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#rockbox log for 2012-07-02

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00:36:27saratogabluebrother: the uninstall process for the Sansa AMS players requires you to reboot into the Sandisk firmware after hitting uninstall in rockbox utility, would it be possible to alert users to this?
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02:15:36amayeri read in the irc log that RB is removing iClassic dev build and moving it to iPod 6G(for naming reasons) but i dont see iPod 6G in the project builds download table
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02:15:52amayerquestion: where can i download new builds for my iPod Classic?
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02:20:29[Saint]for what its worth, there *is* a reason these builds aren't public ;)
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02:22:01amayeri understand. but seeing as i have a classic there isnt much else i could use.
02:22:03amayeri was looking at that page and it doesnt say ipod classic on the extended table.
02:22:08[Saint]Oh...that's, interesting.
02:22:46amayerwait i found it. its first in the extended table and on the short(?) table its mixed in
02:22:46[Saint]amayer: its basically expected that if you're using an unusable target, that you build it yourslef.
02:23:36*[Saint] is confused...
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02:23:56*gevaerts is happy to see that people who want to know about the Ipod Classic port always look at the IpodClassicPort wiki page...
02:23:59[Saint]there haven't been that many builds run since the name change, and it _should_ be a brand new target.
02:24:28[Saint]well "new target".
02:24:28gevaertsSeriously though, what exactly is confusing here?
02:24:56[Saint]the fact that iPod Classic is listed...and, not listed in any form of order?
02:25:11[Saint]I thought it was iPod6G now.
02:25:32gevaertsSure it is. On dev.cgi it's listed between Ipod 4G and Ipod Color
02:25:48gevaertsWhich, if my knowledge of the alphabet isn't confused, is where I'd expect it
02:26:07[Saint]its not on the page I'm looking at...
02:26:37gevaertsThen you're not looking at the page it's on :)
02:26:58amayerwhen i look at it in chromium(linux) ipod classic appears first and there is no ipod 6G
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02:27:08amayer(in the exteded table)
02:27:17[Saint]for me, there's "iPod Classic" first on the list, and no "iPod6G" anywhere
02:27:24gevaertsThe internal name of the build (which gets used in the filename) was changed
02:27:29gevaertsThe *label* was not
02:27:51amayeripod classic shows up twice on the short list
02:28:13gevaertsThe old one will show up until it falls off the list
02:28:27[Saint]gevaerts: that's more than /slightly/ confusing ;)
02:28:46gevaerts[Saint]: How is it? Why does anyone even care?
02:28:54[Saint]Considering the fact that to most of the public "Classic" means "all iPods" now. :-S
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02:30:10[Saint]It sure tricked me, afaik, the "iPod Classic" naming scheme was ditched for 'iPod6G", not seeing that in the list anywhere was a bit puzzling.
02:30:39[Saint]this is a list that the public shouldn't care about though, so...there is that.
02:30:47gevaertsWhen dev.cgi starts being meant for "most of the public", you'll have a point
02:31:54gevaertsAnd no, the "classic" naming scheme was not ditched for "ipod6g". The filename produced by the build system was brought in sync with the naming used in configure
02:32:01gevaertsNothing more, nothing less
02:32:27amayerill just use the link from the wiki page. i was just curious why it wasnt on the dev page
02:32:56gevaertsWhy what wasn't on the dev page? Everything is still there...
02:34:49amayeri was looking at the expanded view and ipod classic wasnt in alpha order
02:35:03amayerbut the links are still there(as we discovered)
02:35:08*gevaerts wants to see a screenshot
02:35:51amayercan you recomend a photo paste server?
02:36:03[Saint]Google can
02:36:23gevaertsThe old one is on the left out of order, yes
02:37:03gevaertsBut that will be gone soon, and the "new" one is in the place where the old one used to be
02:37:33[Saint](which probably wasn't immediately obvious without clicking to expand the table)
02:38:22*gevaerts would like to point out that that table's purpose is to check build issues, not to find builds
02:39:18amayerok. i was misusing the table then. i would get the current build for my classic from there
02:39:29amayer(after checking the build number)
02:39:47gevaertsYou *can* use it for that
02:40:13gevaertsIt just isn't the most handy place
02:40:54[Saint]Its not like there's another, though :) (short of BYO)
02:40:57gevaertsIpodClassicPort is probably easier, if you can't just remember or bookmark the download url
02:41:20[Saint]Ah, crap. Forgot the wiki...derp.
02:42:02gevaertsAlthough we would of course prefer it if you make a dedicated bootloader so we can get it to unstable, after which the regular build table will work :)
02:42:50gevaertsAnd of course, don't forget that the inconsistency was fixed so the next Rockbox Utility will be able to get the build for you
02:42:57amayerwith the download link if you want to check if there is a new build you have to download > extract > open rockbox-info.txt > match against old build number
02:42:59amayeron the build page the number is right there so if you already have to build you dont have to waste time
02:43:31[Saint]...come again?
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02:43:59[Saint]with the download link, you download it, its the current build.
