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| 02:23:45 | saratoga | scorche`: spam filter ate a bunch of people's posts (including mine) |
| 02:25:16 | JdGordon | ill fix it |
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| 04:56:20 | * | [Saint] prods JdGordon |
| 04:56:29 | JdGordon | ? |
| 04:56:35 | JdGordon | forums again? |
| 04:56:40 | [Saint] | Akismet hates me again... ;) |
| 04:56:48 | JdGordon | akismet hates everyone again |
| 04:57:20 | JdGordon | scorche`: wtf is wrong with akismet? is there anything better or is our config broken? |
| 04:57:22 | [Saint] | Is there some rule along the lines of "if a post is edited within X of being posted == spam"? |
| 04:57:31 | [Saint] | That seems to be what is catching me out. |
| 04:58:06 | [Saint] | I always post, then go "Ah, dammit...I meant to say...", and then *poof*, it flags that post. |
| 04:59:03 | [Saint] | I didn't realize what all the times in the recent past have had in common until just now, but that seems to be it. Or, soe odd coincidence. |
| 04:59:22 | JdGordon | it doesnt have any ui in the forum i can see |
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| 05:04:27 | * | [Saint] giggles at the wiki thinking anything in CamelCaseis a topic |
| 05:04:43 | [Saint] | makes the credits look weird in the release notes. |
| 05:06:25 | [Saint] | "Johnny Johnson McSomenamehere" gets the "create this topic?" ? appended to it. And things like OpenSPC |
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| 05:28:54 | * | [Saint] wonders how "%?ca<|>" is apparently valid. |
| 05:29:25 | JdGordon | why not? |
| 05:29:31 | JdGordon | its stupid, but valid |
| 05:29:35 | [Saint] | It's the abbreviated weekday tag. |
| 05:29:43 | JdGordon | ? |
| 05:30:03 | [Saint] | %ca prints Sun, Mon, Tue depending on the day. |
| 05:30:56 | JdGordon | it will always do the empty line case |
| 05:32:04 | [Saint] | Ah, A guy in the forums tried: %?ca<%al%?cf<%cH:%cM|%cl:%cM>|00:00> which I interpreted as "check the abbreviated weekday, then check the 12/24hr time display preference and displays the correctly formatted time if it is a Sunday, and displays 00:00 if it is a Monday, and ignore all other days of the week" |
| 05:34:14 | [Saint] | When I read it, I believe he wanted %?cc (is there RTC?). It surprised me the above was valid. |
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| 09:13:12 | mortalis | wodz: turned out that bug with "no partition found" affects all hm601. It appeared after 71f7011 - 78ca74a |
| 09:14:31 | mortalis | i guess it another mysterious bug like with cache. |
| 09:16:48 | wodz | heh, this commits doesn't touch anything important so yeah it must be something fundamental |
| 09:17:23 | wodz | btw. mini2440 doesn't build anymore |
| 09:23:05 | wodz | firmware/SOURCES is borked |
| 09:27:32 | Zagor | i whole bunch of targets fail building since the opus iram commit |
| 09:27:43 | Zagor | "region `PLUGIN_IRAM' overflowed by 640 bytes" |
| 09:28:04 | Zagor | I need to get build result announcements running again |
| 09:29:42 | wodz | I have a feeling that mini2440 was broken loooooooong ago |
| 09:30:35 | Zagor | not unlikely. targets that are not auto-built fall by the side pretty fast. |
| 09:34:14 | wodz | ok, fixed |
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| 09:36:21 | [Saint] | Is there an example anywhere of a svnversion->gerrit_magic adaption? |
| 09:37:05 | [Saint] | If I know what I'm supposed to do, fixing up ipodpatcher shouldn't be hard, but I'm not sure where to look for an example. |
| 09:39:10 | [Saint] | svnverion pops up in a few places still, it seems. |
| 09:39:55 | wodz | [Saint]: version.sh is your friend |
| 09:41:51 | [Saint] | wodz: aha, thanks. |
| 09:43:04 | * | [Saint] wonders how that (ipodpatcher) went unnoticed. Doesn't RbUtil require it? |
| 09:43:24 | [Saint] | (perhaps it already existed in the tree the RbUtil releases are built from?) |
| 09:43:31 | wodz | it probably runs it as external tool or something |
| 09:46:14 | mortalis | no, rbutil use it as library |
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| 09:47:20 | mortalis | and it builds for me, for linux at least |
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| 09:55:47 | [Saint] | mortalis: it builds, yes. I should've been more explicit. |
| 09:56:02 | [Saint] | It compiles, but it throws a whole lot of errors. |
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| 10:09:49 | kugel | did anyone realize that there are many reds ?ß |
| 10:10:18 | wodz | kugel: Zagor pointed it out earlier today |
| 10:14:45 | wodz | ingenic_jz47xx/crt0.S is copyrighted as GPL v2 only |
