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00:35:37JdGordonamiconn: yes, it does. the special handling is only needed for partially buffered tracks
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03:16:21[Saint]From the mailing list, before I answer again, if you did manage to generate talk files for existing talk files, they wouldn't have the double extension would they?
03:17:30[Saint]As isn't the extension stripped from what is talked (possibly a second option to voice extensions iirc)
03:19:27[Saint]Hum...but, nope. Confused myself.
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06:52:12kylethedarknHello, I just installed Rockbox on my Sansa Fuze+ and I was wondering if anybody knew why album art for flac files isn't displayed? I'm not sure if it's not added yet because the fuze+ isn't fully supported yet, or if it's some error on my part. Or maybe it's just not possible. XD
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07:02:19[Saint]kylethedarkn: the manual has a fine section on album art.
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07:05:15kylethedarknAm I just blind? What section is it under if you could be so kind?
07:07:17[Saint]I'm on my mobile at traffic lights, so its not terribly convenient for me to poke there myself.
07:07:27[Saint]Is there not a search function?
07:07:58kylethedarknOh, I missed it up there. Lemme try taht
07:11:36kylethedarknHere we are. Darn, I guess Rockbox doesn't support embedded album art for flac at all. Looks like I installed it for nothing. I would have thought it would though. Oh well.
07:11:50kylethedarknThanks for the help btw.
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07:13:35[Saint]You can use one of a great number of tools to extract the embedded art to one of our many supported art locations/naming schemes.
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07:14:35[Saint]The manual explains the naming scheme, location, and order of preference.
07:15:43kylethedarknYes, I saw that. I am just hesitant to do that. There seemed to be a lot of restrictions on what filetypes and types of filetypes could be used, also filesizes. I embedded all my flac with album art that was at least 500x500px
07:16:13[Saint]Which is totally irrelevant for album art use :)
07:16:36[Saint]The largest dimension should be the smallest dimension of the screen.
07:16:54[Saint]That's the maximum size it can display anyway, any larger is waste.
07:17:17kylethedarknTrue, I just wanted the files to display nicely on whatever device including my computer
07:18:42[Saint]I strip all my embedded art, as its pretty much waste. There's no need for per-file art in Rockbox unless you want a different image for each track (...maybe people do that? Dunno...)
07:19:14kylethedarknI usually only have one song per album
07:19:25[Saint]I have a single "cover.jpg", sized accordingly, in each album directory.
07:19:27kylethedarknAnd I don't want a billion picture files laying around XD
07:19:45kylethedarknI also don't have album directories all my music is in one folder
07:19:53[Saint]It'd take up less room than your embedded art :)
07:20:01[Saint]And, you can mark it hidden.
07:20:27[Saint]Each to their own, however.
07:20:39kylethedarknI just want everything to be within the music file is all. Don't want to worry about moving or deleting album art
07:20:53kylethedarknIt's easier that way
07:21:25[Saint]"Everything in one folder" is really a nightmare when it comes to album art in Rockbox, unfortunately.
07:21:49[Saint]In general, really :)
07:21:55kylethedarknWell I've found this one program that says it can make it work by doing artist-album.jpg
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07:22:15kylethedarknSo hopefully this'll work nicely. Then I can move on to figuring out how to get this theme not to crash
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07:24:31[Saint]Which theme/symptoms?
07:25:40*[Saint] wishes to point out he's long since pulled over (not "one of those guys on the bloody phone while driving...") :)
07:26:19kylethedarknAh thank you. The theme is Rayboradio_ypr0 and it goes to the panic screen when I try to select the theme.
07:27:38[Saint]Ooooohhh...nice. Do you recall the panic message specifically by any chance?
07:27:51kylethedarknNo, but gimme a second and I can recreate it.
07:28:59[Saint]As that really shouldn't happen, it should fail gracefully (or at least partly so).
07:31:14kylethedarknI accidentally uninstalled the bootloader, so that's installing again right now, should have the info soon
07:32:35kylethedarknOkay here we go: *PANIC* Stkov main bt pc: 0x6004CD7C, sp: 0x600A4CEC A: 0x6004CDD4 bt end
07:32:59kylethedarknThat in black text on a white screen
07:33:26[Saint]Could you also report the build version, please?
07:34:51kylethedarknIt is the latest build. I used the rockbox utility to install. I'm not sure where the lastest build version is listed
07:35:21[Saint]The panic message, and knowing the exact build, enables one to view (hopefully) exactly where the error is taking place.
07:35:28[Saint]Which helps immensely.
07:35:40kylethedarkn3.11.2 Looks like the latest build
07:36:47[Saint]System - Rockbox Info
07:37:01[Saint]This will report the exact revision.
07:37:47kylethedarknOkay Version: 885db72-120422
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07:52:39kylethedarknDo you know how frequently there's a new build? I know rockbox is pretty buggy on the fuze+ right now.
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08:06:55kylethedarknHmm, the album art thing didn't work.
08:07:19kylethedarknOr at least it isn't displaying any album art even though it's in .rockbox/albumart
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08:39:56amiconnJdGordon: Hmm, what does swcodec playback do in such a case? I do remember testing this case on hwcodec a long time ago, and it copes. It just plays what's buffered, then skips to the next track.
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10:31:13wodzZagor: Could you update frontpage? This should push Hifimans to unstable
10:31:42Zagorwodz: done
10:37:30wodzZagor: What is the meaning of extra column in 'delta' view?
