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| 00:01:38 | belushka | hi |
| 00:02:13 | belushka | anyone know where I can find a list with hardware in sansa players? it was somewhere on rockbox site, but I can't remember where exactly |
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| 00:35:15 | bertrik | not sure we have a nice overview actually |
| 00:37:21 | belushka | is the hardware in fuze v2 and clip + the same? |
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| 00:58:40 | n1s | belushka: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS seems like a good place to start looking for info on ams based sansas |
| 00:59:54 | n1s | under the "models" heading there are links to the various pages for the different ports |
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| 01:03:39 | bertrik | I think it wouldn't hurt to have some list of sansa players and the SoC they contain |
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| 01:08:58 | n1s | bertrik, that page covers all the ams based ones at least |
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| 01:11:24 | belushka | thanks |
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| 01:50:53 | kevinrocks123123 | hello i need to know how do i make custom cfg. files for rockbox ? |
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| 01:52:39 | kevinrocks123123 | hello??? |
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| 01:53:37 | kevinrocks123123 | hello |
| 01:54:34 | kevinrocks123123 | i need to know how do i make custom cfg.files for rockbox |
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| 01:56:02 | kevinrocks123123 | hello |
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| 01:56:17 | kevinrocks123123 | hello can you help |
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| 01:57:21 | kevinrocks123123 | hello can you help |
| 01:58:47 | kevinrocks123123 | hello can someone help |
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| 02:00:17 | yuriks | how do I coax the build system to compile a simulator build without optimizations? I want to debug it and the execution just keeps jumping around the source :P |
| 02:00:28 | kevinrocks123123 | can you help |
| 02:00:56 | yuriks | kevinrocks123123: I don't even know what you're asking, and stop spamming the channel and annoying people |
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| 02:03:04 | kevinrocks123123 | well i want to help make custom theams for rockbox and custom icons |
| 02:03:35 | kevinrocks123123 | im just asking for help |
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| 02:27:30 | funman | yuriks: edit the Makefile to add -O0 |
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| 02:33:51 | yuriks | funman: ended up doing that. I thought that setting the debug flag in configure would do that, though |
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| 02:51:19 | yuriks | glyph fallback works :D |
| 02:51:33 | yuriks | in a hardcoded and leaks-fonts way, but works |
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| 03:20:54 | SrRaven | Helllllllo,I'm using the rockbox utility and trying to do it with my Clip+ but whatever I do (with positive results) my firmware stays original,any ideas why? |
| 03:24:06 | [Saint_] | Doesn't sound very much like a positive result, then. |
| 03:25:27 | [Saint_] | Lets start with replacing "whatever I do" with what you're actually doing. |
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| 03:28:00 | SrRaven | I tried the complete install and installing bootloader and rockbox in single steps |
| 03:28:06 | SrRaven | all with the same result,that being none basicly |
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| 03:28:17 | SrRaven | I see the folders on the player,but thats it |
| 03:29:22 | [Saint_] | Are you administrator? |
| 03:29:26 | SrRaven | yes |
| 03:30:30 | [Saint_] | The firmware file you're supplying is correct, ie. a firmware upgrade is performed with an unmodified file? |
| 03:31:04 | SrRaven | I assume so, cause it wont let me add any other than the real one |
| 03:32:36 | [Saint_] | Possible stupid question: you've rebooted since? |
| 03:32:57 | SrRaven | my mp3 player ? yes multiple times |
| 03:34:00 | [Saint_] | If its not performing a firmware upgrade, which should be very obvious, _something_ is going horribly wrong... |
| 03:34:02 | [Saint_] | Hmmm. |
| 03:34:51 | SrRaven | Yeah no fcking idea what is going wrong at some step |
| 03:35:22 | [Saint_] | With it being rbutil related, and a target I don't own, best I can do is prod bluebrother |
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| 03:36:48 | SrRaven | poopi |
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| 04:12:48 | yuriks | Hey, can someone review my change? http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/290 |
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| 04:13:40 | yuriks | It implements glyph fallback for fonts. I tested it on my clip+ (and on the sim). I plan on improving it (configurability and better missing glyph detection) but for now it's already an improvement |
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| 04:16:26 | JdGordon | yuriks: first thought is that table is definitly not acceptable |
| 04:18:10 | yuriks | JdGordon: why? is it too large? |
| 04:18:29 | JdGordon | no, its really not a good way to do it |