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| 10:36:14 | mortalis | wodz: I'm starting to believe that cache issue wasn't cache issue or it wasn't fixed. I guess "no partition" issue & cache issue is the same problem. For now rb works with nop inserted in save_playlist_screen, but I haven't tried to find out boundary where exactly nop insertion stops to help. |
| 10:37:11 | wodz | this pretty much looks like more general alignment problem |
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| 11:20:42 | wodz | how is called the file holding mp3 codec on the target? |
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| 11:38:52 | wodz | I feel dumb but none of *.codec files reminds me of mp3 format |
| 11:39:30 | gevaerts | mpa.codec, I think |
| 11:39:35 | gevaerts | For mpeg audio |
| 11:39:46 | gevaerts | (it also does mp2) |
| 11:41:52 | wodz | thanks, I'will never guess that :-) |
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| 13:03:24 | wodz | I'd like to ask for advice. elf_open() when used to load plugins needs to call audio_stop() before it starts to copy iram stuff. In case of codecs it can't do that for obvious reason. |
| 13:03:58 | wodz | Anyone have an idea how to resolve this other than passing additional arg to elf_open()? |
| 13:09:10 | wodz | hmm, I could check signature in header as it is always at the begining but thats rater hacky |
| 13:09:51 | * | [Saint] doesn't suggest that, then |
| 13:09:55 | [Saint] | (was just about to) |
| 13:12:39 | wodz | maybe it is not that bad if not only I thought about it. |
| 13:13:21 | mortalis | you could check filename |
| 13:13:44 | [Saint] | It's definitely a little hacky, but, it's fairly trivial and would (read: _should_) "Just Work". |
| 13:15:36 | wodz | mortalis: Yes , that is another option but I much more believe magic byte sequence in mem then filename/extension |
| 13:15:52 | wodz | *believe in |
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| 13:30:52 | wodz | working :-) and it was just one line of code |
| 13:33:30 | [Saint] | wooo! |
| 13:39:19 | wodz | hmm, plugins crashes if music is playing so I guess the check is not quite right |
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| 13:53:31 | kugel | wodz: how does it work currently? |
| 13:55:04 | wodz | kugel: what you mean? |
| 13:57:51 | wodz | if you are asking what I changed: http://pastie.org/5072709 on top of V12 |
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| 14:12:38 | kugel | wodz: I mean how it works in git master |
| 14:13:49 | kugel | ah, i see. iram copy is handled in {codec,plugin}_crt0.c, so within the loaded binary. the elf loader needs to do it beforehand |
| 14:14:09 | wodz | yes |
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| 14:15:38 | kugel | wodz: why is commit_discard_idcache() needed in codec_load_ram()? |
| 14:17:32 | wodz | kugel: it is usually a good practice to commit caches before jumping into just loaded code. I was a bit surprised cache commit was handled in plugins/codecs crt0.c |
| 14:18:01 | kugel | wodz: wodz it's handled in lc_open() |
| 14:18:17 | kugel | it's handled in _crt0.c only because of the additional iram copy |
| 14:18:24 | wodz | I don't use lc_open() |
| 14:18:47 | kugel | right, i was talking about git master |
| 14:19:12 | kugel | anyway, it would be sufficient to call it in the loader after relocation |
| 14:19:48 | wodz | probably, I'll change that |
| 14:20:35 | kugel | ah, okay. i asked because i thought you'd already do it there and call it another time in codec_load_ram() |
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| 15:40:57 | amayer_ | can someone unspam me? |
| 15:40:59 | amayer_ | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,38653 |
| 15:42:55 | amayer_ | (my message was flagged as spam) |
| 15:44:05 | gevaerts | Someone needs to tell akismet that we trust rockbox.org |
| 15:44:05 | amayer_ | could we just use a captcha instead of a spam filter for the forums? have we talked about this before? |
| 15:44:10 | gevaerts | We do |
| 15:44:16 | amayer_ | gevaerts: agreed |
| 15:44:23 | gevaerts | It doesn't stop many spammers |
| 15:44:42 | amayer_ | where is it? i dont think i had to fill any out to post on the forums |
| 15:45:03 | gevaerts | There should be one when registering |
| 15:45:43 | the-kyle | Spammers know how to get around captchas fairly easily. I was an admin on a forum and had to manually kill the spammers who got around the registration captcha. |
| 15:46:03 | the-kyle | Sad but true. |
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| 15:47:08 | the-kyle | The forum I was on didn't have a post captcha, but if spammers weren't stopped at registration, they wouldn't have been stopped on an individual post either. |
