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| 00:08:50 | rockboxuser | hi, i have an ipod color with rockbox installed. how can i go about un installing it? |
| 00:09:53 | [Saint] | Our Fine Manual can help with this. |
| 00:10:08 | [Saint] | However, it is really as simple as "Restore with iTunes". |
| 00:10:12 | [Saint] | that is all. |
| 00:10:46 | [Saint] | Out of curiosity, for what reason is it that you have chosen to uninstall Rockbox? |
| 00:10:51 | [Saint] | rockboxuser: ^ |
| 00:10:56 | rockboxuser | oh, well thanks sorry i checked the maual and rockbox utility doesnt recognize it |
| 00:10:59 | rockboxuser | hmm? |
| 00:11:04 | [Saint] | Out of curiosity, for what reason is it that you have chosen to uninstall Rockbox? |
| 00:11:34 | rockboxuser | well i want to use my 60 gb ipod color as a hard drive and rockbox isnt working right. |
| 00:12:16 | [Saint] | Could you clarify "isn't working right"? |
| 00:13:01 | [Saint] | while this is not an ideal use for a DAP, Rockbox or no, this should work fine. |
| 00:13:29 | rockboxuser | lol good point. well i think my install may be corrupt because it has trouble coming on and off. plus it has trouble when i connect it to my computer. |
| 00:14:45 | gevaerts | Does it work properly in the OF or in emergency disk mode? |
| 00:14:48 | rockboxuser | oh and itunes doesnt recognize my ipod nor does the rockbox utility |
| 00:15:35 | [Saint] | This sounds very much like a bad filesystem, if not a hardware error. |
| 00:15:46 | [Saint] | it certainly isn't Rockbox-related. |
| 00:16:14 | [Saint] | Were it so, it would not affect the original firmware. |
| 00:16:20 | rockboxuser | well crap. at any rate, i'd like to re install. except that the utility doesnt recognize my player |
| 00:17:00 | gevaerts | Have you tried the OF or EDM? |
| 00:17:39 | saratoga | boot into the emergency disk mode and restore with iTunes, apple has a nice guide to doing this somewhere on their website |
| 00:19:08 | rockboxuser | im doing that now, thanks man |
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| 00:31:18 | rockboxuser | alright man that worked thanks |
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| 09:59:37 | OthnielGraichen | I found it very difficult to find information regarding which targets support line-in and/or FM recording. Why is this not on the TargetStatus Wiki Page? My suggestion is to add a column entitled Recording to the tables for both existing and new platforms under development. Also the entry should read, Line-In and FM, Line-in only, FM only, or dash. This is much clearer and more useful than USB: Y/N or boots OF: Y/N |
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| 10:08:51 | gevaerts | OthnielGraichen: that "USB: yes/no" *is* useful. Surely people want to know if they should expect USB to work or not? |
| 10:18:17 | OthnielGraichen | ok what exactly does it mean? That is not documented. Does it mean that the file system is available when connected to a computer? |
| 10:19:02 | OthnielGraichen | Or does it mean that the device can be plugged into a USB wall charger? |
| 10:19:51 | gevaerts | It indicates the level of support on rockbox |
| 10:20:40 | OthnielGraichen | If the former why is there another column labeled DISK/FLASH? Do they indicate the same thing because it is unclear what USB *really* means? |
| 10:22:39 | [Saint] | I'm not sure how that is unclear, really. USB means the device has USB, and it is supported. DISK/FLASH indicates the storage type. |
| 10:22:52 | OthnielGraichen | Anyway I am not here to condemn the USB column. I want to make it easier for people to know on which targets recording is functional and to what level. |
| 10:24:18 | [Saint] | the manual makes it clear as to which device is capable of what in a more precise manor than the target status page does. |
| 10:24:31 | OthnielGraichen | The device will have USB independent of Rockbox. How is that a Rockbox feature. |
| 10:24:40 | [Saint] | uuuugggghhhh, *manner |
| 10:25:47 | [Saint] | Just because the device has USB capability is in no way any indication as to whether or not it is supported in Rockbox. That is why it is mentioned. |
| 10:27:08 | gevaerts | There could be more columns, yes |
| 10:27:40 | OthnielGraichen | Saint −− What does it mean? I have a Rockboxed ipod Classic 6G, Sansa e280 and FuzePlus. |
