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#rockbox log for 2012-04-08

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00:27:46[Saint]saratoga: rather like how the only news the project has pretty much ever had is "Version <foo> Released" ;)
00:28:27[Saint]We seem to like to take a "the source documents our change-log/news" approach. ;p
00:31:15saratogayeah i've been saying for years that a kind of blog style news thing that everyone could update would be nice
00:31:44saratogabut i don't know anything about web stuff
00:35:50saratogai've always liked the simple software used
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01:24:20CIA-44Commit 80f9577 in rockbox by Frank Gevaerts: in master has to wait for the actual release.
01:25:14pamaurydoes the SYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED event has a standard meaning for its argument ? The codebase always uses but I guess there is no problem in using the argument for something in the driver internally ?
01:25:28gevaertshmm, that might have been too late
01:25:56gevaertsOh, the server updates instantly now
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01:27:00CIA-4480f9577 build result: All green
01:28:25gevaertsAlexP_: I've put a new commit on gerrit (g212). This time I purged it from my local repository, so I won't push it accidentally again
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01:38:20KiwiCamlebellium: When using the Sim to check out your theme debugwps gives me "SDL_WaitEvent() error Segmentation fault" It works on restart as your comments in the Theme notes suggest though.
01:39:54lebelliumKiwiCam: indeed, the reason is a mistery to me... It's like that since the beginning in November. If a developer is willing to focuse on that issue... :)
01:41:09KiwiCamChanging to another theme seems to be causing a bit of havoc...I have to go back to the failsafe and then into another theme....
01:41:28gevaertsIs there a bug report about this?
01:42:27lebelliumnope, as the theme loads fine after reboot I never take time to report it
01:43:23lebelliumUSB connection doesn't work with the theme either
01:43:40lebelliumI have to use dfkt or another theme to connect it to the computer
01:44:01lebelliumI don't know if my theme is too "big" or complex for the Zip or what... hum
01:44:54pamauryhum, the SD driver of the imx233 is becoming much more complex than I expected...
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01:46:22KiwiCamI'm going to file a bug report, if that's OK everyone for the key mappings on the Simulator. I get the same issues with both the Clip+ and Zip Sims. Such as not being able to change time in the Sim, or use the H button (goes back to menu instead of Lock screen).
01:48:08KiwiCamlebellium: I'm not familiar with some of the tags, but your code looks fine at a casual glance.
01:49:33KiwiCamlebellium: Can you please do me a favour and try out my ALiEn theme on your Zip. I'd like to get confirmation that the Charging is working fine and that there are no obvious issues on the Lock Screen. Would you mind?
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01:50:08lebelliumI already tried it but did not remember who designed it :D That's the issue with real names vs nicknames
01:50:36lebelliumI try it again more carefully now
01:52:03[Saint]"Changing to another theme seems to be causing a bit of havoc...I have to go back to the failsafe and then into another theme...." known issue, no sane fix.
01:52:23[Saint]If one theme sets values the next theme doesn't un-set, or re-set, "weird things" happen.
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01:53:31[Saint]theme authors need to remember to "blank" fields they don't apply specifically, but another theme might.
01:54:02saratogacould the skin engine reset fields on load?
01:54:22[Saint]Probably, yes. But it doesn't intentionally.
01:54:42saratogawhy is that?
01:54:48[Saint]If it reset on load, you couldn't "mix&match"
01:55:07saratogado we really want to be able to do that?
01:55:21gevaertsWhich settings are theme settings, and which aren't?
01:55:37[Saint]Yes, because there's nothing stating that a theme should be "complete"
01:55:55[Saint]a theme can be just an .sbs, or just an .wps, or .fms, etc.
01:56:03lebelliumKiwicam: as you only made wps and cfg file, coming from my theme the sbs looks strange, it uses my sbs with another bigger font :D but the WPS works fine. Connection to the PC also works
01:56:16gevaertsThe thing is that our entire "theme" support really just is a config file convention
01:56:21saratogasure, but if you load a theme file, isn't it implied that the theme should be contained in that file?
01:56:42saratogai don't see why state should survive loading a new theme file, although loading a new SBS makes sense imo
01:57:44[Saint]gevaerts: I believe its dictated somewhere...whatever parses themes for upload to the theme site knows what acceptable values are/aren't.
01:59:23[Saint]There used to be (likely still is) some really ugly things that could happen...