| 15:47:55 | * | the-kyle was killing about 3 to 4 spam accounts per day at one point, and this was a fairly small community forum for a hosting site. |
| 15:50:10 | amayer_ | wow... we have reCaptcha, a field to enter a value("no spam") and a filed to leave blank... its pretty crazy if a spammer gets through that |
| 15:51:20 | amayer_ | unless they are manually doing it |
| 15:51:50 | the-kyle | Wow you would think that would be enough, but apparently not. The hosting forum I was on didn't have that many roadblocks. But I guess spammers can get around just about anything these days. |
| 15:52:53 | * | nrg hangs head in shame |
| 15:53:30 | Torne | we're pretty sure they are manually doing it |
| 15:54:03 | Torne | or at least, one guy did it manually one time and told everyone what to do :p |
| 15:54:15 | the-kyle | This would explain how they pass the human tests. They are human, and put their bot on once the account is registered. |
| 15:54:45 | Torne | well, for a given forum, as long as you have a reasonably successful way of breaking captchas, you only need to wokr out all the forum specific stuff once |
| 15:54:57 | Torne | after that you can register more accouns with a bot exactly as successfully as you can solve captchas. |
| 15:56:20 | the-kyle | It seems computers have gotten pretty good at solving captchas these days, which all but eliminates one obstacle for the spam bots. |
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| 15:56:46 | Torne | well, the problem is not really that simple :/ |
| 15:57:02 | Torne | you don't have to bevery good at solving captchas to make it worth it |
| 15:57:16 | Torne | especially if you have a lot of IP addresses in different networks to use to do it from. |
| 15:57:51 | the-kyle | This is true. Then you only need a fairly low success rate to setup spam accounts. |
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| 16:03:36 | the-kyle | It seems worth having a few false positives in exchange for keeping the amount of unblocked spam under control, as long as there are tweaks that can be done to keep the amount of false positives down as well. |
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| 16:05:27 | Torne | the-kyle: i don't know that we *can* easily tweak akismet's behaviour here |
| 16:05:33 | Torne | it's a bit of a black box |
| 16:07:27 | the-kyle | Perhaps there is a more tweakable spam filter available. Maybe something that works similar to e-mail filters, so the rate of false positives goes down over time. |
| 16:12:26 | the-kyle | I would do more to help, but unfortunately, I'm not very familiar with SMF. I was an admin on a MyBB forum, and it was quite a bit smaller than the Rockbox forum. |
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| 16:25:15 | amayer_ | have we considered moving to another forum with built in features like we are talking about? |
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| 18:59:47 | scorche|sh | well, i have been meaning to upgrade to SMF 2.x at least |
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| 19:00:58 | scorche|sh | i should try adjusting the verification questions a bit and see if there is a brief respite from spam |
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| 19:01:18 | scorche|sh | the-kyle: yeah - there is absolutely no configuration we can do with akismet |
| 19:02:12 | scorche|sh | i *think* akismet offers some method to tune its algorithms a bit, but that piece is not implemented in the SMF plugin used |
| 19:03:50 | gevaerts | I can't remember now, but I think we don't ever tell akismet about false positives |
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| 19:06:41 | scorche|sh | yeah |
| 19:07:18 | gevaerts | I wouldn't be surprised if that's why we're seeing more and more false positives lately |
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| 19:29:44 | [Saint] | scorche|sh: my recipe to trigger the spam filter seems to be: post, then edit post within a few minutes of posting. |
| 19:31:32 | [Saint] | it'd be kinda nice if a post count higher than foo made one immune to such shenanigans. |
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| 19:39:43 | amayer_ | [Saint]: that makes sense |
| 19:40:05 | amayer_ | an accepted post count(not including mesages marked as spam) |
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| 19:42:52 | gevaerts | Sure, lots of things would be nice |
| 19:43:19 | gevaerts | Implementing them in the current forum software is a lot of work though |
| 19:45:03 | gevaerts | SMF1 was written in a time where "spam problem" meant a dozen or so spam posts per week |