| 10:28:19 | [Saint] | Rockbox is a *complete* firmware replacement (except for a few specific cases), meaning that it can have features that the original firmware might not have, or lack features that the original firmware may have. These may be minor, or very major. This is my point. |
| 10:28:38 | OthnielGraichen | It would make deciding which device to purchase given the intended usage. |
| 10:29:33 | [Saint] | I'm not sure what you are asking to be perfectly honest. |
| 10:30:23 | OthnielGraichen | Are you talking about when the USB icon appears on the screen? |
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| 10:32:38 | OthnielGraichen | I think the USB Y/N means that the rockbox file system is available when connected to a computer via a mount point. |
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| 11:19:35 | OthnielGraichen | so can a column for FM and a column for Line-In be added to both existing and new platforms to indicate listen and record mode support in rockbox? |
| 11:20:04 | wodz | pamaury: I looked at my notes and finally remembered why I sent you rk27xx. :-) Have you looked at llvm port for this zsp500 dsp thingy? |
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| 11:21:37 | pamaury | damn, he remembers :) I began some work to do a llvm port but then I stalled. Iirc the port was compiling but doing nothing which is already something ! I'll have a look if you want |
| 11:22:16 | wodz | pamaury: thats not something with high priority. |
| 11:23:12 | pamaury | I must say that I would prefer to have usb working before, much easier/faster to work on the dsp then |
| 11:23:34 | * | pamaury decides to have a new try at rk27xx usb today |
| 11:23:42 | wodz | pamaury: true, this has much higher priority on my TODO list |
| 11:35:44 | gevaerts | OthnielGraichen: I don't think anyone would object if someone adds such columns, provided they're not wrong |
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| 15:45:56 | redsteakraw | Does anyone know what is the current status of the Sansa ClipZip, my old sansa Clip + died and there are some black friday sales coming up. I don't want to make a purchase unless I know there is at least some reasonable support |
| 15:47:29 | gevaerts | The main reason the clip zip isn't marked "stable" is that the manual isn't ready yet. There might still be some plugins that aren't fully adapted though |
| 15:47:39 | gevaerts | In general it should work as well as the clip+ |
| 15:47:45 | redsteakraw | thats good |
| 15:47:55 | redsteakraw | how well does doom work with it? |
| 15:48:33 | gevaerts | I know bertrik showed me doom on it back in february. No idea how playable it actually is |
| 15:49:02 | gevaerts | No idea how playable it *can* be given the buttons and screen size, really :) |
| 15:49:05 | redsteakraw | Well thank you gevaerts I will get it then. |
| 15:50:09 | redsteakraw | Doom wasn't playable on the clip+ because the screen was verry staticly and unreadable. |
| 15:50:28 | pixelma | probably a bit better than on the Clip+ (not sure though as I don't own either) ;) |
| 15:50:45 | redsteakraw | How would one contribute back to the manual? |
| 15:51:28 | redsteakraw | If I get the clip zip I might help out with the manual. |
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| 15:56:18 | gevaerts | I'm not sure exactly what's missing. Maybe just screenshots? |
| 15:56:36 | gevaerts | bertrik will know, but he's not online right now apparently |
| 15:56:48 | pixelma | the manual is written in latex, so that we can generate each manual of the different players from one source based on the device's capabilities. I'm not sure what exactly is missing for the ClipZip manual ... either |
| 15:57:27 | pixelma | gevaerts: missing screenshots shouldn't stop the manual from building though, IIRC |
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| 15:58:40 | gevaerts | It does build for me |
| 15:58:53 | gevaerts | It's full of "WARNING! Image not found" bits |
| 15:59:07 | gevaerts | So yes, at least missing screenshots |
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| 16:00:31 | redsteakraw | Does anyone know what the status of the Opus codec? |
| 16:04:36 | gevaerts | I think it works fairly well for at least some people on at least some targets |
| 16:08:01 | redsteakraw | Is it in the dev release or in the main 3.12? |
