#rockbox 2012-11-03

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#rockbox log for 2012-11-03

00:01:45	pamaury	haha, nothing more delightful than disassembling an OF and discovering new vendor specific scsi commands
00:05:12	user890104	pamaury: which device?
00:05:30	pamaury	sony nwz e463 but I think it applies to most sony nwz
00:06:04	user890104	apple also use these for reformatting/repartitioning/firmware upload
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01:03:27	amayer	Does anyone in here know php?
01:03:36	amayer	(for code review)
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01:06:20	pamaury	amayer: a bit but not really the code our website
01:07:06	amayer	im just looking for someone with commit access.
01:07:08	amayer	Torne: not sure what time zone you live in but ping anyway
01:07:46	amayer	pamaury: g344 if you want to check it out
01:08:14	amayer	how come bluebot never works for me?
01:08:24	amayer	http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/344/
01:08:53	amayer	or is fs-bluebot not for gerrit?
01:08:55	AlexP	amayer: you need a #
01:09:07	AlexP	g#344
01:09:07	amayer	g#344
01:09:12	AlexP	or maybe not :)
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01:09:30	amayer	its because we are named Alex... fs-bluebot hates us
01:09:34	the-kyle	g#344
01:09:41	the-kyle	G3344
01:09:44	the-kyle	G#344
01:09:50	the-kyle	It hates me too.
01:09:54	AlexP	hmm
01:10:03	AlexP	looking in the logs, you don't need the hash it seems
01:10:07	the-kyle	g344
01:10:12	the-kyle	G344
01:10:13	AlexP	It might just not be working properly :)
01:10:30	amayer	g347
01:10:32	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #347 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/347 : skin_engine: User selectable track data display by Jonathan Gordon (changes/47/347/4)
01:10:39	amayer	WTF!?!?!?
01:10:57	amayer	is it only set up to work for the rockbox project?
01:10:58	AlexP	Is g344 closed?
01:11:00	amayer	mine is in the themesite project
01:11:07	amayer	no. im looking at it right now
01:11:13	AlexP	maybe it is that
01:11:15	AlexP	ask bluebrother
01:11:34	amayer	bluebrother: why your bot no like me?
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01:12:47	amayer	g344 crosses fingers
01:13:34	amayer	slumps shoulders feels let down
01:14:04	the-kyle	g344
01:14:10	the-kyle	puh
01:16:09	amayer	fs-bluebot: g344 please
01:16:22	amayer	well asking nicely is out of the question
01:19:48	amayer	well im going to watch a movie... ttyl
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02:07:58	hmmhmm	hello
02:10:09	hmmhmm	quick question: how far in terms of development is the Sansa Clip Zip port?
02:10:36	hmmhmm	i failed to find any information or any kind of roadmap on that specific port
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03:43:45	pamaury	hmmhmm: I think it is stable except for usb
03:44:17	hmmhmm	right, i read something about the USB not always working, right?
03:44:31	hmmhmm	in the forums IIRC
03:46:02	hmmhmm	apparently some games and applications aren't working that well either
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03:47:13	hmmhmm	but is there any sort of milestone for fixing the usb at least? or is the clip zip simply not a priority ATM?
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04:26:31	pamaury	usb on the clip plus/zip is a mystery, no one knows how to solve it, so there is no estimated deadline
04:27:24	hmmhmm	hum that's bad
04:28:03	hmmhmm	i wanted to get one, but if that's the case i think i'll get a clip+ instead
04:29:03	hmmhmm	that or i can wait for a USB fix, though it will likely not get one soon
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07:24:37	bluebrother	AlexP, amayer: the bot only checks the rockbox repository. Haven't gotten arount to make it checks others.
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12:22:26	pamaury	anyone here has a sony nwz player ?
12:31:11	bertrik	no, but I have a minidisc player :)
12:31:33	bertrik	perhaps the command codes to do the secure stuff are similar
12:32:37	pamaury	bertrik: does it show up as a mass storage ?
