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#rockbox log for 2012-06-27

00:00:10PwnsomeWinwhat do i do with the datasheet?
00:04:21saratogawasn't that the player that had some 24 bit DSP?
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00:07:04PwnsomeWini think so
00:07:13PwnsomeWinCreative MuVo v100
00:09:36PwnsomeWinthe one that's compiler needed to be remade
00:10:59bertrikI get the feeling that you're hugely underestimating the effort needed
00:11:17PwnsomeWini know it'll be really hard
00:11:27PwnsomeWini want to try, see how far i get
00:12:08saratogayeah someone posted pics, its a sigmatel DSP
00:12:20saratogadon't bother, you won't be able to port rockbox to it
00:12:49saratogano compiler, no 32 bit CPU
00:13:24saratogaincidentally, if you're asking this, you probably are a couple years worth of experience short of where you need to be to port rockbox to much of anything
00:13:31PwnsomeWindo you mean its impossible, or its really hard
00:14:56saratogaso maybe you should pick something simple to work on and then once you're more familiar with embedded programming look into porting
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00:15:27saratogausually its easier to crawl before you master spaceflight
00:15:35PwnsomeWinonly other mp3 player i got thats not stable is sansa express
00:15:46sc_any stable for the 160gb classic?
00:16:32PwnsomeWini read somewhere that rockbox cant be ported to the express
00:16:39PwnsomeWinso yeah
00:16:47saratogayeah theres a port, but it requires some hardware modification
00:16:55PwnsomeWinunless theres something i can do to a stable release
00:16:59saratogaif i were you i would buy a stable port and work on something for it
00:17:22PwnsomeWini have 3 stable ports
00:17:29saratogawell then there you go
00:17:31saratogawork on one of them
00:17:53PwnsomeWinwhat is there to work on?
00:17:59saratogawhatever you want
00:18:06saratogasc_: we have the port status on the front page
00:18:19PwnsomeWinwhat would be something simple to work on?
00:18:52saratogadepends, what embedded stuff have you done before?
00:19:38PwnsomeWinnothing, but ive done quite a bit of regular programming
00:20:15saratogahmm ok, then i would pick something familiar and work on that, generally writing stuff on an mp3 player is more frustrating then a PC
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00:20:47sc_port status you say?
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00:21:23sc_well, that hasn't changed in months, which i assume means that there is no `stable'
00:21:36sc_whats the best firmware I can run on my ipod 6g 160gb?
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00:21:51saratogalatest rockbox or the apple firmware
00:22:14sc_2012-03-20: Significantly improved battery life on the iPod Classic 6G
00:22:21PwnsomeWinany ideas for something to work on the clip or clip+?
00:22:50sc_guess i am gonna build from git
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00:24:31saratogasc_: FWIW we do provide downloads of every rockbox target after ever code commit
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00:25:15PwnsomeWinno ideas?
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00:26:59sc_saratoga: thanks
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00:27:59sc_guess 3.8mb is better than Receiving objects: 100% (235867/235867), 124.33 MiB | 4.41 MiB/s, done.
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00:28:22saratogai should probably add that link to the wiki page for the classic
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00:28:33PwnsomeWini have an idea
00:28:47PwnsomeWincould i port this: to a clip or clip+?
00:29:16PwnsomeWinwait no... can't find the source
00:30:37saratogasource of what?
00:31:26saratogapacbox is a part of rockbox
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00:32:54PwnsomeWinim really confused at what i can do and what i cant
00:32:58saratogayou just posted a link to a rockbox plugin, that is, a part of rockbox
00:33:14PwnsomeWinyeah, but not for the sansa clip
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00:33:42PwnsomeWini want to make it compatible with the sansa clip
00:33:45saratogaPwnsomeWin: to be clear, rockbox runs on the sansa clip
00:33:56PwnsomeWinyeah, but the plugin pacbox doesnt
00:34:03sc_whoa, what is the easiest way in linux to overwrite /mnt/ipod/.rockbox (old) with ~/.rockbox (new)
00:34:22sc_rm then cp?
