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#rockbox log for 2012-03-27

00:00:15CIA-44d5f4391 build result: 20 errors, 0 warnings (Thomas Martitz committed)
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00:06:25[Saint]KiwiCam: Ummm....what?
00:06:58[Saint]x,y coords are quite universal, my dear.
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00:17:26CIA-44Commit 83cb2e5 in rockbox by Thomas Martitz: Fix warble and clean up/refactor Makefile.
00:17:39AlexP_kugel: Having fun? :)
00:17:54CIA-4483cb2e5 build result: 4238 errors, 17148 warnings ( committed)
00:18:36kugelAlexP_: :)
00:19:29KiwiCamThey are, but not everyone realises that.
00:20:24KiwiCamSometimes it hleps to state the obvious.
00:20:25kugelwow, what happened now
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00:21:54[Saint]"You ballsed up somethin', yo"
00:23:41funman;type=gigabeatssim why are logs empty ?
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00:26:27kugelNot my error, I don't think.
00:26:50[Saint]That's the spirit!
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00:31:38gevaertskugel: did you mean replacing ifeq lines by ifneq lines?
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00:36:07funmangevaerts: any hint on how to enable reboot on usb plug?
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00:36:51gevaertsfunman: with any luck, disable USE_ROCKBOX_ISB
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00:39:16funmanin usb.c try_reboot() is under (defined(HAVE_USBSTACK) && !defined(USE_ROCKBOX_USB))
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00:39:57gevaertsHm, wait
00:40:14gevaertsThat code *may* assume basic functionality
00:40:44funmannot only plug detection?
00:41:09gevaertsI'm not sure now
00:41:54gevaertsI *think* if you don't have USB_DETECT_BY_REQUEST, plug detection is probably enough
00:44:08gevaertskugel: sorry, I misread that entirely
00:44:41gevaertsHm, or not?
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00:49:17gevaertskugel: I suspect you need
00:49:24gevaertsThat seems to fix things for me
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01:23:34CIA-44Commit 215ac63 in rockbox by Frank Gevaerts: Fix makefile conditions
01:25:41CIA-44215ac63 build result: 0 errors, 2 warnings (Frank Gevaerts committed)
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03:23:35funmangevaerts: usb_acknowledge is never called
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03:27:13funmanusb_tick sees the USB_INSERTED event
03:29:18funmanwhich calls usb_enable(true), which has no effect on nano2g. and what should generate SYS_USB_CONNECTED_ACK ?
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03:40:14funmanthis ifdef hell is hopeless
03:43:55funmanok so try_reboot() is finally called but it doesn't work
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03:45:05[Saint_]You can imagine how quickly I decided to turn and run from the madness in this driver...
03:45:24funmani mean firmware/usb.c
03:46:45funman15% of that file is preprocessor directives
03:47:04funman[7]: why wouldn't system_reboot work on nano2g?
03:49:23funman[7]: gevaerts: g#181 updated (doesn't work, system_reboot apparently has no effect)
03:49:24fs-bluebotGerrit review #181 at,181 : Nano2g: reboot to OF (disk mode) on USB plug by Rafaël Carré (changes/81/181/4)
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06:51:21KiwiCamIt looks like the CustomWPS %if() is missing an ! It's missing in the Operator part. There are two ='s I think one should be !=
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06:54:55[Saint]KiwiCam: "==" is perfectly valid.
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06:56:59KiwiCamThen it's missing another =
06:57:18KiwiCamGood to know == works though.
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07:00:30[Saint]I'm not entirely sure what operators are valid, but, I meant that "==" is (or should be) a valid argument.
07:02:12[Saint]I'm pretty sure there's >=, <=, !=, >, <, and = for %if
07:02:46KiwiCamI assume that means "not equal to". Whatever it means, it's not in the WPS %if() logical comparison tag text. It states "operator is the comparison to do, any one of: =, =, >, >=, <, <= (when comparing against a string tag like %ia, only = and != work, and it is NOT case sensitive) "
07:03:56[Saint]I'll fix it up when I get home.
07:04:10[Saint]Going to run out of battery soon...
07:04:31KiwiCamAlso, I think there's a bug. I can do this: %?bc<%?if(%bl,=,010)<%pL(01,02,6,1,image,AlienH06.bmp)|>|%?if(%bl,>=,010)<%pL(01,02,6,1,image,AlienH06.bmp)|>> but not this %?bc<%?if(%bl,>=,010)<%pL(01,02,6,1,image,AlienH06.bmp)|>|%?if(%bl,>=,010)<%pL(01,02,6,1,image,AlienH06.bmp)|>> The only difference is the > sign in the first %if comparison.
