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#rockbox log for 2012-05-24

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09:07:36pixelmahmm, setting volume on my Ondio seems very sluggish
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10:02:43amee2kdoes Transcend (for memory card and stuff) still have the shitty rep it had 5 years ago?
10:04:20copperamee2k: my 32 GB microsd card from Transcend suffers from file corruption
10:04:38copperbut maybe that's just me
10:04:55amee2kwell, they /are/ cheap ;)
10:05:05copperit wasn't when I bought it
10:05:08copper80 euros :(
10:05:26amee2kand the competitions's cards were 200 at the time? >_>
10:05:38copperabout the same I think
10:05:57copperI did buy it in a chinese computer store
10:06:51amee2kthen they probably sold you a returned one :P
10:07:13amee2knot really
10:08:02copperanyway, next time I'll stick to SanDisk and Lexar
10:08:20amee2kyeah, sandisks are popular
10:08:39amee2kand also kingston, but i have no idea how good these are
10:10:21copperbetter ask in #rockbox-community next time
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10:39:28mystica555copper: sure you didnt get a knockoff?
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10:50:40coppermystica555: how can I tell?
10:51:21mystica555its often hard to
10:51:43mystica555you should perhaps search for terms like 'ripoff chinese memory card transcend identifying marks'
10:52:01mystica555there are sites out there dedicated to the ripoff chips and how to ident them; granted, the Sandisk brand is one of the more popular ones to fake
10:52:16mystica555sadly its also one of the brands out there that *understand* wear leveling
10:53:00mystica555thus if you do buy a fake expecting long life, it will almost guaranteed be worse than a real one.. and most likely *far* worse, if the size is even correct
10:53:16mystica555what sort of symptoms are you seeing with the FS?
10:54:23mystica555the most scary symptoms I find are when the card/USB device reports itself as being say, 8 gigabytes, but in reality has a 1 gigabyte or even smaller flash chip onboard; the microcontroller lies to the system saying the size is much larger, then writes in some form of a destructive ring-buffer any new data to the card
10:54:32copperwouldn't this be better suited for #rockbox-community?
10:54:50mystica555copper: hm good point, however the subject of fake cards may be useful for those searching..
10:55:10mystica555due to public logging of this channel and such
10:55:40coppersize is ok, MD5sums don't match
10:55:41amee2kcopper: nope
10:56:47amee2ktopic fapping is a cute troll though, you get style points for that :)
10:56:50mystica555copper: id suggest this sort of a test: write a set of files to the card, of say 4 gigabytes. make note of the copy order. try to play the songs in order from oldest to newest
10:57:16mystica555in terms of order copied
10:57:23mystica555not in terms of creation time
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10:59:41mystica555copper: well, perhaps we should continue the remainder in #rockbox-community
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11:04:52amee2ki think it doesn't want to play anymore :P
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12:32:29Zagorwe have no database auto-change-detection, do we?
12:32:39ZagorI've hardly ever used the db...
12:36:45Tornethere's an autoupdate option
12:39:12Zagorah, there is. thanks. (/me feels suitably ashamed for asking before checking the manual..)
12:39:51Torneeverybody gets one
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13:12:19wodzpamaury: I am almost done with reverse engineering ZSP G2 isa
13:18:57pamaurywodz: thanks, did you tell me you had patches for skyeye ?
13:19:18wodzpamaury: ee parse error
13:20:42wodzpamaury: I hacked partial rk27xx support in skyeye if thats what you ask for
13:20:43pamaurypamaury: I would like to experiment with skyeye and I seem to recall you fixed lots of bugs, did you upstream them or do you have the patches ?
13:21:25pamauryand also your rk27xx code would probably help me to get started too :)
13:22:05wodzpamaury: My work is based on some older version of skyeye. I even ported it to something recentish but performance is terrible and I never figured out why
13:22:30pamaurydid skyeye changed a lot since then ?
13:24:20wodzquite a bit
13:25:19pamaurybecause it seems that the last update is quite ol
13:26:41wodzpamaury: you mean latest release or latest git commit?