| 19:46:46 | the-kyle | An upgrade to SMF 2.x would probably be nice also, but there is the problem with database compatibility, meaning unless the devs made sure to make the SMF 1.x databases compatible with 2.x or unless they developed a conversion tool, it could be extremely difficult to upgrade. |
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| 19:51:32 | scorche|sh | the-kyle: as far as i am aware, it shouldnt be too difficult to upgrade |
| 19:52:12 | the-kyle | In that case, it could solve some problems, as long as the available spam filter plugins are configurable. |
| 19:52:27 | scorche|sh | when i get a chance, i will see about spinning up another server, mirroring the current one, and testing the upgrade out there |
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| 20:28:29 | n1s | ah i forgot about the pp's with small iram, will fix shortly |
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| 21:39:51 | amayer_ | do we not have the commit bot anymore? |
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| 21:41:14 | gevaerts | The CIA service shut down, and we don't have a replacement yet |
| 21:41:56 | lovasoa | Hi! |
| 21:41:56 | lovasoa | I wrote a little patch to implement exponential and logarithm in the calculator plugin. Someone to review it ? |
| 21:41:56 | lovasoa | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12768 |
| 21:42:11 | amayer_ | ...im guessing that means we dont have source |
| 21:42:34 | amayer_ | (for CIA) what does CIA stand for? |
| 21:42:37 | amayer_ | was it just a perl script or something/ |
| 21:42:59 | gevaerts | lovasoa: any chance of putting it on gerrit? |
| 21:43:10 | lovasoa | What is gerrit? |
| 21:43:15 | gevaerts | amayer_: no, it was an external service used by lots of projects |
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| 21:44:07 | gevaerts | lovasoa: see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit#Setting_up_Gerrit |
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| 21:44:25 | gevaerts | We're trying to get rid of patches on flyspray |
| 21:45:20 | amayer_ | gevaerts: was it a gerrit plugin or something |
| 21:46:06 | gevaerts | amayer_: no, it was an external service that could be asked to monitor various VCS repositories |
| 21:46:58 | amayer_ | oh ok. |
| 21:47:00 | gevaerts | We didn't run it, we just used it |
| 21:47:07 | amayer_ | i get it |
| 21:47:25 | amayer_ | for an external service it was pretty quick |
| 21:47:32 | amayer_ | ...i kinda miss it |
| 21:48:06 | gevaerts | Well, we did have a gerrit hook to give it a nudge |
| 21:48:20 | amayer_ | oh ok |
| 21:55:18 | n1s | it was very convenient and makes you forget to check the results manually |
| 21:57:19 | amayer_ | i know right |
| 21:57:31 | kugel | can't bluebrother's bot or logbot_ jump in? |
| 21:57:54 | gevaerts | Logbot would be easiest, since it runs on the same machine |
| 21:59:05 | amayer_ | i think for the sake of keeping with the unix standard(keep tools simple and to 1 specific task) it should be a different bot |
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| 22:01:19 | AlexP | why? |
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| 22:03:14 | amayer_ | im not sure how the bots work. but if its just a script or something if you keep them seperate you can remove or replace one very easy |
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| 22:03:48 | lovasoa | gevaerts: I get : To ssh://lovasoa@gerrit.rockbox.org:29418/rockbox |
| 22:03:48 | lovasoa | ! [remote rejected] master -> master (prohibited by Gerrit) |
| 22:03:48 | lovasoa | error: failed to push some refs to 'ssh://lovasoa@gerrit.rockbox.org:29418/rockbox' |
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| 22:04:27 | amayer_ | if you just installed ssh or git you might need to reboot |
| 22:04:37 | gevaerts | what? |
| 22:04:40 | gevaerts | Why? |
| 22:04:44 | AlexP | amayer_: No you don't |
| 22:04:45 | n1s | lovasoa: did you set up the ssh key on gerrit? |
| 22:04:56 | amayer_ | i did when i had a fresh install |
| 22:04:58 | AlexP | amayer_: Please don't give random advice |
| 22:04:58 | gevaerts | lovasoa: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit#Uploading_a_change_for_review_and_testing |
| 22:05:19 | amayer_ | AlexP: im speaking from personal experiance |
| 22:05:27 | AlexP | You're wrong :) |
| 22:05:35 | amayer_ | i couldnt connect to gerrit at all. i had the ssh key and everything |
| 22:05:43 | amayer_ | after logout and login it connected fine |
| 22:05:49 | amayer_ | its in the log here somewhere |
| 22:05:59 | AlexP | Well that is very different to reboot |
| 22:06:07 | amayer_ | i think it was a convo with [Saint] |
