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01:27:07funmankugel_: i wish i was hiding the nanos :( the person told me his player was still available i hope to get it soon
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01:49:14KiwiCam I note that with the latest current build you can't play the Clip whilst it's plugged into the PC charge it. (Linux) I've tried unmounting it, but that doesn't work. Is there a setting somewhere to chagne this? Also, System/Rockbox Info no larger shows the Battery % when charging.
01:53:00JdGordonyou've *always* had to hold a button to have to charge instead of connect to usb
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01:58:26KiwiCamAlways? I've never had to do it before. I'll go read the manual.
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02:02:53funmanJdGordon: before USB was enabled it would default to charge only (rebooting to OF was buggy on AMSv2)
02:03:18KiwiCamAlso, why is the Sleep timer so deep in the menus now? Settings/General/Startup-Shutdown/Sleep Timer. It was nice when it was under System, ok when it was under Settings/Time and Date, but now...
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02:05:15KiwiCamOK. 3.3 USB charging. Hold any button down while plugging it in.
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02:06:15JdGordonfunman: ah ok
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02:08:15KiwiCamSo, I gather I can at least configure a shortcut for the Sleep TImer.
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02:22:04wheemanHey guys
02:22:52wheemanI have a Clip+ that I've just used RockBox Utility to install the latest (3.10) firmware onto. Everything works great, but it strangely only mounts as USB when I hold down the center button and plug into the computer (after being turned off)
02:22:59wheemanIs that normal?
02:23:05wheemanOr should it mount when I plug it in at any time?
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02:35:17funmani will meet a girl selling her nano for 50$ tomorrow
02:35:40funmanit's a 1st or 2nd gen, with dock and jack extensions at the bottom so according to it's a 2g
02:35:50[Saint]KiwiCam: Errr....not entirely.
02:35:52funman it's gray but i think 1st gens are gray too
02:35:57[Saint]You're halfway there.
02:36:15[Saint]But you're doing yourself some harm if you keep needlessly re-running configure.
02:36:31funmanhmm it's the same for the 1st gen ..
02:36:47funman[Saint]: does the picture look like a 2nd gen to you? the girl was convinced it was a 1st gen
02:36:50[Saint]1st gens are black or white.
02:36:56[Saint]And have a silver backing.
02:37:03funmanok so gray front is definitely a 2g
02:37:51funmanone guy told me 'ok you can get it' and a bit later 'sorry i gave it to family member' just today, so bad things can still happen
02:38:12funmanthe nano curse isn't over yet
02:38:14[Saint]The 1st gen basically looks like an elongated iPod Video/4G/Photo
02:38:27[Saint]2nd gen have an aluminium unibody.
02:38:38wheemanHey guys should I be able to mount a Rockbox device even when it is running?
02:38:43wheeman(when not in a recovery mode)
02:39:08[Saint]wheeman: Not an AMSv2 using 3.10, no.
02:39:36wheeman[Saint]: Cool −− so everything is working normally then
02:39:46[Saint]You need to update to a current build to get USB in Rockbox for AMSv2
02:39:56wheemanCurrent is not 3.10?
02:40:17[Saint]No, 3.10 is Release (which can be up to 4 months old)
02:41:33[Saint]The changes that enable USB in Rockbox for these devices were added *after* the 3.10 release.
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02:42:50wheeman[Saint]: So the upcoming 3.11 release should support it?
02:43:51[Saint]If its deemed stable, yes. Else just use one of the current builds already available.
02:44:20[Saint]There's still a high chance it will be reverted for the release.
02:44:51[Saint](people expect things in releases to "just work", and USB on these devices is really flakey)
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02:45:46wheemanGreat devices though :)
02:45:58wheemanOnce I get a high-capacity MicroSD card it seems this thing will be amazing
02:46:30[Saint]RBUtil lets you chose whether you want to install a Release, or current get USB working (hopefully) on your device *right now*, you'd simply need re-run RBUtil and choose the current build this time.