10:43:20kylethedarknIf all I did was modify a theme's backdrops,font,iconset, and wps file, does that constitute a new theme?
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10:45:25kugelisnt that about everything you can modify? :)
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10:50:24kylethedarknWell I didn't touch the sbs file and it's mostly minor tweaks to make it look a bit better and then a change of background to fit the new layout
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10:59:59kylethedarknIs there a screenshot tool for rockbox so that I can capture what this theme tweak looks like?
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11:01:51wodzkylethedarkn: you can use simulator to do this
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11:03:08kylethedarknOkay, and then one more question. Is there a setting in rockbox to control what amount of time passes before the screen dims, and where would is be?
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11:04:12wodzkylethedarkn: it is. I strongly advice to read manual :-)
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11:10:29kylethedarknHmm, the simulator can't actually play anything
11:10:34kylethedarknSo the album art check fails
11:11:23kylethedarknWait nevermind
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11:30:20kylethedarknAlright is this enough to call this a new theme?
11:31:38gevaertskylethedarkn: you know there are themes on the theme site that are little more than cabbiev2 with a new colour?
11:31:51kylethedarknOh really?
11:32:06kylethedarknI did not know that. Then this is definitely enough
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11:53:10NinemmtylenolHello is there anyone here?
11:55:24[Saint]Please, just ask your question.
11:55:36NinemmtylenolI was checking the port on the Sansa Fuze +.
11:55:44NinemmtylenolAnd it said that charging is working.
11:55:50NinemmtylenolAnd I just got the latest version of the port.
11:55:58NinemmtylenolAnd I can't get charging to work.
11:56:10NinemmtylenolUnless booted into official fw.
11:57:03NinemmtylenolSo am I missing something or was the info inncorect?
11:57:18[Saint]What happens whn you plug USB/charger?
11:57:33Ninemmtylenol"USB Boot Mode"
11:57:47NinemmtylenolBoot loader screen shows only.
11:58:06NinemmtylenolAnd when I take it out or just power it on with out being plugged in it will boot to RB.
11:58:14NinemmtylenolThen I would plug it back in.
11:58:25NinemmtylenolAnd then I would get the USB icon to show.
11:58:28NinemmtylenolBut no charging.
11:59:36[Saint]I believe to charge without mounting you need to hold a (Target specific) key during USB insertion.
11:59:45[Saint]The manual should state which.
11:59:53gevaertsThat was changed to "any key"
11:59:58Torneit's possible it doesn't charge in the bootloader; some don't
12:00:07Torneit should charge if you boot rockbox and then plug it in
12:00:13Tornewhether or not it actually mounts, it should charge either way
12:00:22NinemmtylenolYou mean boot in the official fw?
12:00:25NinemmtylenolThen charge?
12:00:27[Saint]Indeed, good point.
12:00:41Torneno, boot rockbox, then plug the usb cable in. if you get the usb icon, then it should also be charging
12:00:54NinemmtylenolIt's not though.
12:01:04Tornehow are you determining that it is not?
12:01:16NinemmtylenolThat I have had it plugged in for an hour.
12:01:18Tornedoes it display the charging icon on the status bar?
12:01:23NinemmtylenolAnd it goes right back off.
12:01:36ZagorNinemmtylenol: did you boot rockbox before plugging in usb?
12:01:46NinemmtylenolZagor, Yep
12:01:51NinemmtylenolUsed both methods.
12:01:51Zagorit sounds like you plug in usb when the player is powered off
12:02:07NinemmtylenolI did both.
12:02:18NinemmtylenolWith usb boot showing.
12:02:23gevaertsYou'll need to talk to pamaury
12:02:23NinemmtylenolAnd with RB loaded.
12:02:57NinemmtylenolThat the person incharge of the build?
12:03:12Tornewhat actual version do you have?
12:03:14gevaertsNobody is "in charge", but he did most of the work on the fuze+
12:03:22NinemmtylenolAhh okay.
12:03:43NinemmtylenolTorne, the the reccomend version of the unstable port to the fuze +.
12:03:54TorneWhat specific, exact version do you have?
12:03:55NinemmtylenolGimme a sec and I will get specifics.
12:05:02NinemmtylenolSansa Fuze+ 885db74 (2012-04-22T21:37:26)
12:05:03Tornethe fuze+ charging appears to be identical to the beast, so i can't see why it wouldn't work
12:05:32JdGordonamiconn: it can be unpredictable, there is a open bug where it completly stops working after failing to play a semi buffered track
12:07:15NinemmtylenolIs there a certain model of the fuze+ that this was tested on "working"?
12:07:40pamaurywhat is the problem with the fuze+ ?
12:07:41Tornei assume you mean 885db72 but hey :p
12:08:10Zagorpamaury: scroll up. Ninemmtylenol has problems charging.
12:09:07NinemmtylenolAlso would it be better to use the default theme if I were to get support on this?
12:09:55pamaurythe fuze+ doesn't charge in bootloader, we haven't release a new bootloader with this feature
12:11:01NinemmtylenolSo what about the fully loaded rb, it doesn't charge there either.
12:11:10pamaurythat's unlikely
12:11:17NinemmtylenolBut it's not.
12:11:26pamaurydoes it power down ?
12:11:54NinemmtylenolThe only way I can get it to charge is with the official fw.
12:13:02pamauryok, then could you charge a bit (like >10%) then boot in rockbox? There are some useful information in the debug menu that could help us understand why ?
