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#rockbox log for 2012-09-22

00:07:01CIA-10Commit 094eca6 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Announce 3.10 as release version for nano2g.
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00:11:33CIA-10094eca6 build result: All green
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02:19:10literal_usernameHi all. I'm a rockbox newb with a clip+ trying to install under linux using rbutil. It seems successful. Yet the device still boots to the OF. Any tips?
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03:42:23the-kyleliteral_username: Was your Clip+ in MSC mode before you patched the OF? MTP mode won't work, and for some reason, autodetect doesn't work either.
03:43:45the-kyleAlso, the firmware you need to patch isn't downloaded automatically. You will need to download it manually and use rbutil to patch it.
03:44:52the-kyleOnce Rockbox is installed, you should see a file called clppa.bin on your player. Unmount it and reboot to get the patched OF that will boot to Rockbox.
03:46:02the-kyleIf rbutil shows that the install was successful, you shouldn't need to do anything else. It should boot normally once you have a successful firmware update on the player.
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03:50:29literal_usernamethe-kyle: Yes, it is in force-MSC mode, which is why I'm able to mount it. I downloaded the firmware, and rbutil said it succeeded in patching and installing.
03:50:43literal_usernameclippa.bin does exist on the device.
03:51:00literal_usernamePerhaps I do not know how to reboot it.
03:51:22literal_usernameI've tried using the power button (it says "goodbye"), and then turning it back on. OF boots.
03:51:51literal_usernameI've tried holding down the menu button for 20 secs to force off. Then I hit the power button, and OF boots.
03:51:59the-kyleIs the file on the device called "clippa.bin" or "clippa.bin?" If the file has the wrong name, it won't upgrade properly.
03:52:19the-kyleSorry, is it "clippa.bin" or "clppa.bin?"
03:52:23literal_usernameIt is clppa.bin
03:52:45the-kyleGood. Let the OF do the upgrade and you should be good to go.
03:52:46literal_usernameI mistyped it before.
03:53:05literal_usernameHow do I get the OF to do the upgrade?
03:53:16the-kylePowering it up should work.
03:53:28literal_usernameHow do you reboot it?
03:53:52the-kyleOnce it is unplugged from the computer, just power it off and back on.
03:53:56literal_usernameI've tried the methods described above.
03:54:02literal_usernameThat does not work. OF boots.
03:54:39the-kyleYou may need to set MSC mode again to force it to upgrade.
03:54:54literal_usernameThe device is set to force MSC mode.
03:55:05literal_usernameI don't know how to force an upgrade though.
03:55:16literal_usernameIs that in the OF UI?
03:55:48literal_usernameAFAIK the patched firmware is loaded on the device but not booting.
03:55:49the-kyleNot sure either. It just worked for me. There may be a force upgrade or similar in the system settings, but I'm not sure.
03:56:11literal_usernameI've been through the dialogs on it. If it's there, it's hidden.
03:56:33literal_usernameHow do you reboot yours?
03:56:37literal_usernameJust using the power button?
03:56:49the-kyleYes. Shutdown and power on.
03:57:07the-kylePowering on is supposed to see the upgrade.
03:57:17literal_usernameIt doesn't.
03:57:41the-kyleDid rbutil give you any errors when patching the OF?
03:58:43literal_usernameI've tried this about 10 times or so now.
03:59:03literal_usernameInstall, then umount, then power off, then power on. Right?
03:59:14the-kyleMount your player again. You should see a file called upgrade.fin, and clppa.bin should be gone. If this is the case, try just the patch again.
03:59:44the-kyleYes, mount, patch, umount, power off, power on.
04:00:05the-kyleBe sure that clppa.bin is at the root of your device.
04:00:10literal_usernameIt is.
04:00:13literal_usernameI unplugged.
04:00:20literal_usernameIt's "refreshing your media..."
04:00:31literal_usernamePower off "goodbye"
04:00:38literal_usernamePower on
04:00:47the-kyleLooks good so far.