00:34:34saratogai would just unzip directly to the player
00:35:26saratogaPwnsomeWin: there is just one rockbox, its an operating system that runs on a lot of devices, if you want the source for it, you can download it from our website using git
00:35:41PwnsomeWini have the source
00:35:48saratogathen you have pacbox :)
00:36:16PwnsomeWinokay, then what CAN i add to the port?
00:36:18sc_rockbox# unzip -o -d /media/floppy/
00:36:23sc_guess that worked :)
00:37:09saratogaPwnsomeWin: i'm sorry i don't understand that question
00:37:42PwnsomeWinsince rockbox is stable on a sansa clip, what can i do with it?
00:38:45PwnsomeWinwhat can i do with the sansa clip port of rockbox?
00:39:11saratogai guess the best answer i have is "whatever you want" but i'm guessing there is something else you're trying to ask
00:40:56PwnsomeWini dont know what i want
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00:42:14saratogai guess my general advice would be to use rockbox, look at the code, and then find something you want to improve and also think is reasonable for you to accomplish
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00:53:16*pamaury has a working usb/mtp analyzer, and it's not even ugly!
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01:05:45pamauryI still dream of writing a full open source graphical usb analyzer one day, but I don't have time to spend on it
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01:06:34saratogathis is a software analyzer or a device?
01:07:06pamauryit takes a pcap file as input
01:07:21sc_saratoga: this is working nice, thanks
01:07:27sc_much more responsive than my old build :)
01:07:31pamauryI started reverse engineering the usb protocol of the usb analyzer but never finished
01:07:55pamaury(the official rockbox usb analyzer)
01:14:23saratogaare you looking at the remaining AMS USB issues these days?
01:16:20pamauryI spent too much time on :-/
01:17:07saratogayeah i know the feeling
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03:14:17[Saint]what's the min API level for RaaA these days?
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03:26:43[Saint]I have a feeling it may be 2.1
03:27:00[Saint]I just can't be bothered installing a bunch of APIs I'll never use.
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03:34:11*[Saint] wonders if the wiki wants a debian armel chroot image capable of compiling Rockbox and RaaA :)
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11:30:41Tornegevaerts: yeah, you need PIC for shared libraries because the load address is unpredictable, and executables are normally linked for fixed addresses, but these days we like position independant executables as well so that we can load them at random addresses to defeat return-to-image buffer overrun attacks
11:31:12Tornegevaerts: the process to make an executable position independant is slightly different, though, because of $MAGIC, so you need a special switch not just -fPIC
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11:53:15JdGordon[Saint]: ping
11:53:34JdGordonso, does any interesting rockbox talk happen on the weekly hangouts?
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12:02:12gevaertsJdGordon: sometimes. Yesterday we had a demo of the new rockbox utility
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12:03:05gevaertsTorne: could the issues wodz is seeing be related to that?
12:04:09Tornenot entirely sure what the issues are
12:04:26Tornewe shouldn't be using PIC
12:05:01Tornewe can't mmap() or fork() so there's no need to consider text relocations bad; the loader can just apply them
12:05:08Torneand then the code will be more efficient
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13:57:10SzataniPod 5G are supported?
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14:15:09wodzmore news from bflt front - elf2flt doesn't build agains binutils version used in our toolchain for SH, Official elf2flt version lacks MIPS support so obviously doesn't build either. There is some patch floating around to add limited mips support to elf2flt but I didn't looked if it applies cleanly
14:24:54wodzmips patch doesn't apply cleanly
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14:51:04[Saint]Szatan: assuming you mean the iPod Video, then, yes.
14:51:21[Saint]If you mean the Nano5G, then no.
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14:52:24Szatan[Saint]: thx ;)
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14:56:34CIA-47Commit 7c9e7ec in rockbox by Amaury Pouly: sbtools: add option to force sb dump
14:56:34CIA-47Commit 2f1da04 in rockbox by Amaury Pouly: zenutils/update_extract: make sure the archive is valid
15:00:47amayerwhat is sb dump?
