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#rockbox log for 2012-04-02

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00:41:47pamauryrockbox logo on the creative zen x-fi3 \o/
00:46:54saratoga_i came online to ask you if you were working on the XFI3 :)
00:47:40pamauryI'm working on both xfi2 and 3. I was bored by the xfi2 so I decided to re the lcd of the xfi3 !
00:49:36saratoga_bertrik: is this safe?,28062.msg196403.html#msg196403
00:49:57saratoga_i thought the headphone on AMS wasn't directly coupled to ground
00:51:43saratoga_when the driver turns on AUDIOSET3_HPCM_on, isn't it actually disconnecting the headphone ground from the power ground?
00:52:30pamaurythe xfi3 OF is really strange: the screen is actually 176x220 (pretty standard) but the OF only uses 176x216 !!
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01:07:25MCraseI registered to contribute to the wiki and was told I needed to ask for write permission here. I was thinking of working on some of the plugin pages to add info about the clip zip (controls and what not). Possibly doing some work on the user manual as well.
01:08:21saratoga__MCrase: sure, whats your name
01:08:29saratoga__also, you don't need wiki write access to work on the manual
01:09:13saratoga__you can just post edits to it directly to gerrit (or flyspray, but we're phasing that out)
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01:10:05MCraseOk. Sounds good.
01:10:52saratoga__huh the new "add a user" button the wiki badly screws up on chrome
01:11:21saratoga__the wiki becomes unresponsive then shows me blank pages
01:12:12saratoga__Mcrase: try now, not sure if it took
01:12:22saratoga__the wiki is glitching for me
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01:13:09MCraseI think its working. It let me login when I tried to edit the page
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01:26:43[Saint]saratoga__: there's an "add a user" button?
01:27:29[Saint]oh, there we go.
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01:39:23saratoga__doesn't sort hte list though
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01:48:05MCraseyep its working. Added Sansa Clip Zip to the keys table on PluginRockblox.
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02:25:29saratoga__scorche: the forums software is eating my posts again, can you unban me?
02:28:57JdGordonsaratoga__: done
02:29:05JdGordonwhy are you so lucky? :)
02:29:22saratoga__i assume it dislikes outside links
02:29:30saratoga__and isn't smart enough to consider wikipedia different from spam
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04:13:24[Saint]JdGordon: please assure me that if you make the core handle LTR and RTL directly, that you'll still leave a way for skins to override this?
04:14:35[Saint]I've been thinking about it, and there may be cases where one might want to create a specific effect with their abuse.
04:15:46JdGordoni dont tihnk so
04:16:25[Saint]I can think of some amusing effects one could do with it.
04:16:50JdGordonwhy would the direction of the affect make any difference?
04:17:33[Saint]the scroll direction is flipped for RTL is it not?
04:20:36[Saint]Primarily, I was just looking at it earlier today and its a really easy fix to get all the cabbies (some already do) caring about lang direction and vp placement.
04:21:02[Saint]I mean, you're free to do it in the core, of course, but its a *really* small fix.
04:21:32[Saint]I was thinking of viewportifying the remaining cabbies at the same time.
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04:27:33[Saint]JdGordon: are you able to refresh my memory if I'm able to do %?xx<one_bar_tag|another_bar_tag>, or would it need to be two separate viewports with a bar each switched by the condition.
04:28:20[Saint]I seem to have it in the back of my mind that's not supposed to work.
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04:35:00JdGordon[Saint]: try it, i tinhk it does actually work
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04:48:06[Saint]as far as coding style, I assume the "approved" use for bar tags is "%XX(x,y,w,h,image,image_identifier,all,other,options)" as opposed to "%XX(x,y,w,h,filename,all,other,options)
04:48:34[Saint]JdGordon: ^ (since this should follow "correct" styling.
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05:17:18*[Saint] wonders if its safe to assume RaaA won't need to handle FM or Recording any time in the near future (ever?) for the sake of a little code policing.