01:59:44gevaerts[Saint]: The theme site has an *editable* list of allowed settings, yes. I'm not at all convinced that that list is suitable for this
02:00:07KiwiCamAh yes. I left this active in the ALiEn.cfg in the theme folder. Put a hash at the front of it. I might reupload that. (I like big fonts in my menu's/no icons/no sliders)
02:00:10[Saint]like one theme setting the fg color black, and not specifying a bg color, and another setting the bg color black, and not setting an fg color...then, you can imagine what happens if you swap between the two ;)
02:00:58KiwiCamfont: /.rockbox/fonts/16-GNU-Unifont.fnt −−- forgot to paste this.
02:01:13[Saint]the above was particularly hilarious if you didn't use the line selector.
02:01:50lebelliumKiwiCam: big font is not an issue. The issue is that if you don't make an SBS, you don't know what the player will display instead. In my case it displays my theme SBS with your font, that looks ugly :S
02:02:43[Saint]lebellium: "USB connection doesn't work with the theme either" ...Errrr...what!?!?!
02:02:45KiwiCam[Saint]: When you say "blank" fields. What fields? In where? The .cfg?
02:03:07[Saint]lebellium: do you have a bug report for that?
02:03:13[Saint]that is simply CRAZY.
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02:03:31[Saint]a theme should *not* be able to prevent USB from mounting...that's just....nuts.
02:03:47lebelliumthat's the case though :(
02:03:53[Saint]report it.
02:04:08[Saint]that is a seriously messed up bug.
02:04:29KiwiCam[Saint]: So, my Artwiz-snap fonts are coming through to your SMS? How do I stop that? Apart form making my own SMS ;)
02:04:34lebelliumAnd my theme will never load properly at 1st try. A reboot is always necessary
02:05:15[Saint]KiwiCam: there's nothing your theme can do about that...
02:05:45[Saint]The next theme to be loaded needs to specifically declare its font(s), if it doesn't want to use the current userfont.
02:06:50lebelliumis something particular necessary to mount the player? I mean, has the playback to be stopped? Should I be on the WPS or the SBS when plugging it to the computer?
02:09:45lebelliumlooks like USB connection only works if the player is OFF while it works when it's ON with the other themes
02:09:46[Saint]KiwiCam: if you want to make sure that your theme will unload any .sbs currently loaded, have your theme .cfg do "sbs: -" (or whatever the config item is called)
02:10:25[Saint]lebellium: report this craziness, along with as much detail as you can, and your theme sources, please.
02:11:11lebelliumShould I report the other bug (theme never loads properly at 1st try) together or 2 separate bug reports?
02:11:17saratogaprobably also useful to know which part of your theme is needed to trigger the bug
02:11:26saratogalike if its a specific tag that causes it
02:12:00[Saint]lebellium: I think its ok in this case to list it as one bug report.
02:12:30KiwiCam[Saint]: I see. I'll have a look at the "sbs: -" thing Saint. So, that then means, the user wil be forced to reload another SBS, if they don't like the default SBS?
02:12:30[Saint]as well as what saratoga said, if there is anything specifically required to trigger this that you know of, please list it.
02:12:59saratogaif you can find a specific tag (or narrow it down to a few tags) then i'm sure that makes it much easier for someone to trouble shoot
02:13:00[Saint]KiwiCam: Ummm...I think I confused myself.
02:13:09[Saint]KiwiCam: Does your theme use an .sbs or not?
02:13:12saratogaalthough its possible its not some specific tag, in which case you might not be able to narrow it down
02:16:44lebelliumok I'll look at it tomorrow and try to identify the problematic tag if any
02:17:47[Saint]The simple fact is, this simply shouldn't be able to happen. Its *very* interesting that it can, and if possible, I'd like to know how its doing it.
02:18:42KiwiCamlebellium: I would look at using Vl's instead of V's. Your volume bar overwrites the PB and your PB is using an xl.
02:19:24[Saint]KiwiCam: did you see my question above? Does your theme use an .sbs or not?
02:20:05KiwiCamSorry. Missed that. No. I've never made one.
02:20:15KiwiCamI should I know.
02:21:28[Saint]Right, then you'll want to clear any other .sbs a previous theme may have set by doing "sbs: -" in the config.
02:21:47[Saint]lebellium's problem is unrelated to this, but its good practice anyway.
02:22:38KiwiCamExcellent. I'll reupload. Thanks for the tip. I assume I do the same for the FMS?
02:22:42[Saint]It sounds as though lebellium is just using the userfont in his .sbs, with explicitly declaring a specific font to be used, so it will just use whatever the currently loaded userfont is.
02:22:58[Saint]KiwiCam: Yes, that's correct.
02:23:30[Saint]*without explicitly declaring
02:28:07lebelliuminteresting, I almost deleted everything from the WPS but it still won't load properly when loading my theme.
