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#rockbox log for 2012-07-22

00:01:29freqmodi most probably copied from the tarball too
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00:09:11freqmodnow the git code is compiling and pushed
00:09:28freqmodit compiled without any modification from the opus repo :)
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00:12:46freqmodthe silk part results in a 1.1 mb binary on target
00:13:14freqmodwith debug active
00:13:27gmaxwellDebug does some nutty stuff.
00:13:44gmaxwellWhat compiler?
00:13:54freqmodthe virtualbox image
00:14:12freqmodgcc 4.4.4 AFAIK
00:27:59gmaxwellfreqmod: here is a nm breakdown of the test util, compiled for x86— Basically all the biggest offenders are encoder things.
00:28:46gmaxwell(well not all— as much of the celt/ code does joint encode/decode, but generally)
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00:33:11kugeldid anyone see sideral recently?
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00:40:16[Saint_]kugel: nickserv is your friend :)
00:40:28[Saint_]Not in 16 weeks, it says.
00:41:17kugellogbot says never seen
00:42:09[Saint_]Well...that's obviously untrue.
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00:43:32[Saint_]I can't say when the last time he was here was, but I can say he hasn't identified in ~16 weeks.
00:47:14kugel16 weeks is a long time :(
00:48:17[Saint_]Last time I talked to him he had had no time for anything Rockbox related and didn't see any time becoming available in the immediate future.
00:48:32[Saint_]He really wanted to finish the theme editor.
00:48:43[Saint_]...but, real life, etc.
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00:51:47kugelsideral had nothing to do with the theme editor did he?
00:52:33[Saint_]Errrr....yes? If not, who am I thinking of I wonder...
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04:03:25rocktriangleI started playing FLAC for the first time on my DAP, and noticed that when I fast forward, it only lets me go 50 seconds at a time
04:03:31rocktriangleIs that normal?
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04:04:23rocktriangleWhere as there's no difficulty fast forwarding in an mp3 file, regardless if its 50 seconds or 50 minutes on other files
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08:42:38kugelpJdGordon: I don't understand. the string is already translated
08:44:04kugelphow does it assume English wording?
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09:33:34*[Saint] assumes kugel is talking about the inline comment in g297 and wonders the same thing
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09:44:17kugelpit says "Foo (Error reading %s)" where everything between () is translatable and re-orderable (and %s is replaced with Foo)
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10:01:54JdGordonkugelp: so it becomes "Foo (Error reading Foo)"?
10:01:58JdGordonthats a bit redundant
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10:02:43belushkahello, how do I install meier crossfeed?
10:03:02belushkaI am using fuze
10:05:50kugelpJdGordon: yes, but i didn't want to introduce a new lang string for this edge case
10:08:00JdGordonjust use the icon and not bother
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10:10:22kugelpIt's fine now isn't it?
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10:13:45[Saint]Oh, yay...
10:13:54JdGordonthe text doesnt really add anything, but sure, whatever
10:13:58[Saint]I seem to have "soft-bricked" my Fuze
10:14:09JdGordonerr, does the equivilant .unignore work?
10:14:53[Saint]belushka: you set up a development environment, apply the patch, and compile your own build.
10:15:59[Saint]Yep....bugger. My Fuze just shat itself.
10:16:01belushkaI just downloaded an unofficial build that has meier included and installed it but now when I play a song, I can't hear sound at all...
10:16:12belushkasomething's wrong.
10:16:36[Saint]belushka: "unofficial build" we can't help you here, really.
10:16:58[Saint]Lord knows what modifications may or may not have been made to it.
10:17:11[Saint]and its beyond the scope of this channel to find out.
10:17:29[Saint]Yep, that's the author.
10:18:00belushkawhy the hell is there no sound!? any ideas? I see the meier in the crossfeed settings... but when I play a song no sound...
10:18:26belushkaI'm confused
10:18:36[Saint]"I cannot tell you, because of the nature of the build. I am not a mind reader"
10:18:51[Saint]I have no idea what has/has not been applied to this build, and its offtopic here.
10:19:12belushkaI just thought someone might have an idea
10:19:27[Saint]I would suggest contacting the author.
10:19:39[Saint]He is required to provide you with the source to this binary.
