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#rockbox log for 2012-05-30

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00:26:59SWSYOHello. I'm having problems getting rockbox to load on my Sansa Clip Plus
00:27:34SWSYOI have tried both automatic and manual installs
00:28:11SWSYOthe player isn't shutting down after I do the install−−even after waiting several minutes.
00:33:06SWSYOIt just boots up with the original firmware
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00:42:42gevaertsSWSYO: sounds like you didn't install the bootloader
00:46:46SWSYOI did :/
00:46:50SWSYOOr at least I tried to
00:47:47SWSYOoh i think I got it working now
00:47:51SWSYOit was bricked for a bit there
00:47:58SWSYOit was detecting as a clip+, but it's a clip zip
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08:28:25amiconnNice. Current head has "never stops buffering" on the Player fixed. It probably had the same cause as the very slow volume change on other targets
08:29:54amiconnjhMikeS: Clip+ also has working voice again :)
08:31:22*amiconn has the impression that hdd quick-stop after buffering doesn't work on all targets atm
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10:12:59CIA-79Commit cdd01b7 in www by Björn Stenberg: Ignore tiny builds when calculating client speed.
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10:30:31pixelmabluebrother: I'd like to have a look but won't have time till tomorrow evening (and that's also questionable) - after that Monday would be next.
10:30:54pixelmahmm, or well, maybe now from work
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11:55:35B4gderhotmail subscribers might not get any rockbox mailing list mails anymore
11:55:51Torneoh well
11:56:47B4gderthey seem to have decided our mail server is not to be trusted
11:57:01Tornewell it is a wretched hive of scum and villiany
11:57:20Tornewait, i'm thinking of something else.
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12:16:55[Saint]Torne: Hotmail, or the Rb MLs? ;)
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12:49:41JdGordon[Saint]: ok, whats the %ax issue you want me to look into?
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12:51:27[Saint]the viewport isn't horizontally mirrored when the lang is ltr if the viewport is %ax'ed
12:52:02JdGordondid you try the patch i uplpoaded to the tracker?
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12:52:43[Saint]I didn't get a chance to, kinda figured you would've...but, then again, not too surprised ;)
12:54:25JdGordonI'm not 100% sure what you mean by horizontally mirroed though
12:54:41JdGordonthe viewport position? or the text alignemnt inside it?
12:55:24[Saint]the viewport position only, the text shouldn't be touched, that's what alignment tags are for.
12:56:18[Saint]the old implementation used to mess with the text, and it lead to interesting things like flipping the expected text direction, even if you set it with the lang direction specific alignment tags.
12:56:48JdGordonso then the patch *probably* works as expected
12:57:16JdGordon%(10,0,-,100,0) shold put it 10 pixels from the left margin or right on rtl?
12:58:13[Saint]left, %ax%(10,0,-,100,0) would align it 10px from the right edge.
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13:15:44JdGordon[Saint]: you dont remember the fs# do you?
13:16:25[Saint]my logs do, fs#12674
13:16:26fs-bluebot %ax no longer mirrors viewports when user lang is rtl (bugs, unconfirmed)
13:17:54JdGordonit really is annoying that all this lang stuff is in the parser :/
13:18:03JdGordonwe shouldnt need to reparse if the lang changes
13:18:37CIA-79Commit 7a00927 in rockbox by Jonathan Gordon: Fix FS #12674 - %ax() doesnt mirror viewport correctly
13:21:05CIA-797a00927 build result: All green
13:22:54JdGordon[Saint]: I dont suppose you've played with g#191 ?
13:22:56fs-bluebotGerrit review #191 at,191 : skin_engine: Use a smart consistant skin refresh rate for all screens by Jonathan Gordon (changes/91/191/2)
13:23:47[Saint]not at all, I'm sorry. Ihaven't had time to poke at rb stuff for a while.
13:23:56JdGordonno worries
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15:15:16rarogpamaury: I got windows to recognize the sd card. And it was trivial.
15:15:37pamaurywhat did you do ?
15:15:47rarogjust set (some fake) iSerial
15:16:26pamauryyeah, I was thinking about it. But ideally, I would like to be able to use the same iSerial as the OF, just didn't have time to investigate how it is computed.
15:16:27rarogI was enough to reuse set_serial_descriptor from the case "#elif (CONFIG_STORAGE & STORAGE_RAMDISK)" in usb_core.c
15:16:50pamauryNice fix anyway.
