Saint_] | "Your disk is going to crap its pants, backup your shizzle, yo." |
| 09:12:49 | [Saint_] | Don't get me wrong, I know it will *always* be better to do a filesystem check/repair on a device other than the target...but then in a similar regard its always better to edit text on a PC, and we offer a text editor. |
| 09:13:58 | [Saint_] | As long as its a choice to run it, I don't much see the harm. Some people might not be around a PC very often and are still just as prone to FS errors as those that are. |
| 09:14:55 | [Saint_] | It might take a rather hilariously long time to complete on spinning disk based targets, or juice the battery before it completes, though...so, Hmmm. |
| 09:16:36 | wodz | bugger. I compiled test codecs for rk27xx before and now I can't manage to |
| 09:20:20 | Tweedle | i decided to re-format with the built-in firmware's format option |
| 09:20:27 | Tweedle | then im going to re-install rockbox |
| 09:25:33 | wodz | Zagor: ping |
| 09:25:38 | Zagor | pong |
| 09:27:56 | wodz | Zagor: could you update frontpage? I moved hd300 to stable |
| 09:28:28 | Zagor | done |
| 09:28:41 | wodz | thanks |
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| 09:46:01 | timotimo | i'm running the current rockbox utility on linux64, but i can install neither the fonts package nor can i get any themes. it just errors out with an HTTP404, is that a known problem? |
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| 09:46:41 | timotimo | this is for the sansa clipzip |
| 09:47:00 | [Saint_] | timotimo: I saw a similar report regarding themes yesterday. |
| 09:47:28 | [Saint_] | You can download both themes and the font pack directly from the website. |
| 09:47:57 | timotimo | i'm doing that right now. it would still be nice if it worked in the utility |
| 09:48:23 | [Saint_] | Oh, it surely would. Patches are welcome. |
| 09:54:10 | Tweedle | ok, lets see if i did it right .... :) |
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| 10:24:37 | JdGordon | the whole UI updating mechanism really needs to be looked at again |
| 10:25:20 | JdGordon | FS #12606 is easy to fix in specific cases (i.e updating every screen to look for when the sbs needs updating) but a more general approach is needed |
| 10:25:20 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12606 UI Viewport disappears when the player skips to the next track (bugs, unconfirmed) |
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| 10:45:52 | [Saint_] | why don't all screens simply update at a rate defined by the tags in use? |
| 10:46:21 | [Saint_] | example being, if there's no scrolling text or peak meters, then the default refresh is a bit over the top in the .wps |
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| 10:51:08 | [Saint_] | I've just now twigged that that's a seperate issue to what you're describing...but unless I'm mistaken, the .sbs and .wps have entirely different refresh rates? |
| 10:52:10 | [Saint_] | attempting to do animations with 0.1sec timeouts in the .wps definitely looks a lot better than the .sbs anyway. And I'm not sure why this is the case. |
| 10:52:37 | [Saint_] | I think you proved that the refresh rate had no notable hit on battery life did you nto? |
| 10:52:44 | [Saint_] | *not |
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| 12:47:18 | JdGordon | [Saint_]: correct, entirely different issue :) |
| 12:47:35 | JdGordon | AlexP: gevaerts: whats the bar for bug fixes going into the release branch? |
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| 12:57:44 | JdGordon | [Saint_]: the fix for that is adding some smarts to the skin engine to figure out how fast the skin needs updating (which shold actually be pretty trivial to add) |
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| 13:06:29 | wodz | I'll ask again: how to compile *single* plugin? I thought it was make $BUILDDIR/apps/plugins/test_codec.rock for example but it doesn't work |