02:28:50[Saint]can you pastebin what you have left?
02:30:45KiwiCamYou also need to comment out this "The icons are based on dfkt's "tango micro 7px" icons" from the .cfg
02:32:43lebelliumKiwicam: Both issues already occured before v1.20 and these new icons ;)
02:33:48KiwiCamWhat's a 4x6L1.fnt?
02:34:23[Saint]....a font file, one assumes...
02:34:31lebelliuma small font
02:34:32KiwiCamStrike that. I see it. That's new to me.
02:34:44[Saint]lebellium: that .wps looks entirely innocent to me.
02:34:52[Saint]very odd.
02:35:37lebelliumlooks to me too. Can the SBS or the CFG files cause the WPS not to load properly?!
02:36:20[Saint].sbs certainly can, and config files have caused crazier things in the past.
02:36:40lebelliumand after reboot it always loads perfectly, that's so strange
02:37:09[Saint]That is very strange, and makes me want to blame bufflib.
02:37:38[Saint]...I usually blame bufflib for these types of issue, and unfortunately I'm often right.
02:38:10NotJimCarrey[Saint]: still can't write to the wiki
02:38:33[Saint]NotJimCarrey: at all?
02:38:39NotJimCarreythink so
02:38:50NotJimCarrey"Access check on System.ManagingWebs failed. Action "CHANGE": access not allowed on root."
02:38:53KiwiCam[Saint]: What does this one do? ui viewport: -
02:38:54[Saint]NotJimCarrey: are you able to log in?
02:39:53lebellium[Saint]: even with this "light" WPS, USB connection doesn't work, I get the USB logo on screen but nothing mounts or doesn't mount properly.
02:40:09[Saint]KiwiCam: "don't set a UI viewport (use the fullscreen viewport), or, allow the .sbs to handle it"
02:40:43KiwiCamSo, I should throw that into my .cgf as well?
02:41:49[Saint]If you don't want your theme to fail because a previous theme sets a UI viewport that may make the items you try to load to it out-of-bounds, yes.
02:42:11KiwiCamHave done. Thanks.
02:42:29saratogathat really sounds like something our theme code should prevent
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02:43:11[Saint]saratoga: It could probably be handled better, sure.
02:44:17[Saint]It "just works" if theme authors remember that values from a prior theme will still be valid if they're not set, or unset. However, this often doesn't happen, I'm not sure many realise its an issue.
02:48:15lebelliumit's getting late here, time to sleep. As suggested, I open a bug report tomorrow. Bye
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02:49:46[Saint]NotJimCarrey: Can you try and login now please?
02:49:55[Saint]please report success/fail
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02:52:39[Saint]NotJimCarrey: after logging in, going to "" (where "CamelCaseTopicName" == "the name of the topic you want to create") should prompt you to create the page if it doesn't already exist, or edit it if it does.
02:53:23[Saint]Actually...I'm not even sure you need to be logged in first.
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03:32:54NotJimCarreywhat do you put as topic parent for new devices?
03:35:12[Saint]NotJimCarrey: In this instance, you need not do so.
03:36:15NotJimCarreyget this when i click create: "Access check on Main.T4300HD failed. Action "CHANGE": access not allowed on web"
03:38:59[Saint]Its working here...try making sure you're logged in first by clicking "edit" on an arbitrary existing page, and then see if you can create successfully.
03:39:22[Saint]If that's not it, I don't know what is going its working here.
03:43:19NotJimCarreyclicking any edit just brings up access denied
03:43:58[Saint]clicking "edit" should allow you to log in...
03:44:29[Saint]or, if you're logged in, allow you to edit (the obvious is now stated ;))
03:55:01KiwiCamFrig! I keep getting "destination read only" on one of my Clips. That's the second time in two weeks. I'll just reinstall everything, but would that suggest that the SD internal is failing?
03:55:41saratogain windows or linux?
03:55:46saratogaand in the OF or rockbox?
03:56:08KiwiCamLinux. Everything looks alright. No permissions issues. I just can't save anything to it.
03:56:52KiwiCamI'll try the OF...
03:56:54saratogacould just as easily be some USB issues with our driver causing file system corruption
03:59:54KiwiCamSame there too. Extract a theme and I get errors reported. Copy a file, go to the window and no paste option available. Can't drag a file across either.
04:00:51KiwiCamI'm using Boot 4.0 and Current is 120404
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05:01:35MONODAHey guys, I've just started looking into doing some development for rockbox but am feeling pretty overwhelmed by the amount of code and all the new things I need to learn. Any advice?