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| 16:08:26 | saratoga | opus works, just needs more optimization for the FFT |
| 16:09:52 | gevaerts | It's not in 3.12 |
| 16:14:06 | lebellium | are shuffle and repeat playback settings often used together? |
| 16:14:23 | saratoga | repeat all is probably used with shuffle |
| 16:14:35 | saratoga | repeat one won't work with shuffle though |
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| 16:15:23 | lebellium | are you sure? |
| 16:15:34 | lebellium | because there is a repeat shuffle setting |
| 16:15:40 | saratoga | well you can't shuffle one track |
| 16:15:55 | lebellium | repeat shuffle setting = shuffle setting + repeat all setting I guess |
| 16:19:54 | pixelma | "repeat shuffle" reshuffles the whole playlist after each round IIRC, whereas shuffle and repeat would shuffle the playlist once and keep repeating the resulting playlist |
| 16:20:50 | lebellium | okay |
| 16:21:39 | pixelma | the manual seems to agree with me |
| 16:22:44 | lebellium | actually I was asking that because for my theme I don't really have enough space to display both together and I wanted to know if that's a problem for many people? > %?ps<%Vd(shuffle)|%?mm<|%Vd(repeat)>> |
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| 18:45:13 | saratoga | pamaury: have any previous .sb files used actual words as the key? |
| 18:46:05 | pamaury | not that I know, but I don't know many .sb files with non-zero keys either |
| 18:46:30 | pamaury | and some vendors used to do that a lot (like creative) |
| 18:48:44 | saratoga | how long is the key? |
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| 18:54:36 | pamaury | 16 bytes |
| 18:54:58 | pamaury | that makes it pretty infeasible |
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| 19:02:41 | pamaury | I think bertrik had a look at the upater and said there was encrypted with two keys but then he said he looked at the wrong one so I don't know |
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| 19:50:45 | bertrik | yeah, sorry, I looked at a different ariaz model |
| 19:51:27 | bertrik | sa1... instead of sa4... |
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| 20:10:04 | bertrik | saratoga: how did you get the firmware upgrade files? |
| 20:10:18 | bertrik | I thought you'd need to use songbird, with the actual device attached |
| 20:10:35 | saratoga | bertrik: the songbird installer on the phillips website contains a firmware.zip file |
| 20:11:04 | saratoga | you can extract it from the installer (which is basically just some kind of tar) with 7zip |
| 20:15:01 | saratoga | can't do much with it though since its encrypted |
| 20:16:26 | saratoga | theres also a change log for the firmware update in there somewhere, but it was just one entry (i think this is the first firmware update) |
| 20:16:47 | bertrik | ok, I see it too |
| 20:18:15 | bertrik | pamaury: would there be a chance that it accepts a .sb file with zero key too? |
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| 20:23:36 | pamaury | bertrik: no |
| 20:23:53 | pamaury | it could accept a file with two keys: one zero and the actual non-zero key |
| 20:24:19 | pamaury | but you can't produce such a file without knowing the key or already having such a file |
| 20:24:33 | pamaury | (to the best of my knowledge) |
| 20:28:55 | pamaury | we should find another updater.sb from philips which a zero key |
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| 20:32:39 | saratoga | pamaury: you can try this one: http://mit.edu/mgg6/www/SA4VBE04KF_37.zip |
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| 20:35:57 | saratoga | huh their site stopped letting me download |
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| 20:39:59 | saratoga | heh, this player is a rockchip rk2800 |
| 20:40:26 | saratoga | ah heres another sb format one: http://mit.edu/mgg6/www/SA3VBE.zip |
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| 20:58:16 | pamaury | hum, the update are not the same, the versions are different, the sizes are different, the protocol might even be different |
| 20:58:33 | pamaury | I saw tons of dll in songbird to handle the differents players |
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| 21:08:17 | laen | Hmmm, wanted to install Rockbox on the Clip+ ..but why does it require me to use an old firmware? |
| 21:09:08 | laen | Or are there known troubles with the .18 firmware? |