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| 13:14:00 | timotimo | how impossible is the idea of using the audio hardware of any rockbox powered device and offer it to a pc via usb as an usb audio device? |
| 13:14:14 | gevaerts | JdGordon: It's about *this* high |
| 13:14:18 | * | gevaerts holds his hand up |
| 13:14:57 | gevaerts | timotimo: depends on the device. pamaury has a branch somewhere on github that implements that for e200, but it's not fully finished |
| 13:15:08 | timotimo | wow, neat |
| 13:15:36 | timotimo | because i'm told my laptops audio hardware (and most other laptops apparently) is very, very poor, whereas my sansa clipzip has pretty decent audio hardware |
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| 13:16:19 | gevaerts | I'm not sure about the clip zip, but I'd say it can *probably* be done. It's just a lot of work |
| 13:16:23 | Torne | wodz: i believe make $BUILDDIR/test_codec.rock |
| 13:16:44 | Torne | the deps are slightly arcane |
| 13:17:06 | wodz | Torne: will try, thanks |
| 13:17:33 | Torne | unless your machine is very starved for ram it shouldn't take any noticable time to decide that that's the only thing that needs remaking, though :) |
| 13:17:59 | wodz | btw. what are general criteria for selecting armclk/hclk/pclk |
| 13:18:36 | wodz | Torne: the problem is that I defined keymaps only for test_* family and make rocks simply barfs |
| 13:18:48 | Torne | oh. |
| 13:18:57 | Torne | Oh, if this is test_* did you actually configure with them enabled? :) |
| 13:19:06 | wodz | yes |
| 13:19:08 | Torne | that woudl be a different reason for make to reject it other than it being the wrong target |
| 13:21:12 | gevaerts | JdGordon: I can give an opinion on specific cases. General statements about this are rather tricky |
| 13:21:33 | Torne | wodz: having just tried it seems like *nothing* works :p |
| 13:22:01 | Torne | So, yeah, have fun with that. |
| 13:22:22 | wodz | hell, it used to work |
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| 13:26:25 | timotimo | gevaerts: do you know how much of the usb audio thing works for the e200? |
| 13:27:54 | timotimo | if i found the right repository, that stuff hasn't been touched for at least half a year |
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| 13:39:12 | gevaerts | timotimo: I've never looked at it in detail |
| 13:39:21 | gevaerts | But yes, it's a bit oldish now |
| 13:40:05 | timotimo | sad to hear that, would have been fun |
| 13:40:29 | gevaerts | Feel free to pick it up! |
| 13:40:55 | timotimo | but i'm not ready to learn everything needed to finish that or implement it on the clipzip |
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| 16:15:02 | ceemko | hey guys, anyone has some experience with rockboxing sansa clip+? after I did complete installation via wizard, the rockbox clearly works on the player, but when I try to connect it to PC, it is not recognized |
| 16:21:02 | GodEater_ | my personal experience of the clip+ is limited, but I seem to recall you currently have to reboot it into the original firmware to get USB support. |
| 16:22:45 | Torne | the 3.10 release doesn't have USB support, no. boot the original firmware following the instructions in the manual. Once you've done that you may, if you want, upgrade to the current development release which does have USB support |
| 16:23:46 | ceemko | thank you guys, that's exactly the kind of information i missed :) |
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| 17:30:06 | olegfink1 | hi, somewhat offtopic, but knowing you guys are experts on bizzare hardware: any idea what the likes of http://www.sharp.co.jp/papyrus/lineup/pw-a8050/index.html run on? |
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| 17:32:59 | GodEater_ | I think we're only going to do what you'd do here, and exercise our google-fu |
| 17:34:13 | olegfink | lest i used the channel as a google frontend. |
