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#rockbox log for 2012-07-01

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01:06:32PwnsomeWinhas there been any work done on creative zen players?
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01:33:43pamaurymouaaaaa, it's so nice when things work. Nothing better than decrypting a firmware using the on-device DCP without ever knwing what is the AES key :)
01:37:35[Saint]Kinda makes you wonder why they bother.
01:55:09pamaurybecause it's not exactly trivial to write custom code that will run on the device, the firmware itself is encrypt with another key but someone figured out the key long ago (it was probably plain written in the updater ^^)
01:55:33pamaurybut yeah, doesn't really make sense
01:55:57pamauryactually, I don't even need to be able to decrypt it to do the port but hey!
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03:05:14pamaurylol, creative forgot to protect the OTP
03:05:26pamauryso now I have the key \o/
03:05:57pamaurydon't know if I can release it
03:07:57pamaurycontrary to all creative keys, it's not made up of characters :(
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09:42:00PRETTY_FUNCTIONhow to stop the peak meter display? I can't access menus because a part of my display is not visible. So what config option should I use?
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10:56:34bluebrotherok, so the nano2g not uninstalling is an easy fix.
10:56:57bluebrotherthe wrong recognition of the bootloader is a bit more work
10:57:13bluebrotherturns out that this both is related to the bootloader handling on nano2g being different
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12:35:24CIA-5Commit a455f59 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Fix nano2g bootloader uninstallation.
12:35:24CIA-5Commit d8f5a00 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Install widget: fallback to development build.
12:35:25CIA-5Commit bf1c491 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Move check for existing bootloader to ipodpatcher.
12:35:26DBUGEnqueued KICK CIA-5
12:35:26CIA-5Commit d0f7a81 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Be more specific on bootloader uninstallation errors.
12:35:51pamaurywhat is our policy wrt to key in firmwares ? I dumped the one of the zen x-fi bootloader, what should I do with it ?
12:37:46CIA-5d0f7a81 build result: All green
12:38:12bluebrotherdo we need it?
12:40:12pamaurynot really, but it can still be interesting
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12:40:40pamaurylet's say of the sake of documentation and showing that we are too strong for them ;)
12:41:02n1sheh, maybe put it in the wiki?
12:42:49bluebrotherhmm. Is this really a good idea?
12:43:35bluebrotherRockbox got a decease and resist letter for "violating" copyright with that jewels plugin, so I'm not sure if we should publish such a key
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12:43:57pamaurythe zenutils already contains all the keys for all the zen players, all the *useful* keys I would say
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12:44:46n1sbluebrother: some of the bootloader scramblers have lots of keys, like for mi4 targets
12:44:56bluebrothermaybe discuss this on the ML first?
12:45:39pamauryI'll send a mail
12:46:22bluebrotherwell, I guess I'll let the people responsible decide :)
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15:25:40user890104bluebrother: thanks for fixing the rockbox utility, is there a development build of the most recent revision?
15:38:34bluebrotheruser890104: not yet, I have to make one first :)
15:39:18CIA-5Commit b793159 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Handle no selected themes properly.
15:39:18CIA-5Commit e7fdf80 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Do some minor cleanup.
15:39:51bluebrotherI'll try to get around doing that later today
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15:41:12CIA-5e7fdf80 build result: All green
15:45:05user890104ok, great
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16:08:23pamauryhaha, some cool stats: the imx233 has 1026 registers, not counting the SET/CLR/TOG variants
16:11:44pamauryand is has 4132 documented fields in those registers!
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17:08:09pamaurybertrik: ping
17:16:16pamaurybertrik: did you use the zen x-fi 3 ? did you encounter any bug ? I think we should promote it to unstable and add support in rbutil. It's basically similar to the fuze+ so the amount of work is small (except for the manual perhaps and the plugins)
17:16:48pamaurythe radio and the speaker are blockers for stable but it's better than nothing
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17:32:16bertrikpamaury, I haven't really used it for day-to-day playback yet
17:32:32bertrikwe did fix a couple of bugs since devcon
17:32:45bertrikI guess I should use it more to get a feeling for stability
17:38:49gevaertsI'm not sure that's relevant for unstable
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17:42:57n1snot supporting non-essential hardware features usually isn't a blocker fro stable
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18:03:53pamaurywell yeah, anyway, I would like to have rbutil support for it :)
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18:18:26biptonhas anyone tried rb on the new slim hm-601 since the commit on june 23rd?
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18:42:30bertrikdo we have a list of criteria for stable somewhere?
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18:43:13gevaertsmanual available, installable by rockbox utility (except for old ports that predate the stable classification), porters think it's ready
18:43:57gevaertsIIRC that's it
18:45:12gevaertsI believe we discussed the three-layer system at devcon2008. There was some discussion about required functionality, but I can't remember what the decision on that was
18:48:28bluebrotherbertrik: I want to get a new version of Rockbox Utility done soon. So if someone wants to add support for another player now is the time to do it :)
18:48:39bluebrotherpamaury: ^^
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18:49:04bertrikbluebrother, I think the clip zip is already in there as "experimental" (or similar), right?
18:49:46bluebrotherclip zip is unstable
18:50:03bluebrotherand not disabled in Rockbox Utility, so no work needed for that.