15:20:43rarogI think, that this is was a combination of windows implementation weakness and rockbox. If iSerial isn't set, Windows uses ParentId prefix to store information about drives in registry. ParentId generated by rockbox hast the "&" char inside, so this might interfere with windows, as in case with iSerial set it stores the drieves with serial and then "&0" and "&1" attached.
15:21:24rarogPerhaps it's not even that, but it gave me the right idea to investigate the iSerial-issue.
15:34:24rarogbtw, is it constant for all fuze+ devices or is it unique for each?
15:35:00rarogMy ends with 920B
15:35:57pamauryI don't have mine at hand the the serial on the wiki does not end with 920B so I think it's unique
15:44:32rarogHm... So searching for real serial would be another odyssey through registers or partitions. But at least we have possibility for now. :D
15:46:31pamauryI would like to use the same as the OF if possible, but that will be hard to find
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15:50:49rarogHm... Yeah. If you have a dump of all partitions, you could search for the string in the files, but I think, this is too complicated to implement it that way. Probably it is read or calculated from hardware.
15:53:22pamauryI plan to find out by disassembling the OF, any other way would be impossible
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16:06:46rarogJust looked, the serial isn't shown anywhere in OF, so it will be disassembling in or near usb code. Unfortunatelly my understanding disasm code is very limited, so I won't be able to help.
16:08:03rarogRead "anywhere in the GUI of OF"
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17:04:00mk_fsfehi there. I am looking for some people who can help with a "install party" for rockbox at an events with ~10.000 students in Berlin in August. Can you help me whom I should contact about that?
17:11:36[Saint_]that would depend on what exactly you want help with, I guess.
17:13:53mk_fsfeI would need some people who could assist students to install rockbox on their devices.
17:26:46KohlrabiWhat kind of event is it?
17:26:51KohlrabiSounds interesting ;)
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17:35:03mk_fsfeKohlrabi: it is Campus Party
17:35:15mk_fsfe(sorry I was on the phone)
17:35:36mk_fsfeI have to leave now. Do you have an e-mail address? Then I can send you some more information.
17:35:41mk_fsfeOr just write me to
17:35:46mk_fsfeAnd I'll reply to you
17:35:52mk_fsfeI have a meetin now...
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18:17:19pamauryapparently the fuze+ serial comes from the ocotp, it's the string version of the OPS bank
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19:00:33CIA-79Commit 7722014 in rockbox by Michael Sevakis: Get voice PCM queue indexes updating in right order...
19:02:48CIA-797722014 build result: All green
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19:22:35AlexPscorche`: ta :)
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20:03:54saratogamaybe it makes sense to disable voice by default in the dev builds until we make it stop horribly crashing
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21:24:03ramidesso I appear to have bricked by new Clip Zip. any advice?
21:24:27ramidesi was using the installer step by step and it seemed to ahve been ok.
21:24:55ramideseven fooled around in it a little bit. Then I look over and black screen. doesn't seem to power up
21:25:20ramideswindows says it's malfunctioning or unrecognizable. Any advice?
21:25:28funmanpress power button for 30seconds
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21:30:54ramidesthat worked- thanks. Hard reset for the bootloader?
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21:46:52funmanhard reset for the player
21:47:00funmanwell hard power-off
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22:14:19bluebrotherpixelma: no problem −− I don't mind that patch to sit around in gerrit for a bunch of days
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22:21:06bluebrotherI think we should have a new release of Rockbox Utility soonish −− like by the next weekend
22:21:36bluebrotherhowever, I neither have time nor motivation to look into that "link more statically" thing we discussed at DevCon for Linux binaries.
22:22:06bluebrotherso I'm thinking to either build Linux binaries as before or not provide any. Honestly, IMO Linux users should be able to compile themselves.
22:22:39bluebrotheror is anyone else willing to look into that "link more statically" issue and / or provide Linux binaries?
22:22:52funmanwhat is the problem ?
22:24:53bluebrothernewer linux distros doing things differently and thus breaking the binary since we link some stuff dynamically
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22:24:58bluebrotheri.e. mostly stuff Qt links
22:25:17funmanare we building qt for osx/windows already?
22:25:41bluebrothersee FS #12654
22:25:42fs-bluebot rockbox utility has font problems (bugs, unconfirmed)
22:26:08bluebrotherfor Windows yes, for OS X no (since we can use the binaries provided by Nokia, and on OS X we don't need to link statically)
22:27:26bluebrotherthe think about that FS entry (and the thing that really pisses me off) is that it's not a problem with Rockbox Utility. It's just a problem with the binary, and given the pace modern Linux distros move it's pretty much impossible to have a binary like Rockbox Utility to work on every system without problems
22:27:47bluebrotherand I'm really tired of hunting "bugs" on all kind of distros I don't use.