12:13:57NinemmtylenolK I'm at debug.
12:14:04NinemmtylenolBut it told me to keep out XD
12:14:16pamaurygo in view HW info
12:14:38NinemmtylenolWhich name?
12:15:06pamauryDebug Menu > View HW Info
12:15:13NinemmtylenolI'm there.
12:15:18pamauryskip the two first screens
12:15:24NinemmtylenolDown key?
12:15:38pamauryany key except back should do
12:15:51NinemmtylenolK there.
12:15:51pamaurythe third one displays the battery readout "mV" and "raw", what is the value ?
12:16:41NinemmtylenolThird line is temp.
12:16:53NinemmtylenolI see it now.
12:17:08pamaurythird screen, first two lines
12:17:15kylethedarknI'm gonna sneak a question in here: Is there anyway to set up a wps file to display different background images based on whether or not Album Art is detected?
12:17:16NinemmtylenolmV: 3808, raw: 476
12:17:34[Saint]kylethedarkn: no.
12:17:47pamauryok, then go to next screen
12:17:57NinemmtylenolK there
12:18:13kylethedarknHmm, darn.
12:18:45[Saint]Though, you could fake it easily enough now.
12:19:34pamaurythere are lots of values, it would be really nice if you could copy all of the values with usb cable unplugged first and then plug the cable and follow the two values "5V: chargelim" and "4.2V: en: "
12:19:43[Saint]You could draw a fullscreen viewport and push an image into he backdrop buffer conditionally based on %?C
12:19:52[Saint]kylethedarkn: ↑
12:20:11Ninemmtylenolpamaury, Any way to take a screen shot? XD
12:20:21[Saint]Inordinate that superfluous 8
12:20:39*[Saint] gives up typing
12:20:52kylethedarknHow do you determine what viewports are on top?
12:20:56pamauryNinemmtylenol: yes
12:20:56kylethedarknI didn't see any parameter for that
12:21:14pamauryselect Debug Menu > Screendump, then display the screen you want and plug the usb cable
12:22:09[Saint]kylethedarkn: that's because there is none. There is no conceptof front or back. Only viewport and backdrop.
12:22:14pamauryit will create a file at the root of the filesystem, a bitmap with the date and time
12:24:53[Saint]kylethedarkn: the manual explains how an image can be drawn directly to the backdrop buffer from a viewport. This is the closes you can get to a reliable concept of front and back.
12:25:59kylethedarknokay, looking now
12:32:10pamauryNinemmtylenol: did you manage to take a screenshot ?
12:34:12kylethedarknHmm, I'm not seeing that in the manual. Only that it's possible to set a backdrop for the menu
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12:38:24Kylethedarkn2Shouldn't something like this work: %?C<%Vd(e)|%Vd(f)>
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12:39:04Ninemmtylenolpamaury, You know
12:39:09NinemmtylenolI just wrote all that down.
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12:39:16NinemmtylenolAnd forgot to look at chat.
12:39:25pamauryah sorry
12:39:31NinemmtylenolNah it's k
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12:39:38NinemmtylenolWhere do you want me to send the files?
12:40:05NinemmtylenolSure enough.
12:44:26NinemmtylenolK got em up.
12:44:37[Saint]Kylethedarkn2: no, no, that won't work.
12:44:49[Saint]As I said, backdrops cannot be set conditionally.
12:45:14Ninemmtylenolpamaury, Unplugged:
12:45:14Ninemmtylenol Plugged:
12:45:50Kylethedarkn2Hmm, I'm not understand what you mean by loading an image directly into the backdrop layer then
12:45:57Kylethedarkn2I didn't see anything about that in the manual
12:46:52pamauryNinemmtylenol: are you sure it's when the usb cable is unplugged ?
12:47:30[Saint] - Viewport Draw Layer
12:47:41[Saint]Kylethedarkn2: ^
12:47:54Ninemmtylenolpamaury, With that data I showed you, yeah.
12:48:38pamaurycan you go to the next screen
12:48:43Kylethedarkn2Aha, thanks
12:49:01pamaurywhat does it display when the cable is unplugged ?
12:49:07Ninemmtylenol"State: Discharing:
12:49:27pamauryplug the cable
12:49:43CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
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12:49:46Ninemmtylenol"State: trickle"
12:49:58*Ninemmtylenol wants this to work.
12:50:21NinemmtylenolIt's "State: Charging"
12:50:48NinemmtylenolAbout a 7 second delay till the status changes from "trickle" to "charging"
12:50:56pamaurythat's normal
12:51:01pamaurynow go back to the previous screen (press back and then go through the screen)
12:51:39NinemmtylenolYep here.
12:53:06pamaurywhat is the value of "4.2: en: " ?
12:53:21pamauryand pwd_4.2_charge ?
12:53:26Kylethedarkn2So then like:
12:53:27Kylethedarkn2%?C<%V(0,0,-,-,-)%VB%x(wpsbackdrop-240x320x16.bmp,0,0)%V(0,0,-,-,-)|%V(0,0,-,-,-)%VB%x(wpsbackdrop2- 240x320x16.bmp,0,0)%V(0,0,-,-,-)>
12:53:42NinemmtylenolThe screen went black.
12:54:03pamauryit happen some times, never found out why
12:54:58NinemmtylenolHolding the power button isn't reseting it like usual.
12:55:26pamauryyou need to hold it for at least 10 seconds
12:55:32pamauryand then release it
12:55:36NinemmtylenolBut it's been forever.
