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#rockbox log for 2012-06-30

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03:52:59amayergevaerts: ping
04:00:37yuriksamayer: 16bpp color, probably
04:00:46yuriksoops, sorry, I was scrolled wayyy up
04:00:56amayerhaha its all good
04:01:11amayerthats what i was going to say
04:01:36amayerI was reading through the advance manual and found that its 16 colors per pixel
04:02:01amayerwe were trying to figure it out earlier today
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04:03:19yuriksit's actually 16 depth pixels ;)
04:05:33amayerisnt that the same thing?
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04:10:17yuriksamayer: it was a joke, volumetric 3d display :)
04:10:41amayeroh i get it
04:11:26amayeri read it backwards(16 pixel depth) which i misread(mis-asociated) as color depth
04:11:51yuriksis it actually 16 colors per pixel or 16 *bits* color?
04:11:57amayerbut yeah the first time i saw 320x240x16 i was like layers???
04:13:09yurikstime to pull my linux dev vm again... I really don't feel like installing an arm toolchain on cygwin...
04:14:17amayer"320×240×16 with the last number giving the colour depth in bits"
04:14:33yuriksah, bits, that makes more sense
04:14:45yurikswould be unusual for an LCD to have a 16 color palette, I think...
04:15:00yuriks256 colors (8bpp) and 16bpp are common
04:15:25amayerso if i save as "X1 R5 G6 B5" the color depth should be good?
04:15:39yuriksthink so
04:15:53yuriksdoes BMP support other 16-bit formats?
04:16:16amayeryeah but my GIMP doesnt save them right. it saves but then i cant view them
04:17:17amayeri saved as 32bit and it loaded on rockbox so i have no idea. but if 16bit is more compatable then i will just save as 16bit
04:18:16yuriksrockbox probably quantizes it at runtime
04:30:23amayeroh ok.
04:30:55yuriks(note all the "probably"s here. I have little experience with rockbox as a user, and none as a dev :P)
04:35:41amayerhaha alright
04:36:12amayerthe only dev experience i have is fixing a problem with the default theme and making/testing themes
04:37:21yuriksI'm hoping to implement glyph fallback for fonts
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05:04:48amayerthats cool. were you the one talking about it this morning?
05:05:24amayerthese themes can get kinda confusing
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08:13:33amayerI am attempting to make a full theme and was wondering what the "title bar" is called?
08:13:35amayerits right under the status bar, you cant scroll to it, on the main menu it says "Rockbox", everywhere else it tells you where you are.
08:13:37amayerIm wondering how to style that. Ive read the Themes part of the manual, most of the advance tips manual, and the config file manual.
08:13:39amayercan anyone help?
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08:44:44[Saint]amayer: you want a combination of %Li, %Lt, and, drawing the rest of the menu list entirely with the skin engine
08:45:44amayerso if i want to style the "title bar" i have to remake the whole main menu?
08:46:21[Saint]though, iirc, old behaviour should still apply for %Lt (I _think_) and you might not have to re-do the menus with skinned lists (which isn't actually that hard).
08:46:50[Saint]What used to happen is that if %Lt was used then the title automagically wasn't drawn in the UI viewport.
08:47:08[Saint]But I can't say that's definitely the case now.
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08:50:45amayer[Saint]: thanks, im not really looking to remove the title bar, just restyle it(different size/color)
08:50:59amayerthe .sbs file is for the main menu?
08:51:52[Saint]I know you don't want to remove it. And the .sbs is (almost) for every non-WPS/plugin screen.
08:52:35[Saint]But if you want to style it differently you're going to need to put it in its own viewport and draw the text and icon with %Li and %Lt
08:58:33amayeroh. that makes sence. thank you very much.
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09:20:02amayer[Saint_]: is it possable to change the background image on play/pause?
09:20:05amayerIve tried a conditional statment at the begining of the file(where you would normally put the background image)
09:21:15amayerwhen ever i put the background image in an %xl statement then put %xd lower it always displays in the front
09:21:31amayer(aka i cant see anything but the "background image")
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09:24:43[Saint_]You would need to set up two fullscreen conditional viewports, %xl/%xd an image for each, and draw them in the backdrop buffer.
09:25:08[Saint_]Check the manual on drawing in the backdrop buffer.
09:25:34*[Saint_] is currently trying to buy food and play Metal Slug simultaneously
09:25:46amayerhaha, nice
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10:52:28CIA-5Commit 6db53f4 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Handle language change events in widgets.