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05:18:46[Saint](difference between %?xx<arg1|arg2|arg2||||> and %?if(foo)<arg1|arg2>)
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05:29:56[Saint]JdGordon: care to comment on the bar style above? (if you have an opinion)
05:31:09JdGordoneither are fine
05:32:16[Saint]when there's two ways to do things, and someone might potentially be learning from it, I often wonder what is "right" syntax.
05:32:30[Saint](or more than two ways, as if often the case)
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06:22:29[Saint]Hummm...interesting discovery.
06:22:56[Saint]The touch area "progressbar" doesn't seem to know about bar inversion.
06:23:02[Saint]JdGordon: ^
06:24:08[Saint]perhaps its just being weird for me. I'll clean this up a bit and test on target.
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07:11:19[Saint]Hmmm....because of my identifier choices, my bars look very odd.
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07:13:26[Saint]at least doing it this way means there's no "wait, where did this image come from?" for any new user trying to read the syntax. Every image called is %xl'd now.
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07:43:26Mirdoes the rockbox installer have to have an internet connection or can it install from a downloaded zip while being offline
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08:24:43[Saint]Mir: It can install from a cache, yes.
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08:49:58wodz_amiconn: why test_disk calculates transfer rate as (25 * (filesize>>8) / time) ? time is in tick units 10^-2 s filesize is in bytes? I would expect something like ((100 * filesize)/1024)/time
08:50:45amiconn...which is the same, just my solution is faster and less susceptible to overflows
08:50:56amiconn100/1024 is the same as 25/256
08:51:04amiconnand /256 is the same as >>8
08:52:13amiconnDividing first loses a bit of precision though
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08:54:04amiconnBut it avoids overflows
08:56:57wodz_amiconn: my point is that this is not time critical and makes it harder to read
08:57:20amiconnIt's susceptible to overflows though
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09:00:42Zagorwodz_, amiconn: simply add "100 * ( filesize / 1024 )" as a comment
09:01:12wodz_Is it really? The highest reported speeds are well below 10MB/s which in turn gives less than 100 MB in 10s testing period. This will not overflow with good margin of safety
09:02:00wodz_and btw. test_disk test only one type of unaligned access
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09:09:47amiconnWell, there were oveflows, otherwise Buschel wouldn't have implemented the fix, see
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09:14:16wodz_hmm, signed makes a difference
09:14:55amiconnSigned exactly makes up for a factor of two. If unsigned, it would overflow at ~16.6 MB/s
09:16:18gevaertsThe ipod video and gigabeat S can reach that if DMA is enabled
09:17:17amiconn100 MB in 10 s means that if you multiply first, and use *100/1024 instead of the reduced fractio *25/256, the intermediate is 10,000,000,000 which obviously overflows even unsigned 32 bit
09:17:37wodz_anyway I think comment would be a good thing
09:17:39amiconnEven *25 overflows signed 32 bit then
09:18:27wodz_why it needs to be signed?
09:19:41amiconnWell, use unsigned and see it overflow at ~16 MB/s (and probably deal with gcc signed vs. unsigned warnings)
09:20:31wodz_it overflows in calc so proper casting should do the job.
09:20:45amiconnDividing first avoids the overflow altogether, and since filesize is always a multiple of 256 it loses no precision. Using 1024 would
09:21:28amiconnWhy use 64 bit if you can do it in 32? This is embedded programming. No need to waste resources, even if it's not time critical
09:21:52wodz_true. Still I'll vote for a comment
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09:40:31wodz_where is the code which triggers boost on storage access?
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09:54:38wodz_thats truly amazing - test_disk on rk27xx gives either ~13/13/600kB/s or ~2400/2400/2600 for aligned access. For the very same code. I can't spot the pattern
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11:06:21CIA-44Commit 10c73cd in www by Björn Stenberg: Added missing robots.txt
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11:17:22ZagorFYI: is now closed
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12:17:01apchey guys, I want to download the 3.11 source but is 404. Can someone help me out?