04:00:57literal_usernameNo rockbox splash.
04:01:03the-kyleNot yet.
04:01:05literal_usernameIt's a sansa splash.
04:01:11literal_usernameOkay... then what?
04:01:16the-kyleStuck there?
04:01:27literal_usernameIs there more?
04:01:43literal_usernameI'm on the home screen.
04:01:47literal_usernameIt says "music"
04:01:50literal_usernameIt's the OF.
04:02:01the-kyleOK. Now power off and reboot.
04:02:17literal_usernameJust did that, but I'll do it again...
04:02:44literal_usernamePower off "goodbye". Power on "sansa".
04:03:17the-kyleHmm. Are you just copying clppa.bin back to the player each time, or are you patching the OF with rbutil again?
04:03:28literal_usernameI'm using rbutil each time.
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04:03:50literal_usernameI haven't manually altered any of the files on the device.
04:03:59the-kyleHmmm. I'm at a loss at the moment.
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04:04:12literal_usernameI'm glad I'm not the only one at a loss.
04:04:19the-kyleI can't see anything you're doing wrong that would cause the player not to see your patch.
04:04:20literal_usernameThanks for your help fwiw.
04:04:39literal_usernameMaybe I'll try the manual install method.
04:04:47the-kyleCould help.
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04:05:03the-kyleI've done both, so maybe we'll get this.
04:06:31the-kyleOne further question: whenever you mount the player after it reboots into the OF, do you see a file called upgrade.fin in the root of the device?
04:07:44the-kyleclppa.bin is supposed to be replaced with upgrade.fin if the upgrade is successful.
04:08:11the-kyleThis indicates that something is going wrong with your OF patch maybe.
04:09:13the-kyleTry removing clppa.bin from the device and removing any zip files or bin files you have. Then try downloading the OF again and patching it.
04:12:30literal_usernameTrying once again. The firmware I'm using is as linked to from
04:13:14literal_usernamerm'ing .rockbox too from the device before starting.
04:13:56the-kyleYes, this sounds like the right OF. I'm currently looking to see if I can find my version. But I think mine was 01.02.15, but I did see where mkamsboot was updated to support 01.02.16.
04:14:23literal_usernamerbutil reports all success.
04:15:45literal_usernameQuit rbutil, umount, power off device, power on. "sansa" OF.
04:16:01the-kyleBack to the home screen?
04:16:49the-kyleDid it ever ask you for the location of the OF file to patch?
04:17:15literal_usernameIt reported the patch was successful.
04:17:35the-kyleThis is indeed strange. I can't find anything wrong with your installation.
04:17:57*the-kyle Googles.
04:18:08literal_usernameThere is a menu option in the OF UI to format the device.
04:18:18literal_usernameI wonder if that means factory restore, or what.
04:18:49the-kyleIt reformats the filesystem and should restore it to factory specs. Try that and then reinstall Rockbox from step 1.
04:19:07the-kyleI'll still Google to try to find your problem.
04:21:13literal_usernameWeird that "format" erased neither clppa.bin nor .rockbox
04:21:44the-kyleHmmm. This is beginning to sound like a defective device.
04:22:12literal_usernameWell, it plays music fine.
04:23:33the-kylemkamsboot will reject OF files which were not tested by us. If you try to patch a newer firmware then it supports, it will refuse. Use an older firmware in this case.
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04:23:56the-kyleThis from the wiki. But this doesn't seem to be the problem, since it reports the patch succeded.
04:23:56literal_usernameBut won't it report that failure?
04:25:29literal_usernameTried again after "format", same result.
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04:26:18literal_usernameThe device is running V01.02.17A, if that matters.
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04:26:45the-kyleIt does. That definitely means it isn't performing the update.
04:27:14*the-kyle wonders if it is noticing that the update version is older than the OF that was preloaded.
04:27:18literal_usernameI wonder if they changed the update detection with this version.