| 17:34:26 | bluebrother^ | AlexP, pixelma: the manual states that Rockbox boots into the OF on clip+ and others when powered up with USB connected. This is not true anymore. |
| 17:34:39 | bluebrother^ | don't have time to fix this right now though |
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| 17:35:02 | bluebrother^ | possibly later. If someone has the time earlier the better :) |
| 17:38:17 | bluebrother^ | timotimo: which version of Rockbox Utility are you using? There was a bug in 1.2.12 which is fixed with the latest release (1.2.13). |
| 17:38:24 | bluebrother^ | installing the fonts pack works fine for me |
| 17:39:03 | bluebrother^ | I also get an error trying to install themes, but that's a different story −− the server responds with a 500 internal server error |
| 17:39:43 | timotimo | version 1.2.13 |
| 17:40:03 | timotimo | although every version i've tried ever has told me "there's a new version!" when i start it the first time |
| 17:40:25 | bluebrother^ | can you please post the system trace (About / Troubleshooting / System Trace) after you tried somewhere? |
| 17:40:43 | timotimo | tried what? the fonts package download? |
| 17:40:49 | bluebrother^ | yes |
| 17:45:18 | bluebrother^ | ok, so I've just retried with the latest binary on 64bit linux. Works for me. |
| 17:45:39 | bluebrother^ | plus, I don't get a message that a new version is available. I suspect you're not using 1.2.13. |
| 17:47:11 | timotimo | http://www.perpetuum-immobile.de/tempo/rbutil_fonts_log.log and http://www.perpetuum-immobile.de/tempo/rbutil_fonts_trace.log |
| 17:47:18 | timotimo | i don't get the message any more either |
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| 17:48:29 | bluebrother^ | that's interesting. |
| 17:48:43 | bluebrother^ | the fonts URL is constructed wrongly but that should be fixed. |
| 17:49:18 | timotimo | probably should, yeah |
| 17:49:44 | bluebrother^ | hmm, why is it using the release fonts URL? |
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| 17:50:29 | bluebrother^ | which versoin of Rockbox have you installed? |
| 17:51:58 | bluebrother^ | I'm under the impression that there's still a problem with git hashes :( |
| 17:55:27 | bluebrother^ | which you should be able to work around by installing a newer version |
| 17:55:36 | bluebrother^ | i.e. a version with a different hash :) |
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| 18:06:27 | bluebrother^ | timotimo: can you put the rockbox-info.txt file of your installation (in the .rockbox folder) online as well? |
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| 18:33:54 | pamaury | I'm wondering if the backtrace mechanism could be extended to all threads ? For example, if the UI freeze, it might be because of some other thread and knowing where the other threads are stuck my be usefu |
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| 18:52:23 | timotimo | pamaury: you were the one who started work on offering the e200 as an usb audio device? |
| 18:52:37 | pamaury | timotimo: yes |
| 18:52:50 | timotimo | are you still interested in that? i thought that was kind of a cool idea |
| 18:53:15 | pamaury | yes but it requires some work and I've been busy with the fuze+ port recently |
| 18:53:40 | timotimo | ah |
| 18:53:55 | timotimo | well, since i don't have an e200 (i do have a clipzip) it's not too interesting for me, just a cool thing |
| 18:54:17 | timotimo | for the clipzip you'd probably have to redo it from scratch or something? |
| 18:55:17 | pamaury | actually it was not e200 specific, just specific to some driver. Another interesting class of device would be amsv2 (fuzev2,clip+,clipzip) but implementing it will not be easy I think and the usb driver is not even completely stable |
| 18:56:08 | timotimo | so if fuze+ gets done you'd continue work on it? |
| 18:56:30 | pamaury | if I have time and motivation :) |