13:26:52pamaurygit commit
13:27:58pamaurywodz: what are the different columns ?
13:28:26wodzpamaury: you should look at 'opcodes' tab
13:28:41pamauryah right :)
13:29:09wodzpamaury: first column is mask, then there is mnemonic, operands, binary encoding
13:29:33wodzpamaury: instructions starting from 0xfxxx are 32bit width
13:29:49wodzsex is little-endian
13:30:10wodzI mean in 16bit word
13:30:20wodzpointers are 32bit
13:32:50wodzwhen calculating offsets one should take addres in 16bit words (I mean PC=1 means byte[2])
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13:33:49pamauryI'm not sure I understand your last sentence
13:34:55wodzaddresses are expressed in halfwords not bytes
13:35:44pamaurystill don't get it :-/ Addresses are 32-bit right ?
13:36:49pamauryso what did you mean by " offsets one should take addres in 16bit words" ?
13:37:29pamauryalso, on relative branches, is there a pipeline effect ? (like adding a small offset to the current PC)
13:38:03wodzall offsets are PC relative
13:38:30wodzbr -1 will jump to itself
13:39:26pamauryah, so the offset in in half word and not bytes
13:39:45wodzyes exactly
13:40:18pamauryand it's relative to PC+1 actually if br -1 jumps to itself
13:40:44pamaurywhat is the stack pointer ? aX ?
13:41:36pamaurydo you have a documentation of the instructions ? For example, what is the difference between std and stdx ?
13:41:51wodzsort of
13:42:13wodzyou can google for zsp400 datasheet
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13:43:24wodzstd is for store double, stdx is store double with index :-)
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13:43:56wodzu variant is updating the pointer (stdu for example)
13:44:09pamauryso what do plan to do with it and how can I help ?
13:45:15wodzpamaury: If it is possible to use llvm/clang to get assembler/disassembler which can be later used to actually compile C code it would be great
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13:46:01pamauryok, I'll try that then. Do you have the little hacky disassembler ? That will help debugging I guess
13:46:17pamauryIt is a shame that I don't have such a DSP myself to try it
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13:46:59wodzpamaury: I have small wrapper for dasm() function from abizsp.dll you have dissasembled.
13:47:20pamauryyes, that's enough, just want to avoid rewritting it myself
13:48:48pamaurywhat is the cheapest, working rk27xx based player with such a DSP that is easy to find in europe ?
13:50:18wodzpamaury: The cheapest will be like 15-20 Euro. The problem is that this will be noname clone and you have basically no way to tell in advance if it is rk27xx one
13:50:36wodzI can try to find one locally and send it to you
13:50:54pamaurythat would be nice of you, I'll pay you back of course
13:51:25pamaurywith nonames you can end up with a rknano ;)
13:53:05pamaurydid you try to ask rockchip about the zsp datasheet ? (we never know)
13:53:34pamauryI tried for the rknano without success though
13:53:45wodzpamaury: sure, and verisilicon also
13:54:20wodzverisilicon even called me back and asked for very restrictive NDA
13:55:00pamauryas usual :(
13:55:34wodzpamaury: you may have better luck with them as europe distributor is from France
13:55:36pamaury"you can read it but not share it with your brain" :D
13:56:36pamauryI guess it doesn't cost anything to tr
13:56:38wodzas well as I saw a few scientific papers which cover some zsp g2 aspects so maybe they are more keen to share some documents with universities
13:57:08pamaurywodz: do you have links to such papers ?
13:58:26wodzpamaury: I can't find it anymore unfortunately. The only one I still can find is this:
13:59:33wodzand this one:
13:59:36copperamee2k: I ran some tests on my Transcend microsd card, it's fine
13:59:46coppermy previous phone must be buggy
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14:04:27pamaurywodz: did you present yourself ask working on an open source project when asking verisilicon ?