05:03:02[Saint]I'm not really sure what you would want someone to say to that.
05:04:11MONODAMaybe something that helped them get in flow of things when they first started developing for rockbox?
05:04:20[Saint]If you're feeling overwhelmed, its probably for a very good reason. Start small, introduce yourself to C first.
05:04:27seriousmanwhat is your goal?
05:04:42[Saint]"developing for Rockbox" one assumes :-S
05:05:35MONODAWell Im looking to learn more about how the system works
05:06:21scorcheMONODA: it is probably best to just dig right in - start with a plugin, maybe make a small change here and there that might be useful to you, etc
05:06:30seriousmanstart by looking at simple patches or tasks on gerrit and flyspray
05:06:57seriousmani.e. one-liners
05:07:04seriousmanor just the git log maybe ..
05:07:23MONODASounds simple enough
05:08:13MONODAIll get on that
05:09:02saratogai guess, pick whatever interests you and dig into it
05:09:07[Saint]A first step would be setting up a development environment, and successfully compiling a HEAD build.
05:09:24MONODA@Saint Ive already done that, but thanks
05:11:20[Saint]Sorry, I started from the *real* start. Sometimes we get "I can haz developm3ntz?"..."Awwww...gee, devvin' iz hard w0rk!" :)
05:15:01saratogawhat are you interested in working on
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05:17:50MONODAIm looking into the pong plugin ^_^ decided to start really simple
05:18:57MONODAIm actually interested in working on emulator plugins but I dont think im ready for that yet
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05:21:08cenobyte_anyone here follow the TCH 1643 thread?
05:26:06cenobyte_I sort of need to know where to put the files or who to send them to
05:26:15cenobyte_I finally got the firmware extracted
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05:34:08cenobyte_ok i'll just read the forums
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05:41:05KiwiCamcenobyte_: This is probably the best place to start. Go down to the Developers area
05:44:11[Saint]KiwiCam: a: He left ~10 minutes ago, b: why send him there?
05:53:46KiwiCamI just figured that's a good place to start. I've reformatted that Clip OF'd a Rockboxed it again. Working well again.
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05:55:35KiwiCamI'm looking at Making the theme editor Linux version. Does that use the current build?
06:05:01KiwiCamI might give it a miss. I gather I need to have SVN installed for the theme editor to work.
06:05:59saratogayou mean git?
06:06:44[Saint]everything that existed on the subversion repo now exists on the git repo.
06:07:01[Saint]the subversion repo is deprecated.
06:08:03KiwiCamThat's all gobbledy gook to me. If I cd to the themeeditor directory and try a qmake, I get "sh: svnversion: not found"
06:09:06KiwiCamAlthough, it could be that I need to add qmake to my path.
06:12:38KiwiCamI believe I have all the QT dev progs installed. A "which qmake" gives me "/usr/bin/qmake".
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07:03:32[Saint]KiwiCam: sorry, I wasn't looking at this channel.
07:04:46[Saint]It would appear that parts of the theme editor still care about svn, probably due to the massive length of time its been since somebody touched it.
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07:05:58[Saint]It would be useless to you, anyway, though.
07:07:15[Saint]It has absolutely no idea about any skin tags added since quite some many moons before we even shifted to git, which includes "all the tags you needed to get your themes working the way you wanted in the first place".
07:10:55[Saint]Its useful, or, it was...and it still could be, but someone needs to pick it back up and kick it back into touch.
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07:13:55[Saint]Well, its still useful I guess. But only if you are content with creating themes that only use a subset of the tags that were supported at the time it fell out of sync ;)
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08:31:21KiwiCam(Back) I'm pretty happy with the Sim's, all's good.
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10:23:39MCraseSo I take it the Clip and the Fuze+ are the only DAP's that have removable memory and are still purchasable? I was wanting to upgrade from my zip but it looks like its either it or a fuze+ (not too big on the touch thing).
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10:29:55joecoolanyone have an adapter to read the CE-ATA drives used in 6th generation ipod video?
10:34:22bertrikMCrase, the clip doesn't have removable memory, the clip+ does
10:37:42MCraseOh I thought it was (mostly) the same as the clip+. I was trying to reference the clip line in general by saying clip. Guess I could try tracking down a e200.
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10:57:50[Saint]Best option is a Fuze (V1 is you can find it, but its practically impossible to verify)
10:58:32MCraseWhats the difference between v1 and v2?
11:00:30MCraseAhh. I'd probably have to find someone that uses rockbox to buy it from then. I don't think the odd person on ebay would be able to tell which is which.
