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01:10:23funmanthe-kyle: at which bitrate?
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09:42:20bluebrother^still no 3.12? Did we run into further issues or simply lack of time?
09:45:30bluebrother^AlexP: ^
09:51:40wodzwe should either skip it or release ASAP
09:52:46bluebrother^well, are there further issues holding it back? I wasn't able following much of IRC lately
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09:57:12wodzAFAIK no serious fixes went in for a week or so
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10:31:31bluebrother^oh, it's already 5 months since 3.11. Maybe just release 3.12 at the end of october :)
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10:40:05Raptorspamaury, been waiting so long for you to come online
10:40:12Raptorshow is the Fuze + port going?
10:40:34RaptorsHas the input been improves or is it still a dpad?
10:41:20Raptors(I bought the Fuze+ because the referb fuze originals got sold out) and it was the cheapest MP3 out there (all of the at this price point other than Fuze orignal look pretty bad IMO so I got this)
10:42:27RaptorsOnly other question I have other than that is how accurate is the 10 hour battery life spec listed on the site?
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10:42:48Raptorsfor rockbox
10:51:07RaptorsAlso asking because that page hasn't changed in ages
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10:51:53pamauryRaptors: it last more than 10 hours
10:52:35pamauryit's closer to 17 hours
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10:53:39pamaurythe input is still the same, didn't have the time and the motivation to improve it; appart from that everything is working except recording and cpu frequency scaling, more or less
10:53:40Raptorspamaury, kk, that's not terrible (well worse than original but then again port isn't 100%)
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10:54:48RaptorsYou should really try to get around to improving the input. It's like the most broken thing about the Fuze+.
10:55:12RaptorsWell focus on that when you have the time anyways
10:56:29pamaurythanks for reporting the battery runtime, I'll umdate the page
10:56:41pamauryhow long lasts the OF ? (in practice, not theory)
10:56:58Raptorsnot sure. Mine is still in the mail
10:57:26Raptors1 sec
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11:00:42wodzpamaury: could you pastebin your work on rk27xx usb somewhere so I could look?
11:01:00pamaurysure, wait a minute. I've not gone very far
11:02:46Raptorspamaury, is there someone else who is also working on the fuze?
11:03:24pamaurythere was Jean-Louis Biasini but he is very busy currently
11:05:04Raptors1 last question. Did the original firmware update (the 2011 update) fix the lag issues on the Fuze+ or is it the same?
11:05:26RaptorsI heard some people saying it was improved but there are zero videos on the new update
11:06:43pamaurywodz: pamaury/rockbox-1/tree/rk27xx-usb">
11:07:23pamauryI have no idea, I never use the OF and I always felt that is was slow anyway
11:07:58pamaurywodz: my main problem is that I never ever get a setup interrupt
11:08:46Raptorswell hopefully in the next year or so you can update the input. That would be awesome. I really don't see why they created the Fuze+ the way they did. The Fuze original was perfect
11:10:00RaptorsWell I'm going to sleep, keep up the awesome work. :)
11:13:09wodzpamaury: ok, I look at this when I'll be to frustrated with elf stuff :-)
11:14:17pamaurywhat I don't understand is that I do the same thing as the sdk you gave me does (I think)
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11:21:06wodzpamaury: considering we have resolved lcd dma stuff which super weird, I think we will find out how to use usb on this
11:21:15wodz*which was
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11:25:19pixelmainteresting, I would've thought that "remote show icons" would be a setting but it isn't there on my M5 either
11:27:59pixelmaIMO it would make sense to have the two seperately as the remote screens are smaller
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11:37:35*bluebrother^ wonders if there is a way to run a build client that only gets announcements
11:40:19n1sBuschel: i have that same change to deemphasis in my patch to add a cf asm version of it but never got around to bench that separately :)
11:44:34lorenzo92pamaury: wanted to have a look at imxtools, our mx37 must be put in a "recovery mode" using a 300kohm does it work in your player?
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11:45:01lorenzo92*the resistor is used by a chip (usb, accessory detector etc)
11:45:50n1sthe possible overflow risk in troduced in the earlier patch would be in the addition of x before the multiplication so using proper multipy accumulate or not won't matter
11:46:59Buschelyou're right.
