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#rockbox log for 2012-05-22

00:01:09amiconnjhMikeS: On the Clip+ it changes behaviour, but doesn't actually fix any of the broken features
00:01:32amiconnNo data abort when plugging USB anymore, but neither voice nor USB do work properly
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00:02:40amiconnMenu voice doesn't work even if enabled (talk clips do work though - they did before), and plugging USB shows the USB screen but the drive can't be accesses from the host
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00:03:38funmanamiconn: hmm no voice is strange
00:03:49funmanis there some debug available in the speex decoder ?
00:04:00jhMikeSthat's odd, it WAS a very real oversight
00:04:17jhMikeSand my stuff seems to be running clean so far
00:06:20jhMikeSswitching languages was blowing up for me if there was a voice file
00:06:32amiconnOn Mini G2 it still data aborts in the menu if menu voice is enabled (different address though)
00:06:51funmanwe need valgrind.rock !
00:07:38funmanor figure what's wrong with g#239
00:07:39fs-bluebotGerrit review #239 at,239 : WIP: read-only memory on sansa AMS using MMU by Rafaël Carré (changes/39/239/2)
00:08:25jhMikeSamiconn: where are the data aborts?
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00:09:36jhMikeSexactly the revision for the clip+?
00:09:45amiconnThat's Mini G2
00:10:05amiconnClip+ doesn't data abort, voice "just" does not work (and USB neither)
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00:10:40funmaneven after 4 or 5 attempts ?
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00:10:55saratogai just did a few plug/unplug cycles on the clip+ and it seems to be working well, although i don't have voice enabled
00:11:53amiconnThese problems are voice related, I'd say
00:11:55jhMikeSyou mean #26 - Mini 2g?
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00:12:38saratogajhMikeS: how series were those uninitialized handles you just fixed?
00:13:13amiconnjhMikeS: yes.
00:13:28amiconnBtw, 0x4c934 is again in structec_convert()
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00:13:37jhMikeSmaybe test g244?
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00:14:10jhMikeSthere are two calls in talk.c
00:15:08amiconnI can test that, but not now/ today
00:20:54saratogacurious if that might have fixed some of the random issues reported on the clipzip
00:22:46saratogathe fact that they seem to happen on the zip but not the nearly identical clip+ made me suspect some kind of memory corruption
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00:26:34saratogarasher: you may have already noticed, but your sim site is having some trouble
00:26:40saratogasim builds site that is
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00:27:23rashersaratoga: I had not. Grr
00:27:30rasherThanks for the heads up
00:27:47saratogai use it since i'm too lazy to figure out how to cross compile :)
00:28:42rasherhuh, how did this ever work..
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00:31:14rasherWell, fixed now
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01:09:23jhMikeSsaratoga: really bad for things since the buffer wasn't even created once yet (sorry missed the message earlier"
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01:59:06funmansaratoga: it might be like the c200v2, it is more unstable because of bigger (color lcd) bin size?
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02:14:04jhMikeSoh why couldn't there already be a set of macros for converting buffer bytes to framebuffer pixels and back and vice-versa?
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02:28:01Unhelpfulbecause everybody finds there isn't and open-codes it instead of authoring a huge patch that fixes it everywhere?
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02:33:40JdGordonjhMikeS: there is... LCDAADR()?
02:33:58JdGordonor is that not what your want?
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02:35:38jhMikeSit's a bit more nasty
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11:16:22gevaertsSomething to seriously consider
11:24:38JdGordonno harm is asking, they do have 65K product id's to pass around :)
11:24:40wodzgevaerts: What we do now? Steal OF vid:pid ?
11:25:10gevaertswodz: the vid:pid is allocated to the device, so we don't steal it as such
11:25:30wodzso... whats the point?
11:26:03gevaertsUsing the OF's device ID does have some disadvantages, and using our own does have some advantages
11:26:34gevaertse.g. some car audio systems refuse to do UMS on some ipods, since they assume the USB IAP will work
11:27:24wodzI bet we will come into troubles with vid:pid overwrite. Some usb cores are known to be broken and workarounds are turned on in host driver based on vid:pid pair
11:27:32Zagorhaving an option to select OF or Rockbox id sounds like a useful feature to me
11:27:35gevaertsYes, that too
11:28:49gevaertsAlso, (depending on whether we can get one id per device) Rockbox Utility device detection can be much more reliable for upgrades
11:29:24gevaertsIt avoids e.g. the case of someone manually installing the wrong build and then Rockbox Utility using the installed build to decide which device it is
11:29:50Zagoras long as the rockbox id is enabled :-)
11:29:51gevaertsI think we should talk to them, but I also think we should first figure out how we would use the ids
11:30:02Zagorgevaerts: I agree
11:30:14*wodz is skeptical
11:30:49Zagorwodz: what are the disadvantages you see?