| 21:10:34 | gevaerts | hm |
| 21:10:44 | gevaerts | As far as I can see, clip+ 01.02.18 should be supported |
| 21:11:51 | saratoga | did .18 fail? |
| 21:11:56 | laen | Got an up-to-date mkamsboot somewhere? |
| 21:12:20 | laen | [ERR] Original firmware unknown, please try an other version. Tested Clip+v1 versions are : ..blabla.. 01.02.16 |
| 21:12:40 | gevaerts | Does rockbox utility work? |
| 21:12:47 | saratoga | oh you're not using rbutil? |
| 21:12:50 | laen | Is that a Windows util? |
| 21:12:52 | n1s | not sure if we release new versions of the standalone tools anymore? |
| 21:13:03 | saratoga | then yeah, you'll have to compile your own mkamsboot |
| 21:13:11 | laen | Well, if it's a Windows util, then it doesn't work. |
| 21:13:19 | saratoga | it runs on all platforms |
| 21:13:19 | laen | Alright. Where's the source? |
| 21:13:26 | gevaerts | windows, linux, osx, ... |
| 21:13:35 | saratoga | its in the AMS folder in the rockbox util folder |
| 21:13:52 | gevaerts | laen: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility#Download |
| 21:14:20 | gevaerts | If none of those OSes work for you, then yes, you'll need to use mkamsboot |
| 21:14:56 | laen | Yes, will do. I'm not gonna install QT and speex and what not to be able to run a utility that does the same. |
| 21:15:04 | laen | Thanks mate! |
| 21:15:16 | gevaerts | It's mostly statically built |
| 21:15:22 | gevaerts | Of course, it's up to you... |
| 21:16:10 | laen | RockboxUtility-v1.3.0-64bit/RockboxUtility: error while loading shared libraries. |
| 21:16:14 | laen | I'll get the source ;). |
| 21:18:55 | saratoga | are you running some weird distro? it should be all statically linked iirc |
| 21:19:18 | laen | Huh? Because RockboxUtility is not statically linked, you're blaming me for running a weird distro? |
| 21:19:26 | gevaerts | There are some problems with the linking |
| 21:19:34 | gevaerts | Torne was going to look into that :) |
| 21:19:44 | gevaerts | It's partly static, but not enough |
| 21:19:48 | laen | And what's wrong with just running make in the RockboxUtility-v1.3.0/rbutil/mkamsboot ;) |
| 21:20:39 | saratoga | i don't recall having to install anything to run it in an ubuntu VM |
| 21:20:57 | laen | Well, that's Ubuntu, it comes with everything for everyone. |
| 21:22:13 | laen | main.c:71:22: error: expected ')' before 'VERSION' |
| 21:22:21 | laen | That's not nice. |
| 21:22:37 | gevaerts | hm |
| 21:23:01 | gevaerts | That doesn't happen in the full source checkout. Let me have a look |
| 21:23:53 | gevaerts | Try "make APPVERSION=something" |
| 21:24:32 | laen | Ah, what would something be? |
| 21:24:37 | laen | mkamsboot? |
| 21:24:37 | gevaerts | Anythinbg |
| 21:25:19 | laen | Didn't help. |
| 21:25:35 | laen | But then again, it's only a printf to stderr. |
| 21:27:13 | gevaerts | Building the standalone tools from the rockbox utility source tarball isn't very common |
| 21:27:52 | laen | Requiring weird magic to build stuff is not very common. |
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| 21:28:15 | gevaerts | True. That's why we only use ordinary magic :) |
| 21:28:20 | laen | Cool ;p |
| 21:28:29 | laen | ucl errors now, let me see what's going on there |
| 21:28:52 | gevaerts | Normally you'd build from a full git tree. That rockbox utility source tarball is really only meant to build rockbox utility |
| 21:29:48 | AlexP | Requiring magic (weird or otherwise) is very common IMO :) |
| 21:29:56 | laen | Unfortunately. |
| 21:29:58 | AlexP | Of course it isn't something we'd do :) |
| 21:30:12 | laen | If you didn't, it would not complain this much ;). |
| 21:30:22 | AlexP | WFM :) |
| 21:30:39 | laen | But i can completely understand that the secret recipy has to stay in the family! |
| 21:30:54 | gevaerts | Get a full checkout. If you still have issues, complain! |
| 21:31:03 | gevaerts | That one *will* work |
| 21:31:17 | gevaerts | (unless you decide to try on a system without compilers) |
| 21:31:29 | AlexP | Building using all the source works for sure |
| 21:31:31 | laen | That will make compiling damn hard lol. |
| 21:31:44 | AlexP | I've never tried to build rbutil from its tarball, let alone anything else |
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| 21:34:45 | n1s | yeah same problem with all the stuff noone ever builds or uses anymore it's almost always broken |