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10:56:44CIA-56db53f4 build result: All green
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11:35:43*JdGordon WTF's @ fs#12711
11:35:48fs-bluebot Some settings do not work properly from shortcut menu (bugs, unconfirmed)
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12:08:15CIA-5Commit bed847a in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Backup dialog: check if the backup file already exists.
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12:12:37CIA-5bed847a build result: All green
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15:16:06shaprHi, I tried upgrading my clipzip rockbox firmware by unzipping the most recent .zip file in the root directory of my player
15:16:31shaprbut now it will boot up, and not play any music
15:17:26shaprWhat's the right way to upgrade my rockbox firmware?
15:21:07shaprPerhaps I got a broken version of the nightly firmware builds? Is there a known stable version for the clipzip?
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15:32:15n1sthat's usually the right way. there's no stable for the zip
15:32:45n1sthere are older archived dev builds available though
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15:33:28n1sbut what do you mean by not play music?
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15:36:23shaprnls: I mean that it played my flacs and mp3s just fine before, but now it just cycles through the files really quickly, as if it cannot play them.
15:36:42shaprnls: Previously that only happened for files it couldn't play... I assume.
15:36:51shaprnls: Is there a way I can access an error log?
15:38:57n1sthere isn't much of an error log. that is indeed what would happen if it couldn't play them, maybe they have become damadged somehow, do they play with a player on a computer?
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15:39:47shaprThe only change I made was to unzip the new rockbox firmware into the the player
15:39:51shaprthat would seem unlikely to have corrupted 28gb of music :-)
15:40:17shaprOh actually I did copy some of the music to my laptop and play it
15:40:57*shapr tries that again
15:42:28shaprnls: I tried the fm radio, that works, so it is able to produce sound
15:42:47shaprI tried one of the games, that works, so not everything fails
15:42:47n1sit might also be worth checking the filesystem for errors as that's a common cause for problems
15:43:14shaprit seems like firmware problems because everything was working five minutes before I attempted to upgrade the firmware.
15:43:15n1sare you susre you unzipped the updated rockbox completely
15:43:21shaprI am certain.
15:43:57n1sit sounds to me like either it's not able to open the codecs or the files for some reason
15:44:42shaprPreviously I had Version: 2f1da04-120627
15:45:10shaprIs there some way I can download that version of the firmware and try to reinstall that?
15:45:35shapr(I saved my old rockbox-info.txt)
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16:11:20shaprHuh, everything works.
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16:11:26shaprWell that's handy.
16:13:00shaprnls: Thanks much for your help!
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17:54:12PRETTY_FUNCTIONhi all
17:55:36PRETTY_FUNCTIONi'm having a display issue on my iPod nano 2g, with rockbox v3.11.2. I cannot see bottom 3 rows of the display. Any clues?
17:58:26[Saint]When you say "with rockbox v3.11.2", does this imply that prior versions, or latter versions, do not have this issue?
17:58:52gevaertsThere is no v3.11.2 for the nano2g
17:59:04[Saint]Aha, good point.
17:59:35PRETTY_FUNCTIONThe rockbox utility installed 3.11.2
17:59:52PRETTY_FUNCTIONI uninstalled it and tried 3.10 stable
17:59:59PRETTY_FUNCTIONbut no change
18:00:02[Saint]I'd be a little surprised if it did.
18:00:08gevaertsI can promise you it didn't
18:00:28PRETTY_FUNCTIONit did :(
18:00:44PRETTY_FUNCTIONi'm on a Mac, if it makes any difference
18:00:47[Saint]PRETTY_FUNCTION: it really didn't.
18:01:03[Saint]Double check the installed version.
18:01:24PRETTY_FUNCTIONit is 3.10 now, I downloaded and installed it manually
18:02:31[Saint]Well, regardless. It never installed 3.11.2, but, that's likely just a misunderstanding.
18:03:15PRETTY_FUNCTIONumm, in the sense?
18:03:27[Saint]"in the sense that you're wrong"
18:03:35PRETTY_FUNCTIONabout 3.10?
18:04:50[Saint]No, 3.11.2, the version I explicitly mentioned.
18:05:29gevaertsAnyway, I'm not sure what you mean by "bottom 3 rows of the display". You mean rows of pixels?
18:05:49PRETTY_FUNCTIONhang on, i'll upload a pic..
18:09:49gevaertsThat looks like a hardware issue to me. Does the original firmware work?