11:00:30[Saint]Its got all the bells & whistles, no annoying track-pad thing, removable storage, still available refurb'ed if you're lucky.
11:01:11joecoolhmm CE-ATA really is an impossible interface -_-
11:01:22[Saint]Any Fuze is a good Fuze if you can get it, but, I'd much rather a V1 than a V2 had I a choice.
11:02:53MCraseKind of wish I never found out about rockbox. It's made me unable to go without its wonderful interface. <3
11:05:59bertrikah, there is a new OF for the clip zip, 1.1.20
11:06:18[Saint]bertrik: wasn't the RAM cut in half between the V1/2, or am I thinking of one of the various other Sansas with V* incarnations.
11:07:11bertrikI can't quite remember all of the little details between the various AMSv1/v2 sansa models, but I think the c200v2 was a step back in memory from the c200v1
11:07:31bertrikI also remember the clipv1 being quite tight with memory
11:09:24bertrikamong the clip zip OF changes are "FM RDS info support for UK and EU regions" and "FM RDS info support for UK and EU regions"
11:10:30[Saint]didn't you want to add (or did you actually add) RDS to the capable Rockbox targets?
11:10:48[Saint]I don't really follow anything FM-related.
11:11:29bertrikall targets that can support it (basically only beast and clip zip) , support it now. Perhaps fuze+ can have it too (or already has it?)
11:12:04bertrikThere's no support for all of the various RDS features, but we have the basics, like station name and program name
11:12:29[Saint]there's some pretty awesome things that can be done with RDS.
11:13:20[Saint]lyrics, metadata, etc.
11:13:40bertrikOne of the things we could do (and it's probably not that difficult) is to select "fm station"-art based on the unique id of an fm station, so even if the station appears at a different frequency it still selects the correct station art
11:14:18[Saint]Hummm, nice.
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11:20:31bertrik(oh, oops, C&P failure, the other change I meant was "Some brands and types of microSD cards are not recognized by device")
11:21:06bertrikI'll try out the 1.1.20 firmware for mkamsboot compatibility
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11:22:15MCraseI RMA'd my first zip because I thought the microsdhc slot was broken. I had three cards and none of them worked in it although they did work in my clip+. Nice to see that they finally fixed it.
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11:23:39bertrikYeah, I think we're doing it a little better than them w.r.t. microsd compatibility
11:47:36CIA-44Commit a12b2a5 in rockbox by Bertrik Sikken: mkamsboot: add support for clip zip original firmware 01.01.20 (tested by me)
11:50:13CIA-44a12b2a5 build result: 0 errors, 3 warnings (Bertrik Sikken committed)
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12:16:19bertrikWasn't there someone here talking about a difference between the time displayed in the clip zip OF and in rockbox?
12:18:21[Saint]I seem to recall a discussion where someone stated that the time always differed on Rockbox after using the OF's firmware to sync files to the player.
12:18:38[Saint]I'm reasonably confident is was some form of Sansa device.
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12:27:53lebellium[Saint]: :)
12:28:25[Saint]JdGordon might be vaguely interested in this.
12:29:12[Saint]I'm pretty sure its not theme related (as a root cause), but "themes that trigger weird_sh*t" are pretty rare.
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12:30:05lebelliumI'll try to identify the problematic tag in the status bar for the USB issue
12:30:30lebelliumregarding the WPS not loading properly I don't have any clue since it also appears with the "light" WPS version
12:31:36[Saint]Ah...yes, I just read that. Yes, that would be nice.
12:32:06seriousmanbertrik: i don't think it's specific to the zip, it happens on all ams afair
12:35:34bertrikbut how much difference is there typically?
12:38:07seriousmana lot
12:38:32seriousmanchanging the time in OF, then in rockbox and repeating seemed to work well after some time though, then the clocks would be in sync
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12:46:43bertrikwe have a special case in the code (originally for the clip+, but actually for all AMSv2 sansas) for a specific time offset of about 11 months
12:47:09bertrikthis doesn't seem to apply to my clip zip, the RTC counter value is much closer to seconds since 1970-1-1
12:47:38bertrikmaybe we should kill the special exception, or perhaps use it just for the clip+, not for the other AMSv2 sansas
12:48:14bertrikI mean about 13 months, not 11 months
12:53:13seriousmanis it the same for fuzev2 and clipv2 ?
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13:11:49bertrikI don't know, please figure that out for me :)
13:12:08bertrikbut if change the code back now, the time will be off again for current users
13:13:28bertrikI think I can revert it for the clip zip, since that's not a stable target yet
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13:17:20CIA-44Commit 688302a in rockbox by Thomas Martitz: touchscreen: Rewrite kinetic scrolling using a state machine.