04:27:38the-kyleIt may detect the older version and refuse to update.
04:28:01literal_usernameI bet that's what's going on.
04:28:33the-kyleTry downloading 01.02.17a and see if it will patch. I don't think that OF is tested yet though.
04:29:21literal_usernameGot a link for that?
04:29:34literal_usernameI'm not seeing it.
04:30:17the-kyleOn second thought, it can't hurt to try downloading and unzipping 01.02.17a without patching. This would let you know if it's capable of updating to a version that is the same as the preloaded version.
04:30:32*the-kyle will look for a link.
04:31:55literal_usernameNot easily discoverable.
04:32:51the-kyleSo apparently, it is possible to Rockbox sansa firmware 01.02.17 using 01.02.16, so that doesn't seem to be the problem.
04:36:37literal_usernameI'm going to try loading .18.
04:36:46literal_usernameHow to do that without patching it?
04:36:57literal_usernameJust unzip and copy?
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04:38:41the-kyleIf the upgrade works, then you may be able to once again install the patched 01.02.16. It seems it doesn't like your clppa.bin file though for some reason.
04:39:12literal_usernameRebooting... no cigar.
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04:52:48literal_usernamethe-kyle: The Sandisk directions for manual firmware update are so straight-forward that I think perhaps the device is defective in some way.
04:57:18the-kyleIt definitely seems defective in some way. It almost seems like a firmware problem, but I can't be sure.
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08:03:17bluebrotherliteral_username: are you sure the clip+ is actually a clip+?
08:03:40bluebrotherwhat vid / pid values does it have?
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10:44:05n1sFrom a quick look at the opus code it seems like using iram and some asm for the various fixedpoint multiplication macros should help a bit. I profiled it on my h300 at 16 and 64 kbps and they are very different
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10:44:35n1sunfortunately the code is about as easy to read as tremor
10:44:54n1sand the memory allocation scheme is rather weird
10:50:39n1shere are the profiles if anyone cares
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10:55:15bertrikhow should I read that? I see some functions that have low % calls, but high % ticks
10:55:44bertrikdoes that mean for example, that those call *other* time-intensive functions?
10:56:03n1scalls is percentage of the total function calls, ticks is the percentage of time spent in that function
10:56:40n1scalls is just how many times that function is called
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15:14:08lebelliumIs there a UI simulator for the iRiver remote?
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15:31:20lebelliumah! maybe I should use the clip UI simulator for that?
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16:01:50n1slebellium: the iriver sims have remotes
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16:27:28lebelliumnls: Oh did not check that. I thought it was the same than the Fuze simulator I use
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16:40:55AlexPAre backdrops still bmp only?
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17:08:57bertrikMr Someone still has to do .png :)
17:09:27bertrikLast time I spoke with him, he didn't look very busy though
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18:20:10swiftkickgreetings and salutations!
18:21:21swiftkickSo, I'm a user now for several years of Rockbox on various Sansa hardware... e260 originally... now Fuze v1 and v2.
18:21:56swiftkickAnd I'm wondering, what are the latest and greatest devices with micro SD slot, that run Rockbox, that I can still find new in a brick & mortar store?
18:22:35swiftkickI can always go buy another sansa fuze refurb, but I'm wondering if theres anything newer and better.
18:22:56lebelliumI guess you can only buy a clip+ or clip zip brand new
18:23:09lebelliumthe Samsung R0 is a nice discontinued rockboxed device btw
18:23:16swiftkicksure, the clip, tho, isnt that one super tiny?
18:23:58lebelliumyes it is
18:24:04swiftkicknot like I care too much about the form factor but, really, thats the only one left thats still new???
18:24:29lebelliumthere is also the Fuze+
18:24:40lebelliumbut it's a touchpad player
18:24:43swiftkickoh yeah is that finally out of alpha/beta ?
