#rockbox 2012-04-22

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#rockbox log for 2012-04-22

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01:22:39	Cooldude	Hello
01:22:49	Cooldude	I have a question, could anyone help me answer it?
01:22:59	[Saint]	Only if you ask it.
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01:23:19	Cooldude	I did.
01:23:24	Cooldude	Hahaha.
01:23:51	Cooldude	Well I was wondering, what is the function that I can turn on so I can listen to all the tracks of a single artist or all the tracks in the player?
01:24:01	[Saint]	No, you asked if you could ask a question, something the channel quidelines specifically say not to do ;)
01:24:18	Cooldude	My apologies'.
01:24:58	[Saint]	And, there isn't one. However, you can easily create a playlist in this fashion by selecting all tracks under a particular artist in the Database.
01:25:24	Cooldude	Then I'd like to know what is it that I did before that I was able to do that.
01:25:24	[Saint]	Etc.
01:25:50	[Saint]	You didn't, as there isn't such a function.
01:26:15	Cooldude	At one point before I had a dilemma, the player was capable of playing all the tracks of any artist I choose, in addition to playing all the tracks of the entire database.
01:26:39	[Saint]	The only way that would he possible is by manually creating a playlist from the Database.
01:27:06	[Saint]	You can choose to either add all tracks, or all tracks under a given section.
01:27:34	[Saint]	Or part thereof.
01:27:49	funman	well you can browse the database no?
01:28:11	funman	Artist -> Bob Marley -> All tracks or something like this
01:28:11	Cooldude	Yes I can.
01:28:28	funman	or Artist -> All artists -> All tracks
01:28:42	[Saint]	funman: yes, exactly what I'm saying. In a more simplistic dashing.
01:28:48	[Saint]	*fashion.
01:28:54	Cooldude	However I can't find the "All Artists" button.
01:29:54	[Saint]	Database > artist > all tracks
01:30:04	Cooldude	After Artist> All tracks or Random or any music group in my database
01:31:12	[Saint]	Long select any particular field to bring up the context menu, and add it to a playlist.
01:31:32	[Saint]	Its pretty simple, and I'm quite confident the manual covers this.
01:31:38	Cooldude	Indeed it does.
01:32:06	[Saint]	So, I guess I'm not understanding the problem then.
01:32:33	Cooldude	Well originally that initial question is what I wanted to ask of which was not answered in the manuel.
01:32:35	Cooldude	manual*
01:33:45	[Saint]	Database > artist you desire > all tracks (all tracks from a particular artist), Database > track (all tracks, period).
01:34:43	[Saint]	The original question you asked isn't covered by the manual because its not possible...
01:35:22	Cooldude	That may be so, I don't know however I do recall it occurring.
01:35:52	Cooldude	Although, a discussion won't lead us anywhere.
01:36:15	[Saint]	There's no function one can enable that will allow you to automatically play all tracks from a given artist.
01:37:24	Cooldude	Can you tell me why such a feature doesn't exist in rockbox?
01:37:45	Cooldude	And how can mainstream firmware in players be capable of doing that?
01:38:01	[Saint]	You can use the database to create a playlist manually based on the currently playing artist/album, but that's the closest thin I can think of.
01:38:07	funman	because nobody worked on it
01:38:49	Cooldude	Okay.
01:39:03	Cooldude	In your opinion, do you think its a need or want of the community?
01:39:22	funman	i can live without it, but feel free to work on it or find someone who wants to
01:39:23	Cooldude	Or at the very least, the majority of the members.
01:39:28	[Saint]	Not really, as it would be a double feature.
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01:39:38	[Saint]	Its already possible to do this.
01:39:43	Cooldude	Okay.
01:40:09	Cooldude	Just curious, are the makers of rockbox fluid?
01:40:28	Cooldude	Or do various random people contribute to it?
01:40:39	[Saint]	No, we are very much solid. :)
01:40:59	Cooldude	You do understand, what I'm trying to communicate, right?
01:41:04	funman	not really
01:41:12	funman	you can contribute yourself
01:41:15	[Saint]	Nor I.
01:41:17	Cooldude	Indeed.
01:41:39	Cooldude	There are many people who create extra features or add to it's individuality by making themes or whatnot.
01:41:50	[Saint]	You can read up on our fine wiki on contribution.
01:42:06	Cooldude	They are also stated in the credits.
01:42:39	[Saint]	Fix a bug, or implement a missimg and wanted feature, and do it well and agree to the real name policy, and it will he included.
01:43:42	Cooldude	But I was wondering if all the members know each other or have the official title of being a rock box maker or is there a small committee of people who take in the work of third party members once they agree its rockbox worthy?
01:44:45	Cooldude	Then if those third party members have their work used, then they're added to the credits.
01:45:03	[Saint]	There is a select group of committees that earned that title by doing the above stated repeatedly.
01:45:11	[Saint]	*committers
01:45:23	Cooldude	Ah.
01:45:50	Cooldude	By the way, why are the players listed so old?