11:30:52gevaertsIdeally I'd like a bunch of ids per device :)
11:31:08gevaerts(so we can use a different id for things like hid enabled)
11:31:27gevaertsBut I also think that that's probably being too greedy
11:31:36Zagorgevaerts: that's not how usb is supposed to work, is it?
11:31:45Zagorone ID can have several interfaces
11:32:10gevaertsZagor: sure, but I also think that set of interface is usually expected not to change
11:32:28ZagorI'm not so sure about that
11:32:39Zagorbut I can't think of specific examples right now
11:32:59gevaertsAt least some of the sansas use a different id for MTP or MSC
11:33:13wodzZagor: I expressed my doubts above
11:33:18gevaertsWe currently use a different serial number for those cases
11:33:40gevaertswodz: I'd say your objection is actually a reason to do this :)
11:33:57Zagorwodz: right, but as I understand it those are only doubts about permanently replacing the OF id with a Rockbox id
11:34:12gevaertsWhat's known to be broken in many cases is the core+driver combination, not the core
11:34:57Zagorif we have it selectable, I don't see how the option of a rockbox id can be a bad thing
11:35:05*gevaerts nods
11:35:53gevaertsI think having it selectable is probably a good idea. I can't immediately see a reason to want the OF id though
11:35:56wodzProbably. My doubts are about strange bugs reports which may come. Our usb subsystem is not that stable anyway
11:36:51Zagorgevaerts: I see it as a fallback option for those broken systems we currently don't know about
11:37:28Zagorwodz: changing the id doesn't change the behaviour of *our* system, only the behaviour of the host systems
11:37:32gevaertsI'd expect the number of strange bugs reports to *decrease*, since all workarounds for OF issues will be disabled
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11:39:21gevaertsAnyway, I'll try to remember to send an email about this tonight
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12:20:27wodzgevaerts: You should leave a comment in FS #12645 I think
12:20:28fs-bluebot Olympus Mr-100: No sound with 3.11.2 (bugs, unconfirmed)
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12:25:14gevaertsAh, yes
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12:57:14wodzmortalis: ping
12:57:21mortaliswodz: pong
12:57:46wodzmortalis: I am able to run custom code on DSP core :-)
12:58:04mortaliscool :)
12:58:05wodzcurrent problem is that I have to hand assemble it
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13:38:54lorenzo92kugel: uhm indeed it *seems* that it cannot find kernel source tree
13:39:07lorenzo92maybe it is to be put in the previous folder...wait
13:41:38lorenzo92kugel: indeed. First uncompress the linux base folder. then, put it in the previous folder! (i.e. cd ..)
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13:56:25kugellorenzo92: did that
13:57:01lorenzo92hum...did you read the readme right? I still need to rebuild the toolchain...
13:57:10kugelit finds the kernel tree, otherwise make wouldnt run at all (since your Makefile does nothing more than runninig make in the kernel tree)
13:57:21lorenzo92that's true...
13:58:21lorenzo92maybe adding ARCH=arm too
13:59:12kugelyou could use codesourcery gcc for a quick check
14:03:55lorenzo92okay indeed
14:04:14kugellorenzo92: or download :)
14:07:00lorenzo92better ;)
14:07:40kugelit's for 64bit
14:12:08lorenzo92no problem, indeed it compile fine uhm uhm
14:12:28lorenzo92I hope I did not do a mistake packing the kernel tree
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14:13:35lorenzo92kugel: yeah! I don't know why but I did something wrong
14:13:44lorenzo92how to tar from bash?
14:13:50lorenzo92tar -xf??
14:14:28lorenzo92oh wait wait..uhm
14:14:45kugelit unpacks to the current dir though. need to modify the Makefile
14:20:34lorenzo92okay I will now upload this new should work ;)
14:24:16lorenzo92let me know ...
14:25:30kugelwtf. scripts/basic/fixdep: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by scripts/basic/fixdep)
14:27:51kugeldoesnt build
14:28:53lorenzo92I'm running kubuntu 64 bit...
14:29:14lorenzo92and I don't have any special deps installed I think
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14:31:58lorenzo92beware of compiling with CROSS_COMPILE= XXX make ;)
14:32:18kugeldid you use my toolchain?
