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#rockbox log for 2012-03-17

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02:50:11cwho manages rockbox cloaks
03:00:38saratogai think we only give them to developers
03:00:51cthat's not why i asked
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03:02:05saratogai think scorche handles it
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03:46:31scorchec: i do - why?
03:48:44cscorche: i noticed an odd user named stummi in our project's channel with a rockbox cloak, and thought it was peculiar he was there when he really is involved with our project and he says he isn't involved with rockbox anymore either, but still has a cloak purporting himself as a developer
03:50:14scorcheyes - there is a Stummi who made a few commits to rockbox and asked for a cloak
03:50:48ci just wanted to bring it to your attention if you remove cloaks for users who aren't affiliated any longer
03:51:59scorchewe don't, really...he has/had commit access (depending on if he was still around for the git transition), and will continue to do so until he does something to get it taken away
03:52:06scorchethanks for the heads-up though
03:52:19scorcheif he wants it taken away, he can ask a freenode staffer to do so
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11:52:56pamauryTorne: ping
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11:56:05[Saint]Hi azhag, if you have a (Rockbox related) question, please feel free to ask it.
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12:56:49bertrikDid we get anywhere with clang? I think we did some experiments with that after fosdem 2010.
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13:03:44bertrikclang: error: the clang compiler does not support '-MG' :(
13:08:28bertrikwoo, after doing the deps with gcc, clang can actually build a clipzip sim, and it even runs (not exhaustively tested)!
13:11:00pamauryit's the ARM part which didn't work I think, clang works well for x86
13:13:57bertrikclang could provide a few more clues/warnings about possible bugs than gcc does, although most of it seems to be "initializer overrides prior initialization of this subobject"
13:16:42bertrikthe demac codec causes a compilation about unsupported inline asm, but mp3 plays (with some dropouts I think) in the clipzip sim
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13:20:12pamauryhow is __get_sp() supposed to work since it never returns ?
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13:29:24topsyandpip56Hello fellow Rockboxers, I'm having an issue relating to the iPod Mini 2G version of the software. The dualboot function of the RockBox bootloader seems broken, upon attempt to boot into the normal iPod OS causes a hang on the Apple screen until the iPod eventually reboots back into Rockbox. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. I did ask yesterday but nobody was able to assist me, sorry to repeat
13:37:07pamauryTorne: see c/rockbox/+/189">g#189
13:37:09fs-bluebotGerrit review #189 at,189 : Display function names in backtrace using -mpoke-function-name by Amaury Pouly (changes/89/189/1)
13:37:25pamauryOther people might be interested of course
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13:41:25topsyandpip56As a note, the bootloader is version 2010-05-25T22:02:42
13:49:58[Saint]As in, May 25th, 2010
13:51:18[Saint]My info tells me it should be 2010-05-26
13:53:27[Saint]All the iPod bootloaders should share this date, even the bootloader package ipodpatcher uses.
13:54:06[Saint](with the exception of Nano2G that hasn't updated in an age)
13:57:49topsyandpip56That's what it says
13:59:35topsyandpip56Yep definetely 25
13:59:42topsyandpip56I'll take a picture if you want?
14:00:40[Saint]No no...its fine. Its probably the difference in the creating time vs the time it was uploaded to the server.
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14:02:16topsyandpip56Could this have anything to do with the problem?
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14:02:30topsyandpip56Every time I've used Rockbox on my iPod I've had the same problem with not being able to use the normal firmware
14:05:02topsyandpip56I remember reporting this as a bug a while ago, but it was locked by somebody for some reason I can't remember
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14:22:49jlbiasinidoes someone knows why "make -j" to compile rbutil crash my computer while "make" do not? :(
14:23:16pamauryjlbiasini: make -j will spawn lots and lots of threads
14:24:23jlbiasinispawn? what do that means?
14:24:36jlbiasiniit used to work actually...
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14:28:40bluebrother^jlbiasini: it will cause a huge amount of gcc processes running. Which might overload your machine.