02:46:55[Saint]Alternatively, you could wait a week or so for 3.11
02:47:23[Saint](but as I said, that might actually end up reverting the USB change in favour of stability)
02:50:38wheemanI'll wait :)
02:50:48wheemanIt's no big deal to boot it like this to add stuff
02:51:00wheemanNow, how do I install other apps? I wanted to put the scrobbler on there
02:51:05wheemanIt's in the .rockbox folder yes?
02:51:54*[Saint] thinks its worth noting that he dug up another Nano2G, so can test <things> at some stage today (wrt: 3.11 Release).
02:52:29[Saint]funman: ^
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03:59:48funman[Saint]: i'll have the nano2g tomorrow hopefully at 5 PM (CET) and should find some time to work on it thursday or friday
03:59:51funmangevaerts: ^
04:00:24funmanis 50$ OK for the fund or should i negotiate a better price?
04:00:54JdGordonnegotiate a better price and pocket the difference! :)
04:02:50funmanJdGordon: the real price is $10 already.. woops
04:04:07*[Saint] sees nothing.
04:04:16[Saint]Carry on...yes $100 is fine :P
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04:36:22KiwiCam[Saint]: Sorry Saint. Not entirely what?
04:36:52[Saint]You mentioned re-running configure, you shouldn't do this.
04:37:52[Saint]Configure once, per target. Running it again is unnecessary, if you want to build for a different target, make a target specific build dir.
04:42:05KiwiCamAs per betrick's suggestion I've created two build directories: build-clipplus and build-clipsim The first run as an N and the second as S for SIM. I've only run the configure once for each. Have I done that right?
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04:44:43KiwiCamI gather when I wish to update the source code (from Git to me) I run "git pull −−rebase". Correct? I assume that that updates both builds.
04:45:26[Saint]Well...not entirely, but..."yes".
04:45:52[Saint]It does nothing with your build directories, but it does however update the source that both are built from.
04:46:47KiwiCamSo, how do I update the SIM and likewise the build folder I've set up to create an up to date .zip?
04:47:42[Saint]You do "git pull −−rebase" in /rockbox, then cd to your build specific directories and just run "make" again.
04:48:18KiwiCamGreat. Thanks.
04:48:54[Saint]Sorry, "make && make zip)
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04:52:13KiwiCamI'll be working on that code you suggested. Removing the %t gets it working. Did you guys decide if that was a bug, ie it should work, but it's not, or that it's just not meant to be run within an %and?
04:55:11[Saint]apparently its intentional behaviour now.
04:55:27[Saint]%t needs to be passed a timeout field.
04:56:02[Saint]so you'll need to do "%t(length_of_timeout_required)"
04:56:05KiwiCamNot following. %t(xx)?
04:56:42KiwiCamGood. I'm fine with that. I thought I'd tried that, but perhaps I didn't.
04:57:28[Saint]Yes. %t used to default to 1 second if it wasn't passed a timeout field, but it seems that it no longer does (intentional).
04:58:17[Saint]So instead of just "%t" you need to do "%t(timeout_in_seconds.tenths_of_a_second)"
04:58:36[Saint]ie. %t(2.5)
04:59:51KiwiCamI note that my uploaded Clip themes (Pulse ) isn't working as it should any more. The background in the Slider no longer shows. Is that something that you guys are aware of and working on?
05:00:31KiwiCam%t(x.x) is fine by me.
05:01:05[Saint]Run it through checkwps (your broken theme).
05:01:37KiwiCamYeah. I can do that now :) I've got Git installed now, don't ya know.
05:01:49[Saint]make another build specific directory, and then build checkwps for your target.
05:02:29[Saint]run "checkwps" without arguments for a description of usage.
05:02:45KiwiCamWill do. I did note that option in the /tools/configure
05:08:06KiwiCamOK. New directory/configured and ran make. Now where do I put the theme?
05:09:30[Saint]Whereever you please. You can either put it in the build directory, or pass the full path of the theme's location to checkwps
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05:14:54KiwiCamTo what level? What am I pointing it at to run? The .wps file?