01:45:59	Cooldude	Is it because rockbox has been around for quite a while?
01:46:25	Cooldude	Or is it because those are the players the majority of consumers use?
01:46:28	funman	10 years
01:46:37	[Saint]	They and they alone can commit to the source directly, but, literally anyone can contribute code to be committed.
01:46:56	funman	they are old because you didn't adapt rockbox to newer players
01:47:11	funman	and people who did spent years on it
01:47:21	Cooldude	Well that explains it.
01:47:23	[Saint]	Best. Answer. Ever. :)
01:47:26	Cooldude	Indeed.
01:47:45	[Saint]	We also have some fairly new targets up there too...
01:47:50	Cooldude	Although, to be the devil's advocate- there are a few new players here and there.
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01:48:08	Cooldude	Like the Sansa line up.
01:48:55	Cooldude	Every single model they made recently has had rockbox made for it.
01:49:31	funman	yeah because sansa used the same hardware for lots of them, so we only needed days of work to add a new one to the list
01:49:40	Cooldude	Oh okay.
01:50:14	Cooldude	Although I think the sansa clip + and rockbox go hand in hand.
01:50:47	Cooldude	Without it, it would be a mediocre player.
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01:51:18	[Saint]	Rockbox goes hand in hand with every media device, they just don't know it yet. :)
01:51:27	Cooldude	I think you're quite right.
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01:51:39	Cooldude	I just never had the opportunity to own any other players that use it.
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01:51:58	Cooldude	Although I have lived long enough to witness all those players come out onto the market.
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01:52:35	Cooldude	Well thank you for your help.
01:52:41	Cooldude	And your answers.
01:52:49	Cooldude	I hope you two have a great.
01:53:19	[Saint]	I hope you're able to become more familiar with the Database vs. Playlists.
01:53:42	Cooldude	Well the best I can do is play around with it if I don't understand.
01:53:54	Cooldude	It won't hurt to play with it.
01:54:20	Cooldude	Worse case scenerio, I uninstall rockbox and the boot loader and install it again.
01:54:27	Cooldude	Right?
01:54:46	Cooldude	Or is there a better way to reset the entire player?
01:54:55	Cooldude	Along with rockbox.
01:56:55	[Saint]	If you manage totally screw the settings, you can reset them on boot or delete the configuration file, if Rockbox as a whole becomes inoperable replacing the .Rockbox folder will suffice.
01:57:15	[Saint]	One very rarely need replace the bootloader.
01:57:50	Cooldude	Do I manually delete the config. file or is there an option on the player?
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02:10:47	[Saint]	There's a boot option (described in the manual) activated byba device specific keypress during boot which will clear the config.
02:10:59	[Saint]	You can, also, do this manually.
02:11:22	[Saint]	*activated by a
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02:19:55	saratoga_	does dircache store a list of all files in the file system or only a subset?
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02:30:32	Cooldude	Well thank you for your help Saint, I hope you have a great day.
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03:13:42	dartmouth	Is there a preferred way to flatten local commits before pushing one?
03:22:15	funman	flatten how?
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03:23:55	dartmouth	from the using git page: "Generally, you will want to flatten your change to a single commit before uploading it". I only have 3 files slightly changed but I have two commits, and I'd like to make it all just one.
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03:25:04	funman	git rebase -i HEAD^2 (that page should mention it)
03:31:25	dartmouth	typed exactly like that? gets me "fatal: Needed a single revision", "Invalid base". I'm not seeing it on the page, that earlier quote is the only mention I can find of grouping individual commits together, and it doesn't help someone that knows next to nothing about git :)
03:32:33	funman	sorry, it's HEAD~2 (or equivalent HEAD^^)
03:32:58	funman	HEAD^^^^^^^^^^ == HEAD~1
03:33:01	funman	HEAD^^^^^^^^^^ == HEAD~10
03:33:34	funman	i.e. 2 or 10 commits before the current one
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04:47:45	dartmouth	I just pushed my first commit, if someone that knows what they're doing can take a peek at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/223 and let me know if I screwed anything up, O
04:47:52	dartmouth	-I'd appreciate it.
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05:16:37	davo	anyone know of a fix for fixing a frozen "scanning disk..." message at boot up? i think it's related to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Formatting_a_Player_that_cannot_get_past_the_Database_Refresh_in_the_OF, however my current build doesn't get interrupted when i remove the USB connection. are there other possible methods to fix a corrupt OF?
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05:35:52	saratoga	davo: isn't the scanning disk message in rockbox, not the sandisk firmware?