12:17:56Tornedoesn't look like anyone uploaded the source for this release
12:18:05Torneyou can get it from the git repo, the tag is "v3.11-final"
12:18:11apcoh, the hyperlink on the main page is wrong, it should be:
12:18:14apcnote the v
12:18:35Tornedunno if that's manual or if the release script has changed.
12:18:47Tornein any case, if you are downloading the source you almost certainly actually want a clone of our git repo :)
12:18:50apcit is a mystery
12:18:53Tornethe tarballs are of limited value
12:18:59gevaertsThe release script for the source has been rewritten
12:19:12gevaertsZagor, Bagder: can you fix the filename on the server?
12:19:34apctorne thank god it is a 7z then (;
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12:20:27apcwouldn't cloning the git repo give some prerelease and unstable builds?
12:20:35Torneit will give you *every* version :)
12:20:46Tornereleases, development builds, the whole lot.
12:21:25apcat once?!
12:21:36Tornethe entire history of rockbox is in there
12:21:42Tornethat's how version control works
12:21:49Torneit's not even that big :)
12:21:50apcbut the git command would change right?
12:22:01Torneno, you just clone the entire repository
12:22:12apcgit clone git:// ?
12:22:15Torneonce you have a clone of it you can check out any release, branch or development build you want.
12:22:39apcoh, so a different command. i'm not that good at git
12:22:42Torneno, just clone it like that. it will check out the current tip of the development branch by default.
12:22:48gevaertsFor 3.11, "git checout v3.11-final" after you've cloned
12:23:11gevaertsAh, yes, sorry
12:23:27apcoh thanks
12:23:42apccos i used to use git (well i think it was svn before?) and it was always the latest version
12:23:45apcbut i'm not so edgy anymore
12:24:03Torneyes, svn only checks out one branch at a time
12:24:04gevaertsYou can do the same thing in svn, but it's not as convenient
12:24:08*[Saint] recommends apc look at
12:24:10Tornegit repositories contain everything
12:24:21gevaertsI'm not sure if actually working on the 3.11 is very useful though, unless you want to prepare a fix in preparation for a 3.11.x bugfix release
12:24:36Torneanyway, if you clone the repo once now, you can update it very quickly in future to get to any other build you want
12:24:45Torneit will only have to download things that are actually new/changed
12:24:47Tornenot the whole lot again
12:24:55apcthats a good idea, especially since i will be writing some patches
12:25:17apcis this release pretty buggy?
12:25:17Torneif you are going to write any patches, then 1) you need to be using git to upload them to our patch system and 2) you want to be developing on top of the master development branch, not 3.11
12:25:39Torneas gevaerts said, there's no point writing patches for 3.11 unless they are specifically bugfixes for 3.11 that don't apply to master
12:25:43evilnickapc: We'd hope not :)
12:25:44apcthese are just small, badly written patches for personal use :P
12:26:03Tornehave you considered writing them better and submitting them? :)
12:26:33gevaertsapc: I wouldn't say it's buggier than usual, but fixes can always be needed. In this case we'd like e.g. to get the nano2g back
12:26:47apcyeah! i have used so many patches other people have made, like the context-sensitive backlight and some other things
12:27:36apcalso the play-pause fade is waay too long by default (;
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13:09:29wodz_pamaury: ping
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13:13:12Zagorgevaerts: renamed
13:14:49pamaurywodz_: pong
13:15:16wodz_pamaury: are you going to commit safe_read* and friends?
13:16:14pamauryyeah, but I need to split out the patch in two: safe_read* + weak alias for interrupts and functions names (+configure which needs to be tweaked)
13:16:37pamauryhm, I could even do that right now in fact
13:19:38wodz_pamaury: I think bx lr is wrong in _get_sp() but I can't find the interworking funman's macro name to do it right
13:20:14pamauryI haven't looked at it but I'm pretty sure it exists too
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13:28:57pamauryI thought it could be in lib/arm_support but I can't find it
13:29:44wodz_arm_support contains only optimized div/mul
13:30:05wodz_it was ldrpc or something
13:31:15pamaurythere is some code in setjmp.S
13:31:48pamauryhah ! in config.h
13:31:56pamaurydamn, you were faster than me
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13:33:43pamaurybut is bx lr really wrong ? I thought the problem was when popping pc using ldm
13:34:10pamauryTorne: can you help on this matter ?