14:29:03bluebrother^I'd rather use make -j <somenumber> instead
14:29:32bluebrother^from my experience <somenumber> should be something up to twice the number of CPUs your system has.
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14:29:59bluebrother^since running more processes doesn't improve things (as said, from my experience)
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14:31:13jlbiasiniok thx!
14:33:52jlbiasinibluebrother^: so if I get it right I have to change the title and name class of the "this is a new installation or new version" dialog, adding a text widget to it and the check boxes
14:34:18jlbiasinithen do the necessary work to have the text widget display the last change
14:35:12jlbiasiniI could also add a two tab to the text: one for the last change and another for the former version change?
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14:35:51bluebrother^jlbiasini: no. You need to create a new widget −− that "this is a new installation" simply use a simple dialog provided by Qt.
14:35:56bluebrother^so you can't simply extend it.
14:36:40bluebrother^also, having tabs in it is a bad idea −− the idea is to have users to actually *read* it, not dismiss it because there are too many options (like another tab)
14:37:17jlbiasiniso the whole changelog ok I get it (slowly)
14:37:43bluebrother^just think of things like Titanium Backup on Android −− it always shows you its changelog when you updated the version
14:38:00bluebrother^and since the new entries are at the top there is no problem with old entries −− a user can simply ignore them.
14:38:27bluebrother^but separating last and older changes means to maintain this separation. Which at least I don't want to do :)
14:38:42[Saint]bluebrother^: it doesn't by default I don't think, You need to specifically enable this.
14:38:46[Saint]re: Ti Backup
14:39:05bluebrother^(another way would be to have the most recent entries at the end of the text and always scroll to the bottom when invoking the dialog)
14:39:05[Saint](besides the point I know)
14:39:12bluebrother^[Saint]: strange, it does this for me.
14:40:23bluebrother^either way, replace it with any other matching example if you like :)
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15:09:20bertriksilly idea: but what is really the meaning of 'long' on most embedded targets?
15:09:37bertrikisn't long usually also 32 bit like int?
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15:11:58gevaertsI'd say int and long are mainly there to help the people who write the headers that define int32 and int64 :)
15:13:30bertrikto me it looks like we have a random mix in rockbox and things might actually go wrong if long and int were actually different
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15:35:09*bertrik looks at old bug FS #11814
15:35:10fs-bluebot calendar.rock day of week is off-by-one (bugs, unconfirmed)
15:35:20bertrikthe calendar plugins is being horrible with dates and times
15:35:59bertrikapparently day-in-week number can range from -1 to 6
15:36:13bertrikI mean from -1 to 5
15:37:50bertrikit's a mess, yet it *does* account for some gregorian reformation in 1752 when determining leap year, clearly someone got their priorities wrong
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16:02:30[Saint]bertrik: Hey, thanks for questioning the "long" thing.
16:02:55[Saint]I'd wondered that myself, but I thought it might be one of those "this should be really obvious" questions.
16:03:15[Saint]So I refrained from asking.
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16:41:06jlbiasinibluebrother^: where does rbutil looks to check if it has already been launched on a machine. How can I fake a new install?
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16:44:01[Saint]On windows, I believe checking in %user%/application data/ for the rbutil specific files would do it.
16:44:47jlbiasiniand on linux? I had a look in /tmp but didn't find much...
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16:46:48jlbiasiniAll right thx!! I had forgotten this new standard and was looking for a .Rockbox directly in my user directory
16:47:26amiconnOn windows use %appdata%. That one takes localisation into account
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16:54:30bluebrother^jlbiasini: you can just override the code that detects a new installation to always trigger the dialog ;-)
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17:29:41jlbiasinibluebrother^: except when the check box has been unchecked
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17:43:12CIA-44Commit e5b5041 in rockbox by Amaury Pouly: imx233/fuze+: rework lradc/adc code, add external temperature sensing(battery)
17:46:40CIA-44e5b5041 build result: All green
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19:30:00jlbiasinibluebrother^: would something like that be appropriated?