05:36:28	davo	yeah the message is ontop of the rockbox startup screen
05:37:50	saratoga	i would check the disk for errors in the sandisk usb mode
05:38:18	davo	i think somewhere it was stated that power-on while holding the 'home' key starts the sandisk firmware, but i can't get that either, so i think the sandisk firmware is messed up
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05:39:05	davo	yeah, i'd like to check anything, but I can't seem to get the device to recognize from a laptop
05:39:59	saratoga	its left, not home
05:40:03	saratoga	IIRC
05:40:31	saratoga	at least for some of the sandisk players
05:40:50	davo	oh man, if that's the case, i should have gone back to check the manual :D
05:40:59	davo	i bet you are right
05:41:38	davo	WOW, that's it
05:42:06	davo	i tried up, down, and home...man i feel dumb :)
05:51:35	[Saint]	Step 1: Documentation :)
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06:39:27	saratoga_	can someone with access to the spam filtering fix r00tb33r's posts?
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07:34:43	JdGordon	veyr slim chance, but is anyone awake and knows how tagcache works?
07:35:39	saratoga_	ping Slasheri
07:38:43	JdGordon	trying to find where the actual file scanning happens
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07:41:04	JdGordon	ah, fonud it
07:45:32	saratoga_	the playlist idea?
07:46:52	JdGordon	yeah
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07:47:25	[Saint]	I never thought I'd see you deliberately sniffing around tagcache :)
07:48:41	JdGordon	I'm hoping to add 3 lines to tagcache.c and thas it :)
07:50:24	*	[Saint] wonders if it'll still he called tagcache.c when it handles tags, it's own rating system, and playlists also...
07:50:43	[Saint]	"tagcache" doesn't really seem to fit.
07:51:01	JdGordon	inded, but renaming it is a pain, and mostly wasted effort
07:52:17	[Saint]	Oh, indeed. I assume there would he a lot of references to take care of.
07:57:40	davo	not sure if i should mention this or not, but getting Download error: received HTTP error 404, when downloading file rockbox-fonts-1060d30-120421.zip using rbutil v1.2.8
07:58:03	[Saint]	Known error. But thanks.
07:58:10	davo	my bad, thanks
07:58:55	JdGordon	OK... so I have the database printing the m3u filenames as thye are found.. now what the heck do I do with them?
07:59:47	[Saint]	Good...ummm...question.
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08:01:13	[Saint]	/Database/Playlists/Playlist_Name/Tracks_listed_in_playlist_order
08:01:18	JdGordon	i could easily build a in ram list and display them, but then the scan needs to happen every boot (which happens anyway?)
08:01:19	[Saint]	?
08:04:00	JdGordon	that would be cool
08:04:06	JdGordon	dunno how to make that work though
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13:00:33	n1s	the rebase −−onto thing seems to be exactly what i was looking for
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14:01:04	bertrik	pamaury, can you bring all of the x-fi's you have to devcon? so I'll have something to hack on during devcon :)
14:01:26	bertrik	gevaerts, I still have your meizu m3 here (somewhere ...)
14:02:24	bertrik	and I think I still have AlexP's DAB-stick player-thing
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14:06:59	*	amiconn still has that Tatung Elio :\\
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14:13:09	bertrik	I can also bring my meizu m6 if anyone wants to hack on it, it's a bit similar to a nano 2g. I got stuck on it because of the Whimory FTL used in it.
14:13:57	JdGordon	Am I correct in thinking that we currently have no mechnism to be notified when a file is added/deleted?
14:15:46	gevaerts	JdGordon: I suspect we have something. IIRC auto-updating the database uses dircache to help with that
14:16:25	*	gevaerts thinks we really need to get mtp working
14:19:03	JdGordon	I have a feeling I need to dig into how dircache actually works :(
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14:20:19	JdGordon	pretty much I tihnk we should have the a thread do the scan and use callbacks for each file found instead of database doing a dedicated scan (even if it uses dircache)
14:20:46	JdGordon	then add some events for "file added/deleted" and boom much cleaner solutions
14:21:25	pamaury	TheLemonMan: pong
14:21:29	pamaury	bertrik: yes
14:22:09	JdGordon	then we can trigger partial scans when removable storage is removed/added
14:22:33	JdGordon	and we can know if the currently playing file is deleted we can skip if it isnt fully buffered, or let it play if it is and close that bug
14:23:03	n1s	sounds nice, go do it :)
14:25:02	pamaury	gevaerts: why mtp ?
14:25:28	JdGordon	no point doing mtp unless linux libmtp is fixed so it is useable :p
14:25:43	pamaury	isn't libmtp working ?
14:25:55	gevaerts	JdGordon: no point fixing libmtp unless there's actually a reason to use it :)
14:26:05	gevaerts	pamaury: realtime fine-grained database updates
14:26:11	n1s	pamaury: with mtp you can actualy know what is being transfered and update databases and whatnot on the fly
14:26:16	JdGordon	pamaury: not in my experience
14:26:23	gevaerts	You know exactly which files were modified
14:26:37	gevaerts	And you don't even have to wait for disconnect to update
14:27:41	pamaury	if someone has enough motivation he/she can try to revive my mtp branch
14:32:43	JdGordon	relative to disk access, taking a callback is basically free right?
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14:37:28	pamaury	JdGordon: yes, notifying file add/delete is basically free, just it needs to be implemented correctly with/without dircache
14:38:03	JdGordon	why is EVENT_CLASS_LCD #defined to 0xf000 when all the others are a single bit?