12:55:42NinemmtylenolIt's back on.
12:55:46NinemmtylenolSpeak of the devil/
12:56:21[Saint]Kylethedarkn2: no, you can't do that.
12:56:38pamauryNinemmtylenol: I'm going for lunch, be back soon
12:56:52NinemmtylenolSure thing
12:57:00NinemmtylenolWill let you know when you get back.
12:57:14*Ninemmtylenol wants some breakfast.
12:57:28Kylethedarkn2How would you go about doing it then? The manual says you have to do a %V then %VB then %x then %V
12:57:38Kylethedarkn2And then I have to somehow make that conditional
12:58:03[Saint]Its only an example, use conditional viewports.
12:58:25[Saint]As opposed to calligraphy static viewports with a condition, which is impossible.
12:58:33NinemmtylenolKylethedarkn2, Does this still have to do with the bg image?
12:58:51[Saint]Damn I hate this keyboard
12:59:34Ninemmtylenol[Saint], Get a logitech one.
12:59:37NinemmtylenolAre really nice.
13:00:02NinemmtylenolKylethedarkn2, What are you trying to do, like is some album art not showing?
13:01:38Kylethedarkn2I'm trying to have it display a different background depending on whether or not it detects album art
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13:02:07NinemmtylenolI c
13:02:27Kylethedarkn2Ignore that %Vd(a)
13:02:28[Saint]Kylethedarkn2: instead of %?XX<%V(blah blah)|%V(blah blah)> you need to do %?XX<%Vd(blah)|%Vd(blah2)>
13:03:20[Saint]Where blah and blah2 are both fullscreen viewports.
13:03:26Kylethedarkn2Okay, what about what I just pasted up there?
13:04:11[Saint]Yes, that should work.
13:04:19Kylethedarkn2It doesn't though :(
13:04:46Kylethedarkn2Causes it to go into fail safe mode
13:05:26Kylethedarkn2Or whatever it's called when it goes to the wps with the peak meter in black and white
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13:07:21NinemmtylenolI will say
13:07:28[Saint]As far as I'm aware, that should be possible.
13:07:47NinemmtylenolThe charging screen, if working, is really sexy on the fuze +.
13:09:34pamauryNinemmtylenol: I'm back
13:09:57NinemmtylenolOhh okay
13:10:31pamauryso, with usb plugged, after waiting a bit, what are the values of "charging: ", and "pwd_4.2_charge" ?
13:10:48NinemmtylenolPlaying the waiting game again.
13:10:56NinemmtylenolLeft it unplugged when getting my coffee.
13:11:05pamauryand are there values different from the one you posted on pastebin ?
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13:12:15NinemmtylenolOn the screen just like those I typed up.
13:12:36Ninemmtylenolcharging: 1, pwd_4.2_charge: 0
13:12:56pamauryok, go back to the screen with the battery readout
13:13:55pamaurywrite down the battery raw value and wait for several minutes and then see if it's different
13:14:10pamaurywith these settings, that should really charge
13:14:18NinemmtylenolOkay that's the first screen right?
13:14:47NinemmtylenolNope third, k
13:15:52*Ninemmtylenol is playing the waiting game again.
13:16:04Ninemmtylenolpamaury, What ya have for lunch?
13:17:25[Saint]*cough* topic... *cough*"
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13:19:23pamauryNinemmtylenol: why do you think rockbox doesn't charge by the way ?
13:19:34NinemmtylenolI don't know.
13:19:40NinemmtylenolThe player is rather new.
13:19:41JdGordon[Saint]: ?
13:20:42JdGordonjhMikeS: ping?
13:20:50pamauryNote that the battery calibration has not been done on the fuze+ so the progress bar displayed might be rather wrong, I need to fix that
13:20:59[Saint]JdGordon: shouldn't it be possible to do conditional backdrops with %VB?
13:21:47[Saint]I'm just unsure of the needed syntax.
13:21:59JdGordonload a bunch of images, then conditionally display the one you want to use
13:22:10Ninemmtylenolpamaury, Well I have the info now, I think I waited long enough.
13:22:18[Saint]Kylethedarkn2 is tryig to work it out, his example looks like it should work.
13:22:25[Saint]JdGordon: ^
13:22:34pamauryNinemmtylenol: ok, what the values before and after the waiting time ?
13:22:49NinemmtylenolCan I post here?
13:23:06Ninemmtylenol5 lines.
13:23:31JdGordonno, you cant use %X() do to it
13:23:45JdGordonyou need to load each image with %xl() and then display the one you want with %xd()
13:23:46pamauryNinemmtylenol: just the battery (raw) line
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13:24:01NinemmtylenolBefore: Battery(raw) 490
13:24:04JdGordonyou will chew a ton of ram though
13:24:06[Saint]Ohhhh....that's right.
13:24:09NinemmtylenolAfter: Battery(raw) 491
13:24:13[Saint]Only one %x
13:24:54JdGordon%x might not work with %VB
13:25:18[Saint]You wrote it does in the customwps page.
13:25:28JdGordonok :)
13:25:50pamauryNinemmtylenol: hmm, not enough to conclude, the best thing would be to let it "charge" for half an hour and see if the readout is really different. If it's not it means that it really doesn't charge
13:25:58[Saint]Kylethedarkn2: there we go. Do you follow the above?
13:26:09NinemmtylenolSure thing.
13:26:31NinemmtylenolIs there a another version of the port that I could use later on?