18:10:32PRETTY_FUNCTIONin rockbox, only a part of the display is rendered
18:11:08PRETTY_FUNCTIONi can sometimes only see the Apple boot logo below/behind it
18:11:29PRETTY_FUNCTION*also see the...
18:17:01gevaertsI've never heard of anything like this before. I guess it *could* be some sort of timing issue in the lcd driver, but I'm not a specialist at all in that area
18:18:10PRETTY_FUNCTIONhmm, I also searched in the forums, but no one has any issue like this. I guess my iPod is a bust
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18:23:25user890104why aren't development builds for ipod6g included in rockbox utility, so people can update their build easier?
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18:28:09user890104and why can't i uninstall the rockbox bootloader using rockboxutility on nano2g?
18:29:09user890104Uninstalling bootloader
18:29:09user890104Unknown version number in firmware (0)
18:30:20[Saint]Does RBUtil include *any* unusable targets?
18:30:27*[Saint] didn't think so...
18:31:06[Saint]Fix some bugs, get it to unstable, you'll get your RBUtil support then.
18:32:46[Saint]the ipodpatcher issue is a weird one, I can't test it out presently though.
18:33:02user890104[Saint]: with "show disabled targets" checked, sansa m200v4 is listed, and it's unusable
18:33:16[Saint]user890104: can you see if compiling ipodpatcher and uninstalling manually "just works", or if its solely an RBUtil issue?
18:33:46user890104[Saint]: attempting to uninstall the BL for a second time crashes the utility
18:34:00user890104ok, i'm going to try the good ol' ipodpatcher then
18:34:46[Saint]Oh....hmmmm...well, I'll be.
18:35:14[Saint]I didn't think any unusable targets were able to be installed via RBUtil.
18:35:30[Saint]"Everything I ever knew is a lie!"
18:38:25user890104uhm .. ipod6g is listed in the release-candidate section of build-info, but not in the status section above
18:38:51user890104so rbutil actually knows where it can get a build for it, but it doesn't know about it as a possbile target
18:38:58[Saint]I think those were perhaps the "fake RC" builds.
18:39:10[Saint]to test building RCs on command with the build system.
18:39:12user890104ah, i missed that probably
18:40:51user890104well, since development builds of ipod6g are actually being build, i think that including that target in the build-info list isn't going to hurt anyone
18:41:15[Saint]I don't believe they are actually being built.
18:41:33user890104the ipod6g one is being build for sure
18:42:01[Saint]whoops, derp. I mentally replaced development with RC.
18:43:47[Saint]The Classic is a bit of an edge case, it seems a little weird to be able to use a tool from Rockbox to upgrade a player it can't install the initial build on, when you've clearly used a non-Rockbox tool to get Rockbox to boot in the first place :)
18:44:08user890104so, "show disabled targets" actually hides/shows unusable builds
18:44:35user890104well, you're right but it can help you install fonts and themes, and to update the current build
18:44:42[Saint]If the bloody thing had ipodpatcher could /probably/ go to unstable.
18:45:33user890104and also voice files, game files (does doom even run on these?), etc.
18:46:16user890104ah, doom doesn't run yet, just shows "plugin returned error"
18:46:56user890104but all ipodvideo themes should fit fine
18:46:58[Saint]Oh, I agree it would be useful. But I also think the "half support" will confuse the almighty s**t out of some people.
18:48:31user890104it's not my choice, i'm just making a suggestion so people with access to the build-info script can decide if it's worth including ipod6g
18:48:40user890104half-support is better than no-support :)
18:48:49[Saint]Not necessarily.
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18:50:32[Saint]If "Mr Someone" sat down and got a bootloader functional, and ipodpatcher support...there could be full support :)
18:50:58user890104ah, exactly what i was going to write
18:52:17user890104but providing some partial rbutil support until we find mr. someone sounds like a good move for me
18:53:09[Saint]Those that got through the installation should have no problem downloading and extracting a few archives.
18:53:45user890104of course, but it would make their further updating and adding stuff easier
18:53:55user890104for example, installing a bunch of themes
18:54:03[Saint]And if they find upgrading an issue, that's kinda freemyipod's fault.