11:47:21Buscheli somehow missed that fact
11:47:25n1sBuschel: oh, and your editor seems to indent with tabs insted of the three O_o spaces used in the opus code :)
11:47:46Buschelhmm, i need to re-configure it
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11:49:08Buschelok, done :)
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11:50:00Buscheln1s: you saw the profiling results?
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11:51:27n1sBuschel: yes
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11:52:34Buschelas expected the multiplication intense functions rule on pp.
11:53:38n1syes, judging from the ffmpeg fft stuff, coding the hot functions in asm would give quite nice speedups
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11:55:43pamaurylorenzo92: using the volume up key
11:56:05pamauryon the imx233, power and volume up are wired to PSWITCH with different voltages
11:56:36n1slooking at the pointer offset stuff in comb_filter, i think using pointers like x0 = x+i-T0 and x1 = x+i-T1 would perhaps be a little faster, at least on cf (assuming gcc doesn't do this already)
11:56:49Buscheli am interested if the profiling looks similar on cf. or if we maybe missed another function which is slowed down by not having a variable on stack
11:57:38n1sBuschel: did you profile with your patch?
11:58:30Buscheln1s: my patch already has such idx0 = overlap-T1 stuff in it.
11:58:47Buschelor are you talking of another implementation?
12:00:01n1sBuschel: i was just thinking about using separate pointers with the offsets added to them instead of indexing but i should check what gcc does, it's usually fairly good at that at least
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12:02:52Buschelwell, i think if we introduce asm using load-multiple the solution with 2 idx variables becomes obvious :)
12:03:14n1si'll profile with your latest patch on the h300
12:03:20lorenzo92pamaury: okay, indeed this player is non-standard xD anyways need to try out the load on the fly feature :)
12:03:40lorenzo92pamaury: need to understand how to prefare files, tough
12:04:28pamauryprepare files you mean ?
12:05:26lorenzo92eh for example, let's assume I want to run the original bootloader through the usb
12:05:36lorenzo92I have the bin file
12:05:49lorenzo92need to send to device ram initialization or so right?
12:06:02lorenzo92because from readme I cannot really understand
12:07:16n1smeh HEAD is broken
12:07:17pamauryyou need to send the file to the device, it should already contain everything
12:07:39n1swho's Richard Quirk?
12:07:40pamaury(if it works the same way as the imx233)
12:07:46lorenzo92yes it should indeed...
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12:08:22lorenzo92because last time I had a problem, wait I'll try to reproduce it again
12:09:08pamauryyou should know however than booting the entire original bootloader though usb might not work
12:10:52lorenzo92pamaury: Found a match for 15a2:002c
12:10:53lorenzo92Transfer size: 1024
12:10:55lorenzo92transfer error at init step
12:11:10lorenzo92pamaury: that's it!
12:11:20pamauryhmm, perhaps it is not using the same protocol ?
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12:11:41pamauryis it working ?
12:11:48n1swe really need build result announcement back, people don't notice reds anymore
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12:16:00lorenzo92pamaury: I don't know :(
12:16:18lorenzo92pamaury: do you have any ideas?
12:16:27pamaurythere is a windows tool to send a file in recovery mode
12:16:36pamauryyou could try it
12:17:41mgottschlagI had problems with usbhid blocking all transfers
12:18:02mgottschlagI had to rmmod the linux driver, prevent it from loading and replug the device
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12:18:14lorenzo92pamaury: which name is?
12:18:23mgottschlagsame error though ("transfer error at init step")
12:18:28pamaurysbloader, I'm trying to find the link for you
12:20:18pamauryand there is sbtool also which works on linux
12:20:39pamauryhmm, no, that's another tool sorry
12:21:20lorenzo92pamaury: I have found sb_loader
12:22:06pamauryperfect, the problem is: in theory it supports only imx23/28/50/60
12:27:32lorenzo92pamaury: I think it should work, of course it doesn't find my device atm
12:27:42lorenzo92but should work with rockbox implementatio too uhm
12:28:07pamaurythe rockbox implementation is really a hack, based on reverse engineering mainly
12:29:14pamaurythe source code of sb_loader is available, you could try to modify it to allow the tool to find your device
12:29:36lorenzo92yes it's available, but I don't have any sdk on my virtual machine
12:29:50lorenzo92will give a look ;=) thanks for the infos!