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14:40:05	pamaury	JdGordon: good question
14:40:33	*	JdGordon changes it
14:43:11	pamaury	I don't know exactly how events work but I'm not even sure there need to be one bit per event
14:43:25	pamaury	class
14:48:16	JdGordon	they dont
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14:48:23	JdGordon	just looks neater
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15:10:17	JdGordon	hmm... crud, we dont store the filename in the fd struct
15:10:33	JdGordon	is there any way to get it back, or would saving it be the only way to do this?
15:10:55	JdGordon	I want it so I can send an event when it is modified
15:11:08	JdGordon	(when it is close()'ed after being written to)
15:11:43	pamaury	JdGordon: I think that was already discussed. If you have the dircache pointer that can be retrieved and for FAT you can also too iirc but it's expensive
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15:12:22	pamaury	othoh, do we really open files to delete them ?
15:12:43	pamaury	ah sorry, you want an even when it's modified
15:12:58	JdGordon	looks like it is stored in the fd's fat_struct so all good
15:13:50	pamaury	oh really ?
15:13:55	JdGordon	oh woops, nope
15:14:01	JdGordon	was looking at fat_dir, not fat_file
15:14:22	pamaury	it's probably the filename, not the file path
15:15:26	JdGordon	2K to store filenames... or not send an event when it is modified...
15:15:27	JdGordon	hmmm
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15:25:23	bertrik	is it expected that HAVE_HOTSWAP is different in the sim than for the real target?
15:28:39	bertrik	hm, ok, apparently it is ...
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15:32:20	bertrik	hah, it looks like clang may have found a bug in apps/codecs/libcook/cook.c : 575
15:32:36	bertrik	the code says memset(decode_buffer, 0, sizeof(decode_buffer)); but decode_buffer is a pointer
15:34:11	bertrik	therefore sizeof(decode_buffer) returns the size of the pointer, not the size of the buffer, which is likely wrong
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15:40:48	bertrik	pamaury, still looks unfixed in a couple of repositories I could find for libavcodec
15:41:14	bertrik	not sure where the official repo is though
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15:48:50	kugel	JdGordon: we have filename(int fd) IIRC
15:50:11	kugel	remember that the fat code isnt used on hosted targets
15:51:07	JdGordon	I know, need to implement all this 3 times :/
15:51:13	JdGordon	target, app, sim :(
15:51:18	bertrik	it appears current libavcodec fixed it already, along with a lot of other fixes
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15:54:22	kugel	sorry, i confused it with filesize()
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16:07:58	n1s	macro
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16:10:47	bertrik	n1s, yes, I'm not touching that with a 10-foot pole
16:12:45	JdGordon	who knows playback.c nowdays?
16:14:06	jhMikeS	no idea
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16:14:25	JdGordon	I want to know if a filename is the currently playing file (easy) and if it is finished buffering or not
16:15:19	jhMikeS	you'll have to ask buffering
16:16:48	jhMikeS	buf_handle_remaining. There's no id3 => handle lookup though
16:17:33	jhMikeS	or do you want to know if ALL handle are done?
16:18:06	jhMikeS	for a particular track?
16:19:01	JdGordon	yes
16:19:26	JdGordon	I want to remove the file from the playlist if it is deleted and not yet fully buffered
16:23:04	jhMikeS	hook BUFFER_EVENT_FINISHED and see if it's an audio handle, then you know it just completed
16:23:53	jhMikeS	even playback has no strict ordering and really doesn't have a clear idea of what load in what order
16:24:14	jhMikeS	just the order it adds handles into the track list
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16:25:02	JdGordon	hmm, nuts
16:26:53	jhMikeS	codec has the currently decoding file, but what's buffering isn't necessarily current
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16:28:08	jhMikeS	I guess you'd have to scan the buffer and see if anything not finished is deleted
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16:29:48	JdGordon	so unconditionally deleteing is probably safest?
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16:31:45	jhMikeS	JdGordon: from where, disk or playlist?
16:33:23	jhMikeS	if it fails for metadata or audio, playback should just skip it, for other missing stuff it tries to keep going
16:33:57	JdGordon	jhMikeS: from disk
16:34:06	JdGordon	sorry, from the playlist
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16:34:31	JdGordon	what i meant to say is, "unconditionally skipping tracks if the current track has ben rmeoved from disk is easiest"
16:34:55	jhMikeS	playback needs to know or else its playlist offset will be wrong
16:35:47	JdGordon	g#224
16:35:49	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #224 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,224 : filesystem events: Add a new event to trigger on file access. by Jonathan Gordon (changes/24/224/1)
16:36:01	JdGordon	I just do audio_next() or audio_stop() if the current track is the deleted one
16:36:23	JdGordon	it will break if it is the next track and partially buffered though so not quite finished yet
16:36:38	JdGordon	but this is an example of what I want to add
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16:37:48	jhMikeS	audio_flush_and_reload tracks is needed
16:37:58	jhMikeS	*audio_flush_and_reload_tracks
16:39:19	JdGordon	Do we really want to do that unconditionally thoguh?