07:05:06[Saint]Pastebin, please, please use pastebin ;)
07:05:18KiwiCamOK. Next time.
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07:10:51KiwiCam Why not.
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07:30:22kugelpgevaerts: thanks for fixing. I thought the build farm was borked (and I was tired) do I went to bed
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07:41:01qhorin[Saint]: thanks for getting JdGordon to look at and fix the dynamic scrolling. much appreciated :)
07:51:32[Saint]qhorin: So, its working now...?
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07:52:07[Saint]Also, no worries...not a problem at all.
07:54:30qhorinno idea, but building right now and will be testing shortly
07:56:18qhorinyup, working flawlessly :)
07:58:15qhorinhmm.. another thing that I noticed.. is it expected behavior, that the sleep timer menu does not have a context menu (e.g. for adding it to the quickmenu or shortcuts)?
07:58:42[Saint]I'm going to go with "probably not".
07:58:47qhorinalso despite leaving the sleep timer menu with the "cancel" action, the sleep timer gets set anyway
07:59:07[Saint]Ok, *that* is a bug for sure.
07:59:30qhorinI'd guess the bug was introduced when the new sleep timer options were added
07:59:40[Saint]Do you mind lodging a bug against this issue on Flyspray, please?
08:00:43qhorinsure thing. once I remember my account info from 2 years ago.. or maybe I will just re-register
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08:13:46qhorinwhat category would be suited best for the bug? UI or settings?
08:14:16JdGordonsleep timer is not expected to have a shortcut context menu option
08:14:22JdGordonthat is not a bug
08:14:51JdGordoncancelling the sleep timer does sounds like a bug though
08:15:06qhorinit has no context menu options at all, though
08:15:22KiwiCamIt would be nice if it did have a shortcut. I go to sleep with that thing every night.
08:16:06qhorinyeah.. pretty annoying to have to go through all sub-menus to set a sleep timer when already half asleep
08:17:03KiwiCamBTW. This DebugWPS error goes with my code above: %?bc<...H06.bmp)|>|%?if(%bl,>=,010)<%pL(01,02,6,1,image,AlienH06.bmp)|>> ^ 'Expected list close' Here
08:21:17qhorinso I am still a bit confused - should the sleep timer menu not have a context menu at all, or should it have a context menu but without the shortcut option?
08:22:04JdGordonnot at all
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08:25:53qhorinokay. would this be a valid feature request? given that basically all other (and imho many far less useful for quick access) menu options have said context menu and rockbox strives for consistency or has this been discussed and rejected before?
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08:28:30KiwiCamqhorin: I don't think anyone here actually sleeps.
08:28:34JdGordonwe dont take feature reqeusts
08:28:51qhorinKiwiCam: lol :)
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08:30:47qhorinJdGordon: would it be a valid discussion subject, or has it been discussed and shot down before? I would not want to unneccesarily clutter the board or step on any toes..
08:32:19JdGordonthere is nothing to discuss... someone just has to add the required code to make it work
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09:12:13[Saint]KiwiCam: You're not really too good at this conditional thing are you? ;) "%?bc<...H06.bmp)|%?if(%bl,>=,010)<%pL(01,02,6,1,image,AlienH06.bmp)>>"
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09:14:28[Saint]I assume you trimmed "...H06.bmp)" (for some reason)...if you didn't, then, you'll have to look at that, too...because if that wasn't trimmed at all, there's no way its valid.
09:16:12[Saint]Just so I know...can you see now where you messed up?
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09:16:45[Saint] "%?bc<...H06.bmp)|%?if(%bl,>=,010)<%pL(01,02,6,1,image,AlienH06.bmp)>>" <−− correct
09:17:21[Saint]"%?bc<...H06.bmp)|>|%?if(%bl,>=,010)<%pL(01,02,6,1,image,AlienH06.bmp)|>>" <−− incorrect and needless sections bolded
09:19:23[Saint]An easy way to tell if you've messed up a condition is if you have an odd number of condition brackets, you must always have as many <'s as you have >'s else you've left a condition open.