19:32:35jlbiasiniI've reduced the height of the windows so that now its fits into the main windows's border
19:34:30b0hoonBagder, Torne, Zagor: Do any of you could add me to the committers group on gerrit, please?
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19:57:37Torneb0hoon: what is your name? :)
19:58:12Torneah, found you. done
19:58:22b0hoonTorne: Szymon Dziok
19:58:39b0hoonTorne: thanks!
19:58:40bluebrotherjlbiasini: yes, that looks good.
19:59:08bluebrotherthough I would consider making it a bit more generic, so it could be reused to show a changelog for the Rockbox installation after finishing the installation
20:01:11jlbiasiniif we do so we have to show the previous information windows about the config windows to
20:02:00jlbiasiniit means the user will have to click 2 times then config device... isn't it a bit too much?
20:02:55CIA-44Commit b67f1b2 in rockbox by Szymon Dziok: HDD6330: Correct voltage values, based on the values found in the OF.
20:02:57CIA-44Commit 740722f in rockbox by Szymon Dziok: HDD6330: Simplify strange OF voltage calculation, it's linear anyway.
20:03:57bluebrotherjlbiasini: why that?
20:04:12bluebrotherthe user gets a changelog displayed when installing a new version of Rockbox Utility.
20:04:37bluebrotherand when he installs a new Rockbox version (release?) he gets a changelog (read: releasenotes) displayed after successful installation
20:04:44bluebrotherwhy is that 2 clicks?
20:06:14CIA-44b67f1b2 build result: All green
20:06:42jlbiasinibecause he also get the previous message about "new version so you have to configure" if we take it out of the changelog dialog to havr it more generic
20:07:50bluebrotherwell, I'm sure we can come up with some way to deal with that.
20:07:52*b0hoon wonders why CIA replaced the order of the commits?
20:08:16bluebrotherb0hoon: because he could! ;-)
20:08:49b0hoonyes it's a bit scary
20:10:01jlbiasiniisn't there qt object that would display the text we send him as argument during the object creation?
20:10:30bertrikCIA can't really tell which one came first I guess
20:11:06jlbiasinisomething related with the relativity's theory?
20:26:55jlbiasinihum ok i'll will have a look to it
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20:38:45CIA-44Commit 2004f3e in rockbox by Szymon Dziok: Correct polish translation.
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21:17:33AlexPgevaerts: What's the release status, any news on the nano2G USB?
21:17:50gevaertsIt's not looking too good
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21:18:26gevaertsI believe funman didn't get a nano2g yet, and as far as I understood the possible revert he suggested didn't work out
21:18:44AlexPSo hang on for a bit I guess
21:18:58gevaertsAlso, I'd like to disable dircache persistence on h1x0. I need to look at what exactly that involves
21:19:10gevaertsand merge 2004f3e :)
21:19:13AlexPWhat's the issue there?
21:19:19AlexPWhat's that?
21:19:34gevaertsscroll up ten lines :)
21:19:47gevaertsand FS #12590
21:19:48fs-bluebot Dircache breaks when flashing rombox or rockbox on h1x0 (bugs, new)
21:19:59AlexPOh, interesting
21:20:08gevaertsI think we should get an RC build out tomorrow at least
21:20:14AlexPIs that new? I use rombox, but haven't updated the H100 in a long time
21:20:31AlexPI can't build the sh cross compilers by the way
21:20:41AlexPOr actually, I think it is the sh binutils
21:20:55gevaertsI think it's post-3.10
21:21:08gevaertsI can build. My compilers still work :)
21:21:08AlexPFrom a search it might be related to a newer native gcc
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21:22:19AlexPare you here for a bit? If I try to build them again I'd appreciate an opinion :)
21:22:36gevaertsI'm not going away
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21:28:59AlexPIt worked :)
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23:52:01b0hoongevaerts: how can i merge changes directly to a remote branch v3.11 from my local 3.11 branch?
23:52:59Tornejust push to v3.11
23:53:05Tornegit push origin HEAD:v3.11
23:53:14Torne(assuming it's the current branch you want to push)
23:53:52b0hoonyes i'll try it. thanks.

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