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02:44:40gevaertsThere's no good reason to update more than once per day, so the likelyhood of there being a new build when you feel like updating is high enough not to bother checking I'd say :)
02:46:52amayerhaha oh ok.
02:47:10amayeri wasnt sure how often builds come out. i would just check the number and download
02:47:37amayerseeing as they are dev builds i guess they would come out pretty often(assuming your not all busy)
02:48:05gevaertsThere's a build for every commit
02:48:54[Saint]There is? I didn't think that was the case these days?
02:50:04[Saint]I seem to recall someone mentioning that its possible for multiple commits on sequence to not trigger a build for each.
02:50:12[Saint]*in sequence
02:50:23gevaertsWell yes, there are exceptions like that. There always were
02:51:27gevaertsEven in the svn days, if several commits were done before the previous build had ended, only the latest one was built
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02:52:01gevaertsThat's all nitpicking though. We were talking about how often new dev builds appear
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03:23:22amayerif im making a theme is there like 4 or 5 resolutions i can cover to make the theme widely available? or is every device a different resolution
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03:24:51[Saint_]If those devices have different resolutions, they need a theme each.
03:25:16[Saint_]If they're all the will just work.
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03:25:25amayerI understand. but is there a page with all the resolutions listed on it?
03:30:51[Saint_]Not as such, no.
03:31:01[Saint_]Google can help.
03:32:15amayerif i compile a list of screen resolutions should i post it somewhere in the wiki?
03:34:06[Saint]No one will stop you...
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03:35:27[Saint]It likely wouldn't be too difficult to just grep the source for the resolution of each target. Just depends how quick your google/grep skills are as to which works out best.
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18:34:20Radjananyone I can talk to about UNBRICKIN SANSA CLIP+
18:36:03Radjananyone I can talk to about UNBRICKING SANSA CLIP+ ????
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18:56:39megal0maniacRadjan: Hi
18:56:47megal0maniacWhat have you tried so far?
18:59:48Radjanif you have a minute i will tell you what happened
19:00:52Radjanfirst the clip + was extracted from a pc and the thing crashed... I resetted it by holding on to the power button for 30 seconds and everything worked fine...
19:01:43Radjanthen I tried copying files to the mp3, with no success... so i tried a factory reset in the settings menu...
19:02:34Radjanbut this jammed the player so I did another reset holding on to the power button for 30 seconds... and I think it was reinstalling the OF while I resetted it...
19:02:53Radjannow it does not boot at all, only sometimes says SANSA and gets stuck on the flower...
19:03:53Radjanin some pcs it gets read as a USB drive of 0MB
19:04:14RadjanI cannot format it not even in Linux...
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19:06:42megal0maniacIs rockbox installed?
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19:06:47megal0maniacOr only OF?
19:07:25Radjansorry my window got closed...
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19:07:39Radjancould you repeat your question megal0maniac
19:07:43megal0maniacIs rockbox installed, or only the OF?
19:08:24Radjanonly the OF
19:08:49Radjani am afraid the last reset must have corrupted the OF or maybe damaged the flash memory...
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19:10:19megal0maniacIt's possible. The Clip+ does have a recovery mode, which should work, but you need to open the player and short out 2 contacts. I'd exhaust every other possibility before trying this.
19:10:31megal0maniacWhat happens when you connect it while the player is off?
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19:11:55Radjanif the player is off, i get a usb drive of 0MB and cannot be formatted
19:12:23Radjanonce every so and so, i am able to turn it on but it does not pass the flower stage...
19:12:57Radjanmy question is, if i open it, and enter recovery mode by shorting 2 contacts... what access do i gain?
19:13:17gevaertsIs it still under warranty?
19:13:20Radjando i access the 30MB of flash for the OF, or do I have to repartition and reformat the drvie
19:13:49RadjanI don't think so, since I am in Argentina, and I don't think there is a representative
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19:14:04megal0maniacWhen did you purchase it?
19:14:54Radjanactually about 3 months ago... it should be under warranty but I have no problem opening it..
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19:16:24gevaertsOpening it and shortening the pins should allow you to flash the OF I think (I've never done this myself...), but that's not 100% guaranteed to work, and I'm pretty sure opening it voids the warranty
19:16:45Radjanok, i understand that... thanks for the info
19:16:52megal0maniacI'd send it back. Sandisk are actually pretty helpful with this stuff. Open a support ticket on the website. You'll probably need to send it to the Czech Republic like I did, but once they received it, I had a brand new player in less than a week.
19:17:03Radjanone question: what happens to the flash drive when shortening the pins?
19:17:15Radjannow i think i see the flash memory but cannot format it
19:17:37megal0maniacIt changes the bootloader mode so you can access the entire flash memory, including the part where the firmware resides
19:18:08Radjanok, so no when i see it as a 0MB usb memory it does not let me format it because it is somehow protected?
19:18:23megal0maniacYour chances are far better with sending it back, Sandisk was very helpful. They even sent my $70 player back to me with $30 shipping :)
19:18:32megal0maniacI'm not sure, to be honest.