16:40:21	JdGordon	maybe the callback should be in playback.c instead so we can know how far into the playlist we need to check the deleted file
16:40:45	jhMikeS	all indexes need to be updated so that offset 1 is the next track
16:41:13	JdGordon	the indexes are safe because the file is still in the playlist
16:41:16	jhMikeS	if you remove the next track, now what was at offset 2 is offset 1
16:41:35	jhMikeS	you could mark it as bad without touching the playlist
16:42:26	JdGordon	it will do that automatically if it tries to buffer it and the file has dissapeared
16:42:32	JdGordon	the issue is if it has started to buffer it
16:43:05	JdGordon	presumably playback knows how far into the playlist it has buffered?
16:44:29	jhMikeS	it does, whatever it opened handles to has started buffering, which would be at the track list write possition
16:47:42	jhMikeS	the last slot is current until the audio handle has begun since it's the last one that is started, then it advances it to the next free one. buffering handles actually filling it whenever it gets around to it or a codec needs it immediately
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16:50:48	JdGordon	sleep time, I'll give it a go during the week (unless you want to take over that part of the patch? :)
16:51:28	jhMikeS	Too busy on DSP renovation right this sec :)
16:54:46	jhMikeS	the synchonization between playlist changes and what playback is doing is quite poor
16:55:37	jhMikeS	really, it should create another playlist and swap it in one shot
16:58:30	jhMikeS	or tell playback directly that it needs to reevaluate things. it only asks playlists for a track filename name and after than it runs on its own to get the other info
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18:42:43	Cooldude	?
18:43:07	Cooldude	Anyways, in regards to what people here told me yesterday
18:43:17	Cooldude	It is possible to play all the tracks of any given artist
18:43:35	evilnick	Yes
18:43:41	Cooldude	In fact, my player is capable of doing it
18:43:48	Cooldude	You do agree?
18:44:22	Cooldude	Two individuals yesterday told me otherwise. That it was impossible for it to happen.
18:44:35	Cooldude	That rockbox doesn't support such a function.
18:45:11	evilnick	That sounds wrong to me
18:45:15	Cooldude	What does?
18:45:32	evilnick	That Rockbox would not allow the user to play all the tracks from one artist
18:45:35	n1s	why would rockbox care what artisc performs in a track?
18:45:39	evilnick	It does
18:46:11	Cooldude	It's not about that n1s
18:46:51	Cooldude	Earlier, we were talking about how rockbox can only play a single track of any given artist. In order to play another, you have to manually go to the database and choose another one.
18:47:26	n1s	that sounds wrong
18:47:42	gevaerts	That is wronf
18:47:45	gevaerts	*wrong
18:47:54	Cooldude	By the way, I was wondering
18:48:07	Cooldude	My favourite earbuds have once again failed me after using them for 2 years.
18:48:25	Cooldude	The left driver is quieter than the right.
18:48:37	Cooldude	Should changing the balance fix the problem?
18:49:21	evilnick	Cooldude: You're selecting the music in the wrong way if you're only getting a playlist of one song
18:50:02	Cooldude	Well I have no idea what I did yesterday.
18:50:37	Cooldude	But I amongst all the playing around with the functions, I pressed any or some other function other than repeat. So now it plays all the songs.
18:50:41	amiconn	JdGordon: Afaik playback already does skip nonexisting files, so no need to add a check for this
18:50:59	amiconn	I don't know exactly what you're trying to do though
18:51:08	Cooldude	Look
18:51:15	Cooldude	Even if I made a playlist of 234 songs
18:51:22	Cooldude	It will always be at 1/234
18:51:42	Cooldude	If I press the right button to change the track, it'll repeat the entire song.
18:51:44	amiconn	It even tells the playlist code when it failed to load (gets marked in the playlist viewer)
18:51:49	evilnick	You had Repeat set to On or A-B
18:51:54	evilnick	One*
18:51:55	Cooldude	Oh okay
18:52:45	Cooldude	There are a few things I'd like to find out about the apps
18:52:54	Cooldude	since the manual barely says anything
18:53:06	Cooldude	other than the instructions of how to use the current ones
18:53:24	Cooldude	I have a clip+ and Iwas wondering where can I find the gameboy emulator?
18:54:30	n1s	copy a rom to the player and select (play) it in the filebrowser
18:55:29	Cooldude	So the emulator already exists in the player?
18:55:54	Cooldude	Since I don't see it in the plugins list. Nor is it shown or explained in the manual.
18:55:59	n1s	all the plugins are nstalled with rockbox (however some require extra resources)
18:56:07	evilnick	It may not work on the clip+ then
18:56:21	Cooldude	So what players do you two own?
18:56:28	gevaerts	Cooldude: I'd say the manual is rather clear about this
18:56:29	Cooldude	PMPs or whatever.