18:24:58swiftkickI see it still listed in "Unstable"
18:25:14swiftkickand I get unstable results from Fuze v2
18:25:53swiftkicki have to double check my two fuze players, but one of them stays in rockbox firmware even after USB insertion
18:25:59lebelliumyes; that means there are some detail to fix and the user manual and/or the installation with the RB utility is not ready. But "unstable" means it's already usable for a daily use
18:26:47swiftkickthe problem with the one staying rockbox firmware is, windows almost never installs the driver for it. whereas if its in sansa mode, it almost always works.
18:27:45lebelliumthe USB on AMSv2 is quite unstable
18:27:54lebelliumbetter use the OF for file transferts
18:29:26swiftkickthanks for the tip. i tend not to use too many flash cards, i just have one that i periodically change.
18:29:36swiftkickchange meaning, delete & repopulate
18:31:59lebelliumwell If I'm not wrong, the only rockboxed devices having a microSD slot are the Sansa Clip+, Clip Zip, Fuze, Fuze+ and Samsung YP-R0. The Fuze and the R0 are discontinued
18:38:06pamaurysome generic rk27xx based players also have a sd slot. The zen x-fi 3 also has one and is rockboxed (though not officially for now)
18:38:49swiftkickyeah I wish that kind of data was on the web site somewhere =)
18:39:21lebelliumjust click on the "builds" link and you get a table with all builds for stable and unstable models
18:39:24swiftkickas much as I loves me some occasional hardware haxing (albeit moreso in the past) its tough to know which players have which chipsets and therefore might be supported
18:40:49lebelliumMaybe the Zen X-Fi 3 should be added on the homepage as unusable port?
18:40:54lebelliumadded to*
18:41:05swiftkickyeah theres nothing "zen" on the dev builds page
18:41:26lebelliumbuild page is only for stable and unstable ports
18:42:01swiftkickbtw the sansa c200 series also had micro SD
18:42:11swiftkickoh wait maybe its the e200 series
18:42:27swiftkickyeah the e200... dunno about the c200
18:44:21pamaurylebellium: I'm waiting to get my zen xfi-3 from bertrik to start hacking it again, it should be pretty much as stable as the fuze+, if not more
18:45:01lebelliumok great :)
18:46:48swiftkickwell thanks for the help guys! I need to run to the bank right now, but maybe I'll put off my purchase of yet another sansa product to find out more about the zen...
18:47:34pamaurylast time I checked the zen x-fi2 is already working more or less but it's an old player
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19:51:53bootlknvfcan rockbox be used when connected to a mac ??
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20:01:47bluebrotherhmm. Looks like the release status in build-info isn't updated automatically.
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20:02:48bluebrotherBagder / Zagor / anyone else with the required permissions: can you kick the server to update the release build-info part? I'd really like to confirm Rockbox Utility correctly handling different version numbers after merging g#315.
20:02:51fs-bluebotGerrit review #315 at : Announce 3.10 as release version for nano2g. by Dominik Riebeling (changes/15/315/1)
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20:10:13bluebrotherwhy do people change existing stuff when adding new strings to a translation?
20:10:55bluebrotherthere are 3 (well, 4 but I've rejected one because of missing realname) german translations in the tracker and every one changes existing strings
20:17:21literal_usernamebluebrother: Thanks for trying to help me out last night. A good night's sleep made my problem obvious. I normally keep another drive mounted, but it's disconnected at the moment. My clip appeared at /dev/sdb (the clip drive) and /dev/sdc (its sd card). I'm accustomed to sdb being the other drive, so I hadn't realized it was the clip. I had been foolishly trying to install to the sd card.
20:17:39literal_usernamethe-kyle: Thanks very much for your help too.
20:18:07bluebrotherok. Good to hear you figured it :)
20:18:14the-kyleSure. No problem. I didn't even think of the drive thing.
20:18:54the-kyleThe one thing I should have mentioned was that it could help to remove the SD from the slot when installing. It can minimize confusion.