13:36:23wodz_doesn't bx clear T bit?
13:38:57pamauryit seems to me that bx is designed to work under all conditions: it sets T according to bit 0 of lr (if you do bx lr)
13:39:42pamauryit's available on armv5 and armv4t
13:42:52wodz_hmm, you are probably right
13:43:20wodz_ldrpc macro seems to confirm this
13:43:20pamauryI'm not an ARM expert so don't believe me ;)
13:53:17Tornebx is the correct return on everyting except armv4 non-t
13:53:32Torneon armv4 it doesn't exist and will die with undef
13:53:48Torne(needs to be mov pc, lr instead)
13:54:24Torneso unless we need to support, say, ARM710, we should be able to just write bx lr
13:55:03Tornethe interworking return that's a problem is as pamaury says, when popping pc with ldm
13:55:13Tornewhich doesn't work on ARMv4T and you need to load it into a GPR and then bx to it
13:55:23Tornewhich is a hug efucking pain in the ass :)
13:57:32Tornehm, our macro is only for ARM, not thumb :/
13:57:37Torneso the painful case is missing :p
13:57:53Torne(on thumb you *can't* pop into lr, so you have to pop into another register instead)
14:06:44wodz_pamaury: ok, so only linking error on arm RaaA is left
14:07:01pamaurywhat is linking error ?
14:08:57wodz_see the gerrit comment
14:10:03pamauryhmm, does the unwinder actually works on RaaA ?
14:10:21wodz_yes it does
14:10:37pamauryhow are exceptions handled ?
14:11:10wodz_I guess process segfaults
14:11:36pamauryso it uses a signal to handle it then ?
14:11:58pamauryah stupid of me, it's also used in panicf
14:12:28pamauryhmm, then it gets tricky because we need to have OS specific code to do this safe_read
14:13:20TorneYeah, on android you would have to trap SIGSEGV to do a safe read
14:13:47Torne(you may also want to trap SIGSEGV anyway and treat it like a data abort, of course :)
14:14:03Tornei'm not sure if debuggerd is very happy about these kinds of shenanigans, though
14:14:24Tornedebuggerd ptraces a bunch of signals and uses them to create tombstones and so on
14:14:40Torneat least on userdebug/eng builds of android; not sure if it bothers on user
14:15:06Tornefor now we could just not do this on android
14:15:10Tornejust assume reads are safe.
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14:15:55wodz_yeah, I'll add safe_read* only on native targets
14:16:14wodz_bah, *I would
14:17:33Torne(if you were feeling particularly optimistic about the future of android, there are much cleverer ways of handling crashes there, like using breakpad to produce minidumps that someone can look at with a debugger later)
14:17:41Tornefuture of rockbox on android, i mean :)
14:19:05wodz_lets leave this for kugel ;-)
14:19:23Torneyeah :)
14:19:43Tornei just mean, on android we have the resources to actually save a real crash dump pretty easily, which can then be combined reliably with symbols off-device
14:19:59Torneso while the unwinder is better than nothing, it's not as good as a "conventional" linux crash handler
14:20:41wodz_sure. unwinder on RaaA is a side effect
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15:30:44pamauryI have split the patches into 4 pieces, reviews are welcome
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19:35:39riadI think my clip+ is bricked. Holding down the power button doesn't help. When I connect it to a computer the screen remains black but Win 7 Starter starts looking for drivers (and finds none) and OS X displays a 4.2 MB disk named "UNDEF storage Media"
19:36:35riadbefore this happened I had all the data corrupted on the player. I managed to reinstall the stock firmware but now that won't boot either. Any ideas?
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19:53:48riadwell, showed up on OS X as UNDEF storage Media in Disk Utility at any rate. Finder just says it's unusable and needs to be initialized
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19:54:43saratoga_bertrik: is it possible that the clip Zip has the battery reading off the wrong A/D channel?
