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#rockbox log for 2012-04-12

00:02:20gevaertsLooks good
00:02:58funmanhow old was that si4700 problem?
00:03:36gevaertsfunman: one or two months. The radio power rework
00:04:32CIA-44Commit 0d75201 in www by Frank Gevaerts: We won't release 3.11.1, so update the news item to 3.11.2
00:05:45gevaertsAlexP: are you still editing ReleaseNotes3111?
00:05:57AlexPgevaerts: nope
00:06:16AlexPI "edited" it to copy the raw markup
00:06:21AlexPbut am no longer there
00:07:32gevaertsOK. I changed it to mention we didn't actually release 3.11.1
00:08:16AlexPgood plan
00:14:03gevaertsSeven manuals to go!
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00:21:41AlexPOK, bins and source archives uploaded
00:21:46gevaertsAlexP: I've updated g212
00:21:47fs-bluebotGerrit review #212 at,212 : Release v3.11.2 by Frank Gevaerts (changes/12/212/2)
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00:21:56gevaertsmanuals are still uploading
00:21:59AlexPgreat :)
00:22:48gevaertsI'll try to catch a few Swedes tomorrow during the day to plan the actual release
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00:30:13gevaertsUploads done
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00:36:12AlexPgevaerts: We're a well oiled team :)
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00:36:40gevaertsAlexP: I hope we'll get a bit more practice soon!
00:36:48gevaertsThere's still the nano2g
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00:36:55AlexPah yes
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02:16:45engrpaulI see 3.11.2 is released but when I upgrade it's still 3.11
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02:20:13engrpaulHow can I get 3.11.2, any idea? Thanks.
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02:22:33saratoga_3.11.2 hasn't been released yet
02:24:37engrpaulThanks, but this is what I saw :)
02:24:38engrpaulThe Rockbox project is pleased to announce the immediate availability of Rockbox 3.11.2.
02:24:49engrpaulI'll check back thanks
02:25:04saratoga_i wouldn't bother waiting, just grab the curren tbuild
02:25:46saratoga_the release notes dated tomorrow :)
02:25:53engrpaulalright thanks for your responses
02:26:03engrpaultomorrow where?
02:26:39saratoga_i don't think there is a set time, its released when everything is uploaded
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04:16:07BlackMoonsHey I just had the weirdest experiance
04:16:21BlackMoonsapon rebooting with my mp3 player pluged in.. my PC just got stuck at a blank screen with a cursor, flashing.
04:16:40BlackMoons... I think it was trying to boot off my mp3 player that was pluged in since it started working fine as soon as I selected boot device as my raid array..
04:17:27BlackMoonsScared the crap outta me as in a totaly unrelated event, one of my drives in the array failed and I thought my PC was $@#%ed.
04:18:05BlackMoons(using a sansa clip+ with a sd card on the player)
04:18:32BlackMoonsI wonder why it tried to boot off it? It should'nt have a valid boot sector should it?
04:18:33[Saint]You know, you can build arrays where that should be of no concern ;)
04:18:46BlackMoons[Saint]: Well its a raid5 so its only a minor 'grrr wtf'
04:19:30BlackMoonsapon reviewing the logs I found evidence of it timing out resulting in a rebuilt about 5 months ago, then another event of abunch of reallocated clusters about a month ago -_-;
04:19:38BlackMoonsI REALLY need to read my damn raid logs more often.. or get alerts working
04:20:40BlackMoonsBut yea, I know all the raid stuff is totaly unrelated... but scared the crap outta me when I rebooted to a black screen none the less.
04:20:50BlackMoonsalso got a weird CPU overtemp warning at one point..
04:20:58BlackMoonsathough my CPU heatsink was cloged to hell.
04:21:22[Saint]I'm not sure "tried to boot off" is a terribly likely explanation. "Tried to verify on startup and crapped out" seems a lot more likely to me.
04:21:41BlackMoons[Saint]: Yea ok more likey and saner.
04:21:58BlackMoonsI was wondering how on earth it would even find something that resembled a boot sector enough to try and load it.
04:22:26BlackMoonsBut yea, crashing while looking for the boot sector in the first place is more likey.
04:23:26BlackMoons(or just trying to mount it as a drive..)
04:23:52[Saint]I'm thinking simpler. A disk check was scheduled for some reason, and it just crapped out for <some_reason>
04:24:23[Saint]I'd definitely do a disc check on the drive.
04:27:59BlackMoonsOh, the drive is toast
04:28:05BlackMoonsits been acting up for months according to the logs.