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05:27:15KiwiCamI think I've figured it out.
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05:36:03snelli have a sansa fuze + and rockbox utility does not see it at all. win 7 does not display a drive letter but recognizes it. how can i install?
05:41:41snellnevermind, sorry. google is our friend
05:54:39JdGordon14:57 <[Saint]> Yes. %t used to default to 1 second.... <- that parser line was last changed Thu Jul 15 06:24:11 2010 so its not like it happend last week....
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05:57:05KiwiCamNo. I'm stuck. This is the only info I can find about checkwps Is this out of date? Or, do I just make a build-checkwpsclip directory and run ../tools/configure and then make?
05:57:49JdGordon[Saint]: that said.... it should be dead simple to make it go back to being an optional param, though %tfoo; makes the %t redundant anyway because the ; adds the timeout default
05:58:03JdGordonKiwiCam: you dont need checkwps
05:58:09JdGordonjust use the sim with −−debugwps
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06:00:24[Saint]oh yeah...i forgot the ims have debug output again.
06:01:18*JdGordon feels slightly bad about that taking so long
06:02:00[Saint]JdGordon: fwiw, I'd like to see the old behaviour back wrt: timeout tags.
06:02:09JdGordonlike I said, it is entirely pointless
06:02:37JdGordonyou're welcome to submit the patch though :)
06:03:07JdGordonshow me an example where it makes things less confusing and I'll tihnk about it
06:03:40JdGordonbut %xd(a,1)%t;%xd(a,2)%t; etc is no easier than %xd(a,1);%xd(a,2);
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06:06:19[Saint]wait...what? so just "foo; bar; baz" will alternate?
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06:07:50KiwiCamJdGordon: Great.
06:07:50JdGordonyou didnt know that?!
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06:08:23[Saint]JdGordon: no...
06:09:05[Saint]I though all alternating sub-lines requied %t
06:09:07JdGordonif that doesnt work then its accidentally broken, but I'd be insnaely surprised if that were the case :)
06:09:07KiwiCamMouse at 2: (8, 112)
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06:10:34KiwiCamJdGordon: Actually. I'd just been looking at that when you posted it.
06:12:33KiwiCamWith this %t thing. Do I understand correctly that the semicolon alone acts as the %t ?
06:13:20[Saint]Apparently, but, I had absolutely NFI about this.
06:14:42JdGordon%t doesnt make it a subline
06:14:45JdGordonthe ; does
06:15:16KiwiCamIn other words ";" represents a default of 2 seconds. The same as %t(2.0)
06:17:01JdGordon%t(2)one%t(2)two will just show a static line "onetwo"
06:17:11JdGordonone;two will show two alternating lines
06:17:24JdGordonthe only reason to use %t() is if the default timeout is not what you want
06:17:27KiwiCamSo, %; still spilts into two lines?
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06:17:42JdGordonno %; shows a ;
06:22:33KiwiCamThe manual is wrong I think:
06:26:32[Saint]well...thats not the manual, fwiw.
06:26:42[Saint]And, it *is* a wiki... :)
06:26:51JdGordonand it's not wrong
06:27:53KiwiCamIt's MY manual :) Luv's themes. Shouldn't "%; : Split items on a line into separate sublines" be "; : Split items on a line into separate sublines"?
06:28:13[Saint]No, because, that's wrong.
06:28:24[Saint]%; displays a semicolon.
06:28:56JdGordonand thats what the wiki says
06:29:43KiwiCam; splits into separate sublines.
06:29:51[Saint]Its funnt that you quoted the wiki specifically, but you still managed to make incorrect (for your use case) syntax.
06:29:58[Saint]*funny, too.
06:30:52[Saint]the first section you quoted simply doesn't exist.
06:31:01KiwiCamI'm a riot. Should there be a % in this line in the Wiki: %; : Split items on a line into separate sublines
06:31:07[Saint]And the section you believe it should be, is what it actually says.
06:31:29[Saint]No, there should no, and, there is not.
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06:31:36[Saint]*should not.
