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#rockbox log for 2012-04-04

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00:15:51scanyone working on improving the functionality of the ipod classic 6g 160gb? any anticipated stable release?
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00:17:42saratogasc: several patches have been committed in the last few days (see git log)
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00:52:40scsaratoga: thanks
00:53:16scforgive my inability to navigate the internet, but what is the quickest way to get to/view the git log?
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00:55:38saratoga"code changes" link on the front page
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01:21:40rashertheme site should be updated with 3.11 now
01:23:03saratogarasher: can probably remove the link to the old theme site now too
01:23:22saratogaalthough i guess it might be useful if someone wants to look at old themes for ideas so maybe not
01:23:45rasherKeeping it around doesn't really hurt
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02:19:08CIA-44Commit bc41926 in rockbox by Michael Giacomelli: More completely flush WMA decoder state on seek to prevent artifact.
02:22:23CIA-44bc41926 build result: All green
02:28:17saratoga"with a stale samples"
02:28:23saratogagood grammar i had there
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05:57:21funmanbluebrother: sed -i.orig works on OSX
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06:53:18echelonhi, would this run rockbox?
06:53:34echelonfound a deal for it on
06:53:52scorcheechelon: all of the devices rockbox supports are listed on the front page
06:54:11echelonk :/
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07:19:08KiwiCamHi. I've uploaded my finished theme. This page states that it works with the current build. It does, but this link says that it doesn't debugwps returns no errors. Any ideas as to what's causing this conflict?
07:20:41JdGordonlooks like the checkwps script is broken
07:22:53KiwiCamIf it's of any help, my guess is that it has to do with my "innovative" use of the Progress bars, probably the Alien Face as the PB's go outside of the viewport. That was deliberate to get the effect I needed.
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07:36:42KiwiCamSorry. Peak Metres pL & pR, not Progress Bars.
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08:49:35wodzmortalis: I suspect you get one pixel instead of two just because you transfer 32bits in one transaction while you configured 1 pixel to be 16bits
08:49:52wodzerr, other way round - two pixels instead of one
08:50:48mortaliswodz: yes, I allready know. Now it works fine
08:50:59wodzoh, cool - pastebin
08:52:01wodzI still wonder where 1022 comes from. Thats truly weird amount
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08:59:35kugelpwhat kind of horrible lcd is that?
09:00:16wodzmortalis: so you perform full lcd update actually, right?
09:00:51wodzkugelp: rk27xx lcdif part. lcd controller is quite sane
09:01:20mortaliswodz: yes, actualy it full update + (LCD_WIDTH*LCD_HEIGHT)%1022
09:01:23kugelpI guess 1022 because 1023 (2^10-1) is not a odd
09:01:31kugelpis odd*
09:02:23wodzkugelp: still transfering *always* 1022 pixels is rather weird
09:03:46kugelpy in the inner loop?
09:03:51wodzmortalis: what happens if you put something past 1022 in lcd buf?
09:04:19mortaliswodz: nothing, it writes 1022
09:04:25kugelpso its vertically oriented. if you lay out the frame buffer this way you can do memcpy
09:05:08wodzkugelp: the descent target is to use hw DMA transfers
09:05:46mortaliskugelp: in current configuration yes, but this display could be configured horizontally oriented.
09:06:02wodzkugelp: the actuall mem layout is not a problem as dma engine uses linked lists and can do scatter reads and writes
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09:10:54wodzhmm maybe in hw dma mode lcdif resolves this itself
09:11:10*[Saint] should probably check if his latest changes actually work.
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09:13:45[Saint]UI Questions: If the lang is RTL, does the user also expect things like volume display to fill from right-to-left?
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09:14:18[Saint]Do they, also, expect UI buttons to be mirrored?
09:15:26[Saint](I though, for example, that a progress bar that fills from right-to-left and a volume bar that fills from left-to-right would be confusing (it would be for my LTR brain, anyway)
09:15:41[Saint]*I thought
09:17:38[Saint]Google helpfully(?) tells me Torne has shared some views on this via G+
09:17:41n17ikhdunno.. on say, nicovideo, the progress bar is normal
09:17:48n17ikhnormal here being left-to-right.
09:19:00[Saint]I thought I'd invert the fill direction, as in cabbie there is a time elapsed/remaining text underneath it and it seemed practical to have that read from RTL also.