14:32:31lorenzo92I don't have any other...
14:32:46lorenzo92possibly do a make clean
14:33:01lorenzo92or remove also the hidden temp folder!
14:34:46lorenzo92LANG=C make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-ypr0-linux-gnueabi- => try to use simply: CROSS_COMPILE=arm-ypr0-linux-gnueabi make
14:35:02kugelsame result
14:35:22kugelah, worked now after deleting some stuff
14:35:31lorenzo92which stuff?
14:36:11kugelmake clean in the kernel tree
14:36:23lorenzo92ah! right right, forgot to do that :)
14:36:57lorenzo92okay ... these are the minimum requirements to build it I guess, maybe we could do further removals in the tree
14:37:23lorenzo92for example deleting some more arm archs...
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14:38:06lorenzo92possibly we could gain 4 mb + more... :D
14:38:30kugelyea, i think so
14:38:45kugeldon't we only need mach-imx*?
14:39:07kugelor only mach-imx37 even?
14:39:44kugelalso the stupid *_defconfig files
14:40:07lorenzo92uhm well I just tested that after removing some archs there is still the issue that e.g. clean doesn't work uhmm
14:40:13lorenzo92yes yes
14:40:32lorenzo92*mxc* everything so called should be there
14:40:55lorenzo92but also some includes are completely useless
14:41:03lorenzo92asm-x86 etc
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14:41:47kugelwould be cool if you could clean up a bit more
14:42:03kugelit doesnt look too bad, though
14:43:41lorenzo924 mb recovered from useless includes and still comiles :)
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14:48:24lorenzo92still removing something ;)
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14:54:36lorenzo92now: I suggest to place that into the ypr0tools folder, maybe we can make it build while building the modified kernel for example, but there should be always the possibility to build it standalone
14:54:52lorenzo92kugel: by the way, the original tool I already had, has been stolen ;)
14:54:55kugeldoesnt work
14:55:25kugelsame problem (GLIBC_2.14) but this time make clean doesnt work
14:55:33lorenzo92ah okay too deep :D
14:55:50lorenzo92indeed the make doesn't work after removing archs
14:55:56lorenzo92but for includes should
15:00:21kugelprobably shouldnt delete arch/arm/boot
15:01:02lorenzo92probably...but includes are safe for sure
15:01:08lorenzo92so you can delete them ;)
15:01:17lorenzo92I mean not everything :D
15:02:05kugelwhat includes?
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15:05:59lorenzo92crypto, media, scsi
15:06:24lorenzo92and the default configs
15:10:32kugelyou deleted those already right?
15:10:47kugelI deleted your old tar so i cant add back arch/arm/boot :p
15:12:31lorenzo92yes i'll upload ;)
15:13:29lorenzo92meanwhile, did you look at the page I linked about the recovery? :)
15:14:07lorenzo92(it is also very fast to test modded roms :P )
15:22:49lorenzo92wrong pkg
15:23:14lorenzo92kugel: pff wrong folder :D
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15:52:18lorenzo92kugel: I'm still here for some minutes, then i need to go...did you manage to do something? :)
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20:05:29amee2ksomething about that ipod is wrecked
20:05:56amee2kit like, kernel panicks on boot
20:06:12amee2k"can't load rockbox.ipod"
20:12:10bluebrotherthat's not a panic.
20:12:15bluebrotherthat's a file not found :)
20:13:00bluebrotheryou're either missing the main Rockbox installation or have filesystem errors
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20:47:03andyp_Hi, I have an iPod Video 5.5G 80GB and am using the IAP patches that are on gerrit in order for Rockbox to work with my Alpine Head Unit in my car. Are there any plans to get these patches included in the main source?
20:48:20gevaertsandyp_: yes, bertrik is working on that
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20:51:32andyp_That's great. If bertrik needs any testing done I'm willing to help. Do you know if there are any timescales to this?
20:53:27gevaertsNo. The patch series isn't ideally ordered, so the idea is that bertrik works with the author to merge them all into one patch (reordering them the way we would really like isn't realistic). When that's done, it can go in
20:53:35gevaertsI hope it won't be too long
21:00:07andyp_OK, thanks. I'll keep monitoring and see when the patch goes in. Once that's in I'll probably need to submit a patch to get my BT transmitter and headphones supported but I'll need to see what the final IAP patch looks like first.