12:31:01pamaurythere might be another solution: there is the imx_atk_tool
12:31:29pamauryit allows to flash the device but that's secondary: to do so you need to plug your device in recovery mode and it sends code
12:31:52pamauryif imx_atk_tool is capable of running of code on it, then you can sniff the usb packets
12:32:03pamaury(or read the source code which I'm trying to find)
12:32:39wodzoh gosh - parsing elf for mpegplayer.rock -> section[3]: number of relocations: 2449
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12:51:17wodzTorne: what is the symbol of type SHN_COMMON and how to deal with it?
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12:57:31n1sheh, with profiling it's decoding at a whooping 10% realtime
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13:11:30lorenzo92pamaury: indeed. that works. but is it normal that uploading the original bootloader doesn't display anything?
13:11:44lorenzo92pamaury: I know this tool...btw
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13:19:13n1sBuschel: nicer version
13:20:04n1saccording to this the mdct+fft takes 65% of the total cputime :)
13:20:30Buschelyes, looks quite similar to pp. but comb_filter uses twice as much % on cf
13:22:25n1sthe 65% is probably slightly exaggerated as function calls are somewhat expensive
13:23:48n1si'd guess something like 50-55% is closer to reality but it's still a lot
13:27:52Buscheldo you think the 65% is an effect of splitting mdct and ifft into different functions?
13:29:09Buschelit should not, the seperate perecentages add up to what i've measured before splitting them
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13:33:23wodzdoesn't he mean the lack of inlining in profiling builds?
13:35:44n1sboth i think, function calls have more overhead on cf than arm
13:38:40Buschelfrom the profilings on pp or cf i can see easy area of improvement anymore. seems like the next steps will be writing asm...
13:38:54Buschel"no easy area"
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13:43:29n1syeah, looks like it
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13:45:08n1sanyway, gcc is spilling all the gain vars to the stack in comb_filter for cf so it looks like it could be improved quite a bit
13:45:10Buschelthe mdct pre- and post-rotation looks like a good starting poiint for asm'ing
13:45:32Buschellot of cpu-time and a quite simple loop
13:46:27Buschelwill you submit/push the open changes? this will make it easier to maintain local changes
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13:48:48n1si think the comb_filter part is good to go so i'll just bench it on some players and push that first, i like keeping logical changes separate
13:49:30Buscheldefinately. in case of any upcoming issues this is easier to bisect
13:49:32n1sit would also be nice if someone could fix git HEAD so it builds :/
13:52:11bluebrotheroh, that patch was merged?
13:53:42*bluebrother looks
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13:56:06bluebrotherwtf does this sleep timer thing do?
13:56:39bluebrotheror to be more exact, why is there a setting fiddling with it?
13:56:49wodzcalls on cf are more expensive as all args goes through the stack while on arm first 4? are passed in registers
13:57:05n1sisn't sleep timer the "if you didn't touch anything for x minutes, i'll sut off" thing?
13:57:16bluebrotherafaiu, yes
13:57:48wodzthere was a switch to gcc to force passing some args in regs on CF but IIRC it always brings troubles
13:58:08n1swodz: yeah, also i'd guess icache misses are more likely with separate functions than when they're inlined
13:59:32n1swodz: didn't know that, iicr ther's an amiga (or something) fork of gcc for m68k that uses a different abi with register arg passing but it's really old
14:01:19*bluebrother tries
14:02:26bluebrotherIMO set_sleep_timer and set_sleeptimer_duration are somewhat ... confusing
14:02:42bluebrothercalling the latter something like set_sleep_timer_mins would have been better IMO.
14:03:03*bluebrother pushes
14:06:01n1swhat does the first one do?
14:07:28wodzn1s: can't find this option in current gcc doc - maybe it was a patch, can't remember now.
14:07:49n1swodz: ah
14:08:18n1sswitching now would be quite a lot of work as much of the existing asm would need to be adapted
14:09:27bluebrothern1s: green again :)
14:09:38n1sbluebrother: great, thanks :)
14:09:47wodzn1s: anyway coldfire is legacy platform in DAPs so there is little sense in investing time in some intrusive optimizations.