19:55:01saratoga_i've seen a lot of people say they get very different readings in rockbox then the sandisk software, even though the calibration looks ok
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20:09:58CIA-44Commit eb6c658 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Remove espeak from TTS list on Windows.
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20:18:06riadon OS X I get fdisk: illegal option −− l
20:18:30riad this tells me to use linux but I don't have that installed on anything I have access to at the moment
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20:28:17CIA-44eb6c658 build result: 1 errors, 0 warnings (Dominik Riebeling committed)
20:29:03bertrikhas anyone tried to reproduce the e200 radio problem?
20:36:52bertrikcan't find my e200, but my c200 radio does not work with 3.11
20:37:44AlexPoh, that's not good
20:38:16AlexPany idea what might have caused it?
20:38:39bertrikmost recent change in the driver is the tuner_power() stuff
20:39:15AlexPDoes anyhting else share the same tuner?
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20:40:31bertrikmeizu m6 (unusable), cowon iaudio 7, e200v1, c200v1, cowon d2
20:41:29bertrikI'll try reverting the last change to the driver and see if that makes a difference
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20:42:30bertrikmeh, need more git skill
20:43:07bertrikI was hoping to do a revert with git revert <hash> lv24020lp.c
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20:46:50AlexPCan't help there I'm afraid
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20:49:19bertrikhm, reverting the tuner_power stuff (on HEAD) does not fix it, so there must be something else going on
20:50:22bertrikat least when reverting the tuner_power stuff in just the lv24020lp.c fm tuner file
20:54:19*bertrik bisects
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20:55:45riadso… no help with the bricked clip+? I guess I'll just buy a new one, the case was broken too and the screen had dead lines
20:57:31funmanriad: follow that wiki page you just mentioned, there's nothing else to do
20:59:58riadit's not working, I guess the player is dead for good. oh well
21:00:10riadI'll make do with the iPhone until I can get a real player again
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21:22:15bertrik906e90eb7b036214b2ee48ad2219e1ef679ee7d1 appears to be the culprit for the lv24020lp.c problem
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21:29:31gevaertsbertrik: maybe timing?
21:30:31bertrikI think some assumption about the radio already being on or off
21:31:09gevaertsHave a look at lv24020lp.c line 748
21:31:20gevaertsDoesn't that one say "return if not powered"?
21:31:35gevaertsi.e. isn't that tuner_power(true);
21:31:39gevaertstoo late?
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21:35:55bertrikyes possibly
21:36:07gevaertsI think makes it match more closely what was there before
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21:37:16*bertrik tries that on target
21:39:01bertrikthat works
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21:45:19bluebrotherbertrik: you're aware that you can .describe 906e90eb7b036214b2ee48ad2219e1ef679ee7d1 ?
21:45:19fs-bluebotMove radio power handling from apps/ to drivers. by Amaury Pouly (from Sun, 5 Feb 2012 14:58:10 +0000)
21:45:19*bluebrother should cleanup the bot completely and then write a short overview in the wiki
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21:45:21gevaertsI'm not sure about si4700.c (the changes are a bit too big to understand immediately), and I'm a bit suspicious about tea5767.c. The others look ok at first sight
21:46:52bertrikI think the idea is that instead of the radio code directly calling tuner_power, it calls tuner_sleep in the tuner driver instead, which then does tuner_power (if proper for that tuner)
21:47:15gevaertsYes, that part is clear
21:48:12gevaertsIt's just that I'm not sure if tea5767.c isn't calling tuner_power(true) too late now
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21:51:06gevaertsDoes FM work on the AMS sansas?
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21:51:51bertrikyes, it works on AMS sansa (like my clip zip)
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21:52:22gevaertsok, so si4700.c should be OK
21:52:53gevaertsIt's just that releasing a 3.11.1 with one tuner fixed and then having to follow up with 3.11.2 for another one would be rather silly
21:54:59bertrikagreed. I'll try AMS sansa HEAD just to be sure.