10:19:50belushkathanks, I will
10:20:15bertrikthe meier crossfeed is already part of the current development build of rockbox
10:21:13[Saint]Oh? Wow...when did you sneak that in bertrik?
10:21:40bertrikit committed itself! :)
10:21:40[Saint]there you go belushka, its apparently as simple as "use a development build"
10:21:56[Saint]the upside of this is, you get support! ;)
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10:22:10belushkawhat does that mean? I installed the latest build but there was no meier anywhere... are you sure?
10:22:23[Saint]you probably installed the latest release.
10:22:35belushkayes, release
10:22:37[Saint](which can be up to 4 months old or more)
10:22:52belushkaisn't that what he meant?
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10:23:15*[Saint] slaps himself for not keeping up to date on crossfeed.
10:23:42[Saint]I'm pretty sure I still have a source tree somewhere around specifically maintaining that patch....whoops. :)
10:24:37[Saint]belushka: there's essentially two builds, the current release (which you have), and the current development snapshot.
10:24:41[Saint]You want the latter.
10:24:54belushkawhere can I get it?
10:25:17[Saint]RbUtil, or the main page.
10:25:40belushkaRockbox Development Builds
10:25:54belushkaok, thanks
10:26:13*[Saint] is off to chastise himself for thinking meier wasn't included...
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10:31:42belushkanot good... I installed the development build like you said and now I can't turn on the fuze
10:31:57belushkaand when I plug in the usb nothing happens...
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10:32:48belushkaany ideas? I can't see the fuze in the my computer
10:33:19belushkalooks like it's dead
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10:33:53belushkadid this ever happen?
10:34:01belushkawhat does it mean?
10:34:07[Saint]<[Saint]> Oh, yay...
10:34:08[Saint]<[Saint]> I seem to have "soft-bricked" my Fuze
10:34:19[Saint]It happened to me about ~10 mins ago.
10:34:28belushkahow do I get back to OF?
10:34:58belushkaI got some white screen of death before it died.. there was some error
10:35:44[Saint]There's pretty much nothing to do but wait for the battery to die. This isn't happening to all Fuze owners to my knowledge, but, it seems to be happening increasingly lately. :-S
10:36:00[Saint]What OS are you using, out of interest?
10:36:20[Saint]...ok, there's one of my theories out the window then.
10:36:34belushkaso I just wait for battery to empty and then?
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10:38:39[Saint]It *should* boot when connected to a power source.
10:39:37belushkawhy doesn't it boot now?
10:39:45belushkacan't even reset it
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10:40:12belushkahow long till the battery dies since it's not using any batteries? is it?
10:40:51[Saint]Technically it did boot, partially. The issue is it is hanging, the device is actualy on, which can be verified by inserting headphones or some other form of output.
10:41:15[Saint]you should hear a faint "pop", this means the headphones are getting power, and the device is on.
10:42:22[Saint]depending on the state of charge, 1~3 days, unfortunately this kind of thing....just happens. Its one of the downsides of undocumented hardware.
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10:44:34[Saint]knowing what the panic message was could help, but if your case was anything like mine you wouldn't have got a chance to read it.
10:44:55belushkawhy did this happen?
10:45:34belushkait was error and had numbers like 00000003
10:46:56belushkawill this always happen?
10:48:03[Saint]It happens because, although best efforts are made, Rockbox contains bugs the same as any software does.
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10:48:26[Saint]And no, it shouldn't, appears to be a "luck" related thing.
10:48:41bertrikwe have a lot of weird bugs lately around USB insertion/removal
10:48:46[Saint]For instance, I updated my Fuze a few days ago, and all was well...this time, it got me.
10:49:14belushkaso after it boots again, which firmware will be on?
10:49:26belushkathe dev build right?
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10:49:55belushkaI mean it will work normally then?
10:50:56[Saint] /Probably/, but your mileage may vary. When you do attempt to boot the device after it has drained, it would be wise to attempt to boot the OF immediately.
10:53:39[Saint]It may in fact just be a huge coincidence this happened to you and I, and that the previous build you had installed played a part in this.
