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00:07:01	CIA-10	Commit 094eca6 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Announce 3.10 as release version for nano2g.
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00:11:33	CIA-10	094eca6 build result: All green
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02:19:10	literal_username	Hi all. I'm a rockbox newb with a clip+ trying to install under linux using rbutil. It seems successful. Yet the device still boots to the OF. Any tips?
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03:42:23	the-kyle	literal_username: Was your Clip+ in MSC mode before you patched the OF? MTP mode won't work, and for some reason, autodetect doesn't work either.
03:43:45	the-kyle	Also, the firmware you need to patch isn't downloaded automatically. You will need to download it manually and use rbutil to patch it.
03:44:52	the-kyle	Once Rockbox is installed, you should see a file called clppa.bin on your player. Unmount it and reboot to get the patched OF that will boot to Rockbox.
03:46:02	the-kyle	If rbutil shows that the install was successful, you shouldn't need to do anything else. It should boot normally once you have a successful firmware update on the player.
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03:50:29	literal_username	the-kyle: Yes, it is in force-MSC mode, which is why I'm able to mount it. I downloaded the firmware, and rbutil said it succeeded in patching and installing.
03:50:43	literal_username	clippa.bin does exist on the device.
03:51:00	literal_username	Perhaps I do not know how to reboot it.
03:51:22	literal_username	I've tried using the power button (it says "goodbye"), and then turning it back on. OF boots.
03:51:51	literal_username	I've tried holding down the menu button for 20 secs to force off. Then I hit the power button, and OF boots.
03:51:59	the-kyle	Is the file on the device called "clippa.bin" or "clippa.bin?" If the file has the wrong name, it won't upgrade properly.
03:52:11	literal_username	clppa.bin
03:52:19	the-kyle	Sorry, is it "clippa.bin" or "clppa.bin?"
03:52:23	literal_username	It is clppa.bin
03:52:45	the-kyle	Good. Let the OF do the upgrade and you should be good to go.
03:52:46	literal_username	I mistyped it before.
03:53:05	literal_username	How do I get the OF to do the upgrade?
03:53:16	the-kyle	Powering it up should work.
03:53:28	literal_username	How do you reboot it?
03:53:52	the-kyle	Once it is unplugged from the computer, just power it off and back on.
03:53:56	literal_username	I've tried the methods described above.
03:54:02	literal_username	That does not work. OF boots.
03:54:39	the-kyle	You may need to set MSC mode again to force it to upgrade.
03:54:54	literal_username	The device is set to force MSC mode.
03:55:05	literal_username	I don't know how to force an upgrade though.
03:55:16	literal_username	Is that in the OF UI?
03:55:48	literal_username	AFAIK the patched firmware is loaded on the device but not booting.
03:55:49	the-kyle	Not sure either. It just worked for me. There may be a force upgrade or similar in the system settings, but I'm not sure.
03:56:11	literal_username	I've been through the dialogs on it. If it's there, it's hidden.
03:56:33	literal_username	How do you reboot yours?
03:56:37	literal_username	Just using the power button?
03:56:49	the-kyle	Yes. Shutdown and power on.
03:56:55	literal_username	Hmm...
03:57:07	the-kyle	Powering on is supposed to see the upgrade.
03:57:12	the-kyle	clppa.bin.
03:57:17	literal_username	It doesn't.
03:57:41	the-kyle	Did rbutil give you any errors when patching the OF?
03:57:52	literal_username	Nope.
03:58:00	the-kyle	Hmmm.
03:58:43	literal_username	I've tried this about 10 times or so now.
03:59:03	literal_username	Install, then umount, then power off, then power on. Right?
03:59:14	the-kyle	Mount your player again. You should see a file called upgrade.fin, and clppa.bin should be gone. If this is the case, try just the patch again.
03:59:21	the-kyle	upgrade.fin
03:59:44	the-kyle	Yes, mount, patch, umount, power off, power on.
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04:00:05	the-kyle	Be sure that clppa.bin is at the root of your device.
04:00:10	literal_username	It is.
04:00:13	literal_username	I unplugged.
04:00:20	literal_username	It's "refreshing your media..."
04:00:31	literal_username	Power off "goodbye"
04:00:38	literal_username	Power on
04:00:42	literal_username	"Sansa"
04:00:47	the-kyle	Looks good so far.
04:00:57	literal_username	No rockbox splash.