| 04:19:21 | JdGordon | if you go through all the loaded fonts and check if the char exists then that is better |
| 04:19:33 | JdGordon | but just loading extra fonts is not doable |
| 04:21:06 | [Saint_] | I'm not sure this is a sane way to handle it. I'd much rather see the default font for all cabbies be gnu uniting so it "just works", and implement the idea JdGordon had a while ago about themes asking for a font height rather than a particular font so the user can always supply their own font with the needed glyphs and a theme can still specify multiple font heights. |
| 04:21:18 | yuriks | what would load the fonts then? And a bunch of fonts have ranges that cover a lot of characters but neverthless have boxes filling most glyphs, so you need a whitelist anyway |
| 04:21:26 | [Saint_] | Bah! *gnu unifont |
| 04:21:39 | yuriks | unless you add in a 'valid glyph' bitmask to the font format |
| 04:21:59 | yuriks | [Saint_]: but unifont is only available in size 16, that's a problem |
| 04:22:06 | JdGordon | it's a tricky problem, but I dont tihnk whitelisting 2 fonts is a good solution |
| 04:22:09 | [Saint_] | I can fix that. |
| 04:22:52 | yuriks | JdGordon: the intention is to move the whitelist to a config file |
| 04:22:56 | [Saint_] | I actually have a huge set of anti aliased gnu unifont fonts already. |
| 04:23:23 | JdGordon | yuriks: are the ranges glyph codes? or file offsets? |
| 04:23:24 | [Saint_] | I don't think substitution of fonts from missmatched sets is any sort of fix. Sorry. |
| 04:23:29 | yuriks | JdGordon: glyph codes |
| 04:23:33 | JdGordon | ok |
| 04:24:01 | [Saint_] | A font set with all glyphs, much saner. Its only the default theme we need to care about here. |
| 04:24:05 | yuriks | [Saint_]: my main reason for this is that Rockfont size 8 is perfectly readable, but lacks japanese characters |
| 04:24:20 | yuriks | meanwhile, Sazanami-Mincho has them, but at size 8 is pretty darn unreadable |
| 04:24:48 | [Saint_] | yuriks: so, wouldn't the easy fix just have been to ask for more fonts (I have a lot), or generate one? |
| 04:25:02 | [Saint_] | This seems like a big solution to a small problem. |
| 04:25:16 | JdGordon | No, I like the sollution, just not with the lookup table |
| 04:25:44 | [Saint_] | I think ripping glyphs from other font sets is *ugly* personally. |
| 04:25:56 | JdGordon | better than []'s though |
| 04:25:59 | yuriks | [Saint_]: it's the first thing I thought of, but it seemed quite inflexible. Visual end result is the same anyway |
| 04:26:14 | [Saint_] | And only works if you have a font of that height (or less?) that already has those glyphs. |
| 04:26:28 | [Saint_] | In which case it seems sane to use that font fully. |
| 04:26:50 | JdGordon | yuriks: can you change it to go through all the loaded fonts and check the ones with the correct font size for the glyph please? |
| 04:26:57 | JdGordon | that can then be configured later |
| 04:27:08 | JdGordon | that will be pushed asap :) |
| 04:27:38 | yuriks | JdGordon: I'll have to see if it'll work. If not I'll have to go ahead and implement the invalid glyph heuristic |
| 04:27:56 | JdGordon | also, the has_glyph() logic looks odd to me |
| 04:28:02 | JdGordon | what is pf->size? |
| 04:28:14 | yuriks | anyone know if all fonts have a dedicated 'box' character, or do some use 'space' or whatever? |
| 04:28:27 | [Saint_] | Well...I for one am putting my hand up an saying "sorry, but, I hate this idea with a passion" |
| 04:28:41 | yuriks | JdGordon: that code is just ripped from what was in the functions before, only I moved it to a separate function |
| 04:28:42 | [Saint_] | I really am sorry, I just don't think its the right fix here. |
| 04:28:59 | JdGordon | yuriks: ah ok, then we'll assume its correct :) |
| 04:29:01 | yuriks | pf->size is the number of glyphs in the font. It's the only indicator of what's a valid glyph contained in the font afaik |
| 04:29:09 | yuriks | it isn't failproof though |
| 04:29:19 | JdGordon | [Saint_]: noted |
| 04:29:21 | yuriks | some fonts have missing glyphs inside that range |
| 04:29:49 | yuriks | so I was thinking of comparing the glyph data pointer to the 'default char' pointer to see if they're equal (and if soo, it's an invalid glyph) |
| 04:30:17 | yuriks | all it takes is a font pointing the default char to @ (like I think one does) or anothre valid char instead of the dummy 'box' glyph to break that though |
| 04:30:36 | yuriks | [Saint_]: What do you prefer? Baking fonts before hand? |
| 04:31:30 | JdGordon | yuriks: yeah, I dont know the font format, but surely it should say if the char is missing or not? |
| 04:31:42 | yuriks | JdGordon: I don't think it does :( |
| 04:32:47 | [Saint_] | JdGordon: just so you know, you're aware the idea you had about themes asking for a font size, rather than a specific font, could negate this additional f***ery (and, IMO, is the "right" fix here (along with all cabbies using GNU Unifont which I'll supply fonts for)) yeah? ...just so I know. |
| 04:33:11 | JdGordon | no it cant, not comeplty |
| 04:33:15 | JdGordon | this is needed also |
| 04:33:25 | [Saint_] | How? |
| 04:33:45 | [Saint_] | To "fix" themes? That's the authors job. |
| 04:34:06 | JdGordon | what is a user supposed to do if they want the latin glyhps from 16-aaaaa.fnt but that doesnt have the japanese glyphs? |