14:10:06bluebrotherthough I really don't understand why this change was merged −− obviously someone didn't even try ONE single build :(
14:14:40n1swodz: yeah, that's true
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14:52:24AlexPbluebrother: Did anyone do the German translation yet?
14:53:10AlexPAnd yeah, I don't have time to do release stuff during the week (work and all that)
14:53:15AlexPAnd sometime not at the weekend
14:53:28AlexPBut I plan to have a look at it today, and hopefully get it out
14:54:22AlexPalso, where is CIA?
14:54:36AlexPAnd I still don't seem to be getting commit email, are those supposed to be working now?
14:54:48n1sCIA is gone
14:55:11AlexPjust the bot in here, or the entire service?
14:55:17n1sentire thing
14:55:47AlexPSo we could do with our own bot in the meantime
14:56:26n1syeah, once you're used to having bots life is hard withput them :)
14:56:33AlexPanyone know about commit emails?
14:57:00AlexPI've largely stopped following what is going on as I no longer get it handily to my inbox
14:57:11AlexPWhich is since we switched to git
14:57:38n1si remember it being discussed but not if there was a resolution
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15:06:30kugelthe rds related bug is worrying
15:07:44AlexPin master only or release branch too?
15:07:55wodzas well as particular themes affecting usb
15:09:03AlexPbluebrother: Sorry, I see you did German ages ago
15:09:12AlexPSee, lack of commit emails flumux me! :)
15:11:15kugelAlexP: both
15:11:22AlexPWhat bug is it?
15:12:56Buscheln1s: thanks for pushing the latest changes. will you push some more (celt.c / fixed_generic.h) or can i merge now?
15:13:24n1sBuschel: not now at least, maybe later or tomorrow
15:13:47n1syou'll likely have conflicts since i fixed the indentation
15:14:26Buschelthat's quickly done
15:15:08lebelliumAlexP: FS #12759
15:15:09fs-bluebot Various RDS issues (Clip Zip, YP-R0) (bugs, unconfirmed)
15:15:29lebelliumkugel: the RDS patch looks ready to be merged?
15:15:56AlexPgevaerts: You there?
15:22:52n1sBuschel: btw, setting up the gerrit stuff isn't all that hard :)
15:24:37bluebrotherAlexP: IIRC Zagor said commit emails are enabled these days. But it seems at least a couple of people don't get them (me included)
15:25:09AlexPI'm signed up with two accounts and I don't get them on either
15:25:13Buscheli was already on it after i register for an OpenID. but gerrit did not accept my OpenID from that site. since then i did not work on this...
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15:28:59n1sBuschel: did you ask Torne about that?
15:30:37Buschelno, i just dropped the task then and deleted my OpenID account at that site. i am not quite sure though if i really want to register at google...
15:31:08n1swell afaik any OpenID site should work
15:31:36n1sso this should be fixable
15:31:57*amiconn is running his own openid server
15:32:37n1samiconn: does it work with gerrit?
15:33:42Buschelyou had to ask Torne to get it supported?
15:34:23n1sBuschel: maybe you can get an account on amiconns server :)
15:34:37Buschelamiconn: would this be possible?
15:34:40amiconnI just put the url into the login box, and the openid stuff does the rest
15:35:11bluebrotherAlexP: I was considering to add some (simple) build status support to my bot using the output of the build server. Though unfortunately the build server doesn't tell about the success / failure result
15:35:36amiconnI'm using simpleid (which just requires a http server and php)
15:36:15AlexPbluebrother: How did CIA plug into it?
15:36:30bluebrotherAlexP: afaik the build server triggered it.
15:36:42AlexPah, ok
15:37:09Buschelmaybe i'll just ask Torne what has gone with my former account / server
15:37:10bluebrotherthough CIA could poll the repository (iirc it did this at the beginning, making it somewhat less responsive)
15:38:23Buscheleven though it is quite comfortable to have someone merging and pushing ;)
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15:47:14pablo123456Guys, I have white screen on my hifiman 601 slim after upgrade to rockbox. Computer doesnt recognise the device. Can somebody help me? Thanks
15:54:08AlexPIs the AMSv2 USB instability clip+ and fuze?