18:56:32	n1s	it's a viewer and therefore not int he list as you launch it by selecting an appropriate file
18:56:52	gevaerts	"To start a game, open a ROM file saved as .gb or .gbc in the file browser"
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18:59:51	Cooldude	Darn it.
18:59:57	Cooldude	You're right, it does explain it.
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19:00:37	Cooldude	I was confused since I never saw Rockboy in the Demos section.
19:01:08	Cooldude	I was wondering, whats the purpose of all those screen savers?
19:01:22	gevaerts	They're demos, not screensavers
19:01:32	Cooldude	What is their purpose?
19:01:37	n1s	and they don't have a purpose a ssuch :)
19:01:50	Cooldude	They seem gimicky since they're so far away from the music files.
19:02:01	gevaerts	They have the same purpose as demos on other platforms: show off
19:02:51	Cooldude	I love the one that is called Osciloscope.
19:03:01	[Saint]	I read the log...and you seem to have a really warped idea of what you were told yesterday.
19:03:14	Cooldude	Oh, its you!
19:03:17	Cooldude	Hello Saint.
19:03:22	[Saint]	I said multiple times it was possible to play all tracks of a given artist.
19:03:40	[Saint]	I even demonstrated how.
19:03:48	Cooldude	You told me to make a playlist.
19:04:02	Cooldude	And only playlists are the only to to do it.
19:04:12	Cooldude	Thats the way you demonstrated it how.
19:04:17	[Saint]	I said use the database, which involves a playlist, yes.
19:04:24	Cooldude	Indeed, you did.
19:04:33	[Saint]	All playback is playlist based in Rockbox.
19:04:51	Cooldude	Go into the database, and through the context menu make a playlist.
19:05:03	Cooldude	However!
19:05:05	gevaerts	Go into the database, select your artist, go to "all tracks", and press select
19:05:21	gevaerts	That will make a playlist with all tracks in the current list
19:05:43	[Saint]	I was possibly a little non-descript there.
19:05:43	Cooldude	I asked you clearly whether or not its possible to play all the tracks of any given artist, and you told me no even after I asked for clarification if you understood my question.
19:05:44	bertrik	selecting database/artist/<artist>/<all tracks> creates a playlist with all tracks from that artist
19:06:08	[Saint]	I said YES multiple times!
19:07:00	[Saint]	Whatvtou read from what I said, and what I said and meant by it, seem to he polar opposites.
19:07:09	[Saint]	*what you
19:07:45	Cooldude	Why can't I find what I wrote in the logs?
19:08:01	Cooldude	Didn't I communicate with you on the 21st?
19:08:38	[Saint]	It possibly has something to do with why you completely misunderstood me...I'm nor sure why you can't find it in the logs.
19:09:38	[Saint]	You asked "is there a function that allows playback of all tracks of the current artist"
19:09:38	Cooldude	Maybe I have.
19:09:48	Cooldude	Yes I did, and you answered that question.
19:09:58	[Saint]	I responded "no". I then outlined how it is possible.
19:10:03	[Saint]	Multiple times.
19:10:29	Cooldude	And you said to make a playlist?
19:10:45	Cooldude	via the context menu
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19:11:03	[Saint]	Yes.
19:11:47	Cooldude	So does that mean I have to make a playlist for every artist that has more than one track?
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19:12:13	[Saint]	You're idea of "make a playlist" is confusing you.
19:12:19	Cooldude	It might be.
19:12:28	Cooldude	Actually.
19:12:34	[Saint]	Every time you play anything in Rockbox, it is a playlist.
19:12:35	Cooldude	Can you tell me how you came to that conclusion?
19:12:42	Cooldude	Oh.
19:12:50	[Saint]	It doesn't mean you need a thousand playlists sitting around.
19:13:04	[Saint]	Its just playback is playlist based.
19:13:14	Cooldude	Oh okay.
19:13:37	Cooldude	Well that clears it up.
19:13:39	Cooldude	Thank you.
19:14:28	Cooldude	By the way, I was wondering, whats the purpose of the 0 in the LCD contrast menu?
19:16:05	Cooldude	How can one use the player if the screen is turned off?
19:16:46	soap	we have voiced menus
19:17:01	Cooldude	Oh, okay.
19:17:23	[Saint]	That's a valid point, I guess, if O == "no visible ui" in any given situation on a device.
19:17:52	Cooldude	Thank you.
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19:17:57	soap	and any given variant of the screen. I don't know if there are multiple screens for your player.
19:18:13	Cooldude	Its a clip +
19:18:19	Cooldude	It has one tiny screen.
19:19:22	Cooldude	I was wondering, what should I do if all the text is replaced with boxes?
19:19:22	[Saint]	Its possible to restore a botched configuration at boot time so at worst its a hilarious lesson for the sighted I suppose :)
19:20:19	[Saint]	Change your font to a font, usually.
19:20:23	Cooldude	I pressed on shortcuts but for some reason the language switched from English to another one that was replaced with boxes since the player can't support it.
19:20:32	[Saint]	That doesn't work. Week.