| 04:34:24 | JdGordon | they are forced to remake the font (which is unacceptable), or find a different font |
| 04:34:43 | yuriks | (this is the approach taken by desktop font rendering engines, too) |
| 04:34:51 | [Saint_] | Use GNU Unifont that surely has all those glyphs? |
| 04:35:13 | JdGordon | ? |
| 04:35:26 | JdGordon | yuriks: there is pf->defaultchar which might be what you want? |
| 04:36:05 | JdGordon | oh.... yuck |
| 04:36:09 | yuriks | JdGordon: that one indicates what's the box char code, not the glyph. It's a good way to test, but some fonts set it to a valid glyph |
| 04:36:19 | yuriks | valid character* |
| 04:38:06 | JdGordon | [Saint_]: the reason im against the table is because its alot of nasty extra code... but just shooting through the loaded fonts adds very little overhead for alot of gain. of course fixing the fonts is the better option |
| 04:38:18 | [Saint_] | JdGordon: I guess my point is, that for this to work they will need to have a font (or fonts) that are a: the same height, and b: include the missing glyphs. Since GNU Unifont will already have all those glyphs, and we can make one for any needed height, shouldn't a user with these font requirements just be using GNU Unifont anyway? |
| 04:38:51 | [Saint_] | That seems saner to me than fuckery in-core to make it work. |
| 04:40:23 | yuriks | [Saint_]: Sazanami-Mincho is availabled in all sizes 8-14, so for at least CJK that has it covered |
| 04:40:31 | [Saint_] | Allow a way for the user to override hardcoded fonts, which you planned anyway, and it "just works" across the board. |
| 04:41:09 | JdGordon | [Saint_]: but you always say how fugly gnufont is |
| 04:41:45 | [Saint_] | yuriks: for "just works" we really need 8~36 (I think I have most of these in my repo already in GNU Unifont) |
| 04:42:10 | yuriks | anyway, rockfont: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1990844/2012-07/font-rockfont.png sazanami: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1990844/2012-07/font-sazanami.png |
| 04:42:11 | [Saint_] | JdGordon: and you said it didn't matter I believe? |
| 04:42:17 | yuriks | and both on the same screen: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1990844/2012-07/font-merged.png |
| 04:42:22 | yuriks | I think sazanami looks awful |
| 04:42:29 | [Saint_] | JdGordon: these would be in the font pack. |
| 04:42:40 | [Saint_] | (Apart from the one cabbie uses) |
| 04:43:18 | [Saint_] | No, I wouldn't put ~15 sets of unifont in the binary download :) |
| 04:43:55 | [Saint_] | We already ship one copy of gnu unifont anyway, so nothing lost. |
| 04:44:21 | yuriks | JdGordon: re. searching through loaded fonts: you'd still need a way to force loading of some font independently of the theme, though (unless there's already something that does that and I don't know about) |
| 04:46:00 | [Saint_] | There was talk of allowing the user to override fonts the theme hardcodes, so it only asks for a height, and could use any font of that height. |
| 04:46:21 | JdGordon | yuriks: yes, but thats to be decided |
| 04:46:41 | yuriks | JdGordon: so you only object to the glyph ranges part of the table? |
| 04:46:55 | JdGordon | the table lookup yes |
| 04:47:16 | JdGordon | go through the loaded fonts array and chck those fonts for a suitable one |
| 04:49:20 | yuriks | I'll see if I can write a more reliable missing glyph detection, then do that |
| 04:49:30 | yuriks | I already found at least one font that gives problems |
| 04:49:39 | * | [Saint_] is reminded he should submit his GNU Unifont(s) to territory for the font pack. |
| 04:49:42 | yuriks | (claims to have glyphs but doesn't) |
| 04:49:53 | [Saint_] | What are the min/Max heights wanted there? |
| 04:50:09 | yuriks | what does unifont look like at size 8? |
| 04:50:18 | [Saint_] | I've gone up to 50px iirc, and as low as 10 I think. Need to check. |
| 04:50:44 | [Saint_] | yuriks: lets face it, it looks crap at any height :) |
| 04:50:51 | JdGordon | scorche: can you add .sbs and .fms to the attachable extensions on the fourms please? |
| 04:51:03 | yuriks | I doubt it'll be usable at < 8px |
| 04:51:09 | [Saint_] | These are antialiased though, so look a little better than the bitmap versions. |
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| 04:55:03 | JdGordon | 12:42 <[Saint_]> JdGordon: and you said it didn't matter I believe? <- you misunderstood, my point was that your solution is not complete and we really should be doing glyph fallback for years |
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| 04:58:00 | [Saint_] | I think its weird though, as for it to work you'd need to have a font of that height, with the missing glyphs on the disk anyway...so if the user has specific glyph requirements that font should be being used. Not glyphs ripped from it. |
| 04:58:52 | JdGordon | sure, but doing a best effort lookup is infinitly better than showing an empty box on the few glyphs which they might be missing (and not even know they need) |
| 04:59:04 | JdGordon | you're forcing a fuck ugly font on pretty much everyone |
| 04:59:43 | [Saint_] | No, on those that require it. |
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| 05:00:25 | [Saint_] | Its a fact that cabbie should be using GNU Unifont as a default, so its only custom themes that really matter here. |