04:01:03	the-kyle	Not yet.
04:01:05	literal_username	It's a sansa splash.
04:01:11	literal_username	Okay... then what?
04:01:16	the-kyle	Stuck there?
04:01:27	literal_username	Is there more?
04:01:43	literal_username	I'm on the home screen.
04:01:47	literal_username	It says "music"
04:01:50	literal_username	It's the OF.
04:02:01	the-kyle	OK. Now power off and reboot.
04:02:17	literal_username	Just did that, but I'll do it again...
04:02:44	literal_username	Power off "goodbye". Power on "sansa".
04:02:46	literal_username	OF.
04:03:17	the-kyle	Hmm. Are you just copying clppa.bin back to the player each time, or are you patching the OF with rbutil again?
04:03:28	literal_username	I'm using rbutil each time.
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04:03:50	literal_username	I haven't manually altered any of the files on the device.
04:03:59	the-kyle	Hmmm. I'm at a loss at the moment.
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04:04:12	literal_username	I'm glad I'm not the only one at a loss.
04:04:19	the-kyle	I can't see anything you're doing wrong that would cause the player not to see your patch.
04:04:20	literal_username	Thanks for your help fwiw.
04:04:39	literal_username	Maybe I'll try the manual install method.
04:04:47	the-kyle	Could help.
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04:05:03	the-kyle	I've done both, so maybe we'll get this.
04:06:31	the-kyle	One further question: whenever you mount the player after it reboots into the OF, do you see a file called upgrade.fin in the root of the device?
04:07:24	literal_username	Negative.
04:07:44	the-kyle	clppa.bin is supposed to be replaced with upgrade.fin if the upgrade is successful.
04:08:11	the-kyle	This indicates that something is going wrong with your OF patch maybe.
04:09:13	the-kyle	Try removing clppa.bin from the device and removing any zip files or bin files you have. Then try downloading the OF again and patching it.
04:12:30	literal_username	Trying once again. The firmware I'm using is http://mp3support.sandisk.com/firmware/clipplus/clipplus01.02.16.zip as linked to from http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS
04:13:14	literal_username	rm'ing .rockbox too from the device before starting.
04:13:56	the-kyle	Yes, this sounds like the right OF. I'm currently looking to see if I can find my version. But I think mine was 01.02.15, but I did see where mkamsboot was updated to support 01.02.16.
04:14:23	literal_username	rbutil reports all success.
04:15:45	literal_username	Quit rbutil, umount, power off device, power on. "sansa" OF.
04:16:01	the-kyle	Back to the home screen?
04:16:05	literal_username	Yep.
04:16:49	the-kyle	Did it ever ask you for the location of the OF file to patch?
04:16:57	literal_username	Yes.
04:17:15	literal_username	It reported the patch was successful.
04:17:35	the-kyle	This is indeed strange. I can't find anything wrong with your installation.
04:17:57	*	the-kyle Googles.
04:18:08	literal_username	There is a menu option in the OF UI to format the device.
04:18:18	literal_username	I wonder if that means factory restore, or what.
04:18:49	the-kyle	It reformats the filesystem and should restore it to factory specs. Try that and then reinstall Rockbox from step 1.
04:19:04	literal_username	Ok.
04:19:07	the-kyle	I'll still Google to try to find your problem.
04:19:16	literal_username	Thanks.
04:21:13	literal_username	Weird that "format" erased neither clppa.bin nor .rockbox
04:21:44	the-kyle	Hmmm. This is beginning to sound like a defective device.
04:22:12	literal_username	Well, it plays music fine.
04:23:33	the-kyle	mkamsboot will reject OF files which were not tested by us. If you try to patch a newer firmware then it supports, it will refuse. Use an older firmware in this case.
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04:23:56	the-kyle	This from the wiki. But this doesn't seem to be the problem, since it reports the patch succeded.
04:23:56	literal_username	But won't it report that failure?
04:24:01	literal_username	Yes.
04:25:29	literal_username	Tried again after "format", same result.
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04:26:18	literal_username	The device is running V01.02.17A, if that matters.
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04:26:45	the-kyle	It does. That definitely means it isn't performing the update.
04:27:14	*	the-kyle wonders if it is noticing that the update version is older than the OF that was preloaded.
04:27:18	literal_username	I wonder if they changed the update detection with this version.
04:27:38	the-kyle	It may detect the older version and refuse to update.