13:26:46NinemmtylenolBc there is a nother problem.
13:27:03pamaurywhich version are you using ?
13:27:06pamaurywhich problem ?*
13:27:13NinemmtylenolMedia functions.
13:27:26NinemmtylenolI used to be able to control winamp from the fuze+.
13:27:32NinemmtylenolBut since the update.
13:27:43NinemmtylenolThe "play/pause" buttons doesn't control winamp anymore.
13:27:56NinemmtylenolFrom the portable player.
13:29:38pamaurywait a minute, I'll check that with mine
13:30:46pamaurynope, it works on mine, are you multimedia mode ?
13:30:59pamaurywhich version do you have ?
13:31:22NinemmtylenolThe player or the rb fw?
13:32:20NinemmtylenolThe "Current Build"
13:33:00pamauryhmm, wait a minute, I don't have a cutting edge version, I'll maje sure we have the same
13:39:02pamauryNinemmtylenol: it works on my computer
13:39:09pamauryall multemedia keys :-/
13:39:35pamaurydid you try with some other player ? I check with totem
13:39:44Zagorwodz: the last column is "delta", a sort of summarization of the line
13:39:46NinemmtylenolI don't have any other players.
13:40:02ZagorI'm not convinced it serves a purpose...
13:40:25NinemmtylenolIf I were to re-enable wmp that would require a restart.
13:41:23NinemmtylenolI knew last night that when connected to a friends vnc, that when I was pressing the play button, it turned his music on and off.
13:41:30pamauryNinemmtylenol: are you understand windows ? Perhaps that would explain the difference
13:41:36NinemmtylenolWhen my mouse was focused on his window.
13:41:56NinemmtylenolDo you mean am I on windows?
13:42:12Ninemmtylenol OS Microsoft Windows 7 Home Edition Service Pack 1 (Build 7601)
13:43:22pamauryI have a windows 7 to test but I'm currently working on linux so I can't reboot for now but be sure I'll check myself. However that doesn't look like a rockbox issue
13:43:43pamauryback to your fuze+, what is the readout of battery (raw) now ?
13:45:08pamauryah, it seems to charge!
13:45:25NinemmtylenolIs that a good rate?
13:45:46NinemmtylenolBc all I ever got was a 2% increase.
13:45:56NinemmtylenolAnd that was plugged up all night.
13:45:59wodzZagor: it would be nice to put some caption above the column then
13:46:06Zagorwodz: what player(s) match the default rk27xx build parameters?
13:46:24Zagorwodz: there is a caption. it's just not rotated, and so ends up way above the others... :)
13:46:47pamauryI don't know about the rate but at 495 you are still far away from 100% for sure
13:48:28wodzZagor: basically Ramos RM970 clones
13:48:37pamaurylet it plugged and regularly check the value. It should top at about ~530. If at some point it stop, write down the value, go back in the OF and charge completely, then go back to rockboc and see what is the value. If there is a big gap, that would prove that there is a charging problem
13:48:46wodzaka rk2706 reference design
13:49:02pamauryor that the discharge after charge bug is back
13:49:11NinemmtylenolOhh no.
13:49:21NinemmtylenolI will keep an eye on it.
13:49:46NinemmtylenolHope it helps.
13:51:25pamauryhope too
13:51:30Kylethedarkn2Well I found another solution to the swapping background problem.
13:51:39Kylethedarkn2Just messing with the design of the background
13:52:25Zagorwodz: I think we should mention that on the rk27xx page
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13:53:40wodzZagor: Thats tricky business. I would not advertise anything as there are 2309847245089324 variations between clones
13:58:29wodzZagor: buy me Ramos RM970 and I'll test if it works :-)
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14:00:02wodzZagor: knob on the forum raported Foehn & Hirsch H16 Sleek Screen MP4 Player 4GB 3.0" TFT Screen as compatible with rk27generic build (,10428.45.html)
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14:02:24Zagorwodz: that's nice. I've seen other mentions of using the rk27xx build. I think we should list those which someone has tested, even if yes there are a zillion oem names for each player.
14:02:56Zagorand a big red warning, of course
14:03:19wodzZagor: the fact is that nowadays recover from bad rockbox is easy
14:06:43Zagorwodz: I'd love you buy you more players. the rm970 doesn't look very easy to find though.
14:08:33wodzZagor: btw. would it be possible to sponsor me CRAIG CMP641F? (,34081.0.html). It seems to be a clone of Ramos T8 design and is proofed to be rk2705 based. It is possible to buy it on ebay.
14:09:58wodzI couldn't find seller which ships to Europe unfortunately but maybe our oversea chaps could help
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14:15:29JdGordonjhMikeS: ping... PLEEEEEASE :)
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14:54:32pamauryis there a strong objection about being able to tell to which drive belongs a volume ?
14:55:44gevaertsAs in add that to a debug/about screen?
14:56:50pamauryI plan to use it to add a boot menu to the imx233. Because there are report of internal storage failures, adding the possibility to boot from the sd card would be nice to have but then I need to know which volume is on the sd card
14:58:25*gevaerts nods
14:59:18gevaertsI think storage.c keeps track of that, so all you need is a nice way to get at it I guess
15:00:51pamauryit's disk.c actually
15:01:13gevaertsHm, right
15:01:18pamauryoh, I just realized something great. The fuze+ has an i2c boot eeprom! which means one can force a sdcard boot potentially
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15:02:59pamaurygevaerts: a function like "volume_get_drive(int vol) ?"