21:55:46bertrikyup, still works
21:56:07gevaertsok, h120 works, so tea5767.c seems fine
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21:57:04gevaertsSo if I didn't miss a mistake in one of the other drivers it's just lv24020lp.c
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21:59:12gevaertsbertrik: will you commit or shall I?
21:59:22bertrikIf I could find my e200 I'd test that too
21:59:45AlexPI think mine is in the loft sadly
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22:02:37bertrikI think we should test e200, because that was the target the bug was reported against
22:02:59gevaertsI found mine
22:03:19bertrikplease tell us what rockbox version was on it :)
22:04:25gevaertsQuite recent I'd say :)
22:07:00gevaertsAlexP: do we release 3.11.1 immediately (e.g. as soon as we can get it built and put in place by a Swede), or do we add this to the release notes and wait a few days to see what else turns up?
22:07:26gevaerts(after I've tested on e200 of course)
22:07:36AlexPgevaerts: Well it is fairly major I think
22:10:05gevaertsseems to work
22:10:07pixelmaare there other tuners as well? I know of the older type some Archos have (a Samsung one, I believe) but I only know of LinusN owning one of those
22:11:04gevaertspixelma: there are a lot more, but all of the others were changed in a much more obviously correct way
22:12:04*bluebrother thinks that giving people a couple of days of finding other problems for a dot release is acceptable :)
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22:12:20AlexPyeah, I agree with a day or two
22:12:40AlexPBut not much more, we ought to get a fix out for this quite quickly
22:12:46AlexPEspecially as it is now fixed :)
22:13:02bluebrotherpeople that do have a major problem with that can always use a current development build :)
22:13:32bertrik1 or 2 days looks like the sweet spot for me too
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22:14:29CIA-44Commit 416da22 in rockbox by Frank Gevaerts: Call tuner_power(true) from the correct place for lv24020lp.
22:14:41bertrikgevaerts, has a list of tuner chips in use in rockbox targets
22:15:13CIA-44Commit 107cfc2 in rockbox v3.11 by Frank Gevaerts: Call tuner_power(true) from the correct place for lv24020lp.
22:16:03gevaertsHm, do we close that bug report, or only after 3.11.1 is actually out?
22:16:43gevaertsI fear that if we close it too soon, we'll get duplicates
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22:18:04bertrikI checked this out because of a mail on the mailing list, don't know if there's a flyspray bug report for this yet
22:18:15gevaertsThere is
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22:18:35gevaertsI'm replying to it now
22:18:41gevaerts(the FS one)
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22:21:06gevaertshm, roolku's systems seem to have vanished
22:21:53gevaertsAnd a few others
22:22:14*gevaerts found his client stuck earlier today
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22:25:20gevaertsBuild client ML notified
22:25:39bertrikouch, april 1st had a build with just 5 clients
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22:29:59AlexPbertrik: Yeah, that took ages :)
22:30:33AlexPIf that is what we are reduced to I'll add my atom back in :)
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22:31:37bertrikgevaerts, the rda5802 tuner still works on my clip+
22:31:39gevaertsDoes anyone remember at what time the server disappeared on Saturday?
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22:33:54gevaerts16:59 apparently, which seems to be an hour after my client got stuck
22:35:11CIA-44416da22 build result: 1 errors, 0 warnings (Frank Gevaerts committed)
22:35:54gevaertsIt seems we don't have any client with the ypr0 toolchain
22:36:03bertrikI have it, IIRC
22:36:35bertrikadvertising it as arm-ypr0-gcc446
22:36:35ender`gevaerts: my server got stuck around 15:57
22:37:14gevaertsbertrik: you only joined later in the build, right?
22:38:11gevaertsOK, maybe the server only looks at clients that are there from the start to determine which targets can be built. That would be a bug then I'd say
22:38:18gevaertsender`: ok, so fairly consistent
22:39:03gevaertsSo getting things going properly again is very probably just a matter of people kicking clients
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22:40:57ender`i just hit Ctrl+C and it started working
22:41:19gevaertsYes, same here
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