| 18:57:11 | timotimo | very cool :) |
| 18:57:26 | timotimo | what do you mean when you say it's specific to "some driver"? |
| 18:58:21 | pamaury | there is a generic part and a hardware specific part. The generic part is mainly done but I only implemented the driver for one usb controller which is found in the e200 but not only |
| 18:58:27 | pamaury | (the fuze+ for example) |
| 18:58:34 | timotimo | ah, ok |
| 18:58:44 | timotimo | have you also considered exposing the microphone? |
| 18:58:55 | timotimo | or hell, even the radio receiver once you're at it :) |
| 18:58:58 | pamaury | yes, and radio |
| 18:59:18 | timotimo | that's really cool |
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| 18:59:40 | pamaury | but the playback part is easier than the recording one I think |
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| 21:17:29 | bluebrother | timotimo: which Rockbox version do you have installed when observing the fonts download issue in Rockbox Utility? |
| 21:17:59 | timotimo | uh, the "recommended" one |
| 21:18:42 | bluebrother | can you post the contents of /.rockbox/rockbox-info.txt somewher? |
| 21:20:12 | bluebrother | recommended as of today? |
| 21:21:56 | * | bluebrother guesses this to be 3448f5b6ad25f59e01ece347cb06e09652915e30 |
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| 21:23:12 | bluebrother | yeps, that produces a failing test |
| 21:23:37 | timotimo | great :) |
| 21:24:02 | bluebrother | having a test turns out to be really neat :) |
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| 21:25:20 | bluebrother | hmm, or did I insert the value wrongly? |
| 21:25:36 | bluebrother | maybe a headache is a bad precondition for looking for bugs :( |
| 21:25:47 | bluebrother | since the test now passes :/ |
| 21:26:40 | timotimo | strange |
| 21:26:45 | timotimo | well, don't beat yourself up about it? |
| 21:31:03 | timotimo | what did that ? do there? |
| 21:31:15 | bluebrother | no idea about the ? ;-) |
| 21:31:30 | * | bluebrother would really like to know the contents of rockbox-info.txt :) |
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| 21:34:50 | timotimo | sorry, man. i just lost the device somewhere :( |
| 21:35:24 | bluebrother | uh. That's bad (especially for the loss) |
| 21:36:27 | timotimo | i just got it for my birthday, because i was convinced i had lost my clip+ |
| 21:36:37 | timotimo | just found the clip+ a few minutes ago in a jacket pocket i hardly ever use |
| 21:42:54 | timotimo | found it! |
| 21:43:58 | timotimo | http://bpaste.net/show/25039/ |
| 21:44:57 | bluebrother | nice, thanks |
| 21:45:06 | timotimo | you're welcome |
| 21:45:13 | dfkt | if i want to prioritize bmp album art, do i just have to alter that one line in albumart.c? - static const char * extensions[] = { "jpeg", "jpg", "bmp" }; |
| 21:46:15 | bluebrother | ah, the test was even incomplete |
| 21:46:22 | * | bluebrother can now reproduce the issue |
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| 21:48:33 | wodz | Torne: Building plugins separately works as used to. The 'trick' is to select test plugins in configure if you intend to build it :-) |
| 21:49:21 | bertrik | pamaury, do you have time to test a patch for the imx233 rtc driver? |
| 21:51:17 | wodz | whats are the general criteria when selecting armclk/hclk/pclk freqs (I mean other then max allowed values and allowed dividers)? |
| 21:52:03 | timotimo | bluebrother: great! :) |
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| 21:55:21 | bertrik | wodz, not sure what you mean. And I have to admit I don't really know what hclk is for |
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| 21:56:51 | saratoga | hclk is the AHB clock i think |
| 21:57:26 | bertrik | I think I've seen usually FCLK >= HCLK >= PCLK |
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| 21:59:24 | wodz | nano2g uses fclk=hclk=pclk imo in lower speed |