18:50:13bluebrotherthough pamaury was talking abou x-fi 3 earlier
18:50:47bluebrotherhmm, the x-fi doesn't appear on the frontpage
18:51:41bluebrotherdoesn't seem to be in the build system either. Or I'm looking the wrong way :)
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19:01:19user890104bluebrother: i asked yesterday if including support for uploading a rockbox build to an ipod classic is a good idea - just the ability to install (and update to) development builds (, fonts and themes (and maybe voice files) would be enough for now (until there's a rockbox bootloader available)
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19:02:03user890104it can be detected by its usb ids 05ac:1261
19:02:40bluebrotheruser890104: you're following the development?;a=commit;h=8cc46fb01cc86c25e580400b6c2d6cc38665843d
19:03:07user890104ah, i missed that, sorry
19:03:22bluebrotheroh, but that missed removing it from the list of incompatible players :)
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19:05:03bluebrotherhmm, if I remove it from the list of incompatible players but it's now considered a disabled target, what happens if a user tries to detect it without support for disabled targets being enabled?
19:06:48user890104there are a couple of "unusable" players in the list that only show up when disabled targets are shown, what happens if someone tries to detect them, having that chechbox unmaked?
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19:29:01CIA-5Commit c3a2b20 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Remove Ipod Classic from list of unsupported targets.
19:29:02CIA-5Commit 644b83e in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Add version information to Windows file properties.
19:29:26bluebrotheruser890104: well, that's the question :)
19:29:56bluebrotherideally Rockbox Utility will tell that the player found is disabled because support in Rockbox Utility is considered for developers only
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19:31:03CIA-5644b83e build result: All green
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19:50:24pamaurybluebrother: no, it's not in the build system either, that's part of the work to be done too
19:53:40bluebrotheruser890104: development binaries updated
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20:04:20user890104bluebrother: thanks, where do i get them?
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20:07:42user890104i think i found them here:
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20:13:22user890104bluebrother: it list my ipod6g as Ipod Classic (6th gen) (Unknown), shouldn't it be (Unusable) instead?
20:13:33user890104i guess this has something to do with build-info
20:15:29bluebrotheryes. If the server doesn't tell about the state its unknown :)
20:16:10user890104there's also this warning:
20:17:24user890104do you need the log?
20:17:48bluebrotherhmm. Sounds like the contents of rockbox-info.txt of the old installation is somewhat wrong
20:17:56bluebrotherrockbox-info.txt is more interesting in this case
20:18:20bluebrothersince that is what is checked against the selection
20:22:19user890104i'm going to delete the whole .rockbox folder and attempt a reinstall
20:22:37bluebrotherrockbox-info.txt calls it ipod6g, while Rockbox Utility calls it ipodclassic
20:23:23bluebrotherok, so the target name used by Rockbox Utility is wrong.
20:24:00bluebrotherbut the download file uses ipodclassic
20:25:31user890104uhm... hitting Autodetect crashed rbutil
20:25:37bluebrotherthat's ugly but since the classic is unusable changing that string won't do too much harm
20:25:44bluebrotherurgh. That shouldn't happen
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20:26:02*bluebrother needs to get around to the planned autodetect rework
20:28:40user890104also, a small glitch: the disabled "bootloader" checkbox is checked
20:28:58user890104i think that it should be disabled & unchecked :)
20:29:37user890104uhm, hitting Install tells me: No install method known
20:29:53user890104that's on a classic, with no .rockbox folder on the disk
20:30:19bluebrotherI guess that's because the bootloader box is checked
20:30:30user890104yeah, makes sense
20:30:44bluebrotherand since there is no .rockbox folder on the player it assumes that you want to install the bootloader :)
20:30:52bluebrotherwhich you obviously can't
20:31:11user890104i have a bootloader, but not on the disk :)
20:31:15bluebrotherwell, some more glitches :)
20:31:54user890104the overall installation process is working, apart from these
20:34:00amiconnIf we'd require all hardware features to be usable for stable, neither the H300 nor the X5 would be stable
20:35:36amiconn(missing usb host support)
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20:36:44gevaertsamiconn: true. IIRC the proposed compromise was every feature we have support for in general
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20:48:00bluebrothergevaerts: why is the nano6g named ipodclassic in the build system output?
20:48:56gevaertsno idea
20:49:39bluebrotherhow much will break if I simply change the output name?
20:49:48bluebrotheri.e. s/ipodclassic/ipod6g/
20:51:12gevaertsLinks will break. I don't know how many
20:51:31gevaertsPossibly one or two on our wiki, and a few on freemyipod
20:52:23gevaertsActually, maybe they won't break right away. The old file probably won't be removed automatrically
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20:54:55bluebrothernot too much of a problem I guess
20:55:25*gevaerts nods
20:56:14*bluebrother will look into that later
20:56:26bluebrotherbut getting a new inconsisteny in here is not a good thing
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20:58:11gevaerts I'll just change it
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20:59:08gevaertsDo you need to update stuff fotr that?
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21:02:32CIA-5Commit 8f8fcde in www by Frank Gevaerts: Rename the ipodclassic build to ipod6g for consistency.
21:04:19gevaertsNow all we need is a commit to get a new build :)
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21:08:02CIA-5Commit 2b3cff8 in rockbox by Frank Gevaerts: Add the ipod 6g (classic) to
21:09:22CIA-5Commit e3cddc2 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Fix Ipod Classic target name.
21:09:48CIA-52b3cff8 build result: All green
21:11:56CIA-5e3cddc2 build result: All green
21:15:08gevaertsBagder: can you remove from the dev build download directory? That one won't be update any more, and I think breaking old links is better than giving people old binaries
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