14:04:53wodzpamaury: no
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14:15:18wodzpamaury: I found also this: (It is auto translated from chinese)
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18:27:40pamaurybertrik: hi, why did you ask me if I have the imx233 datasheet yesterday ?
18:27:56bertrikbecause I didn't have it yet, but I do now
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18:28:16pamauryit's easy to find on the internet, there are two versions of it actuallly
18:36:05pamauryI thought about it and realized that you probably got sound because DRI was not configured. Indeed the DRI pins are the same as the line1 ones. Which means that if you don't touch the imx233 dri, these actually act has analog pins and the audio-zenxfi3.c will configure the radio playback route from line1 to hp.
18:36:37pamauryNow the question is: did you got some actual analog sound or just the analog version of some digital protocol (DRI) ? :)
18:37:34bertriknot sure yet, left earphone has noise + faint audio, right earphone has noise + beep
18:39:17pamaurysure: right is dri clock, left is data :)
18:40:13pamauryI think the tuner was sending data using the digital protocol but since the SoC was not configured to use it, it just treated the input was audio
18:41:35bertrikcan we create a kind of digital passthrough without having to do complicated DMA stuff, etc?
18:42:39pamauryI haven't found one. The simplest one would be to simply bypass the pcm driver and setup the dma to loop on DRI input and the AUDIOOUT to loop on the same buffer
18:43:29pamauryif you have some code to make the tuner work, I can try to write such a thing so that's its easier for you to develop
18:44:58bertrikI mean, if the radio outputs digital audio and the DAC can directly convert this to analog audio, we might be able to get audio without much setup, just match the digital audio sender and receiver settings
18:45:27bertrikI can clean up the current radio code and commit it
18:46:12pamauryI don't think there is a "hardware bypass" that can do that, so the DMA thing is the simplest one. But that's not really complicated to setup if you just want to do it the hacky way I think
18:46:42pamauryotoh, the dri is not really documented so that doesn't help :-/
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19:46:25saratogabertrik: how much audio buffer is available on the clip zip?
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20:03:23Topyhm, how do you set the height of the recording histogram nowadays?
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20:12:51saratogaor anyone else with a clip zip if bertrik isn't around
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20:20:10saratogacan gerrit show you the difference between two patches in the same task?
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20:25:30gevaertssaratoga: I don't think it can directly, but you can cheat
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20:26:16saratogayeah i noticed that changing the base option compares all changes between patches, not just the ones in the actual patch
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20:27:10gevaertshm, that's probably the same
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20:29:39saratoga_i saw that feature, but i don't know what its actually showing me
20:29:47saratoga_that patch makes no changes to tdspeed as far as i can tell
20:29:52gevaertsYou van of course cherry-pick both patches to different branches, and then rebase them to the same revision
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20:43:12coppersaratoga_: 15:28:21 UTC <jhMikeS> Is hermite off the table or something?
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20:46:52bertriksaratoga_, just after boot, it shows 5.85 MB Buffer
20:47:53saratoga_copper: what about the resampler?
20:48:17saratoga_bertrik: ok then so probably not actually out of memory with any set of options
20:48:23saratoga_i wonder whats going on with the zip
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20:50:07saratoga_from that reply it sounds like the database is somehow corrupting memory
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20:52:21bertrikor something else is corrupting the database?
20:52:47coppersaratoga_: I'm just relaying the question
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21:05:57saratoga_i still don't understand why the zip behaves differently then the clip+
21:10:06bertrikworks for me (tm)
21:10:47saratoga_so either some weird hardware revision, or hes using some combination of settings you haven't tested
21:12:41bertrikthe display can be different, but that's not something complex
21:13:13saratoga_there were SD hardware revisions in the clip+, maybe something like that
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21:14:19bertrikI don't think it's hardware
21:14:45saratoga_have you tried running with a config file from someone with this issue?
21:15:02saratoga_maybe its some really specific setting combination needed to trigger memory corruption
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21:32:34saratoga_ughh does anyone know what that means
21:35:38saratoga_grepping through buffering.c it looks like the state of the audio buffer is completely busted
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