13:19:50CIA-44688302a build result: All green
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13:29:44bertrik[Saint], another cool possible feature is syncing the DAP time to RDS time
13:30:20CIA-44Commit 48c248d in rockbox by Thomas Martitz: touchscreen: fix swipe scrolling (jumped back to previous item).
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13:31:58lebelliumbertrik: can you reproduce the same issues on your zip?
13:32:45seriousmanlebellium: looks like 2 different bugs?
13:32:50CIA-4448c248d build result: 0 errors, 3 warnings (Thomas Martitz committed)
13:33:11lebelliumseriousman: yep but [Saint] told me I can report them together
13:33:19bertrikI used to have problems with USB unplug, but I haven't seen that in a while
13:33:57bertrikI do still occasionally see problem when switching themes, like the database getting confused after a theme change
13:34:33lebelliumthese bugs are specific to my theme as far as I know
13:35:06[Saint]lebellium: fwiw, I did say that before you had tracked down the USB issue specifically, but, yeah...
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13:35:46[Saint]I don't see it as being too bad that these bugs are listed together.
13:36:51lebelliumI don't manage to identify a problematic tag in the status bar. For sure when I remove items from the status bar I get better results i.e. USB works more often but sometimes it works, sometimes not, like at random, that makes me crazy
13:37:26lebelliumwith any other theme I get 100% USB connection rate
13:37:44[Saint]So you haven't yet found any one section of the code that will generate a failure to mount 100% of the time?
13:38:05lebelliumunfortunately not
13:38:15[Saint]very odd...
13:38:45[Saint]process of elimination states it shouldn't be too hard to do so, unless it is actually random.
13:39:05[Saint]And if it is actually random, I would *love* to know what about your theme triggers it.
13:39:26seriousmanlebellium: if it 'works at random' then you should try to ignore any causation
13:39:32[Saint]I was pretty tired when I looked at your "lite" .wps last night, but it looked totally harmless to me.
13:39:55[Saint]seriousman: not *any* causation...
13:40:30[Saint]in this case we can safely include "caused specifically by the .sbs of this theme"
13:41:05[Saint]trial suggests this to be the case, all other themes report a 100% success rate.
13:41:06seriousmanif it has random effects you can not 'safely' do anything, since the cause could be random
13:41:44[Saint]the "random" is "will it mount if I remove X part of my .sbs code", there's no randomness to "will it mount with any other theme"
13:41:49seriousmani can throw a coin in the air 3 times and it'll land 3 times on the same side. doesn't mean it'll land 100% of the times on this side in the future
13:42:21[Saint]I think you missread.
13:43:16lebelliumyesterday I though removing all items from the status bar solves the issue but I notice now that even with this "light" SBS I don't get 100% success. So that looks random to me :S
13:43:20[Saint]the theme will fail to load 100% of the time with the .sbs, if code is removed from the .sbs to try to identify the offending section, it /may/ mount at one instance, and not the next.
13:43:29seriousmanUSB is known to be buggy and fail randomly already, i don't think trying to find a link with a theme helps at all, imo it's a loss of time
13:43:48AlexP_Only on certain players
13:43:53[Saint]USB is what...sorry?
13:43:55seriousmanon AMSv2 that is
13:43:56[Saint]since when?
13:43:57AlexP_On other players USB is pretty good
13:44:25[Saint]seriousman: its pretty clear here that the link is the theme.
13:44:32seriousmanFS@12639 is clip zip specific though
13:44:33[Saint]glaringly obvious in fact, I would say.
13:44:34lebelliumthe fact is USB works with any other clip zip theme but not with mine, that's why I link it to my theme
13:44:58seriousmanwell, my zip fails with another theme
13:45:15[Saint]and you don't report this?
13:45:23[Saint]we don't know if you don't report it ;)
13:45:33seriousmaneverybody knows USB is buggy on AMSv2
13:45:44[Saint]a theme should NEVER affect the core...
13:45:55[Saint]that's a huge bug...HUGE.
13:46:29lebelliumseriousman: I usually try the "pro" theme or dfkt's theme and they never fail with USB contrary to my theme
13:46:29AlexP_calm down
13:46:36[Saint]"USB is buggy" is very, very, very different to "I have a theme that triggers USB to fail"
13:47:23seriousmanguys i'm just giving an advice: don't lose time trying to link themes to USB bugs
13:47:49seriousmanit's buggy in itself, first fix it, then try your themes
13:48:02seriousmanyou can disable USB in your builds btw to avoid that problem
13:48:16seriousmanjust comment out USE_ROCKBOX_USB in config/model.h
13:49:26[Saint]seriousman: assuming you can do so, if you could report the specific theme that causes USB mount failures on your device, please do so.