18:54:22bluebrother[Saint]: Rockbox Utility includes (partial) support for some unusable targets
18:54:35user890104i'm talking about rockbox updating, on a filesystem level
18:54:38[Saint]bluebrother: Yes, one, as I just found out :)
18:54:50bluebrotherthis support is disabled though, which means you need to explicitly enable it and during that click a warning away
18:55:09bluebrotherand Rockbox Utility can uninstall the Rockbox bootloader on nano2g
18:55:33user890104bluebrother: i've done that before, but it failed now
18:55:37user890104i'm going to try again
18:55:48bluebrotherdo you have permissions for raw disk access?
18:55:57bluebrotheri.e. running as root / administrator?
18:56:10user890104yeah, i'm on windows 7 x64 and running as administrator
18:56:30bluebrotherdid you also try the "run as administrator"? ;-)
18:56:33user890104it succeeded installing the BL, but fails to uninstall it
18:56:41bluebrotherhmm, that sounds strange.
18:56:47user890104it is listed in the Info tab
18:57:27bluebrotherjust because it is listed doen't tell you you're running Rockbox Utility with the correct permissions this time :)
18:57:28user890104the other strange thing is, that the ipod was using the stock bootloader before installing, and rbutil said "bootloader installed, do you want to reinstall?"
18:58:07bluebrotherare you using Rockbox USB mode or EDM?
18:58:19user890104it asks for permissions as soon as it's run, and i select Yes
18:58:28user890104uhm, what's EDM?
18:58:34bluebrotherEmergency Disk Mode
18:59:07user890104i'm using apple's disk mode, because of the usb issues in the latest rb releases
18:59:20user890104so basicly running apple's firmware (not disk mode)
19:00:02*bluebrother goes for the machine running w7
19:00:05[Saint]I know what you mean, but, shit that's confusing ;)
19:00:30[Saint]Its still disk mode :) Its just not emergency disk mode.
19:00:37user890104ah, it sounds confusing indeed
19:00:56*bluebrother blames the weather and Windows
19:01:10user890104does "disk mode of the OF" sound better?
19:01:19bluebrotherit sounds longer :)
19:01:41*[Saint] agrees.
19:01:58user890104 here's the log in case it's needed
19:01:59bluebrotherhmm, plugges the Ipod to the Windows machine and it asks to repair the filesystem. oO
19:02:58user890104also, rbutil crashes after closing
19:03:07user890104*closing the main window
19:04:19bluebrotherhmm, interesting
19:04:28*bluebrother can reproduce the uninstallation issue
19:04:52bluebrotherhowever, installing the bootloader fails unless I start Rockbox Utility using RMB -> run as Administrator
19:05:11bluebrothereven though I'm reported to be Administrator without doing so
19:05:20bluebrotherwhich doesn't surprise me too much
19:05:38bluebrothermaybe that's a 64bit issue
19:06:51CIA-5Commit 052b5f1 in rockbox by Andrew Ryabinin: hm60x: Add support for HM-601 slims with new lcds.
19:07:31user890104bluebrother: i have UAC turned on, i don't use rmb->run as administrator, windows prompts me for permissions instead
19:07:51user890104i accept that, and rbutil is supposed to run with administrative permissions
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19:08:42user890104rbutil and ipodpatcher are both marked with the small shield icon overlay, because windows finds out (somehow) that they're going to need admin permissions
19:09:04CIA-5052b5f1 build result: All green
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19:09:38user890104ah, there's an xml manifest in both binaries, that's how it knows
19:09:51user890104<requestedExecutionLevel level="requireAdministrator"/>
19:10:43user890104[Saint]: as you suggested, ipodpatcher uninstalls the BL just fine
19:10:59[Saint]good to know.
19:11:27[Saint]No one has touched that code for yonks, so, I kinda thought it might be an RBUtil problem.
19:11:50user890104ah, here it goes again. the bl is uninstalled, i can confirm that, but rbutil warns me that there's a bl installed, and asks me if i want to reinstall it
19:12:04user890104if i choose no, rbutil crashes
19:13:09bluebrotherhmm, doesn't work on xp 32bit either
19:13:28user890104i have a debugger, but i don't understand x86 assembly, only a bit of avr and asm
19:15:28bluebrotherok, something must be broken in the integration code.
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19:16:26*[Saint] read "interrogation" and was about to suggest a nicer approach.
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19:21:36bluebrotherhmm. Same issue appears on Linux 64bit
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19:22:46user890104so it's not platform-related?