04:27:42	literal_username	Sure.
04:28:01	literal_username	I bet that's what's going on.
04:28:33	the-kyle	Try downloading 01.02.17a and see if it will patch. I don't think that OF is tested yet though.
04:29:21	literal_username	Got a link for that?
04:29:34	literal_username	I'm not seeing it.
04:30:17	the-kyle	On second thought, it can't hurt to try downloading and unzipping 01.02.17a without patching. This would let you know if it's capable of updating to a version that is the same as the preloaded version.
04:30:32	*	the-kyle will look for a link.
04:31:55	literal_username	Not easily discoverable.
04:32:16	the-kyle	http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Sansa-Clip-Sansa-Clip/Sansa-Clip-Firmware-Update-01-02-17/td-p/279710
04:32:51	the-kyle	So apparently, it is possible to Rockbox sansa firmware 01.02.17 using 01.02.16, so that doesn't seem to be the problem.
04:33:12	literal_username	Hmm
04:36:37	literal_username	I'm going to try loading .18.
04:36:46	literal_username	How to do that without patching it?
04:36:57	the-kyle	http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Sansa-Clip-Sansa-Clip/Sansa-Clip-Firmware-Update-01-02-18/td-p/280756
04:36:57	literal_username	Just unzip and copy?
04:37:07	the-kyle	Yes.
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04:38:41	the-kyle	If the upgrade works, then you may be able to once again install the patched 01.02.16. It seems it doesn't like your clppa.bin file though for some reason.
04:39:12	literal_username	Rebooting... no cigar.
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04:52:48	literal_username	the-kyle: The Sandisk directions for manual firmware update are so straight-forward that I think perhaps the device is defective in some way. http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Sansa-Clip-Sansa-Clip/Sansa-Clip-Firmware-Update-01-02-18/td-p/280756
04:57:18	the-kyle	It definitely seems defective in some way. It almost seems like a firmware problem, but I can't be sure.
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08:03:17	bluebrother	literal_username: are you sure the clip+ is actually a clip+?
08:03:40	bluebrother	what vid / pid values does it have?
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10:44:05	n1s	From a quick look at the opus code it seems like using iram and some asm for the various fixedpoint multiplication macros should help a bit. I profiled it on my h300 at 16 and 64 kbps and they are very different
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10:44:35	n1s	unfortunately the code is about as easy to read as tremor
10:44:54	n1s	and the memory allocation scheme is rather weird
10:50:39	n1s	here are the profiles if anyone cares http://pastebin.com/LSsDTWVa
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10:55:15	bertrik	how should I read that? I see some functions that have low % calls, but high % ticks
10:55:44	bertrik	does that mean for example, that those call other time-intensive functions?
10:56:03	n1s	calls is percentage of the total function calls, ticks is the percentage of time spent in that function
10:56:40	n1s	calls is just how many times that function is called
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15:14:08	lebellium	Is there a UI simulator for the iRiver remote?
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15:31:20	lebellium	ah! maybe I should use the clip UI simulator for that?
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16:01:50	n1s	lebellium: the iriver sims have remotes
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16:27:28	lebellium	nls: Oh did not check that. I thought it was the same than the Fuze simulator I use
16:27:34	lebellium	thanks
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18:20:10	swiftkick	greetings and salutations!
18:21:21	swiftkick	So, I'm a user now for several years of Rockbox on various Sansa hardware... e260 originally... now Fuze v1 and v2.
18:21:56	swiftkick	And I'm wondering, what are the latest and greatest devices with micro SD slot, that run Rockbox, that I can still find new in a brick & mortar store?
18:22:35	swiftkick	I can always go buy another sansa fuze refurb, but I'm wondering if theres anything newer and better.
18:22:56	lebellium	I guess you can only buy a clip+ or clip zip brand new
18:23:09	lebellium	the Samsung R0 is a nice discontinued rockboxed device btw
18:23:16	swiftkick	sure, the clip, tho, isnt that one super tiny?
18:23:58	lebellium	yes it is
18:24:04	swiftkick	not like I care too much about the form factor but, really, thats the only one left thats still new???
18:24:29	lebellium	there is also the Fuze+
18:24:40	lebellium	but it's a touchpad player
18:24:43	swiftkick	oh yeah is that finally out of alpha/beta ?