15:54:54gevaertsAlexP: also clipv2
15:54:59AlexPgevaerts: thanks
15:55:00gevaerts(and fuzev2 only)
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15:55:50wodzpablo123456: you need to catch mortalis
15:55:51funmanclip zip seems to work fine
15:56:30n1si have usb instability on my fuzev1 (v1 is not amsv2 though)
15:56:57n1salso it only connects via usb when connecting while it's off, otherwise it just charges
15:57:26gevaertsn1s: related to FS #12184?
15:57:27fs-bluebot Fuze V1 locking when transferring files Rockbox 3.9 (bugs, unconfirmed)
15:58:31n1sgevaerts: sounds like it
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15:59:18n1smight be an sd problem too, as i think it's only happening when writing to the sd
16:00:58zahari_bgrHi guys, Is there a way for blind person to read status bar on Sandisk Sansa Clip Plus or Clip Zip?
16:02:22n1szahari_bgr: not as such but in the System->Rockbox Info screen there's some info that's also voiced
16:06:22zahari_bgrn1s I need to know when a recording is in progress, and optionally how many time is past from the start. Is it possible?
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16:07:40n1szahari_bgr: i don't know if voice works while recording, but i expect it will not
16:12:37zahari_bgrn1s I don't know - I don't have it in my hands right now. I also could not find any special hot keys for blind person to read certain not focusable controls. Are there any?
16:17:17n1szahari_bgr: i don't think so
16:19:43AlexPPriliminary release notes, please edit:
16:20:26zahari_bgrn1s Thank you for your fast response.
16:21:19n1sthe voice ui could be improved a lot but i don't think anyone is working on it sadly
16:36:58zahari_bgrAnd what is wall clock announce? There is a string in the .lang files for that - spoken only, but when?
16:41:54n1szahari_bgr: seems that is spoken in the time & date screen if pressing the context button, which is probably a long press of select
16:45:39zahari_bgrn1s Yes, I've just found it.
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17:26:20bluebrotherAlexP: 3.12 planned for today?
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17:27:10AlexPbluebrother: yep
17:27:25bluebrotherok, then my change to the release notes page should match :)
17:27:31AlexPJust building now, although some of the targets are giving font and bmp releated theme errors :/
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17:28:28bluebrotherhmm, I'm wondering if there is a way to make the ReleaseNotes wiki page use the correct sorting ...
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17:42:26AlexPbluebrother: Do you remember what the replacement for tools/release/ was?
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17:50:05gevaertskugel: bc7ff53eab7341035d5128999576b5987eb2bbe8 makes some builds (such as h120) show errors during make zip
17:50:38AlexPThey seem OK though I think
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17:54:41AlexPgevaerts: utils/common/
17:55:21gevaertsAlexP: I'll respond with utils/common/!
17:55:27AlexPaha :)
17:55:41AlexPI was looking through old logs, so probably haven't made it to that yet :)
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17:56:54AlexPafter tagging from reading it
18:00:34AlexPoh, maybe not
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18:15:48AlexPyes it does :)
18:15:51*AlexP flip flops
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18:17:15bigfoot-Hi. Are there any hot-fixes for the current iPod Nano 2g USB crash?
18:19:04bigfoot-did it work at some point in time? :) then I could build an older version from the git repo.
18:19:17AlexPyes, 3.10 works
18:19:26AlexPand Rockbox Utiity should offer that to you
18:19:37AlexPThe most recent version of Rockbox Utility that is
18:19:39bigfoot-no, I can only install the dev version from the installer
18:19:52AlexPWhat version of rbutil?
18:20:33bigfoot-the version pulldown doesn't offer anything else than current dev once I configure it for the ipod nano 2g
18:20:42bigfoot-the current release, 1.3.0 64bit linux
18:20:55AlexPSomething clearly needs doing
18:20:59AlexPIt will offer it very soon
18:21:02AlexPbluebrother: ?
18:21:07bigfoot-thanks :)
18:22:10AlexPHmmm, that was merged on 21/09
18:22:23AlexPDoes the website need updating to make use of it?
18:22:37*AlexP summons Zagor
18:22:47bigfoot-did someone already try to pinpoint the commit that broke USB on the ipod nano 2g? (maybe git bisect)
18:22:58AlexPThere was a general USB rework
18:23:05bigfoot-ah, I see.