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09:20:10KiwiCamI'm the worst at these. The trimming was all debugwps. This is the line I was using %?bc<%?if(%bl,>=,010)<%pL(01,02,6,1,image,AlienH06.bmp)>|%?if(%bl,>=,010)<%pL(01,02,6,1,image,AlienH06.bmp)|>>
09:21:45KiwiCamSo, it's me. That's OK then. I'll keep working at it.
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09:24:58KiwiCamThanks. BUt, that won't work for me either. If I take out the > sign, it does.
09:25:13KiwiCamIn the first %bl
09:25:42[Saint]Hmmmm...that's, odd.
09:25:55KiwiCamI've struck this a few times.
09:29:47[Saint]I'm curious as to why you prepend a 0 to some vales (x/y), but not others?
09:30:28KiwiCamJust to keep things lined up. It's easier for me that way.
09:30:30[Saint]I'm willing to bet that's confusing things somewhat.
09:31:20KiwiCamI could use spaces.
09:32:42KiwiCamWith or without the extra padding, I still get the same debugwps truncated error.
09:34:28[Saint]Isn't your peak meter bar, backwards?
09:34:37JdGordonthe parser apparently doesnt liek >= which is fair enough
09:34:39JdGordonneed to fx it
09:34:48JdGordonuse %>=
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09:35:21KiwiCam[Saint]: No. The PB is all good.
09:35:25[Saint]Isn't it supposed to be %XX(x,y,width,height,filename,option(s))
09:35:50[Saint]as opposed to %XX(x,y,width,height,option(s),filename)
09:36:31JdGordon[Saint]: filename in his example is the second part of the imagae param iirc
09:37:13KiwiCamPerhaps I'm missunderstanding the Wiki? It works that way. I always put the actual filename after image.
09:37:34KiwiCamsame goes for slider, I think. God, I love those things :)
09:37:40[Saint]the wiki certainly seems to agree with me...
09:37:50[Saint]quoted directly: "%XX(x, y, width, height, filename, [options])"
09:38:06KiwiCamYou couldn't have changed it that fast ;)
09:38:19[Saint]check the edit time.
09:39:13KiwiCamI read that as to maintain backward compatibility.
09:39:31[Saint]"image Specify the image to use to draw the bar. The next param must be the filename of the image or the loaded image's label. If this option is not used a default image will be drawn instead."
09:40:26KiwiCamYes. Straight after Image.
09:40:46[Saint]but then its missing a param.
09:41:01KiwiCamBy default, does that mean %lxl ???
09:41:09KiwiCams/b %xl
09:41:39[Saint]What are you talking about?
09:41:41KiwiCamLike what for example?
09:42:07KiwiCamRight. Forget that. Tangent.
09:42:42KiwiCamGive me a minute to read this...
09:42:57[Saint]JdGordon: What actually happens there...neither the wiki nor the manual is clear on what happens when you specify "image" as an option.
09:43:23[Saint]Are you supposed to neglect "filename", eacape it with "-"...<other>?
09:44:32KiwiCamThe way I read that is IMAGE use the param image, followed by the filename, unless maintaining backward compatibility.
09:45:12[Saint]What are you on about backward compatibility? there's really no such thing.
09:45:19KiwiCamthen another param, say Slider,A where a is an %xl ref.
09:46:06[Saint]I'm aware of're missing the point I'm afraid.
09:46:07KiwiCamMaybe it's been updated since I printed this? I'll chekc the site.
09:46:31[Saint]the entire "image" param is totally useless as far as I can tell.
09:47:35[Saint]specifying the filename directly, as in: "%XX(x, y, width, height, filename)" should be exactly the same.
09:48:58KiwiCamI understood the old way was x,y,w,h,filename,options.
09:49:32[Saint]there's no "old way", there's no "backward compatibility"...
09:49:42[Saint]there's "the way its done", and that's all.
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09:50:42KiwiCamThat's the way it reads. "To maintain backward compatibility a filename can be given as the first option instead of using the 'image, ' tuple" So, my assumption is that I use something like this: %?mv(1.0)<%t(0.3)%pv(0,0,-,19,-,slider,J,nobar);%t(0.3)%pv(0,0,-,19,-,slider,K,nobar);%t(0.3)%pv(0,0,-,19,-,slider,L,nobar);%t(0.3)%pv(0,0,-,19,-,slider,M,nofill,nobar);%t(0.3)%pv(0,0,-,19,-,slider,N,nobar)|%t(0.3)%pb(0,0,-,19,-,slider,A,nobar);%t(0.4)%pb(0,0,-
09:50:47KiwiCamIt works.