15:06:03wodzsb is firmware format used by imx233/sigmatel37xx
15:16:15amayerok thank you
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18:09:09user27 Hey guys I have a Sansa Clip + issue it doesn't have rockbox on it but I have searched everywhere and couldn't find a solution, can y'all still help me
18:09:37user27It freezes at startup and I can't get it to show up on my computer, any help would be much apreciated
18:10:41Mirdid you look at unbricking procidures?
18:11:23Mirthats the only thing i can think of
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18:11:57user27Awesome thanks so much!! I'll go try that now!
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19:05:20rocktriangleHello, Could someone tell me how to create a playlist? Every time I do so, it dissapears.
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19:37:11JohnMLMenu item "user rating" has been replaced by "tempo" in svn 2f1da04-120627 and Sansa Clip+
19:37:45JohnMLSee also Bug report FS #12709
19:37:46fs-bluebot Menu item "user rating" has been replaced by "tempo" (bugs, unconfirmed)
19:38:31JohnMLnice bot :-))
19:45:56PwnsomeWinwhy is there one keymap file for every sansa clip?
19:46:40funmani only see keymap-clip.c
19:47:35PwnsomeWinyeah, why not have seperate ones for each clip?
19:47:54PwnsomeWinbecause the original clip doesnt have a power button, its a slide thing
19:48:57funmanwe try to reduce complexity. the power button is seldom used anyway
19:49:27megal0maniacStill a NO button though. One in the same thing to the CPU. Like a slider & rotary potentiometer.
19:49:33PwnsomeWinso if i made three seperate clip files, you wouldnt take it?
19:50:00funmani think it is a bad idea. which changes do you want to make to the keymaps?
19:50:23PwnsomeWinwell, i dont like using the power slider on the clip to go back
19:50:33PwnsomeWinsome places, the only way to go back is the power slider
19:50:34funmanmenu button should work too
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19:50:46funmanok but which button would you use then?
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19:50:59PwnsomeWini dont think so, but lemme see
19:51:24megal0maniacHe's right, sometimes the power button is the only way back.
19:51:28funmanif you use another combination, that combination would work on other clips too, so still no need for separate keymaps
19:51:30PwnsomeWinjust tried it
19:51:45funmani agree that the clip keymap needs some love
19:52:03megal0maniacSame scenario with the ClipPlus
19:52:09PwnsomeWinso if i made a different combination for all clips, would you take it?
19:52:17PwnsomeWinif it was good
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19:54:14PwnsomeWinwhere is button.h?
19:54:28funmantry find . -name button.h
19:54:44PwnsomeWindo i do that in git or something?
19:55:05funmancd rockbox; find ....
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19:59:57PwnsomeWindoes BUTTON_REL mean button release?
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20:01:41mortalisPwnsomeWin: yes
20:05:34megal0maniacPardon my ignorance, but how do I build rockbox utility? I've got git up to date, and I know where the sources are. What now?
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20:06:58PwnsomeWinwhats that?
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20:08:21gevaertsJohnML: how did you install that build?
20:08:26PwnsomeWinalso, is there work on the sansa express port?
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20:14:22megal0maniacSansa express isn't a viable target, AFAIK
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20:20:48PwnsomeWinso its not possible
20:24:15gevaertsmegal0maniac: that's a bit outdated
20:24:28PwnsomeWinoh yeah
20:24:33PwnsomeWini read that same topic
20:24:35gevaertsAt least some sigmatel targets are possible
20:24:47gevaertsI'd expect the sansa express to have very little RAM though
20:25:36megal0maniacTrue, but haven't seen any progress on that port in particular. Didn't know that sigmatel ports were now possible though. What current targets use sigmatel?
20:27:27gevaertsIsn't the imx233 very similar to a sigmatel chip?
20:27:34gevaertsNot the one in the sansa express though
20:30:31*megal0maniac shrugs
20:32:46JohnMLgevaerts: i installed the svn version with rockbox utility 1.2.14 ( 3.06.12 )
20:35:58gevaertsok, that should have done a proper installation. Weird...
20:39:07JohnMLgevaerts: somebody replaced a menu item instead of adding it ??