| 22:06:14 | AlexP | restarting the session / new session is possible I guess |
| 22:07:06 | amayer_ | AlexP: i wasnt assuming he was running Linux/Unix. |
| 22:07:09 | amayer_ | if it was windows logout login doesnt do anything so it would need restart |
| 22:07:29 | gevaerts | First of all, that symptom didn't look like a failure to connect (more like "don't try to push to master if you want to upload a patch for review"), secondly, logout/login has nothing to do with rebooting, and thirdly, I'm still pretty sure there was a less invasive solution |
| 22:08:39 | * | AlexP cba |
| 22:08:58 | amayer_ | oh gerrit is saying his push was rejected. i misread and thought it was saying his connection was rejected |
| 22:09:22 | amayer_ | (which is the problem i was refering to) |
| 22:09:24 | amayer_ | *bows* i appologize for the confusion |
| 22:09:38 | n1s | can we set custom errors for gerrit so it could say something like what gevaerts said? |
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| 22:20:55 | lovasoa | Here it is, I finally managed to set up gerrit: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/333/ |
| 22:21:13 | gevaerts | Thanks! |
| 22:21:26 | lovasoa | But I prefered the old svn and FS, it was way more simple! |
| 22:22:26 | n1s | gerrit is much nicer for reviewing |
| 22:23:11 | lovasoa | So, will you review my patch? |
| 22:23:22 | gevaerts | Yes. For instance it shows straight away that you have some tabs that should be spaces :) |
| 22:24:00 | lovasoa | Sorry, my text editor is usuallu configured with |
| 22:24:34 | lovasoa | tabs, and I forgot to change it before editing rockbox code... |
| 22:24:45 | gevaerts | Also, gerrit only needs to be setup once. After that, it's a lot easier to push stuff to than FS |
| 22:27:05 | gevaerts | To fix the tabs, you'd just edit the file, then git commit −−amend -a, and then git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master again |
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| 22:29:01 | lovasoa | gevaerts: Done ! |
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| 23:00:47 | wodz | elf codecs and plugins work perfectly ok on CF. On nano2g loading plugin when codec is loaded leads to undefined instruction :/ |
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| 23:17:02 | speckmade1 | Recently I was kinda shocked about my Clip+ seeming to run his battery dry with less than 10 minutes of recording. |
| 23:17:02 | speckmade1 | Assuming it may be the process of writing to the flash memory may be very consuming here, I radically turned down the sampling rate and got a whole lot of an improvement. |
| 23:17:02 | speckmade1 | Can somebody confirm that writing to flash is the most consuming thing here? Can maybe somebody point me to some numbers? |
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| 23:17:02 | speckmade1 | How much heavier is it on the battery than running the MP3 encoder? I.e. can I save some battery life and yet retain more quality by saving to MP3? |
| 23:17:43 | Torne | less than ten minues seems pretty terrible, but i would guess that wrting to the flash is the expensie part, yes |
| 23:17:53 | Torne | i doubt anyone has runt hat experiment on that device, though, you'll have to time it for yourself |
| 23:19:18 | speckmade1 | so it could be useful if I did some benchmarking, eh?.. :-) |
| 23:21:07 | wodz | there was article on /. recently about recording on AMSv2 with rb (it was clipv2 or clip+ can't remember) and they recorded for a few hours on single charge. From my calc the limiting factor was player's flash capacity not the battery I recall. |
| 23:21:57 | speckmade1 | wooops - so it may be my experimental firmware?.. |
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| 23:22:32 | wodz | they used wav recording - maybe this matters |
| 23:22:33 | speckmade1 | I have a nightly build running here... |
| 23:23:31 | speckmade1 | First I used WavPack and it seemed to draw a lot of power. Then I switched to RIFF-WAVE - seemed to be the same thing. |
| 23:24:39 | speckmade1 | Now when I reduced the sampling rate from 48 k down to 8 and removed the useless second channel I don't see remarkable battery drain anymore. |
| 23:25:41 | wodz | dunno, it just ringed the bell |
| 23:27:00 | speckmade1 | With WAV, 48 k, stereo I remember something like 6 minutes of recording with a battery that was well above 70 % charged, I think, and it was down below 10 % or so. |
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| 23:46:51 | speckmade1 | They mentioned 48 k sampling rate being buggy and recommend 44.1 k. That sounds like a useful hint. Thanks, wodz! |
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