13:49:26lebelliumif that was true (but I don't think so, otherwise the other themes would fail like mine), my bug report is still valid as the other bugs is related to my theme: the WPS always fails to load! :p
13:49:57[Saint]lebellium: I agree, but, I won't try and argue it any more.
13:50:09[Saint]I'll just say "report it, or it never happened" ;)
13:50:19kugeldoes the sim expose the theme-usb problem?
13:50:21seriousmanhow much times did you try the other themes?
13:51:50kugelusb simulation is pretty covered, it only doesnt call into a usb driver or give up exclusive mass storage access
13:52:16lebelliumseriousman: probably not as much as 100 or 1000 times if that's needed for trusty probabilities
13:52:41lebelliumkugel: I have to find the key for USB in the sim and I try it
13:52:51kugelit's U on every sim
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13:53:52seriousmanlebellium: give it a bit more try and you will see that zip driver doesn't work 100% of the times
13:54:26seriousmanyou tried it a few times and it worked always with other themes, that's pure luck
13:54:49lebelliumI trust you seriousman, it sometimes failed with other times too BUT it works 10% of time with my theme and 90% of time with any other theme!
13:54:55lebelliumwith other themes too*
13:54:59kugelif it works in the sim it's an indication that the problem is _probably_ in the device specific parts, though no guarantiee
13:55:08seriousmanthat's still pure (bad) luck
13:55:36lebelliumkugel: one second, I try with the latest simulator
13:55:40seriousmanis your theme bigger than usual?
13:55:51seriousmanin memory usage
13:56:13seriousmanthere is certainly a problem in the device specific parts
13:58:09lebelliumkugel: seems to work fine in the UI simulator.
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13:58:45lebelliumWhere I can see the memory usage?
13:58:55seriousmanls -l */bmp probably
13:59:34[Saint_]You can see each individual allocation there.
14:00:23lebellium"view buffering thread" ?
14:00:40seriousmanbuffering only shows audio buffer
14:01:18lebelliumthen you need to tell me what menu and figures I have to look at exactly because I don't understand anything to these things :)
14:03:49lebelliumthere are many lines in this menu! Am I supposed to check the alloc for SBS and WPS or?
14:04:38seriousmancompare allocations for your theme and another one
14:04:44pamaurydamn, the fuze+ already had a crazy on-disk structure with two partitions tables with different logical sector sizes but Zen X-Fi3 is even worse
14:04:57[Saint_]The way I understand it is handed, you're now free to (in theory) consume the entire buffer if you want to.
14:05:03bertrikis there a way that we could add extra checks to buflib allocated chunks to help find (for example) memory corruptions?
14:05:09[Saint_]Not like pre-bufflib days.
14:05:37[Saint_]If Rockbox info says there's buffer remaining, there shouldn't be an issue.
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14:07:36[Saint_]I don't think there's such a thing as "the skin buffer" anymore. Overflowing the "skin buffer" means consuming all available buffer, unless I'm mistaken.
14:07:57lebelliumwith my theme loader, rockbox info says buffer: 4,50MB
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16:30:50bertrikhm, USB on the clip zip got flaky after installing a new bootloaer
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16:59:04lorenzo92kugel: I found a problem in our modded firmware. I needed to delete hwclock -w from the rc.reboot script, otherwise rockbox time regulations aren't written properly in the ascodec (they are till shutdown only)
17:00:15lorenzo92kugel: moreover, I understood that it's possible indeed to compile a module with just kernel's headers (I found also a proper makefile as example) but I don't know why I get "nothing to be done for all" message uhm
17:00:46lorenzo92*samsung R0's headers are very different from the least for the mxc platform!
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17:49:26kugellorenzo92: "nothing to be done for all" means that the binary is up-to-date
17:49:45lorenzo92yeah indeed but why uhm uhm
17:51:39lorenzo92possible that the module is built into the kernel source tree?
17:51:51kugelpaste the Makefile somewhere
17:53:54kugelthe default make target is "all", that's build when you run make without arguments. all is usually an alias for the final binary ("r47xx.ko").
17:54:44lorenzo92uhm yes, should be, maybe I missed something here:
17:54:44kugellorenzo92: did you get somewhere with gerrit?