20:39:54PwnsomeWinare sansa c200, sansa c240 and sansa c250 all different players or are the c240 and c250 types of a c200?
20:40:49PwnsomeWinim confused about that =P
20:41:15AlexPdifferent storage size, same player
20:41:32AlexPso long as you are talking about the same version for all
20:41:45PwnsomeWinso the c240 and the c250 are just different names for the c200?
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20:41:55AlexPnot exactly
20:42:09AlexPThey are c200 series players with different storage size
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20:42:32AlexPI can't remember what they are off the top of my head, but e.g. c240 2GB, c250 4GB
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20:42:39PwnsomeWinno, 1gb and 2gb
20:42:41PwnsomeWini think
20:42:45AlexPwell whatever
20:42:59PwnsomeWinim still confused
20:43:24PwnsomeWinis c200 the name of the series?
20:43:35PwnsomeWini see
20:43:41AlexPit isn't complicated
20:43:53PwnsomeWinwell i was confused
20:45:47gevaertsJohnML: I can't reproduce this in the simulator. I do get "Set song rating" there. I'm guessing something went wrong on the system that did that particular build
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20:51:02JohnMLgevaerts: i see that for weeks now and for several svn versions. I will uninstall/install rockbox ?!!!
20:51:26gevaertsDoes anyone else here have a clip+?
20:51:39*gevaerts doesn't have one, so he can't reproduce this properly
20:52:04gevaertsNormally you get such things if the language file is wrong
20:52:25gevaertsBut that shouldn't happen if you installed properly, which rockbox utility should do
20:52:38JohnMLgevaerts: i try to change german to english !!
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20:54:24gevaertsJohnML: what do you mean?
20:56:20JohnMLgevaerts: i changed language of ui from german to english, but no effect, tempo is called pitch, and thats what we espect ?!!
20:56:21rocktriangleHello again, I was wondering is it possible to add songs into a seperate playlist from the database
20:56:59gevaertsJohnML: no, it's definitely not. I'd really like to know if someone else sees the same thing on the clip_+
20:57:39gevaertsI'm sure *someone* here has one
20:57:45rocktriangleI do
20:58:02rocktriangleIt's the only DAP I have that supports rockbox.
20:58:07evilnickrocktriangle: What are you trying to do?
20:58:12PwnsomeWini have clip +
20:58:30JohnMLgevaerts: i posted in your forum also, so lets wait if somneone else ...
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20:58:57rocktriangleI put 8-9 albums onto my clip +, since they're all new to me I found many songs that I like within the albums but I Want them seperated for future listening
20:59:22JohnMLPwnsomeWin: see here
20:59:47rocktriangleI don't want to make a playlist on the computer since I'd rather spend my time listening to them and seperate them on the go.
21:00:08rocktriangleI hear it then and there and add it or do something with it, otherwise I'll forget.
21:00:52evilnickThat sounds like something that you could use Playlist Catalogue for that, but I'm not sure if using the Database (rather than Files) will complicate things at all or not
21:01:37gevaertsJohnML: one thing you could try (you never know!) is checking the filesystem
21:02:14JohnMLgevaerts: ok, using gparted
21:03:02JohnMLevilnick: thanks
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21:07:45rocktriangleWhen I enter Files, I see nothing, yet Database shows all the audio files in the play.
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21:16:18bertrikgevaerts, I have a clip+
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21:17:17wodz\o/ - all bflt plugins I tried work as expected now. Exit problem vanished and rockblox works
21:17:19gevaertsbertrik: can you enable the database, enable "gather runtime data", and see if the wps context menu has "set song rating"?
21:17:35gevaerts(which should be fixed. We play tracks, not songs...)
21:17:44gevaertswodz: nice! What was the issue?
21:20:24bertrikthere's no set song rating or set track rating
21:20:40gevaertsDo you see "pitch"?
21:20:57gevaertsWhat happens if you select that?