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22:28:41funmanusing static linking would fix that font problem?
22:28:47funman(static qt4 libs)
22:28:55bluebrotherusing _more_ static linking: maybe
22:29:00bluebrotherwe already link Qt statically
22:29:27funmanah ubuntu doesnt have static qt libs afaics
22:29:28bluebrotherwhich means that I always have to build Qt myself (for Windows, Linux 32bit and 64bit)
22:29:41funmanah ok
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22:30:04*funman checks 1.2.13 binary
22:30:06bluebrotherwe could get away with dynamic linking on Windows but then we'd need to distribute the dll files as well
22:30:49funmannon static libs include uuid, usb (not font-related), freetype and various X compoments
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22:31:19bluebrotherlibusb _should_ have been linked statically (since it's only linked by Rockbox Utility, not Qt)
22:31:30bluebrotherbut seems something in my setup is broken with libusb
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22:31:43bluebrotherpretty much everything else is pulled in by Qt
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22:32:57funmanah i can reproduce the problem on ubuntu
22:33:53funmanwhich distro do you run ?
22:34:09bluebrotherFedora 16. The binaries are created on Debian 6.0.3
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22:34:27funmani am pretty sure i have seen this problem already
22:34:32bluebrotherI've also tried them on F14 (since the other machine is still waiting to get updated)
22:35:00bluebrothera problem like this has also been seen on Ubuntu systems that don't have a proper setup for Qt programs
22:35:39funmani just built my own RockboxUtility and it shows a proper font
22:35:57bluebrotherI'm not surprised by that :)
22:35:58funmani asked the qt guy of vlc just in case
22:36:12funmandid you link with fontconfig ?
22:36:16bluebrotherdoes vlc provide static binaries?
22:36:23bluebrotherI link with the stuff Qt links :)
22:36:33funmandid you configure qt with fontconfig support?
22:36:57funman(we dont distribute linux binaries though)
22:37:15bluebrotherthough I need to look that up
22:37:23funmanwell my RockboxUtility links with fontconfig
22:37:34funman1.2.13 only links with freetype
22:37:41bluebrotheryou've built against the system Qt, did you?
22:38:00bluebrotherthen I expect that to link against fontconfig
22:38:25funmanright, thus I think it was missing for the 1.2.13 binary, else it would have been dynamicalyl linked like freetype
22:38:28*bluebrother starts up VM to check shows fontconfig
22:39:40funmanbtw we have a small diff to cross compile qt4 from linux for windows
22:40:23bluebrotherI didn't disable fontconfig in Qt. The binary doesn't, so maybe fontconfig was missing when building Qt
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22:42:31bluebrotheraccording to pkg-config fontconfig is available
22:43:56funmanhm try -fontconfig to force it maybe
22:44:08funmanstrings RockboxUtility|grep Fc shows nothing relevant
22:45:21bluebrotherwell, my main problem is not that we do have some lib issues on newer Linux distros.
22:45:40bluebrotherit's merely that I'm not motivated to continue spending time on supporting that
22:46:07funmanhow do you build Qt ?
22:46:27funmani could take a look to see if explicitely enabling fontconfig fixes that particular problemn
22:49:11bluebrotherthough I add -no-webkit -no-script -no-scripttools these days to keep compile time reasonable :)
22:51:21bluebrotherhmm, what was the option to build the sim with the non-default threading support?
22:51:48gevaertsI don't know exactly, but it's something like −−sdl-threads. −−help knows :)
22:52:15bluebrotherI'm trying to reduce the size of voice files and currently just see it crashing :)
22:52:59bluebrotherah, −−help. Why isn't that an option in (A)dvanced btw?
22:53:19bluebrother(the threads thing, not −−help :)
22:54:05funmanit's overkill that we have 2 ways of specifying options
22:54:23bluebrotherthen we need to remove that menu from configure! ;-)
22:55:14funmanok with me
22:56:10bluebrotheroh, and any ideas about a good file extension for voice string files in G#246 ?
22:56:11fs-bluebotGerrit review #246 at,246 : Create binary voice string archive on target. by Dominik Riebeling (changes/46/246/1)
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23:00:56gevaertsbluebrother: lnv?
23:01:34bluebrotherwith −−sdl-threads I get undefined reference to `find_first_set_bit'
23:01:53gevaertsAh, right. The link order issue...