| 05:00:33 | JdGordon | 99.9% of the glpyhs I need are latin, but i cant be usre i dont have tracks which want CJK but the font im using doesnt have it |
| 05:00:49 | JdGordon | for a few extra LOC which ideally wont run ever its worth it |
| 05:01:12 | JdGordon | our font configuration system sucks - fact :p |
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| 05:13:10 | webguest01 | is a sansa fuze+ the same as sansa fuze v2? |
| 05:15:24 | [Saint] | webguest01: No. |
| 05:16:02 | webguest01 | so fuze+ is not supported then? |
| 05:17:35 | [Saint] | No, what gives you that idea? |
| 05:17:57 | [Saint] | It is clearly listed on the main page. Were it not supported, it wouldn't be. |
| 05:19:09 | [Saint] | If there's something the site says that gives you this impression, please tell us, and let us know how we might address it so that someone can do so if there's a legitimate need. |
| 05:19:36 | webguest01 | I see it now, but in the unstable list |
| 05:19:42 | [Saint] | I think "Rockbox runs on these players, but is incomplete, less usable or has problems that limit it to advanced users:" is pretty clear, though. |
| 05:19:42 | webguest01 | I was looking at this: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaFuze |
| 05:19:49 | [Saint] | Ah. |
| 05:20:41 | [Saint] | Well, the "Fuze(v1/2) and the Fuze+ are different targets, so you wanted: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaFuzePlus instead |
| 05:21:18 | webguest01 | I see no, thanks |
| 05:21:34 | webguest01 | *I see now, thanks |
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| 06:02:02 | yuriks | JdGordon: I don't think there's any reasonable way to do better missing glyph checks. The idea I had breaks with fonts that need the glyph cache |
| 06:02:20 | yuriks | (the file offset of the glyph isn't known if it isn't in the cache) |
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| 07:03:35 | scorche | JdGordon: you dont have permission to do that? |
| 07:03:55 | scorche | either way - added |
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| 07:13:09 | yuriks | JdGordon: I'm guessing changing the font format isn't acceptable? |
| 07:21:34 | yuriks | nevermind, I was thinking of including a bitmap of included glyphs, but even that will still be too large to load into memory |
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| 09:26:16 | [Saint] | heh... lazerbeak, awesome :) |
| 09:26:31 | lazerbeak | :D |
| 09:26:33 | JdGordon | yuriks: yeah, prob not |
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| 09:53:49 | TheLemonMan | whats the average price for a clip zip (in euros) ? |
| 09:57:06 | bertrik | I see one in a dutch webshop at about E40,- |
| 09:57:59 | bluebrother | SrRaven: how did you select the player? Did you select it manually or did you use autodetection? |
| 09:59:43 | TheLemonMan | bertrik: 4gb ? |
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| 10:00:06 | bertrik | yes |
| 10:00:42 | bluebrother | also. I'd like to see the output of the system trace (aftrr prforming the installation) and the system info |
| 10:01:06 | bluebrother | both are located in Help / Troubleshooting |
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| 10:15:55 | bluebrother | [Saint]: it's usually a good idea to ask for the output of those dialogs in case of problems :) |
| 10:17:46 | [Saint] | bluebrother: I probably should've done so, yes. But he may have got the impression I would have done something with them personally :) |
| 10:18:16 | [Saint] | As opposed to "Thanks, but you still have to wait for the guy that knows what he's doing" :D |
| 10:19:11 | [Saint] | bluebrother: he's still here, you can ask him now! |
| 10:19:17 | * | [Saint] runs away... |
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| 10:29:20 | bluebrother | [Saint]: I already did :) |
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| 10:52:57 | [Saint] | bluebrother: so, what was the issue in the end? |
| 10:53:09 | [Saint] | Which obvious thing I should have thought of did I not think of? |
| 10:53:46 | SrRaven | bluebrother I did it manually |
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| 11:37:43 | bluebrother | SrRaven: are you absolutely sure your player is a clip+? |
| 11:38:04 | bluebrother | also, as I said, please post the output of Help / Troubleshooting / System Info |
| 11:38:43 | bluebrother | that way we can make sure the player is actually the player you think it is |
| 11:39:05 | bluebrother | and there is a reason why we have an autodetection feature ... |
| 11:39:08 | * | bluebrother sighs |
| 11:39:27 | bluebrother | seems we need to enforce autodetection at least on first run |
| 11:40:42 | bluebrother | (for the record, we just had an issue with a user thinking his e200v2 is an e200v2 while it actually was an e200) |
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| 11:58:28 | Szatan | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HifimanPort have a error |
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| 11:58:46 | Szatan | > |
| 11:58:48 | Szatan | cp /mn/img/SYSTEM/BASE.RKW /mnt/sd/.rockbox/ |
| 11:58:54 | Szatan | shount be |
| 11:58:59 | Szatan | cp /mnt/img/SYSTEM/BASE.RKW /mnt/sd/.rockbox/ |
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| 12:00:04 | [Saint] | Szatan: it *is* a wiki... |