18:23:27AlexPSo I think it is known what broke it in general, but not specifically what
18:23:41AlexPIf you see what I mean
18:25:22gevaertsThere are or have been several overlapping issues, so a simple git bisect has proven rather useless
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18:35:41bigfoot-hmm, unfortunate that there's no ipod nano 2g manual installation documentation on
18:36:20gevaertsThere is in
18:36:39bigfoot-I guess I need to install the boot loader via the utility, and then manually unzip the 3.10 firmware zip?
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18:38:05bluebrotherAlexP: the server information needs to be updated for Rockbox Utility to know about it. Seems this doesn't happen automatically
18:38:14AlexPbluebrother: OK, thanks
18:38:26bluebrotherbigfoot-: you can also install a development build with Rockbox Utility, then unzip 3.10 on top of it manually afterwards
18:38:35AlexPAll the 3.12 files are uploaded, so we need a Swede to move the files
18:38:55bluebrothersince the latter is the way of updating, and downgrading obviously works the same way :)
18:39:10AlexPThen I'll need to edit tools/ to announce 3.12 so when the update is done after that RBUtil should start to offer 3.10
18:39:26AlexPfor the Nano 2G :)
18:40:52bluebrotherthough I've never been able to test it live :D
18:41:05AlexPHopefully we will soon :)
18:41:29bigfoot-gevaerts: thanks.
18:41:33bluebrotherhmm, Rockbox Utility will likely show nonsense for the release description for 3.10 then though.
18:41:40bluebrotheror ... is it using that at all?
18:41:52*bluebrother thinks not, which would be the best :)
18:42:05AlexPIt just says "This is the latest stable release available" here
18:42:13AlexPWhich will still be true :)
18:42:36bluebrotherah, then it doesn't use the release date from :)
18:42:46AlexPDoesn't seem to
18:43:00bluebrothermakes more sense anyway, since we then can translate the string
18:43:23AlexPAh, we will also need to remove the existing RC
18:44:25AlexPRight, if anyone spots Zagor come in let me know :)
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19:14:58kugelthe rds bug should be at least in the known bugs section if we release anyway
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19:22:37pamaurybluebrother: did I talk to you about string factoring in rockbox utility ?
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19:28:09lebelliumthis link in customWPS looks dead;a=blob;f=apps/metadata.h;hb=HEAD
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19:45:49bluebrotherpamaury: hmm. Possible. About strings in the bootloader classes?
19:46:05bluebrotherI think you mentioned it some time ago :)
19:47:01pamauryI don't remember your answer, would you be against it ? I'm not asking you to do the job, I can provide a proof of concept
19:47:22bluebrotherif done properly I don't have problems with that
19:47:34bluebrotheras long as it's clear for the translator where the strings show up ...
19:47:44bluebrother(which is usually retrieved from the class information)
19:48:23bluebrotherso if there's a proof of concept I would definitely give it a look :)
19:48:47bluebrotherthough I'm pretty low on time for Rockbox stuff these days. And I want to get autodetection reworked ...
19:49:26pamauryok, I'll try to do something soon, my memory is still fresh after having translated so many strings
19:50:29bluebrotherfortunately linguist is quite helpful on duplicated strings :)
19:50:51pamauryyes, fortunately !
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20:20:50wodzgevaerts: ping
20:21:03*gevaerts jumps
20:21:50wodzgevaerts: another makefile issue - is there a way other then editing separate makefiles to add -mlong-calls to plugins which have separate dirs?
20:22:24wodzgevaerts: mpegplayer for example
20:23:07gevaertsPLUGINFLAGS, possibly?
20:23:21*wodz tries
20:23:56kugelif *.make is written properly it doesnt ignore PLUGINFLAGS
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20:38:22wodzok, mpegplayer links $(CODECDIR)/libmad-mpeg.a which isn't built with -mlong-calls
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20:52:20wodzkugel: I need to allocate temporarily up to 0x10000 bytes for symtab when loading elf. This will be short living allocation. Can I use buflib somehow?
20:57:47AlexPWhere are default settings defined?