09:19:54[Saint]a lot of info seems to suggest that I should also mirrow the user controls.
09:20:07JdGordon[Saint]: tomers says everything shuold be mirrored
09:20:26[Saint]JdGordon: I just found several pieces that say the same...yeah.
09:20:33[Saint]That'll be an easy fix.
09:21:05CIA-44Commit a54072e in rockbox by Marcin Bukat: (Author: Amaury Pouly) arm: fix get_sp (missing return)
09:21:11[Saint]a/easy/easy-to"at least only moderately annoying"/
09:22:00[Saint]JdGordon: is tomers "Tomer Shalev"?
09:23:56CIA-44a54072e build result: All green
09:32:04JdGordon[Saint]: yes
09:32:17JdGordonwhich is why im going to do this in the parser automagically
09:32:53[Saint]Hmmmm...I guess I need to mirror the icons themselves in the case of play and volume.
09:34:07[Saint]JdGordon: what? how will that work? you can only handle the text.
09:34:36[Saint]you can't decide all vp's need to be flipped because its RTL.
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09:36:53[Saint]or inverting the fill on bar tags automagically even though it might totally break the look. etc.
09:37:07[Saint]I'm not sure that theme authors having to car is such a bad thing.
09:39:27JdGordontheme authors *dont* care
09:39:59[Saint]nor should we make them.
09:40:06[Saint]we have one theme to worry about.
09:41:47[Saint]rely on making the default sane, and you keep writing your "good practice" doc, and leave it up to them to create good or broken themes accordingly.
09:45:48[Saint]I might be wrong, but I think a RTL user would rather use a theme designed only for LTR langs then a theme designed for LTR langs that has been kludged into having RTL support it was never meant to.
09:46:13JdGordonI'm not so sure about that
09:47:10[Saint]think about, for instance, the shape of the cabbie volume "bar" and hor broken that would look filling from the other direction.
09:47:22[Saint]*how broken
09:48:19[Saint]there's a little bit more than just "flip everything" to consider. (unless bitmaps or horizontally symmetrical)
09:51:38JdGordonbitmaps used in bar strips would be horizontally flipped
09:52:07JdGordonskip/seek buttons owuld be wrong though
09:52:47[Saint]Heh...I was just typing out that scenario.
09:53:04[Saint](re: seek/skip)
09:56:00[Saint]I *suppose* you could tell the parser to swap their functions when %Sr is true, though.
09:56:39JdGordonhmm.... that might work
09:57:00JdGordonerr... it should only be an issue for touch anyway
09:58:08JdGordonthe most sensible thing is to probably add a tag to disable RTL-smartness for the skin
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10:11:17[Saint]JdGordon: you could probably use the presence of any lang direction aware tag to signal "author seems to know what they're doing, let them do it"
10:11:47[Saint]ie. %aL, %aR, %ax and %Sr
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10:32:55JdGordon[Saint]: good point
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10:48:56gevaertsKiwiCam: I'm confused about your theme. The theme detail page says it doesn't work, but the per-target list ( says it works...
10:49:01gevaertsrasher: any ideas?
10:54:16*gevaerts forces a new checkwps run
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12:34:35JdGordon[Saint]: if I did that it would only be disabled at the first time any of those tags are found... so unless the default viewport had it you might have wierd effects
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12:37:23*JdGordon wonders how the heck rtl works in skins currently :p
12:37:30[Saint]JdGordon: Oh...hum. That's not nice.
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12:38:15[Saint]to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure if it does. :)
12:40:08JdGordononly the bars and AA seem to have an special handling
12:40:20[Saint]I know that checks for lang direction work, but, I can't say I actually check everything renders correctly...nor would I know if it didn't.
12:41:25[Saint]JdGordon: you mean %ax isn't working, or?
12:41:31JdGordonwell, a viewport aligned on the left should be on the right with rtl
12:42:00[Saint]only if the %ax tag tells it to.
12:42:00JdGordonyes... it shold
12:42:14[Saint]it won't do it automagically, and never has.
12:42:15JdGordonright, well i dont see %ax handling for viewports
12:42:45[Saint]Hmmm, its likely I was about to bump into that, then ;)
12:43:56*JdGordon whips up a simple test sbs
12:45:03[Saint]I was about an hour away from sitting down to sort out making the playback controls RTL-aware.