| 21:59:54 | saratoga | makes sense |
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| 22:00:48 | wodz | I guess on target without iram dram speed is at premium |
| 22:01:40 | saratoga | yeah usually you want DRAM as fast as possible without making everything else faster (which would waste power) |
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| 22:03:44 | saratoga | although on a lot of devices increasing the cpu clock doesn't waste that much power if the P/Hclks aren't raised, so its not always hte best way to go |
| 22:04:00 | saratoga | i think arm cpus tend to be efficiently made, random SOC peripherals less so |
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| 22:08:18 | wodz | faster dram means faster hclk usually |
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| 22:12:48 | saratoga | usually you have to do a battery bench to see if higher or lower p/h clk is better |
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| 22:12:58 | saratoga | on AMSv2 it is apparently worse, although i'm not sure why |
| 22:15:09 | wodz | currently rk27xx runs at fcpu@200MHz hclk@100MHz pclk@50MHz, I discovered I could run it at 132/132/66 or 132/132/33. This would give ~33% in dram speed |
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| 22:17:48 | Frank__L | Hi there. I've got some questions about the audio decoders in rockbox |
| 22:18:38 | Frank__L | I'm not a rockbox users myself, but I'm very interesting in the possibility to bring some of the stuff into Debian armel architecture |
| 22:19:04 | Frank__L | specifically because of the fixed-point and other optimizations that are present in rockbox code |
| 22:19:14 | gevaerts | Frank__L: you'll probably want to talk to saratoga |
| 22:19:29 | Frank__L | k |
| 22:19:32 | saratoga | hey |
| 22:19:57 | Frank__L | hi |
| 22:20:04 | saratoga | we have some stuff on gerrit that lets you compile our codecs standalone on linux |
| 22:20:13 | Frank__L | that's cool |
| 22:20:27 | Frank__L | I've been trying to compile your libfaad on Debian |
| 22:20:31 | Frank__L | but it's not easy so far |
| 22:20:34 | saratoga | i use them for developing on arm-linux, so it should be useful for you |
| 22:21:05 | Frank__L | I'll check that out |
| 22:21:14 | saratoga | you won't be able to do that without either writing a lot of code, back porting our changes to stock libfaad, or using the standalone tool patches |
| 22:21:29 | CIA-44 | Commit 93cf878 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Test: check retrieved version string as well. |
| 22:21:29 | CIA-44 | Commit 674bbba in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Fix false positive in version detection. |
| 22:21:30 | CIA-44 | Commit b30df55 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Enable MPIO HD200 and HD300 installation. |
| 22:21:43 | bluebrother | timotimo: and fixed. Thanks for the input! |
| 22:21:50 | timotimo | you're very welcome :) |
| 22:22:13 | Frank__L | is my impression right that the basis of libfaad in rockbox is much older than the one in Debian? |
| 22:22:38 | Frank__L | i.e. in Debian they've been incorporating 'newer' upstream releases, like libfaad2 v2.7 |
| 22:22:42 | saratoga | Frank__L: yes, i believe we forked from libfaad in 2005 or so |
| 22:22:58 | Frank__L | oh dear |
| 22:23:02 | Frank__L | that'll be tough to port over :) |
| 22:23:19 | saratoga | i haven't seen much upstream stuff that looked interesting, but a bit has been back ported to us |
| 22:23:38 | saratoga | mostly though our changes involve rewriting libfaad to not suck, so we're not too interested in their stuff |
| 22:23:43 | pamaury | bertrik: is it on gerrit ? |
| 22:23:45 | Frank__L | is there a chance that e.g. your fixed-point WMV decoder finds its way back into ffmpeg? |
| 22:23:59 | Frank__L | I mean wma |
| 22:24:12 | bertrik | pamaury, no, but I can put a patch on pastebin |