| 12:01:32 | SrRaven | Rockbox says its a Sansa e200v2 series |
| 12:02:38 | [Saint] | Szatan: fixed. |
| 12:03:03 | [Saint] | Purely due to the fact it takes me less time to fix it that in does to grant you write access :) |
| 12:03:16 | [Saint] | *than it |
| 12:04:28 | Szatan | [Saint]: U Have iPod with CF card? |
| 12:05:14 | [Saint] | If in some alternate universe "U" is a substitution for "You", then yes. |
| 12:05:43 | SrRaven | ok now for whatever reason it worked,did the same thing I did yesterday 5 times...blah |
| 12:07:01 | Szatan | I'll probably buy iPod Video 5G and buy 256GB CF card, it's should works? |
| 12:08:55 | [Saint] | You'll also end up spending a RIDICULOUS amount of money for this card. |
| 12:09:04 | [Saint] | I'm not sure you've looked into this too well. |
| 12:09:40 | [Saint] | iPod Video == $50~100, 256GB CF card == ~$600 |
| 12:11:29 | [Saint] | this type of card is really more for industry leading photographic professionals, not DAP modders. Unless you class yourself as an audiophile, in which case you probably have $5000 power cables lying around to go with your magical color foil. |
| 12:14:35 | [Saint] | If you're really willing to spend anywhere near this price, I would suggest you get an iPod Classic and an SSD or equivalent capacity, which would still work out cheaper. |
| 12:14:45 | [Saint] | *ssd of |
| 12:18:37 | [Saint] | If you're not..then, I'm truly sorry for ruining the dream you had of bleeding edge technology being anywhere near affordable ;) |
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| 12:27:34 | Szatan | hmm, iPod Video probably support 250 GB storage |
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| 12:56:00 | [Saint] | Szatan: What draws you to that (wrong) conclusion? |
| 12:57:48 | pixelma | why wrong? |
| 12:58:23 | [Saint] | Well, it depends on how "iPod" is used I suppose. |
| 12:59:01 | pixelma | are you saying that the Video won't cope with 250GB storage? |
| 12:59:30 | [Saint] | Oh, nevermind. I see what I did. |
| 12:59:47 | [Saint] | I added a word that wasn't there, and totally changed the meaning of the statement. |
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| 13:00:27 | [Saint] | Szatan: Yes, yes it definitely does. The OF may not see all of it, but Rockbox won't care in the slightest. |
| 13:01:25 | [Saint] | for some reason I read: "Szatan> hmm, iPod Video probably doesn't support 250 GB storage"...my mistake. |
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| 13:09:13 | Szatan | oh |
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| 15:21:31 | amiconn | [Saint]: Untranslated voice strings are not supposed to be voiced. This is because unlike .lng, there is no built-in .voice |
| 15:21:50 | amiconn | That means there is nothing you can fall back to |
| 15:24:51 | [Saint] | I'm not sure what the "sane" fix is, including english.voice and tweaking the core to deal with more than one .voice file, or, including the untranslated strings as english and risking it sounding awful when translated by non-english tts. |
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| 15:25:32 | [Saint] | even if neither of those is sane, or a fix, it still seems quite terrible to me to voice *nothing* in the cases of untranslated strings. |
| 15:26:15 | JdGordon | amiconn: you know the font stuff right? Is there a better way to check if a font has a glyph than the check in font.c? |
| 15:26:26 | JdGordon | if (char_code < pf->firstchar || char_code >= pf->firstchar+pf->size) |
| 15:27:36 | [Saint] | including english.voice doesn't really seem to be an option, as this forces a voiced interface for all users by default instead of allowing them to choose to have voice or not by leaving the setting enabled and the voice file jsut not being present. |
| 15:28:09 | [Saint] | so the option I can think of that fills the gap immediately is including the untranslated strings as english text and risking it sounding crap. |
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| 15:28:55 | [Saint] | evevn if it sounds a bit weird, it might offer a way out for a blind user with a poorly translated lang trying Rockbox for the first time(s) or so. |
| 15:34:45 | [Saint] | Presently, its a bit of a loaded trap for some langs. If for example a blind user spoke english somewhat, and (as the worst possible example) afrikaans...they would be able to navigate to the language selection and then promptly lose the ability to navigate the menus completely after choosing their native tongue because (through no fault of their own (and its not really easy to check)) that particular language doesn't have a *singular* voic |
| 15:34:45 | [Saint] | e string :) |
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| 15:43:06 | amiconn | You can't rely on english.voice because it's not likely to be present |
| 15:43:49 | amiconn | Also you simply can't load two voice files on lowmem targets, at least if it's hdd based. Even a single .voice is *really* tight on some targets |
| 15:44:45 | amiconn | There is no sane fix |
| 15:47:14 | [Saint] | It doesn't necessarily have to be /too/ sane, it just needs to be functional enough to not leave a set of users completely in the dark if they happen to select their own (poorly translated) language without knowing it isn't fully supported. :) |