18:24:58	swiftkick	I see it still listed in "Unstable"
18:25:14	swiftkick	and I get unstable results from Fuze v2
18:25:53	swiftkick	i have to double check my two fuze players, but one of them stays in rockbox firmware even after USB insertion
18:25:59	lebellium	yes; that means there are some detail to fix and the user manual and/or the installation with the RB utility is not ready. But "unstable" means it's already usable for a daily use
18:26:47	swiftkick	the problem with the one staying rockbox firmware is, windows almost never installs the driver for it. whereas if its in sansa mode, it almost always works.
18:27:45	lebellium	the USB on AMSv2 is quite unstable
18:27:54	lebellium	better use the OF for file transferts
18:29:26	swiftkick	thanks for the tip. i tend not to use too many flash cards, i just have one that i periodically change.
18:29:36	swiftkick	change meaning, delete & repopulate
18:31:59	lebellium	well If I'm not wrong, the only rockboxed devices having a microSD slot are the Sansa Clip+, Clip Zip, Fuze, Fuze+ and Samsung YP-R0. The Fuze and the R0 are discontinued
18:38:06	pamaury	some generic rk27xx based players also have a sd slot. The zen x-fi 3 also has one and is rockboxed (though not officially for now)
18:38:43	swiftkick	hmmm
18:38:49	swiftkick	yeah I wish that kind of data was on the web site somewhere =)
18:39:21	lebellium	just click on the "builds" link and you get a table with all builds for stable and unstable models
18:39:24	swiftkick	as much as I loves me some occasional hardware haxing (albeit moreso in the past) its tough to know which players have which chipsets and therefore might be supported
18:40:49	lebellium	Maybe the Zen X-Fi 3 should be added on the homepage as unusable port?
18:40:54	lebellium	added to*
18:41:05	swiftkick	yeah theres nothing "zen" on the dev builds page
18:41:26	lebellium	build page is only for stable and unstable ports
18:42:01	swiftkick	btw the sansa c200 series also had micro SD
18:42:11	swiftkick	oh wait maybe its the e200 series
18:42:27	swiftkick	yeah the e200... dunno about the c200
18:44:21	pamaury	lebellium: I'm waiting to get my zen xfi-3 from bertrik to start hacking it again, it should be pretty much as stable as the fuze+, if not more
18:45:01	lebellium	ok great :)
18:46:48	swiftkick	well thanks for the help guys! I need to run to the bank right now, but maybe I'll put off my purchase of yet another sansa product to find out more about the zen...
18:47:34	pamaury	last time I checked the zen x-fi2 is already working more or less but it's an old player
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19:51:53	bootlknvf	can rockbox be used when connected to a mac ??
19:52:10	bootlknvf	http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/iPod-classic-6th-Gen-Silver-80-GB-Rockbox-Mod-/261101077320?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_PortableAudio_MP3Players&hash=item3ccad64348
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20:01:47	bluebrother	hmm. Looks like the release status in build-info isn't updated automatically.
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20:02:48	bluebrother	Bagder / Zagor / anyone else with the required permissions: can you kick the server to update the release build-info part? I'd really like to confirm Rockbox Utility correctly handling different version numbers after merging g#315.
20:02:51	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #315 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/315 : Announce 3.10 as release version for nano2g. by Dominik Riebeling (changes/15/315/1)
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20:10:13	bluebrother	why do people change existing stuff when adding new strings to a translation?
20:10:55	bluebrother	there are 3 (well, 4 but I've rejected one because of missing realname) german translations in the tracker and every one changes existing strings
20:17:21	literal_username	bluebrother: Thanks for trying to help me out last night. A good night's sleep made my problem obvious. I normally keep another drive mounted, but it's disconnected at the moment. My clip appeared at /dev/sdb (the clip drive) and /dev/sdc (its sd card). I'm accustomed to sdb being the other drive, so I hadn't realized it was the clip. I had been foolishly trying to install to the sd card.
20:17:39	literal_username	the-kyle: Thanks very much for your help too.
20:18:07	bluebrother	ok. Good to hear you figured it :)
20:18:14	the-kyle	Sure. No problem. I didn't even think of the drive thing.
20:18:54	the-kyle	The one thing I should have mentioned was that it could help to remove the SD from the slot when installing. It can minimize confusion.
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20:19:13	literal_username	the-kyle: I'm embarassed to admit that would have helped.
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20:19:59	the-kyle	Funny thing was I thought of it, but never actually typed it. Can't figure out why.