15:04:10pamaurywell "volume_get_drive(IF_MV_NONVOID(int vol))"
15:06:42*gevaerts nods
15:12:21mortaliswodz: about brightness: I could move lin_brightness to target specific backlight-target.h, or it would be better to use ifdef?
15:14:41wodzmortalis: I have no strong opinion.
15:19:02JdGordonwhat is the sensible thing to do if a track in the current playlist is deleted from disk before it starts playing but it is fully buffered?
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15:23:15Tornei would say remove from playlist, tbh
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15:27:06H140is the optical out of the H140 is 16 bit ?
15:28:25Tornealmost certainly
15:29:27H140almost :-)
15:30:00Tornesomeone else may actually know for sure; i just know that it would be really, really dumb and weird for it not to be :p
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15:30:55H140I'll drown it if it isn't
15:31:16*gevaerts would expect an H140 to know all about the workings of an H140
15:31:45H140heh, I have amnesia
15:31:46Tornei dunno about that, i'm a human and i'm not sure i know what the human spleen is for
15:32:01gevaertsGood point
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15:37:34JdGordonhmm... I don't know what needs to be done to skip a track in the buffer without probably restarting playback.
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15:43:52JdGordonarg, rbpaths.c is horrible!
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15:53:17Kylethedarkn2Does notepad screw up formatting or something?
15:55:43GodEater_Kylethedarkn2: well it doesn't understand unix line endings
15:55:53GodEater_so it might *look* like it screws up formatting
15:56:14GodEater_I think it holds the record for being the single remaining text editor which doesn't handle them sanely
15:56:15Kylethedarkn2Well what I mean is if I make it look nice in Notepad it doesn't work anymore
15:56:25GodEater_"it" ?
15:56:41Kylethedarkn2This code for the sbs file of a theme I've been editing
15:57:03Kylethedarkn2It was all in one long string so I cleaned it up, but I think I broke it because of those line endings
15:57:04GodEater_the easiest thing would be just to not use notepad
15:57:14GodEater_use Notepad++ or something
15:57:16Kylethedarkn2Does Notepad2 handle them fine?
15:57:21GodEater_it's free and about a zillion times better
15:57:25GodEater_yeah notepad2 should be fine as well
15:58:22*GodEater_ pokes JdGordon
15:58:35GodEater_does our sbs parser really barf on CR/LF ?
15:59:03Torneour parsers really should just handle any line ending
15:59:16Torneif they don't, plz fix
15:59:20Tornethis is not a thing humans care about :)
15:59:21GodEater_that too
16:00:48JdGordonour parser should handle it fine
16:00:51JdGordonits in misc.c
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16:02:57GodEater_so Kylethedarkn2 it shouldn't *really* matter if you insist on using notepad
16:03:06GodEater_so it's likely you broke something else :D
16:03:56Kylethedarkn2Hmm, I suppose that's possible, but I just rewrote the very basic structure of it and it doesn't work
16:04:23TorneJdGordon: actually that's not universal :)
16:04:32TorneJdGordon: it ignores \r and treats \n as line ending
16:04:37Kylethedarkn2Any reason why that should display something
16:04:41Torneso it won't work for mac files with \r
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16:05:02KylethedarknAlso that
16:28:18pixelmaKylethedarkn: the %?C line at least is missing a >
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16:35:16KylethedarknYes, I've already rewritten it. Thanks for looking though
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16:40:35Ninemmtylenolpamaury, The device charged.
16:40:43pamauryNinemmtylenol: cool :)
16:41:10NinemmtylenolReached about 532 raw
16:42:00NinemmtylenolSince there was a new update to RB it seems that it installed a new HID driver.
16:42:31NinemmtylenolAnd windows is telling me to restart, so I will blame the multimedia functions based on that.
16:43:57NinemmtylenolOther than regular mp3's not playing in their last positions and quit on me all together.
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16:44:19NinemmtylenolI need a place to write a bug report.
16:47:50saratoga_ha an archos user on the forums
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17:19:40KylethedarknWell here's what I've been working on:
17:20:01KylethedarknI think it's pretty good for my first theme. Even if it is an edit of Druppal
17:20:25gevaertsKylethedarkn: it has a left to right progress bar!
17:20:46CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
17:20:46*gevaerts dislikes left to right progress bars
17:21:01KylethedarknThat's like all progress bars
17:21:16KylethedarknI don't know if I've seen a right to left one actually now that you mention it
17:21:16gevaertsThat's so *boring*
17:21:27Kylethedarknthe battery is like a backwards progress bar :D
17:22:29gevaertsKylethedarkn: has a vertical progress bar and a non-linear battery meter :)
17:22:57KylethedarknYes, but it looks very bad
17:23:15*gevaerts fails to agree
17:23:33KylethedarknYou can't be're not trolling are you?
17:23:37gevaertsIt's totally unusable thanks to an unreadable font, sure, but I think it looks great
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17:24:14KylethedarknMost of what it's got going is that parchment look, but it looks like 8bit parchment
17:24:16pixelmaKylethedarkn: yes, he is
17:24:21KylethedarknWhy not photoshop some good parchment?
17:24:42evilnickKylethedarkn: gevaerts is a notorious troll
17:24:50KylethedarknI see
17:24:54gevaertsKylethedarkn: all right, then
17:25:05KylethedarknNow see those wavy lines
17:25:17Kylethedarknwho knew lines could wave
17:26:14*gevaerts recommends not looking at the wps without having coffee first
17:26:46KylethedarknWell I just spent like the last 8 hours making this theme for some reason
17:26:55KylethedarknSo I might look at the code
17:28:47*GodEater_ finds the "you're jerks for switching to git" post on the forums.