| 15:48:05 | [Saint] | which is why I thought of just using the english source text for untranslated strings instead of 'nothing at all'. |
| 15:48:29 | [Saint] | but, if it won't fit on some players...that's yet another issue :-S |
| 15:49:43 | amiconn | If we use english text, we should use the english voice strings from english.lang, not the source text |
| 15:50:16 | [Saint] | Oh, I thought they were one and the same. |
| 15:50:19 | [Saint] | My mistake. |
| 15:50:50 | amiconn | Of course a very nice solution on swcodec would be if we get espeak integrated. Then we can use espeak for everything not in .voice or .talk |
| 15:51:09 | * | [Saint] nods |
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| 15:52:37 | amiconn | JdGordon: I don't know |
| 15:53:48 | [Saint] | the downside of this, is that it would break the translation website until sufficient magic was added for it to know that verbatim voice strings from english.lang in <non-english>.lang were in fact still untranslated. |
| 15:54:45 | [Saint] | and, as good as it would be to offer a (potential) way out for users in this edge case, breaking the translation site isn't something I see as acceptable. |
| 15:55:39 | [Saint] | Just once I want to think of a problem that has a nice, easy, obvious solution...but all those were taken by early birds long ago :) |
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| 16:43:50 | bertrik | I remember people reporting problems with USB when using a non-standard theme. Does anyone remember a specific trouble-causing theme? |
| 16:50:38 | [Saint] | fs#12639 |
| 16:50:39 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12639 lebellium Samsung-like theme for Clip Zip: WPS doesn't load properly and USB not working (bugs, unconfirmed) |
| 16:52:40 | lebellium | the WPS loads properly now |
| 16:52:40 | [Saint] | If tracing that through was non obvious, the example I knew of personally has been resolved (apparently). |
| 16:53:02 | lebellium | as for USB, I wouldn't say it's fully stable yet |
| 16:53:15 | [Saint] | heh, sorry lebellium, I gues fs-bluebot accidentally pinged you :) |
| 16:53:22 | [Saint] | *guess |
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| 16:55:40 | lebellium | Yes the bot pinged me :D As I said, the Zip USB has never been full stable with rockbox yet. It's better than before but not as good as the OF yet |
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| 17:05:01 | bertrik | I made some stuff around playlist subsystem shutdown/startup a bit more robust, but I don't know if that was the cause for the USB problems |
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| 17:06:24 | lebellium | I use a build of the May, 16th so I should update to the latest build to see if there is a difference ;) |
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| 17:25:47 | TheLemonMan | aww, i'm going to buy a zip and i just discovered the usb is bugged |
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| 17:41:57 | lebellium | TheLemonMan: how is it going with the Q2 port? :P |
| 17:42:49 | TheLemonMan | lebellium: the Q2 has just died last monday :( |
| 17:43:06 | lebellium | arf... hw issue? |
| 17:44:38 | TheLemonMan | dead touchpad, random reboots, usb issues |
| 17:45:01 | TheLemonMan | i'm gonna move to a 4gb clip zip plus a 16gb sdhc |
| 17:46:11 | lebellium | so the R0 will remain the only recent rockboxed Samsung player forever :( |
| 17:48:11 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: what is the chip in the Q2 ? |
| 17:48:34 | lebellium | STMP3750 |
| 17:48:43 | TheLemonMan | ^ that |
| 17:49:15 | TheLemonMan | i can give you some code i used to deal with the nand, i have no use for it anymore |
| 17:49:32 | pamaury | so it should be "easy" to port it soon since I'm working on the stmp3700 now. But if you don't have the hardware :-/ Yeah that would be of interest please |
| 17:55:26 | TheLemonMan | can't find it yet, i need to search better. But it was just a matter of initializing some pins and building some boilerplate to avoid touching the boring dma chains by hand |
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| 18:33:38 | saratoga | Where is the right place to enable logging for all hardware devices? |
| 18:34:11 | saratoga | Individual config files, the configure script? |
| 18:34:19 | saratoga | Somewhere else? |
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| 19:00:31 | funman | i would guess config.h ? |
| 19:20:16 | pamaury | I think there should be a configure option for this |
| 19:20:38 | pamaury | mgottschlag: ping |
| 19:20:45 | mgottschlag | pong |
| 19:21:15 | pamaury | another thing regarding the stmp3700: the pins are not the same as the imx233 and we have no complete map of it |
| 19:21:29 | pamaury | the best map we currently have is here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/STMP37xxPins |
| 19:22:03 | pamaury | I'm updating it everytime I find something out of my reverse engineering sessions |
| 19:23:16 | pamaury | did you see the link I gave you for the tool to run on the device ? |
| 19:23:29 | mgottschlag | hm, this one even isn't BGA packaged, so would be completely different probably |
| 19:23:40 | mgottschlag | hwemul? works great |
| 19:23:51 | mgottschlag | I don't have much time to play with it right now though -.- |
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| 19:24:53 | pamaury | ah, you have a lqfp package ? |