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20:54:33	bluebrother	hmm. It might be useful if the translation website could detect similar strings to help translating ...
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20:55:48	bluebrother	looks like some contributors weren't aware of the terms already used in the translation and used different ones. Which is ugly since it makes the translation inconsistent :/
20:57:29	bluebrother	gevaerts: seems translate.rockbox.org is broken −− I always get an empty diff :o
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22:26:07	CIA-10	Commit 7ad7ed0 in rockbox by Dominik Riebeling: Update german translation.
22:30:30	CIA-10	7ad7ed0 build result: 5 errors, 0 warnings (Dominik Riebeling committed)
22:32:07	CIA-10	Commit d4ab7da in rockbox v3.12 by Dominik Riebeling: Update german translation.
22:32:39	gevaerts	mc2739: ping
22:32:52	bluebrother	hmm. Build server acting up?
22:33:02	bluebrother	or rather a build client
22:33:26	gevaerts	Yes, mc2739's client
22:33:39	gevaerts	If he doesn't fix it soon, I'll block it
22:33:53	bluebrother	I was surprised how I broke the build :)
22:34:36	bluebrother	gevaerts: btw, did you notice translate.rockbox.org not working properly? I always get an empty diff
22:34:50	bluebrother	and the header has the URL
22:34:51	bluebrother	http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=history;f=apps/lang/.lang;hb=HEAD
22:34:58	bluebrother	which seems somewhat wrong :)
22:37:36	gevaerts	[Sat Sep 22 13:30:51 2012] [error] [client 92.226.71.178] PHP Notice: Undefined index: lang in /home/themes/translate/www/submit.php on line 7
22:37:39	gevaerts	[Sat Sep 22 13:30:51 2012] [error] [client 92.226.71.178] PHP Notice: Undefined index: lang in /home/themes/translate/www/submit.php on line 19
22:37:43	gevaerts	Related?
22:38:26	bluebrother	sounds, yes
22:39:46	bluebrother	though there is an <input type="hidden" name="lang" value="deutsch"/> in the form code
22:40:04	bluebrother	some register_globals thing maybe?
22:40:57	gevaerts	Related, possibly, but not that one I think
22:42:05	bluebrother	hmm, it uses $_REQUEST['lang'], not $_POST
22:42:26	bluebrother	not sure how $_REQUEST is supposed to behave though. I always used $_POST in those cases :)
22:43:01	gevaerts	Ah, maybe _REQUEST stopped working in recent php?
22:43:30	bluebrother	5.3.0 Introduced request_order. This directive affects the contents of $_REQUEST.
22:43:41	bluebrother	perhaps this change?
22:44:38	bluebrother	ah, depending on this setting it might not get set at all
22:44:52	bluebrother	http://php.net/manual/en/ini.core.php#ini.request-order
22:45:08	gevaerts	Just using _POST doesn't help
22:45:15	bluebrother	:(
22:45:48	bluebrother	though there also is variables_order ...
22:45:56	bluebrother	sounds like this doesn't include P
22:46:16	bluebrother	assuming that this is the cause of course :)
22:47:04	gevaerts	How do we find out?
22:48:07	bluebrother	can you check variables_order and request_order in php.ini?
22:48:52	gevaerts	If I'm looking at the correct php.ini, they are variables_order = "GPCS" and request_order = "GP"
22:49:40	bluebrother	so it should be ok.
22:49:57	bluebrother	perhaps apache can overwrite those?
22:50:19	*	bluebrother doesn't have any idea about this and is just guessing right now :(
22:53:16	gevaerts	hmm
22:53:21	gevaerts	It does seem to work for me right now
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22:54:45	bluebrother	no, still the same problem here.
22:54:53	gevaerts	I have the firefox "it's all text" extension installed, and when I tell it to open the diff in the browser it goes wrong, but when I save it it's fine
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22:56:24	bluebrother	oh? Maybe that's the problem for me too
22:56:42	bluebrother	(though I'm using the "Open in Browser" extension)
22:57:08	bluebrother	indeed.
22:57:21	bluebrother	it's fine if I save the file, it's broken if I open it in the browser.
22:57:29	gevaerts	I suspect those things don
22:57:34	gevaerts	't re-post the right things
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23:00:04	bluebrother	looks like.
23:00:15	bluebrother	but good to know it's not a problem of the website.
23:00:46	*	gevaerts nods
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