12:45:29[Saint]I'll leave it, for the now. Let you get "your" end sorted out.
13:00:11JdGordonyeah, %ax viewport doesnt work
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13:24:02JdGordonwe need more israeli developers :p
13:24:07JdGordonrtl is massivly broekn
13:28:38JdGordonhaha RTL is massivly broken
13:29:15JdGordonin cabbie, in the useual " X of Y " text hebrew has the "of" in a prety random letter order
13:30:08KiwiCamI've just updated my ALiEn theme as I discovered the UFO Progress Bar wasn't animating. Still getting the same Current Build error though :(
13:30:27gevaertsJdGordon: we now use git for storing letters, so you can't just sort revisions anymore and expect a correct result
13:30:47JdGordonit should be FVTM but it displayed as MFVT
13:36:27gevaertsKiwiCam: I don't see what's wrong. The theme is marked as failing on the clip (due to memory constraints) and passing on clipv2 and clip+ in the database on themesite
13:38:04gevaertsHm, does the detail page use the target to decide which checkwps result to use?
13:42:32gevaertsKiwiCam: ok, it seems the detail page doesn't take the target id into account, so it will pick a random checkwps result for the theme, which in your case seems to be the one for the clip (where it fails). I'll have a look at fixing this later.
13:44:41vsrinivashi folks! i run rockbox -master on a sansa clip zip; when playing from a uSD card, it perodically stops playing, the player needs to be restarted to access the card again.
13:44:56vsrinivasanyone seen anything like this? bug-filing time?
13:45:06gevaertsrasher: I'd like to move the theme site checkout to git tonight or so. Do you expect problems if I make a diff there, then apply that to my local git tree and commit, and then make a new checkout on the site?
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13:51:22gevaertsvsrinivas: I suspect it's worth it to file a bug about this, yes
13:51:50JdGordonvsrinivas: is it a specific card? or all that you have?
13:52:34vsrinivasall i have;
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14:14:02pixelmavsrinivas: does it happen at the same "spots" in a track or randomly?
14:15:17vsrinivashave rebuild the fs-es on cards more than once, fscked them, etc, to try to run that out.
14:15:31vsrinivasnever happens on material from the internal storage.
14:15:42[Saint]JdGordon: actually...your idea of mirroring bitmaps in %ax'd viewports (with a tag to turn rtl-related smarts off if you want to) would actually help (my cause, at least) a fair bit.
14:17:17[Saint]...I think.
14:17:21vsrinivasis there any infrastructure for gdb-ing a running rockbox from a host?
14:17:31JdGordonamiconn: are you round? I assume you're the best person to talk to about text drawing issues... RTL seems to be drawing in the wrong order (no diacritics(?) involved)
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14:20:27wodzvsrinivas: what you mean?
14:24:38JdGordon[Saint]: yeah, i dont know if that is even really doable currently :)
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14:34:08[Saint]well...I'll keep coding and assume you'll get viewport mirroring working again at least, and just handle it with different viewports/images for now ;)
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14:38:41JdGordon[Saint]: probably not a safe asumption.. im off to melbourne for 10 days or so which means i wont be around much
14:41:08[Saint]I'll branch first then ;)
14:49:57rashergevaerts: good idea. No, I don't see why that wouldn't work
14:50:40gevaertsOK. As soon as I've done that I can start fixing some things that have been annoying me :)
14:50:59*gevaerts wants HTTP redirects for themes that were replaced by newer versions
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15:34:19pamaurywhat is the target with the minimum amount of memory ?
15:34:33gevaertsthe archoses or the clipv1
15:34:40gevaertsActually, the c200v2, probably
15:34:49gevaertsSame amount of memory, but colout screen
15:35:34pamauryhow much memory does it have ?
15:36:31gevaerts2MB, plus around 300KB on-chip RAM IIRC
15:37:29pamaurynot that bad
15:38:29gevaertsThe logik dax has 1MB, but we never got very far on that one
15:38:38gevaertsSo I'd say it doesn't count
15:39:14*pamaury wants to port rockbox on a target which only has 512Kb
15:39:35gevaertsGood luck!