| 19:24:55 | pamaury | damn |
| 19:25:07 | pamaury | it will indeed be completely different probably |
| 19:25:39 | pamaury | then it would be nice if you help filling this table based on your findings :) |
| 19:26:19 | pamaury | it is computer generated so the best way would be that you give me a list if you feel like building some |
| 19:27:09 | pamaury | which device is it ? I can't remember |
| 19:28:15 | mgottschlag | STMP3710, Philips SA3225/02 |
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| 19:28:37 | mgottschlag | I'll need some time to get into this, and don't expect too much usable info to come from me :p |
| 19:29:25 | mgottschlag | (on another note, seems that I damaged the LCD cable while repairing the battery wires, the player wasn't working at all before I did that though) |
| 19:30:12 | mgottschlag | so no LCD -.- |
| 19:31:05 | pamaury | seems problemati |
| 19:31:06 | pamaury | c |
| 19:33:04 | pamaury | also, if you feel like creating a wiki page like this one http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CreativeZENXFi it would be awesome for the sake of documentation |
| 19:33:20 | pamaury | there's no hurry though :) |
| 19:33:49 | pamaury | (or see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CreativeZENXFi2 or http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CreativeZENXFi3 which are more complete ones) |
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| 20:14:52 | [Saint] | mgottschlag: define "damaged the LCD", ...how badly? |
| 20:15:30 | [Saint] | (and, is there any other type of output device on the DAP? A piezo, an LED, etc?) |
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| 20:35:21 | mgottschlag | mostly afk right now |
| 20:36:04 | mgottschlag | <[Saint]>: no idea, all I get is a white image |
| 20:36:30 | mgottschlag | I can get sound out of it though |
| 20:37:01 | mgottschlag | (used pamaury's tool as a basis and just copied the imx233 audio code) |
| 20:37:15 | [Saint] | mgottschlag: that's ok, just wondering if you could at least blink the LCD to verify you were in fact running your own code on the device. |
| 20:37:25 | [Saint] | But it seems like you're further forward than that. |
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| 21:56:42 | TheLemonMan | lebellium: ping |
| 21:57:12 | lebellium | pong |
| 21:57:37 | TheLemonMan | how did you manage to slip a debit card into the border between the faceplate and the silver border ? |
| 21:59:29 | lebellium | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64419 here I did not use any card |
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| 22:00:23 | TheLemonMan | a knife is even thicker |
| 22:01:53 | lebellium | I did it with a knife |
| 22:03:40 | TheLemonMan | do i just need to push the faceplate or theres something that keeps it in place and needs to be broken ? |
| 22:05:32 | lebellium | I don't remember more than what is written in the tutorial, that was 1 year ago ;) |
| 22:06:22 | TheLemonMan | arr, thanks anyway |
| 22:07:17 | lebellium | I just remember the Q2 is bad built, it's impossible to disassemble it without damaging it a little :P |
| 22:07:44 | TheLemonMan | then ill order a zip in the meanwhile :P |
| 22:08:06 | TheLemonMan | i just heard that its battery life is inferior to Q2 :< |
| 22:08:22 | lebellium | much more inferior |
| 22:08:48 | lebellium | but the Q2 battery is probably bigger than the whole Zip itself ;) |
| 22:09:11 | TheLemonMan | half ? |
| 22:09:35 | lebellium | I get 10-15hrs running time on the Zip |
| 22:09:56 | lebellium | on the Q2 you can reach 30hrs without DNSe |
| 22:10:09 | TheLemonMan | meh, not that bad |
| 22:11:17 | lebellium | if you buy a Zip, try to get the WiseChip version, bertrik has the other version and thus the screen colors haven't been calibrated yet on my version \o/ |
| 22:12:14 | TheLemonMan | heh i hope to work a bit on rockbox now that i get a rockboxable player |
| 22:19:00 | lebellium | well much of the work has already been done on the Zip port. That would have been better to port Rockbox on the Q2. It's a shame it died.... |
| 22:19:40 | TheLemonMan | thanks god all the music is backed up |
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| 22:22:10 | bertrik | lebellium, I don't think there is much to calibrate (at least not that I remember) |
| 22:22:26 | TheLemonMan | strange enough the bootloader doesn't bitch at all so the basic components are still alive |
| 22:23:18 | lebellium | bertrik: I told you several times that the colors are not what they should be! My reference is the volume bar of my theme |
| 22:23:55 | bertrik | oh, I remember one thing: perhaps the settings for red and green are swapped |
| 22:24:19 | lebellium | the thing is you don't have the WiseChip version so I assume it's hard to fix |
| 22:24:20 | bertrik | sorry, red and blue |
| 22:26:25 | TheLemonMan | lebellium: do you remember if the glue was on the lower part of the clip ? |
| 22:28:24 | lebellium | as far as I remember the glue was not on the clip |
| 22:29:35 | TheLemonMan | aww, the last clip is buried under something |
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| 22:57:52 | TheLemonMan | yay, faceplate removed. and yay for the lcd connected without a flat |
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| 23:08:47 | lebellium | fine |