04:28:35BlackMoonsIt failed to show proper status after a reboot and droped from the array but after I got it back the logs say it has 4000 reallocated clusters
04:28:41BlackMoonsand has droped from the array for no reason before
04:29:14BlackMoonsI am only rebuilding the array with it now on the off chance it holds out till I get a new drive
04:29:40BlackMoons(Athough technicaly a rebuild is stressful, its no more stressful then the weekly verify I put my array through)
04:30:31[Saint]I meant your DAP.
04:30:40BlackMoonsI don't blame the mp3 player for any of that.
04:31:16BlackMoonsa disk check on the mp3 player?
04:32:50[Saint]Google dskchk for Windows or fsck.vfat for Linux
04:34:20BlackMoonsReally? On a mp3 player?
04:34:34*BlackMoons shrugs
04:34:36BlackMoonsGuess it should work fine
04:34:52BlackMoonsbtw its chkdsk
04:35:09[Saint]Its a storage device, its vulnerable to corruption just as any other storage device.
04:35:40BlackMoonsNothing wrong according to chkdsk
04:35:59BlackMoonsBios/mp3 player incompatibility?
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04:36:21BlackMoonsI should probley just take USB outta my boot list.
04:36:43*BlackMoons trys to think if he has ever booted off USB anything..
04:37:11BlackMoonsShit I can recall booting win2k off 4 floopys but never booting off USB.
04:37:32BlackMoons(you wanna talk about slow....)
04:40:04BlackMoonsAnyways, thought you guys might get a laugh at PC failing to boot because the mp3 player was pluged in. the CPU overheat was a little conserning since I often walk away from my PC while its rebooting.. don't think i'll do that anymore..
04:40:46BlackMoons motherboard with I7 920 cpu if its of any help.
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09:38:56mortaliswodz: any progress with artifacts?
09:40:12wodzmortalis: sort of - setting VERT_PERIOD = (1<<3) helps
09:41:15wodzmortalis: there is still rightmost part of image which is distorted
09:41:56wodzI mean all lines are distorted in last ~50-80 pixels
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10:29:06gevaertsZagor, Bagder: does one of you have some time today or tonight to move the 3.11.2 files in place (and to ignore/throw away the 3.11.1 files)?
10:30:40Zagorthe 3.11.2 source package is missing
10:30:55gevaertsAlexP said he uploaded it
10:31:30gevaertsI'll make a new one
10:32:12Zagoroh, maybe it's just named wrong
10:32:21gevaertsAh, could be...
10:32:30Zagorright, it is. I have it then.
10:32:48gevaertsThe accompanying change is ready on gerrit, and the website update has been pushed and is just waiting for you to update
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10:36:59CIA-44Commit d8cb5c7 in rockbox by Björn Stenberg: (Author: Frank Gevaerts) Release v3.11.2
10:37:51Zagor3.11.2 is out. good work guys!
10:39:14CIA-44d8cb5c7 build result: All green
10:40:33gevaertsHm, rockbox utility doesn't see it yet
10:40:48Zagoroh right, that's not done automatically
10:41:04Zagorthat needs to be fixed
10:41:34Zagorbetter now?
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10:45:38gevaertsAnnouncements sent
10:46:39gevaerts(one of them to the wrong address...)
10:47:25gevaertsI copied the addresses from AlexP's 3.11 email!
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10:51:24gevaertsZagor: I'm uploading a new source archive. The one currently on the server unpacks to "rockbox-v3.11", which is a bit misleading
10:51:41gevaertsThe new sourcre packing script needs more work
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11:04:34gevaertsZagor: uploaded
11:06:05gevaertsOne of these days I need to fix the ReleaseChecklist page
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12:29:04wodzmortalis: about lcd tearing. I vaguely remember we had similar problem on some ipods and it was mostly solved by proper charge pump/duty configuration.
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12:38:06mortaliswodz: I tried to play with display configuration, but with no luck.
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12:40:37wodzmortalis: If I am not wrong amiconn was involved in the case of ipods
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14:58:01pamaurythis is very confusing: the zen x-fi3 uses B2P0{7,8} for volume up/down but afaict for the bluetooth it uses the uart with hardware flow control and the RTS/CTS pins and B2P0{7,8}
15:01:37pamauryhmm, in fact it does not use harware flow control, which is even worse
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18:47:18pamauryhas anyone tried to compile firmware/test/fat/ recently ?