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21:13:41bluebrotherAlexP: I think somewhere in the readability of settings_list.c
21:14:45AlexPbluebrother: ah yes, the header suggests as much, thanks
21:17:30*wodz updated g#326 if someone is interested
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21:21:15AlexPIs a) correct and b) all that would be needed if one wanted to set prevent clipping to on by default for replaygain?
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21:40:37amayerif you guys have a chance to check out g#325 let me know if its a good idea or not
21:40:39fs-bluebotGerrit review #325 at : Make Cabbiev2 enable icons when selected by Alex Mayer (changes/25/325/2)
21:42:40AlexPYes, I think it should
21:43:20AlexPamayer: Does it also set its own icons?
21:44:32amayerit already did that.
21:44:34amayerit would set 'viewers iconset:'
21:44:36amayerbut wouldnt explicitly turn the 'show icons:' on
21:44:51AlexPok, I was just checking
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22:17:56kugelwodz: buflib is not ideal for short-lived buffers but you could use it
22:18:26kugelfor short-lived and/or foreground work the plugin buffer is often better
22:20:34kugel(buflib is not ideal because it often needs to stop playback for a brief period to make room)
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22:21:21wodzkugel: in case of a few plugins I am short with pluginbuf
22:22:02kugelthe 64k need to be available while the plugin runs?
22:22:59kugelwhat do you mean then?
22:23:43wodzI need this buffer to cache symtab which is needed to perform relocations
22:24:20wodzdoom for example uses almost all pluginbuf and symtab doesn't fit
22:24:48kugelbut you just said you dont need it while the plugins run
22:25:06wodzI know I could overlap it with bss and clear bss later but this complicates implementation. I was looking for something simple
22:25:29wodzit is not needed when plugin runs but it is needed when plugin loads
22:26:10kugelhow can doom use all the plugin buffer while loading?
22:26:21kugeldoes it have a huge static buffer or somesuch?
22:27:23gevaertswodz: could you use the plugin buffer normally, with buflib as a fallback?
22:27:26kugelif you can't use the plugin buffer you can only use the audio buffer or buflib. both require playback (only shortly for buflib). OR a static buffer
22:28:21kugelideally the playback engine would be fixed to allow shrinkage of the audio buffer without restarting playback. then buflib could be used easily
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22:29:12wodzgevaerts: that was my idea
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22:30:30wodzruntime mem demand + symtab is 0x8d3ac for doom (not counting iram)
22:31:07wodzsymtab is 0xf810 bytes
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22:32:18kugeldoes this number depend on the amount of functions and global variables in the plugin?
22:34:45wodzhmm moving .bss to the end and defer clearing should work
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22:58:35kugel3.12 is final now?
23:00:06AlexPkugel: Sort of
23:00:17AlexPIt hasn't been moved to the right place on the server
23:00:30AlexPAnd it isn't being announced to rbutil etc
23:00:34AlexPWe need a Swede
23:00:43AlexPIt is built, tagged and uploaded however
23:01:10kugelAlexP: the RDS bug should be in the known bugs section of the release nodes imo
23:01:18AlexPFeel free to add it :)
23:01:28AlexPIt isn't a crashing bug is it?
23:01:43kugelit is
23:02:00AlexPoh, I misread the bug report then
23:02:46kugelwell, according to the bug report it doesnt crash on a stable target, but the bug has probably the potential to crash on all affected targets
23:03:35AlexPWhich is clip+ +?
23:03:44AlexPDo any other stable targets have RDS?
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23:03:59kugeldont know
23:04:04lebelliumClip+ doesn't have RDS
23:04:11AlexPbeast does, but not stable
23:04:11lebelliumclip zip has RDS but not stable target
23:04:15AlexPSorry, clip zip
23:04:18lebelliumand Toshiba Gigabeat has RDS
23:04:25AlexPgigabeat S
23:04:28AlexPwhich isn't stable
23:04:37kugelis the zip stable?