06:31:55[Saint]I'm looking at the wiki right now, and, there is no % in that line.
06:32:05KiwiCamI see what you did there.
06:32:43[Saint]The line says, and I quote: " ; : Split items on a line into separate sublines"
06:32:56[Saint]Notice the distinct lack of a %
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06:32:58KiwiCamI'll just leave my Screenshots for my own amusement...
06:34:00KiwiCamThese are not the semi-colons I'm looking for... o_O
06:34:10KiwiCams/b %
06:37:09KiwiCamSo, do I file the "Mouse at 2: (8, 112) Resume index 2E offset 1E3C75" as a bug? Is it a bug?
06:39:09JdGordonjust ignore that
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08:12:26*[Saint] wonders about the average number of glyphs in any one given Rockbox font.
08:12:50[Saint]Specifically, if its anywhere near 65K
08:13:14[Saint](I'm wondering why the upper bound for "Glyph Cache" is so damn high...)
08:14:15amiconnUnifont has everything in the unicode BMP that's not undefined or otherwise redundant
08:14:34amiconn>50000 glyphs iirc
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08:29:11KiwiCamI found the solution. I was using a %x( ) to draw a 128x1 bitmap. Changed it to %xl & %xd. Problem solved.
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08:32:41kugel%x() doesnt work anymore outside viewports, perhaps that's why
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08:40:34KiwiCamIt was inside a viewport actually. Was working up until around the 26th current.
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08:59:50[Saint]KiwiCam: Well, bisect the commit which broke it (it == %x), then lodge a bug report.
09:03:53JdGordondont bother, %x changed and im going to bet kugel said the answer
09:04:50[Saint]read brother, read.
09:05:01[Saint]he called it inside a viewport, apparently.
09:05:43[Saint]Yeah, I figured it was my turn to read something correctly today ;)
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09:27:10KiwiCamYou can look at the code here: You'll see that the %x( ) is inside the viewport. Line 73 %x(q,oneline.bmp,0,13)
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09:33:24JdGordonhmm, ok, that should indeed work
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09:37:25JdGordonjust FYI, 0,0 is no longer required on %x()
09:37:37JdGordonit puts thoe values in by default if they arent given
09:39:42JdGordon"%t(2.0)%ac%ca, %cb %cd;%t(0.5)" <- *why*?
09:39:54JdGordonblinking clock is supposed to look good?
09:40:52JdGordonKiwiCam: what target is this for?
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09:47:24JdGordonKiwiCam: crikey! that prgressbar is pretty awesome
09:48:20KiwiCamProgress Bar. You ain't seen nothing yet.
09:51:03KiwiCam"%t(2.0)%ac%ca, %cb %cd;%t(0.5)" It's been a while, but space constraints, as I recall. The Blinking Clock is only while paused. HOLD then TIME, HOLD then TIME.
09:51:31JdGordonhmm, OK, yeah you'll have to use %xl/xd for that
09:51:37KiwiCamTarget? Target audience???
09:52:40KiwiCam%xl & %xd are nicer IMO. I should have done it that way the first time.
09:54:10JdGordonI disagree
09:54:38JdGordonbut thats the only way to get what you want, %xd() redraws the image every time the screen is updated, %x() only draws the image when the viewport becomes enabled
09:54:41JdGordonso thats why it works
09:55:09KiwiCamI like that it means all the bitmaps are listed at the beginning in one place.
09:55:30pixelmathat can be done with %x as well
09:56:05JdGordonyou can put %xl anywhere in the skin
09:56:15KiwiCamIt wasn't that way just a short while ago. But, at least it's an easy fix. But there's an L missing Jd.
09:56:46KiwiCamTrue. I like them at the top.
09:57:05*JdGordon *really* needs to write a guide to skinning :p
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11:13:10JdGordondoes anyone know what needs to be done to make sure the sim gets a taskbar item in gnome?