19:18:51Radjanbut with the change in the bootloader i will be able to access the memory and write my new OF?
19:19:15megal0maniacCould even be that the flash memory is faulty, which means that even in recovery mode you won't be able to access anything
19:19:54megal0maniacYou're welcome to take the chance, but I strongly suggest you send it to Sandisk. You don't even need proof of purchase.
19:20:40megal0maniacAnd they'll send you a brand new one. As gevaerts said, it isn't 100% guaranteed to work.
19:20:40Radjanreally? if it is still under warranty? and how long is the original warranty?
19:20:47megal0maniac1 year minimum
19:21:01Radjanoh great! I will definately try that first,
19:21:09megal0maniacThey're super helpful
19:21:30Radjanit is actually a friend of mine's so I will ask him for the warranty papers, and try to send it back and see what happens
19:21:54Radjanit will be better than taking it apart... i guess
19:22:23megal0maniacYou're guaranteed a working player at the end of the day if you go that route
19:23:00megal0maniacI had no warranty papers, since I bought mine on vacation and didn't think I'd need them. Just had a broken player and an approximate date of purchase.
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19:24:27Radjanand you send it to them and got a new one by mail?
19:24:34megal0maniac3 working days between receipt in the Czech Republic and me having a courier at my door. Customs and tax was taken care of too
19:24:57Radjanthat is amazing! and what did you do, contact them before sending it?
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19:29:19megal0maniacExactly. Chatted to live support, who stopped talking to me when they found out I wasn't from the US, but gave me a reference number so I didn't have to repeat everything when I called. Very efficient
19:29:49megal0maniacThen was told to send it in and email them the tracking number
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20:01:44saratogaNote: Unlike the Auto Update function, Update Now will update the database regardless of whether the Directory Cache is enabled.
20:01:49saratogadoes autoupdate require dircache?
20:01:55saratogaif so this should probably be mentioned in the manual
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20:18:49Horschthello there, yockels
20:20:29HorschtNot directly rockbox, but somehow related: how do you guys add replaygain data to MP3s? I tried using mp3gain but rockbox wont use the "track analysis" or "album analysis" information
20:23:19saratogaIIRC mp3gain actually changes the mp3 bitstream, it doesn't add the id3 replaygain tags
20:23:34saratogai usually use foobar2000, but most other replaygain aware apps will work as well
20:23:55Horschtit has 2 modes, changing the bitstream ("applying" changes) and analysis.
20:23:56*bluebrother uses vorbisgain
20:24:06Horschtanalysis will add APE taggs, though
20:24:07bluebrotherthough that doesn't work for mp3 files (unsurprisingly :)
20:24:16Horschtbut i'll try foobar :-)
20:24:26bluebrotherif you're on Windows use foobar.
20:24:56Horschti am on windows so I shall use foobar
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20:32:16AlexPHorscht: I use foobar under wine on linux to do it :)
20:32:43Horschtand just to verify, this adds taggs rockbox can work with, correct?
20:32:59Horschtallthough I would guess it's safe to assume so
20:33:04AlexPIt should anyway :)
20:34:05saratogapretty much anything will I think
20:34:13saratogajust not mp3gain since it hasn't been updated in like a decade
20:34:25saratogaand predates the existence of replaygain aware software
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20:37:18Horschtwell, up until yesterday I liked having the changes applied permanetly, so mp3gain did the job well :)
20:37:47megal0maniacWhat happened yesterday?
20:38:11Horschtaliens probed me
20:38:30Horschtno, I started playing "Beat Hazzard" and music was just to silent
20:38:51Horschtso I noticed that there are times when I need my music collection to be "unaltered"
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20:42:17megal0maniacAny change to an audio stream is "degrading," so I stick with analysis.
20:42:21megal0maniacOr I do without it
20:45:14saratogamegal0maniac: as implemented by mp3gain, the effect is lossless, and so not degrading
20:46:06saratogaits fairly silly to assume that just because you're changing a file that there is some loss of quality
20:46:20saratogaor at least an audible one
20:48:27megal0maniacI've been indoctrinated by audiophiles :p
20:50:24megal0maniacPoint is, when there's an option between changing the file or realtime processing, I always stick with the latter where possible
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21:37:36pixelmasaratoga: IIRC auto-updating the database doesn't need dircache anymore but is said to speed it up by a noticeable amount
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22:05:12amayersorry im trying to get aquanted with RB terms and I keep seeing IIRC coming up but its not on the project glossery page.
22:05:14amayerwhat does IIRC stand for?
22:06:11bluebrotherIf I remember correctly
22:06:25bluebrotherthat's a rather standard acronym :)
22:06:38bluebrothernothing Rockbox specific
22:06:44amayerthank you very much. ive never seen it before.
22:07:20amayerive never seen it anywhere else but in this feed. so i assumed it was a rockbox thing.
22:07:22amayerThanks again for clarification
22:08:22bluebrotherfunny. German wikipedia has a list of common internet acronyms, english WP doesn't.
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22:29:22amayerthat is interesting
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