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18:48:01*bertrik hasn;t
18:49:17bertrikrecently, as in like less than 5 years ago :)
18:49:58pamauryit fails with include failure (about system-sdl.h) which is normal because it's compiled as a target but with some defines of a simulator
18:51:41AlexPgevaerts: Good work on the release :)
18:52:12AlexPgevaerts: Yes, I got the user email list wrong (or autocomplete did) on the previous annouce and resent it separately :)
18:52:30AlexPAnd thanks for sorting the source archive, I forgot to unpack, rename and repack
18:52:35gevaertsAlexP: yes, damn you! Next time get it right so my copying doesn't embarass me!
18:53:17AlexPhehe :)
18:53:19pamaurywtf, what is "-lfl" ?
18:53:32bertrikI guess it links libfl
18:53:56pamaurybut what is libfl ?
18:54:28pamauryflex ?
18:55:54bertrikwhat do people think about fs#11814 ?
18:55:55fs-bluebot calendar.rock day of week is off-by-one (bugs, unconfirmed)
18:56:45bertrikApparently it can happen that the week-of-day in the RTC of some of the ipods is off. We can fix this by always recalculating it from the date, instead of relying on the value in the RTC.
18:57:59Topic"3.11.2 released! | Please read before speaking: | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
18:58:05bertrikI tried to change the week-of-day on my nano 1g to the correct value. It's not like the OF puts it back to the wrong value or anything like that
18:59:41gevaertsbertrik: I think recalculating makes sense
19:00:19pamauryhum, the fat test script seems really wrong
19:04:31bertrikI just changed the date in the OF from 12 april to 13 april, but the week-of-day didn't get updated when I checked afterwards in rockbox, so I think the OF just ignores it
19:05:23bertrikor maybe the OF is indeed 1 day off with respect to the rockbox expectation, I'll check changing the date the other way (to 11 april)
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19:10:30bertriknope, changing the date in the OF the other direction still doesn't update the day-of-week in the RTC, so the OF seems to ignore this value entirely
19:13:20Tornei don't think that's surprising, day-of-week is usually only actually used in the rtc for alarms
19:17:07bertrika nice thing is that we more-or-less hide a wrong dow value in the user interface (we recalculate it there), but not in the calendar plugin
19:17:25bertrikin the user interface of the set date/time settings screen
19:17:25Tornewhy do we even use it?
19:17:57bertrikto show a calendar with weekdays in the calendar plugin
19:18:07Torneno, i mean, why are we using the RTC to decide what day it is
19:18:09Torneinstead of using the date
19:18:13Torneanywhere, in anything
19:18:20bertrikI don't know
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19:18:35Torneah. then we probably just shouldn't.
19:18:41Tornewe don't support setting non-daily alarms, right?
19:18:49bertrikAnd I don't really care, as long as we pick a convention, either RTC driver returns it, or we always recalculate it :)
19:18:51Torneso there's no need for it even to be set in hardware at all either
19:19:10Torneand not all RTCs are even gonna have this data, so i say just gnore it
19:20:03bertrikwe can recalculate it in the get_time wrapper around rtc_read_datetime
19:20:25bertrikin firmware/common/timefuncs.c
19:22:14bertrikit already does some other stubs, like setting tm_yday to 0 and tm_isdst to -1
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19:32:32piggzhi, has rockbox the ipod added support for controlling the device via usb? .. ie, if a car is 'ipod compatible' and connects to the ipod via usb, and allows control using the radio/steering buttons, will it work with rockbox?
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19:36:11funmanmaybe, depends on the car
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19:45:16bertrikI see we have a bunch of calls to set_day_of_week just before doing set_time, we might as well move those calls into set_time
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19:51:54piggzfunman: well, kia not mentioned...wors case i can use the aux connection, but it might work
19:52:51piggzfunman: i htought it was more likely to do with rockbox supporting some new protocol that is used on, mine doesnt work in a new ipod dock we have, but does in the older one, something to do with usb/serial (?)
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19:54:14funmanit's always the same protocol afaik
19:54:39funmanjust try it and add your info to that list then
19:54:49Tornethere's more than one protocol, and also at least two different ways to *transport8 the protocol data
19:55:01piggzfunman: i will when i get the car (hopefully weekend)
19:55:08Torne(serial vs usb transports, and then multiple different protocols transported within it)
19:55:24TorneWe support a bunch of different protocols (though not all of them still i think), but i don't think we understand the usb transport at all
19:55:30Torneso even commands we would recognise are not picked up
19:56:00piggzit appears to use a ipod > 3,5mm + usb cable
19:56:24bluebrothergevaerts: "source packing script" meaning that thing I started?