10:54:14[Saint]Seeing as the previous build wasn't exactly functional either. Who knows...if we knew, someone smarter than I would've fixed it by now. :)
10:58:52[Saint]I'm terribly sorry this happened, but it should be recoverable (unless its a hardware failure, which would be just bad timing). There's no way to predict unpredictable behaviour unfortunately.
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11:11:05belushkait will recover, just need to wait a few days... should've warned me :)
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11:17:40[Saint]belushka: is there some way we could improve the wording of - "These builds are provided fresh after every source code change. If builds are not currently showing, wait 5-10 minutes and then refresh the page.
11:17:40[Saint]Since these builds are generated from actively developed source, at times they may be buggy or even unusable. We appreciate your feedback on any issues you may encounter.
11:17:40[Saint]For a stable build, download the latest stable release."?
11:18:30belushkaI know, I wasn't saying it's your
11:18:54[Saint]Oh, I know. I just wondered if there was something about the warning that wasn't clear.
11:19:35belushkawell, it's always risky I guess, just a bad luck... I would've done it even if you told me
11:20:23belushkadid this happen to other players as well? or only fuze?
11:25:36[Saint]I believe some ClipV1/2 devices have suffered asimilar fate.
11:28:22belushkaso this happened in previous builds as well?
11:30:20[Saint]Well, when you say "this", I can only speculate the root cause is the same. A similar issue has been seen on this devices, but doesn't appear to be specific to any one revision in particular.
11:31:25[Saint]If it were known when this was introduced, it would be a lot easier to fix.
11:32:24[Saint]Some people report their devices behaved similarly immediately after ejecting/safely removing the device from USb, others report it "just happened", others report it happened after a reboot, etc.
11:32:55[Saint]Its only happened a handful of times ever, its not a common occurrence.
11:33:57lebelliumwhat's that ??
11:34:36bertrikit is spam
11:35:06[Saint] did...
11:35:25[Saint]That's certainly interesting.
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11:40:58belushkareally, a spam?
11:45:24[Saint]Yep. Really really.
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11:46:35belushkahow is that possible? really don't get it
11:46:56belushkathey hack the website?
11:47:12belushkaor just edit wiki page?
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11:48:09[Saint]I could only speculate how it was done, with the systems in place it shouldn't be possible, but apparently someone/thing managed it.
11:48:33[Saint]The wiki isn't in a particularly great state rirght now, its a bit ill.
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12:31:43JdGordonyep, you're allowed to edit your user page on the wiki without being in the wikiusersgroup group
12:34:25lebelliumJdGordon: when is your wedding i.e. when will you have time again to work further on the random tag for my themes? :)
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12:38:02JdGordona month ago :) and who knows... the random tag patch is in gerrit, have you tested it?
12:38:19JdGordon g#193
12:38:22fs-bluebotGerrit review #193 at : skin_engine: add a tag to get a random value by Jonathan Gordon (changes/93/193/1)
12:40:23lebelliumoops sorry for the late congratulation then :) I guess I already tried it at the time and the issue is that my album art changes every millisecond at random while I wanted it to be loaded only once when the track starts
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14:52:38[Saint]If I want to cherry pick a newer revision of a patch set from gerrit, need I ditch the old local changes first?
14:52:59[Saint]Or, does it "just work" like I assume it should?
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15:27:40freqmodbertrik: no progress yet today
15:28:24freqmodand next week we are going to our cabin, but i'll make sure that the latest changes are pushed to the git repo
15:29:15bertrikfreqmod, do you have any ideas about how to implement seeking?
15:29:45bertrikvorbisfile.c has an implementation we can steal perhaps
15:31:10bertrikgetting playback to work without seeking support for now would be very nice already of course
15:31:34freqmodi would defer seeking to stuff works
15:31:46freqmodcurrently i have a hackish algorithm for speex
15:32:01freqmodbut the vorbis algorithms are most likely superiour
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16:27:05freqmodI don't think i will rewrite the ogg framing code to not use malloc
16:27:11freqmodso i'll use the malloc version for now
16:27:22freqmodif somebody wants to write a parser without malloc feel free
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16:28:44bertrikok fine with me
16:28:47[Saint]Put it on Mr Someone's list
16:29:01freqmodit will be the same code as speex uses
16:29:18freqmodso it if someone fixes it both codecs can be fixed
16:29:32freqmodaccording to the rockbox page the vorbis codec uses lots of mallocs too
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19:00:17TheLemonMansliding windows ftw
19:00:44TheLemonManmight give a try once my new zip arrives :)
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19:04:00freqmodnow it works for one file in the simulator
19:04:09freqmodbut not on target
19:04:30freqmodand the memory allocation is a bit hackish, i needed to allocate the state structure on heap because the stack got full
19:05:50kugel[Saint]: i committed meier crossfeed by accident
19:06:22[Saint]kugel: aha.