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21:44:19*bluebrother has a lng variant that holds voice strings now and that should be sufficient to generate the input for voicefont
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22:02:23Tornewe have a couple of python tools in the tree, but none of them are required to build, right?
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22:02:40Tornei.e. our build doesn't currently depend on the machine having python at all, or any particular version?
22:03:07Tornei have come to the conclusion that doing the git version number synthesis in bash is ridiculous
22:03:27copperWas there a patch recently to reduce the sensitivity of volume control on the iPod Classic?
22:03:32Torneso probably i should do it in perl instead?
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22:04:46gevaertsTorne: grep tells me python is needed for the thumb stuff
22:05:54gevaertsAnd firmware/target/arm/tms320dm320/dsp/Makefile, but I'm not sure what that does
22:05:58gevaertsThat seems to be it
22:06:00Tornedo we actually use the thumb build?
22:06:14gevaertsYes, for lowmem AMS
22:06:21Tornebasically what i mean is: i prefer to program in python, but will attempt to do this in perl if people think it's worth it
22:06:43Torneeither way it won't depend on anythin ghtat doens't come with perl/python
22:06:51Torneas it's just parsing and processing the output of git commands
22:07:11gevaertsIIRC the old rule was to prefer perl, and that was never really changed
22:07:22Tornei guess whether python is available is not the only issue, people may have to maintain it who aren't me.
22:07:25gevaertsExcept someone smuggled the thumb thing in
22:07:44amee2kbluebrother: since i'm suspecting drive damage, i'd point at file system errors :/
22:08:06Tornegevaerts: i'll try in perl, and see if i go totally bonkers :p
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22:22:47*bluebrother would use python :)
22:23:24Tornemeh, it's really not that complicated
22:23:26Tornegit is doing all the hard work
22:23:38Tornei mostly just need a sort primitive :p
22:23:42bluebrotherit's just that I prefer Python over Perl myself ;-)
22:24:58amee2kthe far more annoying thing is that it keeps rebooting until the battery is depleted
22:25:04amee2khow do i turn this thing off??
22:32:27bertrikI'm getting some action from the zen x-fi3 radio chip (no sound yet)
22:33:27*amee2k . o O ( why does apple stuff always have to have awkward interfaces >_< )
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22:46:18n1sTorne: is the maintenance argument for or against Perl? ;)
22:46:25bluebrotherhmm. Does gerrit have problems with non-ASCII characters?
22:46:40Torneprobably you have problems with not using utf8 correctly :)
22:47:16bluebrotherIf I type "Bj" in the reviewer field it suggests Björn, but whentyping "Bjö" it doesn't suggst him anymore that supposed to look doubleencoded gibberish?
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22:48:49Torneit looks like your irc client is not using utf8 correctly :p
22:48:52bluebrotherTorne: no, that's my client that's broken
22:49:11n1sseeing "ö" as "ö" is quite common, i think it's utf8 "decoded" into something else
22:49:12bluebrother(or rather this OpenWrt thing having all iconv related stuff broken. Nothing new to me though)
22:49:33Tornen1s: it's utf8 interpreted as iso8859-1 and then encoded as utf8
22:49:33n1sas ö is a two byte char
22:49:48bluebrotherthough I thought it send the characters correctly as utf-8, even without showing them correctly to me
22:50:04Torneit takes the *wrong* thing it's showing you, then encodes it as utf8
22:50:19Tornehence, I get ö when my valid utf8 decoder decodes it
22:50:56Tornei.e. it's interpreting your *terminal* wrong, and then encoding correctly to send over the network :)
22:50:59bluebrotherfortunately I rarely need those characters in this channel :)
22:51:30n1sthat very encoding error is present in some of our headers still iirc
22:52:03Tornebluebrother: it works for me
22:52:07Torneso, i think your browser is broken :p
22:52:44bluebrotherChrome? :P
22:52:59n1sworks in iceweasel here
22:54:35Torneworks in chrome and firefox for me
22:55:03Tornei suspect your *configuration* somewhere in the pipeline of your browser is broken
22:56:55bluebrotherhmmm. Umlauts work fine in e.g. gmail with Chrome for me
22:57:37Torneyes, but presumablty they look fine in gerrit also
22:57:48Torneso i would guess it's doing something wrong at a point other than input
22:58:03Torneanyway, gerrit does not know anything about character sets
22:58:08TorneJS just deals with it
22:58:22Torneso, either your config is wacky somehow or you've found a bug in chrome (but not one that affects me)
22:58:32Torneit is probably not possibel for it to be gerrit's fault.