19:56:33gevaertsbluebrother: yes
19:56:35bluebrotherI've started adding 7z support to that ...
19:56:50Tornepiggz: unfortunately that cable is sufficiently general as to allow for a number of possibilities
19:56:59bluebrotherhmm, and it should use the correct version number inside the archive. I guess I need to give that a look :)
19:57:01gevaertsIt works well, we just need to figure out how to do naming and tags and things
19:57:05Torneit's quite possible that the head unit might actually support several *different* methods of connecting to th eipod, and we might implement *one* of them
19:57:14Tornebut it may not choose the right one, as it will probably pick based on the model detected
19:57:16gevaertsbluebrother: it probably does, if you start from a tag
19:57:20Tornenot based on which ones actually work when you try them
19:57:25gevaertsWe have it set to the branch right now
19:57:44piggzTorne: ok, i can only try...
19:58:14bluebrotherwell, I guess it will be of use for a while so extending it a bit shouldn't be a bad thing
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20:03:52goaud27anybody here
20:03:52goaud27I need help
20:05:17bertrikjust ask your question
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20:54:41bluebrotherreally? Not 4711?
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20:59:51Horschtis there a tool available for PC that allows me to build my rockbox tag cache?
21:00:55bluebrotheryou can build a database tool.
21:01:14bluebrotherthough I have no idea how good / bad that works. I rarely use the database
21:01:40Horschti could, theoreticaly. If my skills would allow that
21:01:56Horschtbut since they don't... :(
21:02:02bluebrotherhmm, doesn't seem to be part of the automatic builds. So maybe it's broken
21:02:41gevaertsIt is
21:02:42Horschtthere used to be a tool I used, but the person who maintained it, doesn't any longer (FS9371)
21:02:50gevaerts(part of the automatic build)
21:03:03bluebrotherok, building worked fine for me
21:03:14bluebrotherit is? Ok, I guess I simply overlooked in the table then :)
21:03:28gevaertsNot for every target. Just two I think
21:04:32Horschtwhat? I can't find what you're talking about
21:05:05bluebrotherhmm, seems it's not possible to cross compile that tool
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21:05:43bluebrotherI either have to select (D)atabase Tool, but then I can't select (W)in32 crosscompile
21:06:11bluebrotherbut if I go into (A)dvanced and select (W)in32 crosscompile I can't select the (D)atabase Tool anymore :/
21:06:39bluebrotherHorscht: select (D)atabase tool in configure :)
21:06:48*bluebrother wonders if that even builds for win32
21:08:57Horschtoh god, I haven't had a working cygwin environment in ages, that's gonna take me a while
21:10:29bluebrotherit might build with MinGW. That's what I tried (but cross compiling)
21:13:28bluebrothergevaerts: shouldn't rather be called something like After all it's not creating anything tar anymore at all
21:16:25bluebrotherah, whatever.
21:16:42CIA-44Commit 2aae745 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Add new tarball generation script.
21:16:43CIA-44Commit e9d5f6c in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: gitscraper: support compressing the sources as 7z.
21:16:55gevaertsbluebrother: I don't have strong opinions on that
21:17:25bluebrotherwell, I've just pushed. Now with version via command line parameter :)
21:17:37bluebrotherdoes even work for regular hashes
21:17:57bluebrotherand works fine for me for 3.11.2, so no need to repack :D
21:18:16gevaertsIt was all AlexP's fault anyway :)
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21:18:43CIA-442aae745 build result: All green
21:18:55bluebrotheranyway, time to leave and spend some time with my book :)
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21:35:19CIA-44Commit 449dff4 in rockbox by Bertrik Sikken: Calculate day-of-week after reading time from RTC. Should fix FS #11814
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21:43:48CIA-44449dff4 build result: All green
21:46:07bertrikkugel, is FS #12344 still valid?
21:46:07fs-bluebot Sansa Clip+: PANIC occurred when dircache is enabled (bugs, unconfirmed)
21:46:46n1sbertrik: nice fix, i didn't realize we read the DoW from the rtc
21:47:00n1si assumed it was calculated from the date
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22:27:13KiwiCamJdGordon: Morning. I'm having to break up large conditionals in order to get them to show bitmaps in Bar Tags correctly You'll find the same thing needs to be done in my Alien theme as well. It's easy to workaround, but both ways should work the same, shouldn't they?
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23:10:10bertrikoh it looks the roolku "farm" is offline again
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