09:51:18KiwiCamI happy either way.
09:51:54KiwiCamOh. Sorry. That's not a good example.
09:54:01[Saint]I can't for the life of me understand why the "image" param was added...
09:55:12KiwiCamSo, instead of: %pL(01,02,6,1,AlienH06.bmp) I use %pL(01,02,6,1,,AlienH06.bmp)
09:55:26KiwiCamForget the coma.
09:56:04[Saint]right, my point is, there's no reason to do so... ;)
09:56:17[Saint]I can't understand why there's two ways to do the exact same thing.
09:56:54KiwiCamSo that's great. Less work for me, after I fix everything up ;)
09:57:29KiwiCamThanks for pointing that out. So, what about the other one? The >
09:59:19[Saint]%XX(x, y, width, height, image, ident/filename) is the "better" way to do this...I can't understand why the old "%XX(x, y, width, height, filename) was kept...normally there's no issue with breaking themes in this way, if theme authors don't update, too bad.
10:01:31KiwiCamSo, I can keep the "better" way? At least I've saved myself some work in the short term :) They're my themes, so I don't care about backwards compatibility.
10:01:41KiwiCamI also really would like a way to move a PB within a viewport.
10:02:14[Saint]The only way to do that would be multiple conditional viewports.
10:02:24KiwiCamStrike that. The actual viewport.
10:03:06[Saint]A way to move a viewport == multiple conditional viewports :)
10:03:31[Saint]though I admit, that's rather painful to code.
10:03:55KiwiCamI was just thinking about the skinning issue that was solved.
10:04:01KiwiCamIt would be a lot easier.
10:04:47KiwiCams/b were. It would be pretty cold to be able to move viewports. I have some good ideas.
10:06:10KiwiCamLOL. My hands are so detached from my mind tonight.
10:06:21[Saint]Hmmm...I understand now why there's two ways to achieve exactly the same thing with the bar tag code, but the wiki and manual makes it *very* non-obvious (and actually directly misleading) about the correct syntax to be used.
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10:11:44KiwiCamI'll change that now.
10:13:50KiwiCamOh Yes! Come to Papa! I can't wait to try it on the Clip...
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10:54:07JdGordon[Saint]: gevaerts: apart from the speeling, how did the skin guide read?
10:54:50gevaertsJdGordon: I didn't read through it properly yet. I'll do that soon
10:55:10JdGordonwell, no real point till its finished :)(
10:55:11[Saint]It wasn't /awful/...there's a few technical points I disagree with (some strongly), but, it reads fine.
10:55:33JdGordoncan i guess? long viewport label names?
10:55:40[Saint]No no.
11:11:22gevaertsZagor: is there any news on commit emails?
11:11:56Zagorgevaerts: ahhh, no
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14:43:39CIA-44Commit b2202a3 in rockbox by Jonathan Gordon: skin_engine: Allow negative numbers for the start offset in %ss
14:44:15JdGordongevaerts: ^
14:44:34gevaertsBah, you beat me to it! (I forgot...)
14:44:48gevaertsApart from that, nice
14:45:54CIA-44b2202a3 build result: All green
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14:54:46JdGordonwho do i get to grumble at about the sleep timer setting?
14:55:50gevaertsJdGordon: I knew it was trivial, but I hadn't guessed it was *that* trivial :)
14:57:12JdGordonit is probably a bug in the parser that negative numbers are generally accepted as numbers
14:57:48gevaertsI propose not to fix that then
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15:03:31*JdGordon thinks the way the sleep time settings are implemented is just bloody broken
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15:36:46JdGordondoes TeX need anything special for a - to be displayed?
15:41:08*JdGordon pushes #g199 to gerrit and waits a day or two for comments
15:41:14JdGordon g#199
15:41:15fs-bluebotGerrit review #199 at,199 : quickscreen: optionally display the shortcuts menu instead of the QS by Jonathan Gordon (changes/99/199/1)
15:45:59CIA-44Commit 1d5a505 in rockbox by Jonathan Gordon: shortcuts: Don't enter shortcuts menu if there are none
15:48:01CIA-441d5a505 build result: 0 errors, 2 warnings (Jonathan Gordon committed)
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17:08:17funmangevaerts: i figured out usb reboot, it needs the storage driver for some reason
17:08:46funmanreboot is attempted once exclusive storage access is confirmed iiuc
17:14:45gevaertsThat makes sense, yes
17:21:36funmanneeding the storage driver, so we can reboot to OF because we can
17:21:43funmannot use that storage driver?