| 21:35:28 | AlexP | building rbutil from its tarball works |
| 21:35:38 | AlexP | That's what e.g. Arch's AUR build uses |
| 21:35:45 | laen | Got it build. |
| 21:35:57 | laen | You guys complain too much. |
| 21:36:03 | AlexP | ? |
| 21:36:14 | gevaerts | Building rbutil doesn't use the files that fail |
| 21:36:57 | AlexP | gevaerts: right, I'm just saying building rbutil from its tarball works as expected, building anything else from rbutils tarball is not expected use :) |
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| 21:49:30 | laen | Hmmm is it logical that the OF is 134136 bytes, and the new image 120131 ? |
| 21:50:37 | laen | Ah, packed, nice. |
| 21:51:20 | gevaerts | It has to be, to make room :) |
| 21:52:12 | laen | See, if i didn't build from source, i wouldn't have experienced all this fun. |
| 21:52:30 | laen | First boot! |
| 21:53:41 | laen | Loading firmware, file not found. Guess i forgot something.. *heads back to page* |
| 21:53:56 | gevaerts | You only installed the bootloader I suspect |
| 21:54:15 | redsteakraw | how does one make screenshots with rockbox? |
| 21:55:08 | gevaerts | redsteakraw: usually enable screenshots in System->Debug, and then plug in USB, which will trigger a screenshot instead of connecting |
| 21:55:33 | laen | gevaerts: i actually installed the whole final file |
| 21:55:52 | gevaerts | laen: did you unpack the main zip file? |
| 21:56:45 | laen | Yes, unpacked the OF to clppa.bin, had the bootloader-clipplus.sansa, and the rockbox-sansaclipplus.zip unpacked which placed a .rockbox dir with files in it |
| 21:56:59 | gevaerts | hm |
| 21:57:12 | laen | The OF boots though. |
| 21:57:24 | gevaerts | Is there a .rockbox/rockbox.sansa file? |
| 21:57:39 | laen | -rw-r−−−−- 1 laen laen 564688 Nov 19 21:48 .rockbox/rockbox.sansa |
| 21:57:58 | gevaerts | I'd recommend checking the filesystem for corruption. You never know |
| 21:58:11 | laen | The OF and new FW: |
| 21:58:12 | laen | -rw-r−−−−- 2 laen laen 15728640 Nov 19 20:56 clppa.bin |
| 21:58:12 | laen | -rw-r−−−−- 1 laen laen 15728640 Nov 19 21:48 f44d956.bin |
| 21:59:06 | laen | Should they be the same size? |
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| 22:06:37 | laen | Let me try the default build. |
| 22:10:18 | laen | Nope, standard rockbox release doesn't work either. |
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| 22:12:17 | harryrobey | Hello! |
| 22:13:13 | harryrobey | anyone in the abyss? |
| 22:13:25 | laen | No they all left when i mentioned the dev firmware. |
| 22:13:39 | gevaerts | laen: I |
| 22:13:55 | laen | hehe |
| 22:13:55 | gevaerts | laen: I'm still waiting for you to report on this filesystem check :) |
| 22:14:07 | laen | Is that vfat? |
| 22:14:15 | harryrobey | i have an admin request but not exactly a biggy :/ |
| 22:14:16 | gevaerts | yes |
| 22:14:35 | laen | (I did a Reset to Factory and Format in Format in the Sansa FW btw) |
| 22:14:36 | gevaerts | harryrobey: the best way to find the right people to answer your questions is to ask them |
| 22:14:41 | laen | Let me find a PC with vfat support. |
| 22:15:16 | laen | Ewwww, none. Let me boot Windows, i guess. |
| 22:15:24 | laen | Be back in 10 minutes after the filesystem check. |
| 22:15:26 | gevaerts | Wait, what? |
| 22:15:28 | harryrobey | I dont know anyone, im a NOOB, who sorts the site out? |
| 22:15:32 | AlexP | There isn't a release for the clip plus |
| 22:15:36 | laen | What, why wait? |
| 22:15:40 | gevaerts | You don't have any PC with dosfstools? |
| 22:15:49 | gevaerts | AlexP: you're confusing it with the zip |
| 22:15:49 | AlexP | And how did you install if your OS doesn't support fat? |
| 22:15:55 | AlexP | gevaerts: oh :) |
| 22:15:58 | laen | gevaerts: oh, those work? |
| 22:16:11 | laen | Checking, then! |
| 22:16:39 | gevaerts | harryrobey: depends on which parts of the site you mean |
| 22:16:39 | AlexP | harryrobey: more specific please |
| 22:18:09 | harryrobey | well the thing is there are quite alot of us using iPod classics, am i right? an i was thinking wouldnt it be easy enough to create an iPod Classic theme page on the site, specifically for classic themes, i know the ivideo ones work but having its own page would be nice? |
| 22:18:23 | harryrobey | i know its not properly supported yet but still?.. |