23:01:58bluebrothergevaerts: not sure. Zagor said he didn't like the 3 letter abbreviation
23:02:16bluebrotherI was thinking about something like "vstring"
23:02:22gevaertsbluebrother: it's FAT, won't more than three be inefficient?
23:02:30bluebrotherbut it kinda feels weird
23:02:45bluebrotherno, since we're on vfat :)
23:02:57gevaertsvfat makes it *possible* :)
23:02:57bluebrotherand the files are (at least for now) placed inside of a zip file anyway
23:03:17mshathlonxpcan anyone give me a link to current english.lang? The link in is broken as usual I'm confused where to find it
23:03:25bluebrotherIIRC vfat treats the . as a "normal" character
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23:04:32gevaertsFeel free to fix the wiki :)
23:05:51bluebrothermshathlonxp: reload the page, I just fixed the link in the wiki
23:06:41bluebrother"get current <somefile>" is simply "go to webinterface of source code repository and browse" :)
23:06:58funmanbluebrother: so if I build with -fontconfig it works fine, trying with -no-fontconfig now
23:07:57bluebrothergevaerts: do you know details about the linking order issue? I.e. what I have to change?
23:09:01funmanif libQt depends on libm : gcc foo.o -lQt -lm
23:09:28funmanaah no that was something els
23:10:54funmankugel: pointed that it's weird that it only happens with sdl threads, since they don't use that function (at least not explicitely)
23:13:06bluebrotherhmm, that change doesn't seem to work for me
23:15:30gevaertsbluebrother, funman: that changes rockbox.elf, which isn't used for the sim
23:15:52gevaertsYou need an equivalent change in uisimulator/uisimulator.make
23:16:01gevaertsHm, well, no
23:16:13funmanhm i am pretty sure i used this exact change but it doesnt work anymore
23:16:16gevaertsThere's a different patch somewhere
23:16:47funmanperhaps it's not the right target indeed
23:16:51bluebrotherwow, my ccache was 13GiB :o
23:18:24funmanbluebrother: else just make V=1 bin and add that .o at the end of the gcc command
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23:19:09funmangevaerts: but it's the same patch
23:20:41funmanbluebrother: that's it, -fontconfig works and -no-fontconfig shows me a weird font (although a different one than 1.2.13 binary)
23:21:51gevaertsbluebrother: try
23:22:08bluebrotherfunman: still strange −− my VM says I have fontconfig. Maybe that's related to an updated fontconfig in current Ubuntu?
23:22:54funmanyour binary doesn't have fontconfig linked in
23:23:29funmanhmm well if it's linked statically and stripped then perhaps it's normal if I don't see the fontconfig function names in strings output
23:24:14funmanno i would see error messages of libfontconfig
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23:24:55bluebrothergevaerts: ok, that works :)
23:25:42funmangevaerts: nice :)
23:26:21funmanbluebrother: worth adding -fontconfig to ./configure ? it might be able to reuse your existing object files
23:26:47gevaertsfunman: rumours have it that that may not work on OSX
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23:33:15funmanwow rockbox git is really big
23:33:53funmangit received 124MB
23:35:31Torne124MB is big?
23:35:36Tornei think you haven't been cloning the right gits :)
23:35:41Torneit's one of the smallest i use :p
23:35:53funmani'm not comparing to another bigger project
23:36:06Torneit's also barely bigger than a svn checkout
23:36:19funmanthat's still a lot
23:38:18funman has osx binaries but no sdl-config (which rockbox wants)
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23:41:51funmangevaerts: the sim doesn't build anyway
23:42:00funman/Users/videolan/funman/rockbox/apps/plugin.h:49: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before numeric constant
23:42:23funmanit's likely defined already as a conflicting prototype
23:42:58funman/Users/videolan/funman/rockbox/apps/debug_menu.c:2267: error: initializer element is not constant
23:43:15funman(a bunch of these since this macro is quite common)
23:44:00funmanrockbox/apps/playback.c:3811: error: only weak aliases are supported in this configuration
23:44:18funmangcc version 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2336.1.00)
23:44:36gevaertsSounds like lots of fun
23:45:50bluebrotheryou're on 10.7?
23:45:51funmanclang isn't better
23:46:06funmani think it is 10.6
23:46:27*bluebrother wonders why the offset for the first voice clip is swapped
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23:57:11bluebrotherwhy does voice file loading to byte swapping if we have target specific voice files anyway?
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