15:40:02gevaertsIt might be possible, but it's not going to be easy
15:40:26gevaertsAt least we'll see fixes to almost all HAVE_WHATEVER bits in apps/ from you :)
15:40:47pamaurythe only reasonable option I found so far is using virtual memory for the read-only parts (ie code)
15:41:26funmanpamaury: codec buffer is ~300kB already
15:41:47pamaurycodecs will have to get smaller :)
15:42:01funmanwhich target is that ? (and cpu?)
15:42:13pamaurycreative zen style m300, stmp3770
15:42:15gevaertsI'd say dropping some codecs on for the initial port is quite reasonable if it helps you get things working
15:42:37pamauryrunning the main binary will already be a challenge
15:44:04pamaurybut that's not for now, I have two targets before :)
15:44:34gevaertsAnd MTP and usb audio :)
15:44:55pamaurymtp is not high on my list, but usb audio is
15:48:40pamauryand I will add bluetooth also :)
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16:10:24pamaurywhen will we decide the DevCon date ?
16:12:09gevaertsI hope before next week
16:13:16gevaertsBagder: do you know if Zagor or LinusN have decided/found dates yet?
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16:31:50LinusNgevaerts: preliminary info in the wiki
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19:16:52amiconnJdGordon: What do you mean exactly with "wrong order"?
19:17:34*amiconn doesn't know that much about RTL text, since he is unable to read any of the RTL scripts, just dealt with it a bit as part of the unicode stuff
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21:06:06wodzmortalis: ping
21:06:16mortaliswodz: pong
21:07:06wodzmortalis: any progress?
21:09:14wodzmortalis: why did you change lcd orientation?
21:11:39mortaliswodz: it always was vertical, I didn't change it now
21:12:13mortaliswodz: i think it would be better to make it normal (horizontal oriented)
21:12:21CIA-44Commit 7d53b7b in themesite by Frank Gevaerts: Update theme site repository to match what's actually on
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21:15:13wodzmortalis: I am missing something fundamental most probably but I can't make it work on my dap
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21:16:47mortaliswodz: what it displays? paste your diff
21:17:37wodzI run bootloader containing this:
21:19:54wodzit gives no output on lcd
21:22:05mortaliswodz: swap LCD_HEIGT and WIDTH
21:22:26mortalisyour display horizontally oriented&
21:22:51wodzyep its 400x240
21:23:53wodzno change
21:27:01CIA-44Commit f6a9d68 in translate by Frank Gevaerts: Update to match what's currently on
21:29:23wodzwhat the hell? memset was the culprit
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21:30:09mortaliswodz: ?
21:31:03wodzmortalis: if I remove memset form the pastie it works (I mean I get some blue pixels)
21:31:20mortalisbtw, it isn't necessary to change VERT_PERIOD
21:31:32mortalis0xfff should work
21:31:51wodzI know, I tried to be as close to workin code as possible
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21:32:33wodzinteresting - HOR_BP/VERT_BP have influence on how much pixels I get on lcd
21:32:45KiwiCamMorning. gevaerts: Thanks. How do I take my theme back down? I see that the volume isn't working as it was anymore. So, I might as well check everything again properly before reuploading.
21:33:11gevaertsKiwiCam: I can hide it for you if you like
21:34:24mortaliswodz: if i set HOR_BP=2 it writes 1023 pixels. If 3 or more i get weired results
21:35:02mortaliswodz: try to call memset after lcd_bypass(0);
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21:36:08wodzmortalis: If I set HOR_BP=1 and comment out VERT_BP=1 I get quite a lot of pixels
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21:37:31mortaliswodz: IIRC I get a lot of pixels to but some picies displays several times in different places
21:38:25wodzmortalis: ah right, I saw this behaviour earlier. Gonna put some pattern to see
21:42:40gevaertsrasher: there seems to be some old cruft on the theme site (weird directories like "hemetemp", old database backups, old temp directories...). Do you know what's what there?
21:44:17rashergevaerts: not really. I don't think Ii'm responsible for much of it, if any
21:44:45gevaertsUsing the git version is a bit more involved than I had hoped
21:44:58gevaertsThings like it using www/ instead of public/...
21:45:18gevaertsAlso some permissions
21:46:38gevaertsscorche: could you find some time at some point to help move the theme site to git?(and later the translation site, but that still needs to be updated to use git itself too...)