| 22:24:14 | saratoga | i asked Michael about it some years ago and basically it seemed like it wasn't worth doing that |
| 22:24:21 | Frank__L | aw |
| 22:24:25 | CIA-44 | b30df55 build result: All green |
| 22:24:28 | saratoga | although over the years various people have gotten it to work with ffmpeg |
| 22:24:33 | saratoga | i believe VLC uses it for instance |
| 22:24:37 | Frank__L | it does |
| 22:24:45 | Frank__L | I'm trying to get a version that works with gstreamer |
| 22:24:47 | pamaury | bertrik: yes or recall me the address your previous paste |
| 22:24:49 | saratoga | not sure how up to date they are though |
| 22:25:11 | Frank__L | there was also a parallel implementation of fixed-point wma, right? |
| 22:25:18 | Frank__L | in one of the google summer of codes? |
| 22:25:19 | saratoga | i've been too busy to do much codec stuff the last two years, and most of that has been mp3 related |
| 22:25:22 | saratoga | parallel? |
| 22:25:28 | Frank__L | by someone else |
| 22:25:42 | Frank__L | let me find you the link |
| 22:25:49 | saratoga | i did the wma summer of code project if thats what you're asking |
| 22:26:01 | saratoga | theres nothign parallel about it hough |
| 22:26:11 | bertrik | pamaury, http://pastie.org/3580685 |
| 22:26:24 | Frank__L | oh I'm confused |
| 22:26:29 | wodz | maybe Frank_L means pp dualcore mp3 decoder? |
| 22:26:36 | Frank__L | it was a optimization of tremor |
| 22:26:45 | Frank__L | so vorbis |
| 22:26:48 | Frank__L | not wma |
| 22:26:57 | Frank__L | there are a couple of tremor versions around now |
| 22:27:01 | saratoga | yea |
| 22:27:01 | Frank__L | gets a bit confusing |
| 22:27:10 | saratoga | ours is believed to be the fastest on arm |
| 22:27:20 | pamaury | bertrik: ok, I'll that in one hour |
| 22:27:47 | saratoga | we've picked all the best bits from the different ones floating around, and then ported over new optimizations from non-tremor codec stuff |
| 22:28:03 | saratoga | although i think we could still squeeze a few more MHz out of it |
| 22:28:20 | bertrik | don't we have some problem parsing oggs, to skip embedded album art for example? |
| 22:28:23 | AlexP | gevaerts: On the basis that nobody else is likely to offer, might it be an idea to just through a few dates out there (or on the wiki or whatever) and see when seems best? |
| 22:28:26 | Frank__L | vorbis is not my biggest problem right now |
| 22:28:46 | AlexP | gevaerts: And then we might even be organised slightly before the last minute :) |
| 22:28:49 | Frank__L | as my goal is to play back different formats on an NSLU2@266Mhz. The tremor trunk from xiph does this |
| 22:29:01 | gevaerts | AlexP: good idea. I'll see if I can get a volunteer to start the wiki page :) |
| 22:29:09 | Frank__L | AAC and WMA are not possible in realtime unfortunately with the codecs in Debian |
| 22:29:17 | Frank__L | hence I'm trying to find better versions :) |
| 22:29:17 | AlexP | 266 is loads! :) |
| 22:29:21 | Frank__L | yeah it is |
| 22:29:35 | Frank__L | not enough for the default libfaad2 though |
| 22:29:42 | Frank__L | nor for ffmpeg's wma decoding |
| 22:29:46 | AlexP | gevaerts: Also, I clearly meant throw :) |
| 22:29:48 | saratoga | Frank__L: we do Vorbis 128k at about 20MHz on ARM9E :) |
| 22:29:55 | Frank__L | that's very nice |
| 22:30:16 | Frank__L | I wish the rockbox stuff would get picked up |
| 22:30:17 | AlexP | gevaerts: I nominate evilnick |
| 22:30:19 | saratoga | Frank__L: 266mhz is easily fast enough for these codecs |
| 22:30:24 | saratoga | are you running them in fixed point? |
| 22:30:32 | Frank__L | libfaad2, yes |
| 22:30:35 | Frank__L | there's also overhead |
| 22:30:44 | Frank__L | I'm running them with the gstreamer framework |
| 22:30:52 | wodz | Frank__L: What is your actual target? media center or something? |
| 22:30:57 | saratoga | with no optimization libfaad2 ought to take about 60MHz or so |
| 22:31:00 | Frank__L | a uPNP mediarenderer |