22:59:42bertrika crude rssi indication for the zen x-fi3 seems to work now
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23:02:19CIA-79Commit 4126dd1 in rockbox by Amaury Pouly: zenxfi3: acquire lcd pins before use
23:02:20CIA-79Commit 9b39574 in rockbox by Amaury Pouly: zenxfi3: acquire audio gate pins
23:02:21CIA-79Commit 3166ca8 in rockbox by Amaury Pouly: zenxfi3: acquire button and mpr121 interrupt pins
23:02:22DBUGEnqueued KICK CIA-79
23:02:22CIA-79Commit bcbc1de in rockbox by Amaury Pouly: zenxfi2: acquire button pins
23:02:23CIA-79Commit 3c19f39 in rockbox by Amaury Pouly: zenxfi2: acquire lcd pins before use
23:02:25CIA-79Commit aa119b5 in rockbox by Amaury Pouly: imx233: have pwm code acquire configured pins
23:02:26pamaurybertrik: nice to read that!
23:05:32bertriknooo, a panic!
23:06:31bertriksome conflict in pin acquire between spkr gate and lcd dotclk
23:08:07bertrikpamaury, I suppose I can disable dotclk for zen xfi-3?
23:08:39pamaurybertrik: wait a minute
23:09:32CIA-79bcbc1de build result: All green
23:11:06pamaurybertrik: I'll fix that, wait 5sec ;) you can disable dotclk acquire in lcd-zenxfi3.c during that time
23:13:20bertrikoops, it's in recovery mode now
23:14:08bertrikoh, now it's back in bootloader USB mode
23:16:15CIA-79Commit 1354f20 in rockbox by Amaury Pouly: zenxfi3: don't configure lcd_hsync and lcd_dotclk (used by audio)
23:16:38pamaurybertrik: should fix it
23:17:23pamaurysorry for the inconvinience, but the point of this mechanism is to find conflicts ;)
23:18:09bertrikno problem :)
23:18:18bluebrotherhmm. There's one tiny problem with dropping archived / "daily" builds from Rockbox Utility: the voices.
23:18:33bluebrothercurrently we only have voices build once per day.
23:19:07pamaurybertrik: can you check in the pinctrl debug screen that the pins correspond to the map here: ?
23:19:23pamaury(you can use up and down to scroll the list)
23:19:34bluebrotherhow much effort would it be to have a voicefile available for each build? Could we just refuse to install a premade voice file for a non-release build (since people can create their own voice file anyway)?
23:19:49pamaurythe only one missing should be uart and unknown pins
23:19:53bluebrotheror should we simply use the daily voice file instead?
23:20:55CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:20:55*bluebrother thinks asking users to build their own voice file for a development should be acceptable
23:21:01AlexPscorche: The left menu bar needs updating on the forums to say dev builds not current build, and the tracker section needs updating too
23:22:50CIA-791354f20 build result: All green
23:23:40bertrikB0P07 is different, debug screen says "volume down", wiki says "SD power / chip enable"
23:25:32bertrikvolume buttons appear to be on DIN2 not on DIN0
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23:25:47bertrikI can fix that I think
23:27:04pamauryhm, button-zenxfi3.c is wrong, you can change values from 0 to 2 at lines 13x
23:28:19pamaurybertrik: can you commit the change ?
23:29:13bertrikyes, I'll double check some other numbers too
23:29:26pamauryok thanks
23:34:20leavittxHello, I need to perform an assembly (target platform is armv9 - at least for my cowon d2) optimization of some small function. It's a task for university and I need to get it done quickly. So I have to start with a function written in c and produce several variants of asm equivalent, each one has to be faster then previous one. I'm new to asm stuff and I wonder if anyone could give me some ideas? My own idea was to speed-up fractals plugin a bit.
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23:43:47bertrikpamaury, changing the volume is very slow on the zenxfi3, is that correct (or perhaps caused by my pin change)?
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23:47:25CIA-79Commit 779ec8c in rockbox by Bertrik Sikken: zenxfi3: fix vol+/vol- button pin assignment
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23:53:21bertrikwow, build times are back to horrible :)
23:53:22CIA-79779ec8c build result: All green
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23:57:42n1sleavittx: sure, just find something that's somewhat time critical and hack in some way to benchmark it
23:58:05 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
23:58:42n1scodecs are already easy to benchmark and probably where we would most appreciate optimizations, however the low hanging fruits are probably already taken for the popular ones
23:58:43pamaurybertrik: I can't remember but I don't think it was particularly slow

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