17:54:50lorenzo92yes yes ;)
17:55:03lorenzo92I uploaded the first review (without kernel module thing)
17:58:23lorenzo92in fact I (and users on abi) have been testing the radio since a while and it seems working fine :)
18:00:58kugelI believe you that it's working fine, that's why we should get it into the tree asap :p
18:04:18lorenzo92guesses about the makefile?
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18:05:28lorenzo92I don't find any object or exec file uhm
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18:11:37kugellorenzo92: I added comments to the review
18:12:03kugelnote: "-1" doesnt mean your code sucks, just that I would like to see improvements
18:12:11kugelit's by no means rejected
18:14:52lorenzo92indeed :) thanks for reviewing, now I used usleep because the sleep (bla) crashed the player!
18:14:57lorenzo92I did not debug that...+
18:23:18lorenzo92okay indeed I fixed the fmradio_i2c thing... ;) and then I was wondering how to "cleanly" remove the warning (because of unused variable...)
18:37:04lorenzo92okay I removed also the thing about the memset, it's not necessary after all (tested)
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18:40:18kugelplorenzo92: why would sleep crash the player?
18:40:36lorenzo92good question!
18:40:46lorenzo92I'll retry that now...
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18:43:53kugelplorenzo92: do you know how to update the patch? use git commit −−amend
18:44:34lorenzo92yes I read that, I will update it in few mins, at least I need to see with the sleeps, for the rest it's fine tuned :D
18:45:48lorenzo92ahhh! Now it DOES work is possible that the crash was caused by something else during development ^^
18:46:13lorenzo92I mean the sleep...
18:47:11lorenzo92one thing left: the warnings...uhm ideas?
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19:08:14kugellorenzo92: which warning?
19:09:07lorenzo92kugel: radio-ypr0.c -> warning: unused parameter address
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19:26:05kugelplorenzo92: use "(void)variable" for that
19:26:07kugelpif you really don't use the param
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20:35:18lorenzo92kugelp: oh ... this shows I have still looots to learn :D
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20:42:15lorenzo92kugelp: but then is not compatible with fmradio_i2c header...sorry to bother :D
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20:45:22lorenzo92okay solved :)
20:45:31lorenzo92thanks for the hint as always ;)
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22:32:02bluebrotherany thoughts on making the properties plugin use double-height entries like the metadata viewer?
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22:34:12bluebrotherI've been looking into that earlier today.
22:34:22bluebrotherand I quite like it
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22:43:05bluebrotherscreenshot on Ipod Mini:
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22:47:55AlexP_bluebrother: looks good
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22:54:18bluebrotherthe next thing I'd like to add to properties is to show file attributes. I'm unsure which and how to show them
22:54:28bluebrotherat least Hidden and Read-only makes sense.
22:55:15bluebrotherso simply show some kind of ARHS with the unset attribute displayed as -, so a file only marked as hidden show −−H-?
22:55:31bluebrotheror rather use a string [x] Hidden [ ] Read-only?
22:55:40bluebrotherand drop the archive and System flag?
22:56:05bluebrotherbtw, does Rockbox honor the read-only flag when deleting files (I would assume it does)?
23:03:24bertrikmeh, more tuner trouble on AMS sansas ... :|
23:04:03bertrikthe tuner is enabled right after boot, consuming extra power
23:04:30gevaertsOh, is that what's going on?
23:04:56bertriklooks very much like it
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23:08:14bluebrotherthat decreased runtime thread in the forum?
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23:14:17bluebrotherhow annoying :(
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23:16:35gevaertsAlexP_: worth waiting another day for for 3.11.1?
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23:17:06AlexP_gevaerts: If it'll be quickish to fix I'd say so
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23:19:03saratogabertrik: i posted screen shots of the debug screen
23:19:08saratogalet me know if you want something else
23:23:37saratogabertrik: does this look ok to you?;a=blobdiff;f=firmware/drivers/tuner/si4700.c;h=a5b004aef411b811559c25a15c5aa324d8245e8e;hp=6966891a386c2b33114d666787226496c845f711;hb=906e90eb7b036214b2ee48ad2219e1ef679ee7d1;hpb=58b226edc51f260a19cf0655bbec67622ebe7cef
23:24:09saratogai don't understand the radio, but that commit removes the call to tuner_power(false); from the radio init sequence
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23:28:56kugelpAlexP_: but isn't 3.11.1 already tagged?
23:29:09AlexP_kugelp: Yes, but we could just skip it
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23:29:18AlexP_It hasn't been "released" as such
23:29:36AlexP_Rather than get people to update twice in two days
23:29:47CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:29:47*gevaerts nods
23:31:14 Nick kugelp is now known as kugel (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel)
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