21:21:15bertrikyou see the pitch screen
21:21:30wodzgevaerts: I f*** up relocations processing
21:21:44JohnMLgevaerts: you see pitch possibilities
21:22:31gevaerts"Set song rating" is between "playback settings" and "bookmarks" for me
21:22:35gevaerts(in the sim)
21:23:01bertrikI see it now, after the database reinitialised
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21:24:19JohnMLgevaerts: if i start the clip+ i sometimes see the message rebuilding tag database ..
21:24:55JohnML0/9 .. 1/9 ..2/9 ...
21:25:36gevaertsDoes the database work normally?
21:25:44gevaertsAnd do you have "gather runtime data" enabled?
21:25:53JohnMLgevaerts: i think so
21:26:22JohnMLgevaerts: have a look, i think i didn't
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21:26:31saratogascorche: can you remove me from the spam filter on the forums?
21:28:02gevaertssaratoga: I've released your post now
21:29:38JohnMLgevaerts: just updating the database ... manually, before it has been auto updating
21:31:59rocktriangleI have a slight problem, in the ##MUISC# folder, there are folders of music that were deleted that are still there. Many folders within the music folder that were once deleted are still there and are now in the SID format. I try to delete them but nothing happens.
21:32:12rocktriangleFor others, I get a massive warning saying the folder was moved.
21:32:34saratogaprobably a corrupt file system, check it for errors
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21:36:40rocktriangleIt said it found some errors but when I tried to erase it, once again I get the same error saying everything has been moved.
21:36:43JohnMLgevaerts: thanks for your help, i have to leave now, its soccer|football time in europe :-))
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21:49:47Zagorkugel: "Fatal build error: Command not found. Blocking kugel-x-kugel."
21:55:16Zagorthat's why the build is hanging. kugel is currenty the only build client offering arch android15. and a bug in the master doesn't disqualify it when kugels client bugs out
21:56:10gevaertsZagor: whenever I restarted my client, it was always asked to redo the ypr0 build. Not sure if that points to something
21:56:12Zagoramiconn: your client "saturn" offers android30. iirc we changed the naming from "android version" to "api version", which it seems noone told you :-)
21:56:31Zagorgevaerts: yeah I saw that in the log. looks like another bug.
21:57:38gevaertsOh, could you bump the required client version one of these days so everything's ready for the next step in the "autobuild the manuals" project?
21:57:51gevaertsI'm not sure if the check I did there is the best possible one though
21:58:31Zagorthe version number looks mighty exact :-)
21:58:47gevaertsIt is!
21:59:24gevaertsIIRC the version number gets more precise with every release rather than the more usual way of making it bigger
21:59:37Zagorhaha, that's pretty funny
21:59:55Zagoryet quite user unfriendly
22:01:08Zagorbottom line: we need android support in more clients
22:01:24Zagor(I need to fix the bug(s) too, but that won't magically make android builds appear)
22:03:16gevaertsI'll install one
22:04:14ZagorI stopped my desktop machine while I'm away on vacation. otherwise it would have picked up the slack.
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22:11:17bertrikcan we (build clients) prepare something already for the "autobuild manuals" project?
22:12:06gevaertsbertrik: make sure you have the latex installed, and as soon as the client is updated to actually know about it, add "latex" to the set of toolchains
22:12:10bertrikbah, the output is so clean now! :)
22:12:43bertrikI guess I can add "latex" already
22:13:22amiconnZagor: So what should it tell instead?
22:13:26Zagoryeah, the server doesn't care what tools you report. it just matches against the list of builds
22:13:51Zagoramiconn: android15
22:14:14PwnsomeWini might get a nano 3g to help with a port with it
22:16:12amiconnHmm, I only have up to 13 in "platforms"
22:17:24gevaertsamiconn: I think "android update sdk −−no-ui −−filter platform,platform-tool,tool" will update it
22:18:04wodz g#286 updated
22:18:05fs-bluebotGerrit review #286 at : bFLT loader for plugins by Marcin Bukat (changes/86/286/3)
22:19:01gevaertswodz: so we need to update the sh toolchain and think about mips?
22:19:20wodzif we want to go bflt route then yes
22:20:04wodzmips is problematic as virtually no active dev has the target
22:20:26*gevaerts nods
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22:21:48bertrikwodz, what's the advantage of bflt over our current system?