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11:27:19CIA-44Commit 287bf71 in rockbox by Jonathan Gordon: sdl: Fix the sdl init so the sim will get a taskbar item
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15:52:20[Saint]JdGordon: belated pong
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18:19:45kugelJdGordon: ping
18:21:16kugelJdGordon: I saw you considered a BUTTON_FORCE_REDRAW button. actually I implemented that, although target-specific, on android. the lcd driver posts this, and keymap-android.c makes it ACTION_REDRAW
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19:40:29Misanthroposi like the sleep timer function in rockbox. but it has one disadvantage if used with a clip+ (and maybe others). you cant get it to the quickscreen
19:41:56Misanthroposi switch often between the timer and no time function - and that should go to the quickscreen. should something like that be discussed here or rather in mailinglist or flyspray?
19:44:53Misanthroposor rather the forum i guess?
19:59:41bluebrothereither here, the forums or the mailing list.
19:59:50bluebrotherFlyspray is not for discussing feature ideas
20:00:03bluebrotherthough IRC is likely to be the best option
20:05:00bertrikI'd like some developer opinions on FS #11814
20:05:01fs-bluebot calendar.rock day of week is off-by-one (bugs, unconfirmed)
20:06:43bertrikThe problem appears to be that targets with a pcf50605 RTC store the weekday separately in the RTC, and this weekday may be inconsistent with the actual weekday calculated from the other time parts (year,month,month day)
20:08:27bertrikI don't know how the weekday ever became out of sync (possibly the OF does this?) but a solution to make it always consistent, is to just ignore the RTC week day and always recalculate the week day from (year,month,mday)
20:09:00bertrikWe already have a function to recalculate it
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20:35:50KiwiCamSpeaking of the Sleep Timer. I like the ability to extend the sleep time upon button key press, but I'd like an option to exclude the volume keys, as when I'm listening to podcasts, the volume levels tend to change dramatically between tracks. Perhaps we can just set one button to extend the Sleep Time?
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21:16:57kugelbertrik: sounds reasonable
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21:27:20bertrikkugel, thanks. I can't reproduce the problem on my nano 1g, even after changing the date in the OF though
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22:02:58MisanthroposKiwiCam, I have been thinking about that too - but dont how easy it would be to implement. Have you heard of ReplayGain? It most likely is a nicer solution - since you dont have to adjust volume anymore
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22:35:13KiwiCamMisanthropos: I have tried it some time ago. It never really worked for me and now it would just be one more step in between gPodder and PuddleTag.
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22:55:15ssccany anticipated date for ipod classic stable?
22:55:31ssccis emCORE bios levereagable?
22:57:19LambdaCalculus37There's no date. No one's been really working on the port as of late.
22:57:32LambdaCalculus37People come and go, and people work on whatever strikes their fancy at the moment.
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22:58:39lebellium11:58gevaertsMake them depend on the last digit of the track time or something like that
22:58:41lebellium11:58gevaertsThat's still not random in the sense that it's always the same for a specific track, but still not bad I think
22:59:00lebelliumI know the tag for the total track time but how to get the last digit only? hum
22:59:28gevaertsright. Substring doesn't really do that I guess
23:00:03*gevaerts should have done that with negative values meaning "from the end"
23:00:20gevaertsFirst digit of total track time? :)
23:00:24gevaerts(not as random)
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23:01:57lebelliumand how to get the 1st digit? I'm not familiar with substrings
23:03:53gevaertsActually, have a look at the commit message for 31a05953e142b1ffff631cfb8b817880db7e4c27
23:04:15gevaertsI think it does almost exactly that (except it uses a different tag to get the first digit from)
23:04:33gevaertsOh, well, it gets the second digit
23:05:03CIA-44Commit 1f83d2c in rockbox by Thomas Martitz: lcd_fillrect(): Unify 16bit implementations (move to 16bit-common.c)
23:05:09gevaertsYou want %?ss(0,1,%pt)<image-1|image-2|image-3>
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23:06:00gevaertsThe first digit of total track time is going to be biased towards lower digits, so maybe you want to adjust for that in the image distribution
23:07:46CIA-441f83d2c build result: 14 errors, 0 warnings (Thomas Martitz committed)
23:08:18lebelliumI definitely don't really understand the substring tags :D I read the commit comment and CustomWPS again
23:09:10CIA-44Commit 04cd1fd in rockbox by Thomas Martitz: Remove left-over debug statement (oops).