19:20:43	[Saint]	Ah, type fail!
19:20:48	Cooldude	Mind you, the menus are still there but it is impossible to know what is what.
19:20:55	Cooldude	Its all boxes.
19:21:01	[Saint]	Change your font to a font which supports those characters, usually.
19:21:23	Cooldude	How if its impossible to look at look through the menu?
19:21:25	evilnick	You could connect it to a computer and change the font/language that way
19:21:29	Cooldude	Oh okay.
19:21:39	evilnick	There's a config file on the root of the player
19:21:55	Cooldude	Alright then, I never knew I was user friendly.
19:21:59	Cooldude	Thanks.
19:22:03	Cooldude	it was*
19:22:04	[Saint]	Its highly possible that whatever font you're using has non of the chars used if they're particularly exotic.
19:22:15	bertrik	Language settings from the main menu is 4th / 3rd / 9th
19:22:40	evilnick	Cooldude: Because Rockbox has been around for so long, most use-cases have been dealt with quite efficiently :)
19:22:42	[Saint]	16 Unifont has the best char support of any given font.
19:23:06	Cooldude	Oh okay, thanks evilnick.
19:23:14	Cooldude	:D
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19:23:34	Cooldude	I think most of my questions have been answered.
19:23:55	Cooldude	Thank you very much evilnick, Sanit and soap for your help. I appreciate it.
19:24:04	Cooldude	:D
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20:06:13	Cooldude	Hello again
20:06:53	Cooldude	I was wondering, are there any patches to have the PMP turned off when charging with the use of an adapter?
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20:10:04	evilnick	Cooldude: How would that work?
20:11:05	Cooldude	Well, have it in a hibernation mode of sorts.
20:11:12	Cooldude	Just like a laptop.
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20:11:21	evilnick	I mean, how would the DAP/PMP know that your intention was to charge it quickly, rather than just keeping it plugged in and playing music like at a party?
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20:11:37	Cooldude	Ah.
20:11:38	gevaerts	Most audio players can't charge while switched off. This is a hardware limitation
20:11:51	Cooldude	You've got a good point.
20:12:08	Cooldude	I know!
20:12:23	Cooldude	Well, say you were to plug in the player and turn it off.
20:12:47	Cooldude	Then it would know its charging because its plugged in while receiving electricity.
20:12:59	Cooldude	Does that sound right?
20:13:34	Cooldude	If electrical charge is going through the USB port without any data thus its being charged.
20:13:40	evilnick	If it's turned off then you don't need a patch
20:14:19	Cooldude	I do because its impossible to turn it off when plugged in.
20:14:54	gevaerts	As I said, the hardware doesn't support this. There's nothing we can do about that
20:15:21	Cooldude	Nevermind.
20:15:24	Cooldude	I turned it off.
20:15:35	Cooldude	Now its a question of whether or not its charging.
20:16:43	Cooldude	I wonder, is rockbox an on going project? Or will it end at one point or another?
20:17:26	gevaerts	Yes
20:17:47	*	evilnick agrees with gevaerts on this one
20:18:59	Cooldude	Sorry but I don't understand which question you're replying to.
20:19:29	gevaerts	Both
20:19:36	evilnick	It is either a project that is ongoing OR it will end at one point or another.
20:19:41	gevaerts	It's an ongoing project that will end at one point or another
20:19:41	evilnick	It's a perfectly clear reply
20:20:39	Cooldude	Thank you.
20:20:46	Cooldude	Now it is.
20:22:35	Cooldude	By the way, gevaerts and evilnick , can you tell me what your favourite patches are?
20:22:53	gevaerts	Why would I have favourite patches?
20:23:55	Cooldude	I don't know, if you don't its perfectly fine with me.
20:24:11	evilnick	There's a cabbage patch near where my parents live that's rather entrancing but I'm not sure how that's ontopic
20:24:56	Cooldude	I was referring to rockbox patches though I find that very funny.
20:25:01	Cooldude	although *
20:28:14	Cooldude	By the way, if you don't mind me asking if this is too personal, what plays do you guys own that support rockbox?
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20:30:36	gevaerts	Sansa c250, iriver h320, gigabeat f20, gigabeat f60, iriver h120 (2x), cowon d2, gigabeat s30, archos jukebox, ipod mini 2g, iriver h10, mrobe 100, sansa e280, sansa clip, mrobe 500, sansa fuzev2, samsung yh925
20:30:45	gevaerts	Oh, and iaudio x5l
20:30:56	gevaerts	and ipod video
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20:32:36	Cooldude	That's quite the huge collection you've got there.
20:32:50	Cooldude	Impressive.
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20:33:27	MCrase	The sansa line are the only ones still available for sale (barring ebay and what have you) though right?
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20:35:00	Cooldude	Err, you could still buy anything on ebay.
20:35:29	Cooldude	However its teh clip zip and hte clip + that are still on sale in stores.
20:35:38	Cooldude	However they're going off the market really soon.