23:04:39AlexPF doesn't have a radio IIRC
23:04:40lebelliumso no stable target has RDS
23:05:02lebelliumbut the clip zip can be almost considered as stable
23:05:12AlexPNot for the release it can't
23:05:19AlexPhich is all I care about at the moment
23:06:40kugelok then you can probably ignore the bug for now
23:06:58lebelliumthen you're right, no stable target has RDS. But that remains a major annoying but though :p
23:07:21AlexPI'm right even if it weren't only release based, as the clip zip isn't stable at the moment :P
23:07:56AlexPBut anyway, I'll ignore it for the sake of release
23:09:34kugelwodz: why do you need strip and not objcopy?
23:09:47kugelI always thought strip is a subset of objcopy
23:10:41AlexPIs a) correct and b) all that would be needed if one wanted to set prevent clipping to on by default for replaygain?
23:11:40kugelAlexP: yes
23:11:51AlexPkugel: Great, thanks
23:12:26AlexPWould anyone object to this? If we turn replaygain on by default, I think it would make sense to also turn on prevent clipping
23:12:50wodzkugel: objcopy doesn't have option to leave symbols needed for relocation AFAIK
23:13:11kugelit has −−strip-debug and −−strip-unneeded
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23:14:27kugelit should be sufficient to change the paramters in functions.make
23:16:05lorenzo92kugel: nice to see RDS the moment i'm working on SD automounting, should work so tomorrow evening I should also upload a patch ;)
23:16:46kugelcan you put a working patch for your gpio fixes?
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23:19:51factorWhat is a new mp3 player that works with rockbox, had the fuze butit got washed, cant find them anymore
23:20:18AlexPclip zip
23:20:22AlexPfuze plus?
23:20:34AlexPNot sure what the exact state of support is, check the website
23:20:45factorthat I can pick up at best buy or sears.
23:20:59lorenzo92kugel: yes will do that too! In the meanwhile, I completed the SD sense patch :) works hehe still not sure how to handle unmount, I place a button but where?
23:21:20lorenzo92kugel: is there a kind of default way of doing that on other targets?
23:21:33kugelthere's no unmount on other targets
23:21:55kugelnot one the user can initiate*
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23:22:35AlexPfactor: No idea, I'm not in the States (nor are most here)
23:23:28factorSo the zip clip works with rockbox?
23:23:49AlexPNo, but the clip zip does :)
23:25:34wodzeh, doom compiled with -mlong-calls doesn't fit in pluginbuf anyway :/
23:25:45factorI dont see fuze+ on the list only fuze
23:26:00AlexPIt is directly before clip zip
23:26:06factorsays unstable
23:26:22AlexPThat can mean lots of things
23:26:26AlexPtry clicking on the link
23:26:44AlexPIt might just mean something hasn't been finished
23:27:00AlexPIt might be a player feature like USB, or it might be the manual
23:27:07factorno recording.
23:27:15factorlookslike everythign else is fine
23:27:20gevaerts"Unstable" tends to mean either "Some details are not finished and people haven't worked on it for ages", or "Is still available in shops"
23:27:51factorcol rockbox utility works on it
23:27:55factorso I call it good
23:28:12factorrecording would be nice but not an option I had used on my fuze
23:28:18AlexPI suspect so, but I haven't got one so can't say for sure
23:29:43lorenzo92kugel: basically, that's it: ! need to write a better way to wait for sd to be ready, for example waiting for mount is okay using a timeout but works fine so fat
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23:31:04factoro Thanks , love the rock box stuff I had on it. with video I could convert youtube to fuze and it worked great.
23:31:30factorlistened to MIT opencourseware on it all the time
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23:34:43factorWill go chek to see if they have the fuze+ , did not see one ,but shows to have them on the website.
23:35:58lorenzo92do you think it would be evil to add a "Remove microSD" button on the main menu? Don't know how else doing a safe removal of a microSD on yp-r0
23:36:18kugelwhat about sync parameter?
23:36:26kugelthen you don't need safe removal?
23:36:51lorenzo92kugel: yes I have tought about it too, it should be safe then right?
23:36:58kugelread is still buffered by the kernel which is more important in our use case
23:37:19lorenzo92okay so this is the solution, thanks :)
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23:39:33kugelyou could proabably also add MS_RELATIME to it
23:44:30kugelon normal targets rockbox displays a special <MICROSD> dir in the file browser to access it
23:44:41kugelnot sure what to do on the ypr0
23:46:06lorenzo92i'll leave as it is by default, mounted on /mnt/mcc
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