23:10:10lebelliumfrom what I understand %?ss(0,1,%pt)<image-1|image-2|image-3> gets the 1st digit and not the 2nd
23:10:56lebellium and %?ss(1,1,%pt) would get the 2nd
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23:15:18lebelliumAm I right gevaerts? And why would it be biaser towards lower digits? I have 5 different pics
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23:16:01KiwiCamYou can also use ,number as well now in a substring, if that helps. %ss(1,1,%pt ,number)
23:16:43gevaertsTake your music collection, get the track lengths, get the first digit from there, and count. You'll find that 1 comes up a lot more than 9
23:17:09kugelgevaerts: the CC lines for librbcodec have the full path
23:18:19lebelliumthat's why I would rather use the 2nd digit than the 1st one
23:18:29KiwiCamMisanthropos: On second thoughts, I will take another look at Replaygain.
23:18:45lebelliumwhat does this "number" refer to kiwicam?
23:18:45KiwiCamWhat about using offset?
23:19:03gevaertsThen that won't work for very short tracks. But sure, use the 2nd if you like. It will still be a bit biased though I think, but probably less so
23:19:06KiwiCamIt converts a string value (which is what the result is) to a number
23:19:10gevaertskugel: where?
23:19:13KiwiCamI think.
23:19:20kugelgevaerts: when compiling
23:19:23JdGordonkugel: that wont work because the ui needs to redraw before the skin_render() call calls lcd_update() or you will see a screen flicker
23:20:01gevaertskugel: ah, right. No idea why...
23:21:30JdGordon[Saint]: I wanted to get you to test g#191
23:21:32fs-bluebotGerrit review #191 at,191 : skin_engine: Use a smart consistant skin refresh rate for all screens by Jonathan Gordon (changes/91/191/1)
23:21:52JdGordonlebellium: youll probably be interest in that patch also (if you want smooth progressbar updates in your theme)
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23:26:35kugelJdGordon: haven't tried your viewport percentage %V patch. however, after having thought about it more its usefulness is limited as there is still no way to center images (however still useful for text)
23:27:10kugel%ac%xd() should be possible :p
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23:27:54JdGordonjust implement percentage positioning on the %xl tag
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23:33:38lebelliumhum %?ss(1,1,%pt)<%xd(Aa)|%xd(Ab)|%xd(Ac)|%xd(Ad)|%xd(Ae)> shows Aa for all tracks
23:36:50KiwiCamIn verbal terms, what is it that you're wanting to achieve with the %ss result?
23:38:43lebelliumthat it displays a different no-album-art pic according to the 2nd digit of the total track time
23:41:20KiwiCamNo Album art pic? Your own bitmap? Perhaps %xd(<subimage label>,%ss(1,1,%pt,number))
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23:42:16lebelliumyep my own bitmap
23:42:57KiwiCamSo you have 5 bitmaps to choose from as random Album Art?
23:43:25KiwiCamtry what I suggested. Turn them into a Strip/
23:43:41lebelliumfor the moment I display them according to the file format (mp3, wma, flac etc) so not random at all :p
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23:47:27lebelliumwhat do you mean by "turn them into a strip/" ?
23:48:14KiwiCamA Bitmap Strip. Use %ss to choose which bitmap within the Strip to apply.
23:48:24KiwiCamSubimage number.
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23:48:36lebelliumah ok
23:48:43lebelliumit's already so
23:49:04lebelliumthe 5 designs are in one single bitmap
23:51:36KiwiCamWith the first digit of Total Track Time, you have 10 digits 0,1,2-9. Correct? Use a 10 image Strip. So, I'm thinking that this would do what you need. s %xd(<subimage label>,%ss(1,1,%pt,number)) Am I on the right track here?
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23:57:21lebelliumwell I guess it's too complicated for me.

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