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| 22:20:13 | AlexP | It'd just be a copy of the ipod video bit, if you submitted a theme to either it'd show up in both |
| 22:20:38 | AlexP | But yeah, there could be a category to make it more obvious to people |
| 22:22:08 | laen | Wauw, that check takes a long time. |
| 22:23:05 | laen | Then again, i have it checking for bad clusters and doing a verification pass. |
| 22:23:08 | harryrobey | and i know nothing about the coding appart from making themes so whats with the hold up on full iClassic support? have apple put some douchey thing in it? cant you just use emcore's code? |
| 22:25:48 | laen | gevaerts: when dosfsck started, it said it found a 1st FAT and a 2nd FAT (no SD card inserted). The second reported problems, the first seemed less troublesome. Then ran the check and actions (bad clusters, repair). Since then it doesn't say anything about a 2nd FAT anymore. We'll see what that brings. |
| 22:26:54 | laen | So it does indeed seem something was messed up, which isn't strange due to all the crashes the latest OF has been giving me. |
| 22:29:31 | laen | gevaerts: first FAT: http://ix.io/3rF ..and second FAT: http://ix.io/3rG |
| 22:30:08 | laen | gevaerts: -vrtV run: http://ix.io/3rH |
| 22:31:55 | laen | Clean filesystem, new firmware uploaded. Lets check.. |
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| 22:32:54 | laen | gevaerts: to no avail |
| 22:33:02 | * | gevaerts hopes laen always unmounts the filesystem cleanly |
| 22:33:13 | gevaerts | The bootloader is definitely there? |
| 22:34:52 | laen | I can switch between Rockbox and Sansa. |
| 22:35:20 | * | gevaerts doesn't know then |
| 22:35:29 | gevaerts | I'm not an AMS sansa specialist |
| 22:35:31 | laen | Does it require the rbinstall dir to be in the home dir? |
| 22:35:36 | laen | When making it? |
| 22:35:44 | gevaerts | no |
| 22:36:30 | gevaerts | If you have .rockbox on the device with rockbox.sansa in it, it should boot. |
| 22:36:45 | laen | Huh, that .rockbox dir should be on the device? |
| 22:36:45 | gevaerts | You'll need other bits of .rockbox to actually do something useful |
| 22:36:54 | harryrobey | anyone dual booted ipod os and rockbox? |
| 22:36:57 | gevaerts | Where else? |
| 22:37:08 | laen | I thought it was used in the making of it with mkamsboot ;p |
| 22:37:15 | * | laen hits head against wall |
| 22:37:17 | AlexP | laen: Surprisingly you need Rockbox on your dap in order to use Rockbox on your dap :) |
| 22:37:31 | laen | yeah i thought it was somehow compressed into the newfile.bin |
| 22:37:57 | laen | On the upside, this was yet again fun, and i now have a repaired filesystem! |
| 22:38:27 | laen | Oh, btw, what's that voice support? |
| 22:39:36 | AlexP | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1510008.10 |
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| 22:40:48 | lebellium | anybody with a Fuze+ around here? |
| 22:41:11 | AlexP | It is also mentioned in the installation section of the manual, which would have helped you before: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.2.2 |
| 22:41:24 | AlexP | (or clicking on the install Rockbox button in rbutil) |
| 22:41:38 | laen | AlexP: i guess i'm reading a different installation manual. |
| 22:41:50 | AlexP | We only have one manual (per device) |
| 22:42:04 | laen | Yep, i was not using that one. |
| 22:42:07 | AlexP | Found via the "manual" link on the left of the site |
| 22:42:28 | laen | Was using http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS |
| 22:42:58 | AlexP | That's just a wiki page, not a manual |
| 22:43:28 | laen | It has an install procedure. |
| 22:43:36 | AlexP | Yes, which says "Download and Extract the normal build (rockbox.zip) onto your device." |
| 22:43:53 | laen | Yes, I guess I was a bit too excited. Can I be blamed? :P |
| 22:44:03 | laen | Must've read over it. |
| 22:45:59 | laen | Well, sorry for the misunderstanding I had, you seem annoyed. |
| 22:46:31 | AlexP | I wouldn't say so |
| 22:46:35 | laen | Alright. |
| 22:47:58 | redsteakraw | so on friday I will be getting a clip zip, where would I find the missing screenshots for the manual so I can take them to help complete it. |
| 22:48:20 | AlexP | redsteakraw: It'd probably be a lot easier to take them from the sim |
| 22:48:28 | AlexP | Doing them on device is a pita |
| 22:48:33 | redsteakraw | what sim? |