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20:19:13literal_usernamethe-kyle: I'm embarassed to admit that would have helped.
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20:19:59the-kyleFunny thing was I thought of it, but never actually typed it. Can't figure out why.
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20:54:33bluebrotherhmm. It might be useful if the translation website could detect similar strings to help translating ...
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20:55:48bluebrotherlooks like some contributors weren't aware of the terms already used in the translation and used different ones. Which is ugly since it makes the translation inconsistent :/
20:57:29bluebrothergevaerts: seems is broken −− I always get an empty diff :o
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22:26:07CIA-10Commit 7ad7ed0 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Update german translation.
22:30:30CIA-107ad7ed0 build result: 5 errors, 0 warnings (Dominik Riebeling committed)
22:32:07CIA-10Commit d4ab7da in rockbox v3.12 by Dominik Riebeling: Update german translation.
22:32:39gevaertsmc2739: ping
22:32:52bluebrotherhmm. Build server acting up?
22:33:02bluebrotheror rather a build client
22:33:26gevaertsYes, mc2739's client
22:33:39gevaertsIf he doesn't fix it soon, I'll block it
22:33:53bluebrotherI was surprised how I broke the build :)
22:34:36bluebrothergevaerts: btw, did you notice not working properly? I always get an empty diff
22:34:50bluebrotherand the header has the URL
22:34:58bluebrotherwhich seems somewhat wrong :)
22:37:36gevaerts[Sat Sep 22 13:30:51 2012] [error] [client] PHP Notice: Undefined index: lang in /home/themes/translate/www/submit.php on line 7
22:37:39gevaerts[Sat Sep 22 13:30:51 2012] [error] [client] PHP Notice: Undefined index: lang in /home/themes/translate/www/submit.php on line 19
22:38:26bluebrothersounds, yes
22:39:46bluebrotherthough there is an <input type="hidden" name="lang" value="deutsch"/> in the form code
22:40:04bluebrothersome register_globals thing maybe?
22:40:57gevaertsRelated, possibly, but not that one I think
22:42:05bluebrotherhmm, it uses $_REQUEST['lang'], not $_POST
22:42:26bluebrothernot sure how $_REQUEST is supposed to behave though. I always used $_POST in those cases :)
22:43:01gevaertsAh, maybe _REQUEST stopped working in recent php?
22:43:30bluebrother5.3.0 Introduced request_order. This directive affects the contents of $_REQUEST.
22:43:41bluebrotherperhaps this change?
22:44:38bluebrotherah, depending on this setting it might not get set at all
22:45:08gevaertsJust using _POST doesn't help
22:45:48bluebrotherthough there also is variables_order ...
22:45:56bluebrothersounds like this doesn't include P
22:46:16bluebrotherassuming that this is the cause of course :)
22:47:04gevaertsHow do we find out?
22:48:07bluebrothercan you check variables_order and request_order in php.ini?
22:48:52gevaertsIf I'm looking at the correct php.ini, they are variables_order = "GPCS" and request_order = "GP"
22:49:40bluebrotherso it should be ok.
22:49:57bluebrotherperhaps apache can overwrite those?
22:50:19*bluebrother doesn't have any idea about this and is just guessing right now :(
22:53:21gevaertsIt does seem to work for me right now
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22:54:37*bluebrother tries again
22:54:45bluebrotherno, still the same problem here.
22:54:53gevaertsI have the firefox "it's all text" extension installed, and when I tell it to open the diff in the browser it goes wrong, but when I save it it's fine
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22:56:24bluebrotheroh? Maybe that's the problem for me too
22:56:42bluebrother(though I'm using the "Open in Browser" extension)
22:57:21bluebrotherit's fine if I save the file, it's broken if I open it in the browser.
22:57:29gevaertsI suspect those things don
22:57:34gevaerts't re-post the right things
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23:00:04bluebrotherlooks like.
23:00:15bluebrotherbut good to know it's not a problem of the website.
23:00:46*gevaerts nods
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