| 23:09:01 | lebellium | is sth broken? |
| 23:12:10 | saratoga | huh, i call my ERRORF code from inside a codec and it compile and links just fine, but the entries never get written to disk |
| 23:12:23 | saratoga | but the ones elsewhere in /apps work fine |
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| 23:12:36 | saratoga | is there something special about how codecs are linked that i'm likely forgetting? |
| 23:14:34 | bertrik | I can't think of any |
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| 23:15:16 | bertrik | maybe something didn't get recompiled right and the ABI is incompatible without you realising it? |
| 23:16:30 | saratoga | huh there it goes |
| 23:16:32 | saratoga | yeah maybe |
| 23:16:37 | saratoga | i didn't change much and now its owrking |
| 23:16:51 | saratoga | E [codec_run](MPA) testing error logging! |
| 23:16:52 | TheLemonMan | lebellium: nop, ill try remounting it now, plugging the tpad flat again is a pain |
| 23:16:53 | saratoga | nice |
| 23:17:02 | saratoga | ok this is far enough along to push to gerrit |
| 23:17:43 | bertrik | saratoga, some thoughts on the logger: do we have some kind of recursion protection (like if we can't write to the log and we try to log that)? |
| 23:18:15 | saratoga | the log code itself never logs its own status |
| 23:18:19 | saratoga | so i think that should be safe? |
| 23:18:26 | bertrik | and also, will logging still work if the volume that we log on is mounted over USB? |
| 23:18:29 | lebellium | TheLemonMan: If I remember well I had some issues with the screen and touchpad after remounting, there is a right order to connect them or something like that.... |
| 23:19:06 | gevaerts | saratoga: I was thinking that with some work we should be able to separate the logging bit (i.e. the bit that gets log messages and stores them in the buffer) and the output bit. That would allow things like switching off the disk logging and enabling logging over USB if we happen to need that |
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| 23:19:47 | saratoga | bertrik: if you mount USB, i don't think the callback will trigger |
| 23:20:01 | saratoga | i'm trusting on rockbox to do the right thing and not call the ATA callbacks when the disk isn't available |
| 23:20:02 | gevaerts | Is the file kept open? |
| 23:20:04 | bertrik | gevaerts, like having different "appenders" like in log4j? :D |
| 23:20:12 | saratoga | so i think you can use logging and it'll flush the next time the disk is mounted |
| 23:20:25 | bertrik | gevaerts, no |
| 23:20:26 | saratoga | no the file is closed everytime |
| 23:20:30 | gevaerts | ok |
| 23:20:37 | saratoga | so yeah i think this should be USB safe even |
| 23:20:51 | saratoga | but yes, the current code just has a flush_buffer callback |
| 23:20:57 | saratoga | you could make that do anything you wanted |
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| 23:21:14 | saratoga | right now its just an open, write, close, but in theory it could use jtag or msc or whatever |
| 23:21:46 | saratoga | this whole thing is stupidly easy |
| 23:22:00 | saratoga | i spent more time trying to remember how to parse strings in c then figuring out how to make it work with rockbox |
| 23:22:06 | bertrik | well often simple == good :D |
| 23:22:24 | gevaerts | bertrik: if you don't look at the details, yes :) |
| 23:22:47 | saratoga | so i took some advice and configured my editor to strip out trailing white space, but thats creating a lot of extra commit lines when i edit files |
| 23:22:52 | saratoga | should i not be doing that? |
| 23:23:25 | gevaerts | That's a tricky one |
| 23:23:52 | bertrik | I prefer white space changes as a separate big patch, but I don't mind a few |
| 23:24:11 | saratoga | ok |
| 23:24:24 | saratoga | they're mostly files i edited in the first place, so this is probably just me fixing my own mistakes |
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| 23:25:30 | bertrik | yeah, I prefer to keep files without functional changes out of a patch |
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| 23:27:02 | gevaerts | The big advantage of having whitespace fixes in separate commits is that if you look at the git blame output and then at the commit message, it's immediately clear that you need to move to the next one |
| 23:27:58 | bertrik | ah, there's the risk you get blamed for someone else's bug if you change their whitespace! :) |
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| 23:29:33 | gevaerts | That's one way of explaining it :) |
| 23:30:35 | saratoga | hmm i fucked up that to gerrit |
| 23:30:37 | gevaerts | Seriously though, I tend to use <SCM-of-choice> blame fairly often, and not having to study the actual patch to see you have to skip a commit is very nice |
| 23:30:41 | saratoga | i think i did a commit instead of an amend |
| 23:32:05 | gevaerts | You can fix that (although the "wrong" one will remain on gerrit), but I'm not sure of the details |
| 23:34:26 | gevaerts | It involves git reset to "uncommit" the latest commit locally after which you can commit −−amend the changes. The arguments to give to git reset still appear obscure and mystical to me though |
| 23:34:26 | TheLemonMan | this fucking bitch dies after some seconds after boot |
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