12:33:18	pamaury	bertrik: by the way, about the zen-xi 3, still playing or could you send it back to me so I can player ? :)
12:33:48	pamaury	anyway if you want to try, it's the git repo, utils/nwztools/scsitools/
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16:39:55	copper	Why isn't it possible to dual boot the iPod Classic exactly?
16:40:12	copper	What's the diffference with the iPod Video?
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17:22:11	AlexP	completely different
17:23:03	AlexP	For the reasons, it has been explained in the logs before, or wait around until someone (probably TheSeven) feels like explaining it again :)
17:23:12	AlexP	I won't, as I'd get it wrong
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21:42:07	TheSeven	copper: it's completely different hardware
21:42:28	TheSeven	much more similar to an early iphone generation than to the ipod video
21:43:20	TheSeven	even though apply tried to prevent rockboxing that ipod really hard, we got past that, and this kind of protection stuff isn't even hindering dualboot much
21:43:54	TheSeven	but there is a bug somewhere that we just haven't found yet, that makes apple's firmware lock up early during boot, if it's booted through our bootloader
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21:44:26	TheSeven	this is some kind of stuff that's really hard to debug, and nobody has had the time and patience to do it yet
21:44:47	TheSeven	so there are no real technical roadblocks, just a nasty bug hiding somewhere
21:55:02	copper	why does Apple care?
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22:30:12	AlexP	Because they are Apple
22:30:16	AlexP	It's what they do
22:30:56	copper	it doesn't impact them
22:31:07	AlexP	That doesn't matter :)
22:31:18	AlexP	And it might, in an albeit miniscule way
22:31:22	copper	how?
22:31:28	gevaerts	What doesn't impact them?
22:31:33	AlexP	Additional returns
22:31:40	copper	customers rockboxing their iPod on their own
22:31:47	AlexP	Or any custom code
22:32:02	gevaerts	Rockbox isn't what they're trying to prevent
22:32:11	copper	then what?
22:32:30	gevaerts	Bypassing DRM on audio
22:32:38	amayer	if someone installs 3rd party software then they dont need itunes which is where apple makes alot of their money
22:32:50	gevaerts	Also, apparently, prototyping iphone DRM
22:33:11	AlexP	amayer: That doesn't make sense
22:33:16	copper	lol
22:33:20	copper	I was gonna say, "makes sense"
22:33:27	AlexP	You can use itunes to load your own CDs/MP3s anyway
22:33:38	AlexP	So people don't need to buy through it now
22:33:43	copper	yeah but with iTunes you get iTMS adverts
22:34:59	amayer	if you have to use itunes to sync your ipod then you are more likly to buy music.
22:35:01	amayer	you dont have to buy the music through itunes but you are more likly too if you use it all the time.
22:35:03	amayer	(i know there are other programs that you can sync your ipod with.. just saying to avoid arguing about the other programs)
22:35:13	AlexP	I don't buy that
22:35:26	AlexP	But hey, maybe some people are that impressionable
22:35:26	gevaerts	It doesn't really matter anyway
22:35:39	copper	AlexP: not impressionable, it's more an impulse purchase thing
22:35:44	copper	it's easy, just a few clicks
22:35:52	AlexP	Maybe
22:35:58	AlexP	Anyway, doesn't matter
22:36:05	copper	if you stop using iTunes altogether, you don't even think about trying the iTMS
22:36:15	AlexP	What is that?
22:36:19	copper	iTunes Music Store
22:36:23	AlexP	All I know TMS as is Test Match Special
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22:42:08	amayer	wow... 100% of the threads in my "new topics" is spam
22:44:24	amayer	(in the forums)
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23:31:31	JdGordon	AlexP: gevaerts: any thoughts on g#347 ?
23:31:33	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #347 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/347 : skin_engine: User selectable track data display by Jonathan Gordon (changes/47/347/4)
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