| 22:31:02 | saratoga | so you're doing something very wrong |
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| 22:31:38 | Frank__L | is it easy to profile where the cpu cycles go to? |
| 22:32:22 | wodz | on linux there is a bunch of profilers |
| 22:32:41 | gevaerts | AlexP: I've been assuming "mid may to mid july" basically, but that's not set in stone |
| 22:33:05 | AlexP | yeah, seems about right |
| 22:36:01 | saratoga | yeah apparently the straight late-2005 era libfaad check in was basically real time on an 80MHz ARM7 core |
| 22:36:53 | Frank__L | I wonder where all my cycles go to then :) |
| 22:37:10 | saratoga | what processor does the NSLU2 have |
| 22:37:15 | Frank__L | ixp4xx |
| 22:37:40 | bluebrother | AlexP: the manual claims that for clipv2, clip+ and fuzev2 the bootloader to boot into the OF when powered by USB |
| 22:37:46 | saratoga | oh xscale |
| 22:37:52 | bluebrother | and worse, it doesn't tell the button to boot the OF |
| 22:37:54 | saratoga | i have no idea how those compare to stock arm processors |
| 22:37:54 | Frank__L | ARM5TE |
| 22:37:59 | bluebrother | any idea what the correct button is? |
| 22:38:03 | AlexP | bluebrother: Damn people changing things and not the manual! |
| 22:38:05 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:38:11 | bluebrother | that pretty much explains all those support questions |
| 22:38:14 | AlexP | bluebrother: Left is my guess, but not sure |
| 22:38:38 | bluebrother | not only the behaviour has been changed, the manual hasn't been updated *and* its entry is even incomplete :( |
| 22:40:04 | bluebrother | nice, and the wiki page posted in the forums points to the manual on how to boot the OF |
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| 22:40:13 | bluebrother | great job :( |
| 22:40:32 | bluebrother | pamaury: ping |
| 22:41:22 | AlexP | bluebrother: yeah :/ |
| 22:41:24 | bluebrother | oh, I was wrong. |
| 22:41:36 | bluebrother | the manual does indeed have the button to boot the OF, and it's Left |
| 22:42:01 | bluebrother | ah, this kind of opting things is confusing :( |
| 22:42:03 | bertrik | RTFM! :) |
| 22:42:35 | * | bluebrother thinks a complete overhaul of the manual would be a really good thing |
| 22:46:14 | bluebrother | though I guess that there's nobody around to actually do it :/ |
| 22:49:58 | CIA-44 | Commit 47e30b8 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Update manual for boot behaviour on clip+, clipv2 and fuzev2. |
| 22:50:33 | bluebrother | that note is a bit in a weird place but better than claiming wrong things. |
| 22:52:20 | AlexP | bluebrother: Yeah, it could really do wit that |
| 22:52:21 | CIA-44 | 47e30b8 build result: All green |
| 22:52:38 | AlexP | But it is a massive massive amount of work |
| 22:52:51 | dfkt | does albumart.c needs a major rework to prioritize cover.bmp over cover.jpg? it seems that all in there is jpg-specific, and bmp always the last one to get called |
| 22:53:51 | bluebrother | AlexP: sure :) |
| 22:54:12 | AlexP | If we came up with a plan we could just slowly work on it in a brnch |
| 22:54:18 | n1s | bertrik: the issue with embedded art in vorbis files is a desgin flaw in tremor that we hit due to the very limited memory avalible to codecs |
| 22:56:07 | n1s | and the spec allows the metadata to be arbitrarily large IIRC so in theory you could have a vaild file with a 4GB AA embedded |
| 22:56:19 | bluebrother | might be something to discuss at DevCon, given that the main manual people are around |
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| 23:13:44 | saratoga | i'd at least like to overhaul the install section |
| 23:13:55 | saratoga | too much detail not directly related to the install directions all mixed together |
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| 23:36:35 | saratoga | Frank__L: did you figure out how much time your codec was actually using? |
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