17:29:04GodEater_Perhaps we should ditch this entire internet fad and go back to floppy disks?
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17:36:27saratoga_the stock android music app got about 18 hours playback, although the test was somewhat disturbed by the phone's alarm going off for a while in the middle, so i'm not sure what impact that would have on battery
17:36:45saratoga_i'll probably just try rockbox next and then retest the stock android app later
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17:45:42jhMikeSJdGordon: bong?
17:46:13jhMikeSwe _are_ jerks for switching to git but we like it :)
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17:52:50KylethedarknAnd so it is posted
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17:56:12pixelmaKylethedarkn: the original is called Druppel, I believe - not Druppal ;)
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17:59:36KylethedarknIt didn't copy over some of the files when I went to make the zip. :(
17:59:47KylethedarknIs there anyway I can update it or get it deleted?
17:59:57KylethedarknFix that spelling as well
17:59:59gevaertsUpload it again with the same name to update
18:05:43KylethedarknGod damn this uploader is a pain in the ass
18:07:36KylethedarknAlso it's weird that the actual theme page doesn't have a download link
18:07:52KylethedarknI guess it's the pictures
18:07:55*pamaury is writing some terribly ugly code
18:08:05KylethedarknThat's the best kind
18:08:08gevaertsI think most people download using Rockbox Utility anyway
18:08:33KylethedarknYeah, that's probably true
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18:09:16KylethedarknSomebody should redesign the site so that it's efficient but also more user friendly to people who aren't familiar with the whole program development thing
18:09:32TorneFeel free to have a go at that
18:10:00Tornewe generally don't have time/interest/ability for that kind of thing
18:10:18Tornealso, it's difficult for most of us to put ourselves in the mindset of people who aren't familiar with development :)
18:10:19gevaertsWe do have interest, *and* strong opinions :)
18:10:27Tornethe things that are fairly visible on the site are the things we care about :p
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18:16:15pamaurydamn, the linker tells me I've not allocated a memory region for .bss while I do :(
18:18:10KylethedarknOh hey pamaury you did a lot of work on the Fuze+ Is there a solution in the works for the whole switch between filetypes causing a crash?
18:18:46pamaurynever heard of this bug
18:19:14KylethedarknI guess that answers that. XD
18:19:29pamaurydid you post a bug report ? can you describe it ?
18:19:50KylethedarknI believe there are already two bug reports for it. But essentially when switch between
18:20:03Kylethedarknsay flac and mp3 especially flac to mp3 it crashes
18:21:11pamauryah, there is a report for flac and mp3 but no I've not investigated it, sorry. I'm currently trying a find a solution for the ones who have a non-working internal storage but I'll try to have a look at this one. Is it deterministic ?
18:21:49KylethedarknIf you mean repeatable 100% of the time then yes as far as I've tried
18:22:28pamaurydo you have another rockbox player or not ? Just to make sure this is fuze+ specific :)
18:22:31KylethedarknIt gives me a "Undefined instruction at 0000AC44 bt pc: 0x0000AC44, sp: 0x00005350 bt end"
18:23:11KylethedarknOh, I might be able to rummage around and find one. I definitely have a friend who has a rockbox ipod that I can test it on soon
18:23:14KylethedarknIn a day or two
18:23:50pamaurydon't bother, I have several at hands, I'll try it myself :)
18:24:17KylethedarknOkey Dokey
18:25:31KylethedarknIf I could figure out how the bug reporting system worked, or more accurately how to make sure I'm not posting a bug that already exists, I'd be posting more of them. I've found a few things that cause crashes.
18:25:34evilnickThere was a (possibly) similar issue on the Android build not that long ago, pamaury
18:25:53KylethedarknRandom chance being one of them
18:26:34pamauryKylethedarkn: there is an exisiting bug report for it so I guess it's ok, it just needs to be sufficiently high on my todo list ;)
18:26:45KylethedarknThough it's funny, because the sansa firmware is so slow that having rockbox crash a few times is still faster than waiting for the original firmware to load.
18:26:52Kylethedarknpamaury: Gotcha
18:27:31pamaurycrashes are annoying though, especially the hard crashes when you need to hold power 10+ seconds
18:27:32KylethedarknI'm not sure how many people end up working on something like this, so don't let me bother you with stuff if you're already working on it by yourself
18:27:42KylethedarknThat's true.
18:28:10pamaurywell the fuze+ has a small number of very annoying bugs that are hard to figure out like the radio, the random freeze
18:28:29KylethedarknThe one that always confuses me is the screen flicker
18:28:41KylethedarknOr the one where the screen slowly destroys itself
18:28:56Kylethedarknthose two just happen at random and cause hard crashes I believe
18:30:12pamauryyeah the screen flicker is really weird. At least part of the time I'm convinced it's because of some hardware failing to maintain proper voltage but the OF seems to manage it so I'm puzzled
18:30:52KylethedarknHmm, maybe they do some weird workaround
18:34:36KylethedarknBe back in a bit, gonna take a shower.
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19:04:50KylethedarknIs there a list somewhere with the resolutions of the screens of all the players that can run rockbox and if so, is porting a theme to one that has the same resolution as the Fuze+ as simple as just uploading it under that players category?