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22:24:00wodzbertrik: 1) we could get rid of staticaly assigned pluginbuf (aka alocate buffer with buflib on demand) 2) This is the first step to multiple plugins at the same time which could lead to 3) make core modular and load functionalities on demand
22:24:49bertrikok cool, thanks for the explanation
22:24:54wodzmy motivation to work on this was mostly 1) as I would like to port flite which may have problems fitting in pluginbuf
22:25:05amiconnHmm, the android SDK manager is confusing:\
22:25:13user27Mir: Thanks, took your advice and now it works perfectly, and I have rockbox installed too
22:25:22amiconnWhy can't it just update in one step?
22:26:04amiconnHmm, is there an NDK update available/ required as well?
22:26:32gevaertsThe ndk is on r8 IIRC, but I think you can still use r5something
22:26:34wodzbah, even ebay don't have any mips onda to offer
22:26:41*amiconn has r6 installed
22:27:15gevaertsI updated my laptop's NDK to r8 recently because that's needed for MIPS, but that's not autobuilt yet
22:27:59gevaertsOK, my client should be android-ready now
22:28:58Zagortrying the build again
22:29:18gevaertsZagor: r50 still only knows how to check for android30
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22:29:38gevaertsAnd that's the one my client runs, so possibly it should get a push?
22:30:03ZagorI'll push it
22:31:07wodzhmm uk amazon has 3 ondas vx747 left
22:32:13wodzmaybe we should buy it
22:32:54amiconnZagor: updated.
22:33:07Zagoramiconn: great
22:34:56gevaertswodz: sounds like a good idea to me
22:35:34CIA-472f1da04 build result: All green
22:35:51wodzIt would be easier to buy for UK guys I think
22:36:20amiconn...and my client right got an android build as the first one in this round...
22:37:13gevaertswodz: maybe an email to -committers?
22:38:42AlexPwodz: Can I help?
22:39:14bertrikthose aren't vx747's, but the successor to it, right?
22:39:45wodzthis is pretty much described as mips vx747
22:40:58wodzhmm maybe not
22:42:14wodzI know next to nothing about this targets
22:42:18PwnsomeWinwhats an mp3 player that isnt stable on rockbox that i could get for under $30?
22:42:46AlexPNo idea, search amazon etc.
22:42:54AlexPThen compare to
22:43:08bertrikI can't think of any
22:43:42bertrikmaybe a used m200v4, we never got rockbox running well on that
22:44:09wodzAlexP: comparing to it seems be the same
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22:44:47AlexPwodz: Sorry, I meant PwnsomeWin :)
22:50:18wodzmail sent
22:53:12kugelZagor: which cmd isnt found?
22:53:26ZagorI don't know, the log only says that line
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22:55:19saratogam200v4 is almost impossible to find
22:55:39saratogabut the clip+ sometimes goes for around 30 bucks on sale
22:59:09bertrikclip+ is stable, he's looking for not stable target
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23:06:33[Saint]Is there still a desperate need for Android build clients?
23:06:39[Saint]Or, clients in general?
23:06:53[Saint]I can have one up in 30 mins or so if its needed.
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23:08:29Zagormore clients are always welcome. the critical android need is filled for now though.
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23:12:40kugelah' found the issue
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23:24:30amiconnZagor: Perhaps it would be a good idea to make the build master send a message to the client regarding unknown entries in the archlist, together with the helo?
23:24:50Zagoryeah, sound like a good idea
23:26:00amiconnAn a related matter, I wonder how difficult it would be to roll our own toolchain for N900 (using cross compilation) instead of the fiddly scratchbox
23:26:39rocktriangleSo is it possible to seperate songs from albums to listen to them later?
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23:26:57rocktriangleWhile on teh DAP, not the computer.
23:28:32kugelamiconn: i assume
23:29:07rocktriangleCould anyone answer?
23:30:30kugelamiconn: i assume it would be simple
23:30:56kugelct-ng can make it easy at least
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23:42:30[Saint]rocktriangle: sure, make a playlist.
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