| 22:49:20 | AlexP | We have a simulator you can get a prebuilt (Windows) one here: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ |
| 22:49:36 | AlexP | Or build it from source if on linux |
| 22:49:40 | redsteakraw | I'm on linux |
| 22:49:59 | AlexP | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator |
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| 22:51:17 | AlexP | You'll want to be building the manual too so you can see what is missing, what needs fixing/adding |
| 22:51:35 | AlexP | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ManualHowto |
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| 22:54:27 | AlexP | I think I saw gevaerts say earlier that the clip zip manual builds, so you should be able to build it and see where screenshots are needed |
| 22:55:08 | AlexP | Patches for other bits are also very welcome, preferably in latex, but also in plain text is fine |
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| 23:06:04 | laen | It's seriously not my day. So i was wondering.. now why don't i get any audio output!? Took a few seconds before i realised i didn't plug my headphones in. |
| 23:07:21 | AlexP | yeah, that's not in the manual :) |
| 23:07:48 | laen | hehe |
| 23:07:57 | laen | I'm impressed, quite a few useful settings after all. |
| 23:08:29 | laen | Still wondering why the High frequency attenuation and cutoff are set to these values. |
| 23:10:30 | laen | Oh they're only active if the first option, Crossfeed, is set i guess. Really should read the manual. |
| 23:11:55 | redsteakraw | I am quite comfortable using LaTeX |
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| 23:20:56 | saratoga | laen: a crossfeed is a circuit that feeds low frequencies from one channel to the other, so you need a filter to implement one |
| 23:21:08 | saratoga | hence theres a cutoff |
| 23:21:50 | laen | I believe most of the settings like these are off by default, right. |
| 23:22:07 | saratoga | yes crossfeed is off by default |
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| 23:22:19 | saratoga | by default no DSP is applied |
| 23:22:40 | laen | What upside does the database have.. cause, that SD card was loaded almost instantly. |
| 23:22:43 | saratoga | although replaygain will be used if you have replaygain tags |
| 23:22:49 | laen | Ah, that's fine. |
| 23:22:54 | saratoga | it lets you browse by tags rather then files |
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| 23:33:26 | laen | Database load to RAM on a Clip+? |
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| 23:36:15 | saratoga | if you use the database it'll make it a little faster for basically no cost |
| 23:48:04 | lebellium | kugel: the RDS issue still occurs on the R0 with the latest build |
| 23:48:24 | kugel | that's unfortunate |
| 23:48:46 | lebellium | it makes my R0 crash if I put a scrolling tag for RDS text. |
| 23:48:57 | redsteakraw | What are the system reqs for rockbox? I was wondering if it could technically run on the arduino due http://arduino.cc/blog/2011/09/17/arduino-launches-new-products-in-maker-faire/ |
| 23:50:21 | gevaerts | That's not going to be enough RAM by far |
| 23:50:41 | saratoga | redsteakraw: about 3-4 MB of RAM and a 32 bit processor (preferably ARM) |
| 23:51:17 | saratoga | ha, 50Kb of RAM isn't much! |
| 23:52:46 | redsteakraw | I looked again, that is quite a small amount I don't know why they just don't add more ram to the board. |
| 23:52:55 | saratoga | the M3 doesn't support DRAM |
| 23:53:06 | saratoga | no memory controller |
| 23:53:41 | lebellium | as RDS issues are not likely to be fixed any time soon, I guess I'll upload my newer theme version anyway, without scrolling tag for RDS text. When the bug is fixed, I still can upload another version with scrolling RDS text., that's not a big deal. |
| 23:53:52 | kugel | lebellium: it's sad but we don't seem to be able to locate (and fix) the issue |
| 23:54:23 | redsteakraw | so rockbox could run on this http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=2098 |
| 23:55:17 | | Part LinusN |
| 23:55:29 | saratoga | i think we do run on one of those S3C2xxx boards |
| 23:57:21 | lebellium | kugel: I'm not sure someone is really looking for locating and fixing the issue? The only solution seem to be identifying the build that brought these issues but that would take much time |
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