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19:11:26saratoga_Kylethedarkn: the theme site automatically lists all compatible themes for each player, you don't have to tell it which
19:11:44saratoga_it figures out from the resolution, bit depth, etc
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19:40:53saratoga_bertrik: were you going to commit that crossfeed patch of yours? it looks good to me
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19:45:16jhMikeSsaratoga_: can we wait on that? every time I'm working on some major renovation of a certain thing, that one patch for itthat's nobody's bothered with for years suddenly becomes urgent.
19:45:46saratoga_i don't care, just seems like its a popular patch that looked pretty good to go
19:45:57saratoga_how is your DSP rework coming anyway?
19:46:12jhMikeSalmost there
19:46:48jhMikeSbut I rewrote the rewite a bit better yesterday and now I've got mystery things to solve all over again
19:48:08funmanTorne: any advice on ? It doesn't boot atm
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19:50:30bertriksaratoga_, I basically neglected that patch. I think it should more configureable and have an asm implementation. I have no plans to work on it myself and I don't mind too much if it gets broken by a DSP rewrite
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19:53:41bertrikalthough maybe configurability could be just low/medium/high
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19:57:20*jhMikeS doesn't mind resyncing it or the sinc resampling (which should stay in sinc all it's own?)
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20:31:45shamusis it safe to deleat the ##port# folder on a clip +? if one never uses mtp?
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20:33:53shamusk was wondering after all it chews throughba full 209MB
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20:39:13shamusMSC is far more user frendly then the darm mtp stuff.
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21:51:50saratoganot a big fan of the sinc patch since its algorithmically so inefficient for what it does
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21:58:33n1ssaratoga: what resampling algo would you prefer?
21:59:03saratogan1s: I've got a whole paper on computationally efficient resampling algorithms if you're interested
21:59:14saratogabut really anything but windowed sinc would be better I think
21:59:35n1si'm curious but i fear not curious enough to work on it
21:59:42saratogayeah, same here
22:00:14saratogaprobably a better use of time to make the dsp engine handle 48k
22:02:44jhMikeSyou mean output 48K instead of 44.1K?
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22:08:10pamauryf****, the i2c eeprom of the fuze+ seems to be write protected
22:08:13saratogajhMikeS: yeah
22:09:52saratogaeven linear probably isn't that bad for 96k > 48k or 88.2 > 44.1 resampling, so once you have 48k you're mostly set (although being sampling rate independent would also be cool if more difficult given the EQ)
22:10:38jhMikeSsaratoga: it's not _that_ big a problem. only some hardware can do it though. my thought was just let the user select a global samplerate for shared audio and leave it or things will get very messy. the EQ can handle that, the crossfeed has a fixed delay line though.
22:11:06saratogai assume we'd just make crossfeed disabled for any two tracks with nonequal sampling rate
22:11:24jhMikeSyou meant "crossfade"?
22:11:42saratogasorry, misread crossfeed above
22:12:22saratogadoes that really matter? the two sampling rates are 8% apart, i doubt such a small delay makes much difference
22:13:12jhMikeSwhat about the mixer and each stream? sometimes switching is glitchy and you'd have to do it at exactly the correct time.
22:13:22saratogayou mean voice?
22:13:25saratogamixing voice tha tis
22:13:27saratogathat is
22:13:29jhMikeSyeah, and beep and whatever else
22:13:56saratogai don't know what the implications are for voice
22:14:29saratogaactually, what sampling rate does speex even use, 44.1k?
22:14:44jhMikeSwe're using 16k -> 44.1K
22:15:51saratogaso we upsample it during decode?
22:16:38saratogacould we upsample to some other rate depending on the DSP state?
22:16:48jhMikeSwould have to be done at some point so all streams match for PCM output
22:18:15saratogacomputationally it just seems more efficient to adjust the clocks on everything rather then spend lots of CPU time on a high quality resampler
22:18:31saratogai know the sandisk firmware does that, although their DSP engine is quite trivial compared to ours
22:18:32jhMikeSI'd really not want to have it switching all the time.
22:18:45saratogabecause its complicated?
22:19:08jhMikeSvery, and usually the hardware makes unkind sounds when doing it
22:19:31saratogasure, but most people don't mix different sampling rate audio often, so i don't see a click or audio drop out when reclocking as a huge deal
22:19:49saratogamostly just thinking about allowing for efficient playback of 48k albums ripped from DVDs and such
22:20:15jhMikeSthat's why I think setting the global output rate is better and avoids all manner of complications
22:20:53saratogaso the main problem is mixing in voice and other sound effects with variable frequency audio?
22:24:10bertrikpamaury, a *hardware* i2c eeprom protection, you think?
22:24:17jhMikeSand switching exactly when it should be. it doesn't switch when the track switches, it switches when the mixer is done.
22:24:24*bertrik should bring his bus pirate to devcon
22:25:45jhMikeSthen of course crossfade and the fact that many targets wouldn't even support 48K, the next one up would be 88.2 or else it would behighly inaccurate at best
22:26:30saratogai think most do support 48k though, and crossfade across sampling rate changes would be easy enough to disable
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22:38:46*jhMikeS so doesn't want to touch that since it would make an otherwise seamless experience of various tracks behave in quirky ways
22:41:29*bertrik wonders if you can get away with an 11/12 ratio for 44100/48000 conversion
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23:57:09pamaurybertrik (for the logs): yes, the WP pin is set to vcc as far as I can tell

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