19:23:33bluebrother[Saint_]: perform an interrogation with the code? ;-)
19:23:45bluebrotherdoesn't look so
19:24:07bluebrotherwhich is a good thing since it's easier to reproduce. And a bad thing since it affects more users
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19:27:46bluebrothermaybe the easiest is to simply declare uninstalling Rockbox as unsupported ;-)
19:28:26[Saint]Heh :)
19:28:46*bluebrother goes doing so :P
19:29:02bluebrotherso let's try if uninstalling works on other Ipods ...
19:29:44*bluebrother needs more Ipods :)
19:30:37*user890104 doesn't have any other supported target, only n2g, n3g, n4g and ipod6g
19:30:46[Saint]You should implement a reporting feature that logs IPs and other details of those uninstalling, so we can scowl at them ;)
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19:32:27bluebrotherworks fine on mini2g.
19:32:50bluebrotherso I guess this is a nano2g issue, since that is somewhat different (like requiring an encrypted bootloader and stuff
19:33:10user890104bluebrother: is there a way to enable more verbose logging in rbutil?
19:33:55bluebrotheruser890104: no, the system trace is all that's logged
19:34:05[Saint]Encryption shouldn't be the issue, we just pull a known good bootloader which is already encrypted.
19:34:42[Saint]We can't encrypt on the device, as then you couldn't perform an initial install.
19:35:00[Saint]Chicken/Egg scenario.
19:35:11bluebrother[Saint]: the thing is not that the bootloader needs to be encrypted. The thing is that the nano2g is different :)
19:35:43bluebrotherand the bootloader encryption is done on the device (but only once, so only the one publishing the nano2g bootloader needs to do that)
19:38:43user890104bluebrother: can you check the other case, when you select Install, then select No on the "reinstall bootloader" dialog?
19:38:47user890104it crashes here
19:43:57bluebrotherno crash here, but that's with git HEAD
19:44:07bluebrotherat least on Linux
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19:46:14bluebrotherneed to look into this more detailed later
19:46:24bluebrotherat least we now have a known bug :(
19:47:39user890104that nano2g is weird - rolo got broken first, then usb, now rbutil support
19:49:16[Saint]About the same time [7] got the Classic :-)
19:50:16user890104i think he fixed rolo once or twice, but somehow it got broken again
19:50:24user890104(on n2g)
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20:01:52smallfishLowercase accented/special characters seem to be missing from the font in my Clip Zip theme, how can I fix this?
20:02:21[Saint]Use a font that includes those characters.
20:02:37[Saint]This may include building your own font.
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20:04:14[Saint](And may additionally include editing the theme also)
20:05:04smallfishEditing the font it already uses seemed like the best idea, but when I looked at font editors, none of the ones I tried would load the .fnt's.
20:05:24[Saint]No, no, that's a very bad idea.
20:05:38[Saint]You don't want to edit the existing font at all.
20:06:20[Saint]Not only would it take an age, you'd first need to build a tool to allow you to do so.
20:06:46smallfishOkay, well then sure, that's out I guess.
20:07:48[Saint]If the font theme you're using can support a 16px font, use 16 GNU Unifont
20:09:52[Saint]If not, you'll have to find a font which supports the characters you require and generate an .fnt from it yourself using convbdf or convttf (which you'll need to build from source)
20:09:53smallfishWell, I can only see a word and a half at a time, and it only changes the Rockbox menus... I meant the Now Playing screen
20:10:46*[Saint] points to −−> (And may additionally include editing the theme also)
20:11:25[Saint]Your theme is hardcoding a font for the WPS, you need to change this.
20:12:00[Saint]The manual can assist you with theme syntax.
20:12:50smallfishLooking at that now
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20:29:44smallfishHooray, it worked! And I learned something! Thank you, Saint!
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21:33:20[7]user890104: rolo breakage usually means that something that's required during the last stage isn't in iram
21:33:31[7]to verify, try rolo'ing the exact same rockbox binary
21:33:42[7]it should work just fine in this case if my theory is correct
21:34:01[7]another theory would be cache coherency bugs, but that's rather unlikely to get broken, and would also result in plugin breakage
21:34:05[7]how can rbutil break?
21:37:07*pamaury found a nasty error in the freescale headers of the imx233
21:37:15user890104[7]: see it for yourself
21:37:34user890104i found two reproducible cases of crashing so far
21:38:38[7]user890104: what kind of crashing?
21:39:30[7]ah, that was referring to rbutil?
21:39:43[7]hm, c0000005
21:39:54[7]which is access violation (segfault)
21:40:19user890104null pointer probably?
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21:42:31[7]or a buffer overflow
21:42:38[7]could be anything
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