21:48:43CIA-44Commit 4b56ee0 in rockbox by Thomas Martitz: Refactor and unify objcopy calls in the build system. Also now properly handles DEBUG builds on hosted targets to keep debug symbols if necessary.
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21:51:23CIA-444b56ee0 build result: All green
21:56:28KiwiCamgevaerts: Thanks. I've uploaded a fix. It all seems to be working correctly now.
21:56:41gevaertsOK, that works too :)
21:56:48KiwiCamHeh heh.
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21:58:44KiwiCamI don't seem to be getting the volume artefacts any more either, so that's a real positive. I wish I could find a way to make the UFO stop blinking.
22:00:41KiwiCamPEOPLE!!! Thanks for all your efforts in this project, and thanks especially for the Skinning changes. I don't mind repeating that. Without those changes I could never have made this theme.
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22:05:16wodzmortalis: If I read HOR_BP, VERT_BP I get 0x360036 and 0x90009 (I mean before overwriting).
22:08:41mortaliswodz: #define HOR_BP (*(volatile unsigned long *)(AHB1_LCDC + 0x20))
22:08:58mortaliswodz: according to datasheet it 16 bit
22:09:14mortalissame with VERT_BP
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22:10:55wodzthis probably explains 'symmetry' of values
22:11:16wodzbut still this are much greater then what we tried
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22:41:44kugelhm, touchscreen show an extraneous touch event
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22:47:01bluebrothersomeone around with access to the server?
22:47:20*bluebrother looks around for Zagor
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22:48:12Bagderzagor is away until next week
22:55:09pamaurybertrik: ping
23:02:13bluebrotherBagder: can you check the genlang script on the server? Since the svn server is disabled now getting the voice strings even for 3.10 doesn't work anymore :(
23:03:42bluebrotherI'm under the impression that the server doesn't have the latest version from git, which should fix this
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23:14:33Bagderit seems to use the latest git
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23:20:54cenobyte_I am looking for help with the rk27xx platform, I have a Trio tch 1643 that runs a rockchip 2705
23:22:07cenobyte_I posted to the forums and someone said to check out irc
23:25:42cenobyte_lol typical irc experience...
23:26:28cenobyte_is wodz here?
23:27:14pixelmahe just left 20 minutes ago
23:27:54cenobyte_do you know his timezone so I can see when to check back
23:28:35pixelmahe's in the middle european timezone
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23:33:45cenobyte_i guess i'll take this time to thank you all for making and supporting rockbox
23:34:03cenobyte_I have a sansa clip I may want to reflash with rockbox but am undecided
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23:37:24gevaertssaratoga: would bc41926 be good for 3.11.1?
23:37:53saratogagevaerts: i probably wouldn't bother, its not very noticeable
23:38:55saratogaif i want to checkout something from gerrit, do i want to make a branch, or cherry pick it?
23:43:17Torneifyou want to just try a patch from gerrit on top of what you currently have, cherrypick it
23:43:40Torneif you check it out, or make a branch from it, you will get their change on top of whatever *they* had it on top of
23:43:50Tornewhich may be an older/newer/entirely different version of rockbox :)
23:43:56saratogaah ok
23:44:37Tornesince they are commits, not patches, and thus normally they come with their entire history. cherrypicking them gives you just the patch in that one commit.
23:45:20bluebrotherBagder: strange −− then I have no idea why it isn't working for 3.11 (or even 3.10) :(
23:45:36Bagderbecause it is plain buggy perhaps?
23:45:41saratogawhats the difference between pull and cherry pick?
23:45:49bluebrotherwell, I've tried it locally and it works for me
23:46:26Tornepull will attempt to merge that commit *and all its ancestors* into your branch
23:46:27Bagderwell, it goes through a CGI that you probably didn't use locally?
23:46:35bluebrotherbut in general I'd like to see a different approach. My idea was to create those lists during build time and put it on the player along with the lang file.
23:46:35Torneas a merge
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23:46:49Torneso if your branch is at least as recent as theirs was, it will add two commits: theirs and a merge
23:46:56bluebrotherI've called the cgi locally (i.e. directly using perl). Is there something else I should try?
23:46:59Torneif yours is older, it will add all the commits they had that you don't, as well :)
23:48:15bluebrotherthe git access itself does work, since I get the correct list if I replace the version number 3.11 with the matching git hash

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