19:06:40bertrikfreqmod, awesome!
19:06:40kugelwe left it in because everybody wanted it amyway
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19:11:15kugelJdGordon: i guess you're okay with the latest patch then?
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21:59:15freqmodis there any way to figure out how much of the stack the codec uses
21:59:34freqmodor increase the stack size available for the codec (at the expese of malloc-space)?
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22:27:37kugelfreqmod: i dont think you can increase the codec stack from within a codec
22:27:54kugelhowever, you can probably spawn a separate thread which can have its own stack
22:28:07freqmodsounds hackish
22:28:36kugelcan't you use a dumb malloc or tlsf if malloc is a problem?
22:28:40freqmodi get memory corruption problems for files which have higher bitrate
22:28:51freqmodthe problem is that the codec doesn't use malloc
22:29:04freqmodbut still gives corruption to kernel rockbox stuff in the simulator
22:29:32freqmodand it works in more cases if i allocate stuff with malloc rather than on the stack
22:30:07freqmodwhen i allocated the codec state on the stack i got a panic with some codecstack-like error message
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22:30:43kugelyou can watch stack usage in the debug menu
22:31:00freqmodi can try, for the parts which doesn't segfault :P
22:31:42kugelyou sure can increase the codec stack for debugging, you cannot do it from within a codec though
22:31:42freqmodit says 71% AFAIK
22:32:06gevaertsIIRC you get 9K of stack
22:32:25gevaertsYou could make it larger to help figuring out what happens
22:32:57freqmodcurrently i have a queue_wait->wong thread
22:33:09freqmodbut thank's i'll try to make it large and see if the problems persist
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23:26:40freqmodit helped on the simulator, but not on the target
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23:31:13saratogaare you allocating some big array on the stack somewhere? if so, maybe just stick it on the heap?
23:31:28saratogausually thats the problem in codecs since they don't tend to recurse much
23:33:10saratogabertrik, Torne: did either of you have some idea why the Clip+/Zip tend to crash on the data abort screen sometimes?
23:33:23saratoga(crash hard enough that they can't be rebooted by holding power)
23:33:25Tornei imagine the stack unwinder is touching something it shouldn't
23:33:32Torneand that happens with interrupts off, probably.
23:33:47saratogais there some way to make that safer?
23:34:01Torneput some logic in the unwinder's safe read functions to reject reads outside RAM
23:34:03bertrikI don't know what causes the crash
23:34:12Torneas well as trapping aborts the way it already does
23:34:12saratogaor actually just disable it on amsv2? a lot of users tend to think their player is bricked when it happens
23:34:39saratogai'd hate for someone to throw out their player or try the ams unbrick procedure just because we crashed with interrupts off
23:34:59saratogawhere is that code located?
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23:37:31bertrikfreqmod, can you commit ogg.h to your repo?
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23:38:11bertrikis it the same as in libtremor?
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23:43:03saratogais it possible to only disable some of the interrupts on AMS?
23:44:16bertrikfreqmod, also I seem to be missing os_types.h
23:44:23Tornesaratoga: we only have one interrupt stack, no?
23:44:33Torneif we take an irq/fiq while in abort mode the system is gonna get trashed.
23:45:11bertrikoh, that came in through my copy of ogg.h
23:45:51kugel[Saint], JdGordon: I updated g#184
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23:45:53fs-bluebotGerrit review #184 at : skin_engine: Support percentages for viewport positioning by Jonathan Gordon (changes/84/184/2)
23:46:45rocktriangleHello, I have a problem with the DAP saving song files where I last played them, could anyone tell me what the feature is officially called?
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