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17:22:26gevaertsWell, the logic is that you don't do USB if not everything can handle it
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17:34:15gevaertsActually, I'm not entirely sure you *need* storage
17:34:24gevaertsBut you need to unmount stuff
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17:45:26funmangevaerts: usb.c:380
17:46:07funmanusb_slave_mode is called from usb_handle_connected_ack
17:46:17gevaertsfunman: "exclusive storage access" isn't something that requires storage. It's a mechanism to tell all other threads to back off
17:46:31funmanyeah but in practice it means "storage driver"
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17:47:01gevaertsHow so?
17:48:29gevaertsThat's still not touching the storage driver
17:48:51funmani mean USB storage driver, not ata/nand/whatever
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17:51:17gevaertsOK, I see what's going on now
17:52:09gevaertsSo yes, it seems we can't really handle rebooting for usb without USB_STORAGE compiled in, which means we need a reasonably complete stubbed USB driver
17:53:59gevaertsWhich, given the way USB_ENABLE_STORAGE is defined in config.h is buggy
17:54:02funmanno real need for a stubbed driver
17:54:47gevaertsWell, in your case you have a driver
17:55:00gevaertsThe fact that it doesn't work well isn't too important for this case
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18:17:04funmanafaiu only usb_detect() is needed, not the rest
18:18:26gevaertsYou need more for linking usb_storage.c, which you don't actually need except for needing USB_ENABLE_STORAGE to decide you actually want to reboot
18:20:14funmanah ok
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18:20:46funmananyway system_reboot() doesn't reboot
18:20:55gevaertsI'd say that needs to be fixed, but for 3.11 explicitely setting USB_ENABLE_STORAGE is probably the better option
18:21:19funman g#181 iirc
18:21:20fs-bluebotGerrit review #181 at,181 : Nano2g: reboot to OF (disk mode) on USB plug by Rafaël Carré (changes/81/181/4)
18:23:12gevaertsfunman: doesn't the config.h change int there break AS3525v2?
18:23:55funmanpossibly, i didn't really care about breaking other stuff
18:24:05gevaertsAh, ok
18:24:22funmanit'll need looking when we have something working on nano though
18:24:45gevaertsSo as soon as it actually works it needs proper merging
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20:00:51MathieuRohalyI was wondering if someone could please add me to the WikiUsersGroup
20:01:14MathieuRohalyI saw a few typos on the FuzePlus wiki and would like to correct them
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20:06:43gevaertsMathieuRohaly: someone seems to be on it
20:06:51MathieuRohalyOh, sorry. I wasn't sure
20:07:50mortalisMathieuRohaly: done
20:08:13MathieuRohalyThank you very much
20:09:40MathieuRohalySorry, but I need help again
20:10:01MathieuRohalyI registered all fine, but when I login it didn't like my password
20:10:33MathieuRohalyso I went to the password reset page, and it says that my account has no e-mail address accosiated with it
20:10:40MathieuRohalywhat can I do?
20:11:43gevaertsSend an email to the address listed near the bottom of
20:12:08gevaertsMost of us here can give write access, but only a few people can actually do much more
20:12:31MathieuRohalyAlright. Thanks
20:13:07mortalisMathieuRohaly: try
20:13:44mortalisah, you can't login
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20:18:53MathieuRohalyAlright, I'm off. Thank you for the help
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20:54:11anewuserwoot, hi
20:55:12anewuserread recently that there were no users of sansa c250 that would comment on new development on that specific target
20:55:31anewuseri'm available for test on it just to let you know
20:56:59gevaertsThe issues are mainly with the v2. A fair amount of developers have v1s
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21:00:30bluebrotheranyone around that can do something about the theme server issue FS #12620?
21:00:31fs-bluebot Site doesn't allow to download Themes through Rockbox Utility (bugs, unconfirmed)
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21:16:45KiwiCamCIA-44: Could you please provide an example of how this negative number offset in %ss could be used?
21:19:51evilnickKiwiCam: Who are you trying to ask that question to?
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21:22:00KiwiCamSorry. I realised now that is was JdGordon: that did the commit. Jd? Does that mean that the Negative allows you to use it as a Right function?
21:22:25KiwiCams/b realise
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