20:36:07	MCrase	Buying an older mp3 player though you might have to replace the battery. Li-ion batteries don't exactly last that long.
20:37:27	Cooldude	Do most mp3 players have Li-ion batteries?
20:37:34	Cooldude	Now-a-days
20:37:35	Cooldude	?
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20:38:09	Cooldude	Or is li-ion the only chargable battery?
20:38:13	bertrik	yes
20:38:52	Cooldude	Oh okay.
20:39:40	MCrase	I don't think I've seen anything but li-ion's in consumer electronics. They don't usually use Ni-MH or Ni-Cd batteries in anything but tools and toys.
20:39:40	Cooldude	In other news I'd like to report
20:39:55	Cooldude	Its possible to charge your DAP when its off
20:39:57	Cooldude	with rockbox
20:40:23	gevaerts	Cooldude: are you trolling?
20:40:33	Cooldude	No, I'm completely serious.
20:41:00	gevaerts	You asked that half an hour ago
20:41:14	Cooldude	If you don't remember, earlier in this conversation I wrote that we'll have to see what happens.
20:41:24	Cooldude	Thats when I turned it off.
20:41:40	Cooldude	I also wrote earlier that it is possible to turn it off when its charging.
20:41:40	gevaerts	I remember
20:42:02	gevaerts	You however clearly didn't read what anyone else said
20:42:29	Cooldude	Oh?
20:42:31	Cooldude	I thought I did.
20:42:43	gevaerts	So I don't see why anyone should answer again
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21:02:56	Cooldude	Anyways
21:03:10	Cooldude	Gevaerts, you clearly told me that it doesn't have that function
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21:03:30	Cooldude	I'll test it once more
21:03:38	Cooldude	At the moment its at 46 and I'll turn it off
21:03:55	Cooldude	Its off.
21:04:01	Cooldude	And plugged in.
21:04:21	Cooldude	Mind you, it does takes 13 seconds to turn it off when plugged in instead of the usual 2 when its not.
21:14:03	Cooldude	Okay, I'll document my experience here seeing as how its logged.
21:14:12	Cooldude	I would think that 15-20 minutes have passed.
21:14:23	Cooldude	Now I will turn on the player while its plugged in.
21:14:36	Cooldude	Its not at 43.
21:14:44	Cooldude	now*
21:14:56	Cooldude	44
21:15:03	Cooldude	45
21:15:16	Cooldude	46
21:15:39	Cooldude	Now its back at the original charge level, for some odd reason it plummeted while it was off.
21:15:55	Cooldude	The charge is rapidly increasing, its now at 47.
21:16:00	Cooldude	48
21:16:04	bluebrother	23
21:16:53	Cooldude	Well it didn't go any higher than 48.
21:17:34	Cooldude	Now its at 49 however the interval of time between 48 and 49 is the same as if its on.
21:18:09	evilnick	Cooldude: It was 10 minutes that you left it plugged in and off for
21:18:18	Cooldude	Oh.
21:18:33	*	bluebrother prepares to extend the ignore list
21:18:57	Cooldude	Actually 14 minutes
21:19:20	Cooldude	Either way, in conclusion, its best to leave it on and turning it off doesn't make a significant differance.
21:19:28	evilnick	20:03 to 20:14
21:20:03	Cooldude	Keep in mind that we're in different time zones.
21:20:12	evilnick	HAHAHAHAHAH!
21:20:20	Cooldude	But yes, you're right- 10 minutes.
21:20:48	Cooldude	11 actually but whatever.
21:22:43	Cooldude	Have a good day.
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21:34:48	CIA-44	Commit 885db72 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: gitscraper: support Python3.
21:35:22	bluebrother	AlexP: in case you're doing the next release this should make things easier for you :)
21:37:08	AlexP	bluebrother: ooh, ta :)
21:37:24	CIA-44	885db72 build result: All green
21:38:07	bluebrother	I've decided to finally bite the bullet and see what's needed to make scripts work with Python3
21:38:18	AlexP	good luck :)
21:38:52	bluebrother	actually wasn't that hard
21:39:06	bluebrother	just (as usual) work that required time to do it :)
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22:12:40	bluebrother	AlexP: are you maintaining the Google Calendar for Rockbox?
22:12:51	AlexP	bluebrother: Yes, sort of
22:13:01	bluebrother	can you add DevCon? It seems to be missing :)
22:13:07	AlexP	Sure
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22:13:16	AlexP	I can also give you the password if you would like :)
22:13:28	bluebrother	I don't think there's much for me to contribute
22:13:39	bluebrother	just noticed that DevCon was missing ;-)
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22:16:29	AlexP	bluebrother: Can you see it now?
22:19:44	gevaerts	AlexP: I can see it now (twice... It's also in my work calendar :)
22:20:06	AlexP	cool :)
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22:30:29	nortega	does anyone here know a linux operating system I can use for my iPod classic?
22:32:54	nortega	if you do please send the e-mail to nicolas.ortega.froysa@gmail.com
22:33:04	nortega	thanks
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