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| 02:25:41 | scorche` | shutting down for a moment - need to properly clone the server |
| 02:27:16 | scorche` | actually, i might be down for an hour-ish |
| 02:27:21 | SuperBrainAK | :P |
| 02:27:43 | scorche` | depends if i want to risk data corruption ont he clone... |
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| 03:08:39 | scorche` | bahhhhh - cloning is taking longer than i thought...i should have just tested on production and restored from backup if things got screwed up... |
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| 04:02:17 | jnc | [Saint], build env is up and compiling rockbox dev works from git; bissecting the fuze USB issue now |
| 04:02:38 | jnc | may ask for help about specific code in some time |
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| 04:11:57 | jnc | confused about rockbox git and releases |
| 04:12:21 | jnc | I want to bissect against a given point release, do point releases correspond with the git repository? |
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| 04:48:09 | jnc | anyhow I found a good and bad git commit, so while curious to know about git and point releases, I am now not requiring that information to proceed |
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| 04:53:53 | orly_owl | Any supported players with 160GB capacity? |
| 04:56:04 | jnc | The merge base 48b1a2d39d1678c0dfa7b2271c29c52b6c8169d0 is bad. |
| 04:56:23 | jnc | This means the bug has been fixed between 48b1a2d39d1678c0dfa7b2271c29c52b6c8169d0 and [ef3ec72bfbbb5fa98ed07cdb6666a546b7fd3be0]. |
| 04:56:44 | jnc | orly_owl: some Apple products if you mod the drives |
| 04:57:13 | jnc | in theory, any 32gb player with sd slot and add 128gb card ;) |
| 04:58:09 | jnc | orly_owl: what 160GB capacity players are there, with or without rockbox? |
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| 04:58:33 | orly_owl | yeah apple i guess |
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| 05:06:30 | Topic | "Rockbox 3.12 released | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc | Yes, forums, themes, and translate are currently down - currently investigating upgrade" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
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| 06:27:20 | jnc | Bisecting: 118 revisions left to test after this (roughly 7 steps) |
| 06:27:28 | jnc | oof that looks more promising |
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| 07:59:37 | dizzylizzy | holy whaaat |
| 07:59:42 | dizzylizzy | I can record FM radio on my player in rockbox |
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| 08:02:55 | jnc | depends on the hardware |
| 08:03:00 | jnc | is a known feature though |
| 08:03:13 | Viper1987 | Hey, i'm brand new to rockbox... I installed it on my clip zip and notice a few features don't work as expected... is there any development being done for the clip zip or has it pretty much come to a hault? |
| 08:03:18 | jnc | bug 12184 updated |
| 08:03:22 | Viper1987 | halt** |
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| 08:03:43 | jnc | Viper1987: I don't know who is developing the clip |
| 08:04:03 | jnc | I run Sansa Fuze V1 and it sees updates sometimes |
| 08:04:32 | jnc | Viper1987: what features are you seeing trouble with and how? |
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| 08:05:37 | Viper1987 | Just the back feature doesn't work when navigating menus sometimes... I have to push the power button... then when i do that, it pauses the music |
| 08:05:44 | Viper1987 | Not sure if this is user error nor not |
| 08:05:52 | Viper1987 | or* |
| 08:06:06 | jnc | can't say I know enough to make a helpful suggestion there |
| 08:06:19 | jnc | stable release? |
| 08:06:19 | Viper1987 | Anything else i could tell you? |
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| 08:07:17 | Viper1987 | Also, rockbox is awesome! Just wanted to let all the devs know they're doing a great job... I thought my lack of bass and richness was due to some headphones i just bought and nope, it was the default firmware... rockbox alleviated every sound quality issue i was having |
| 08:07:43 | jnc | nice to hear that |
| 08:08:07 | jnc | I'm just another user, though I am doing some work with narrowing down a code change that broke USB for my player |
| 08:08:55 | Viper1987 | That sucks... i hate running through code with a fine comb |
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| 08:10:39 | Viper1987 | Have a good night, I'm going to continue to play with this and see what i can do... thanks for your help! |
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| 08:11:00 | scorche` | hem - i am giving up for tonight...any reason why the forums need to be up for the next 24 hours? |
| 08:11:20 | scorche` | i am tempted to leave them down just so i dont have to reconcile the two databases... |
| 08:13:16 | jnc | think I made a fool of myself again on flyspray |
| 08:13:50 | jnc | though I secretly suspect a toolchain issue |
| 08:15:32 | dizzylizzy | interesting that there's an mp3 encoder but not a vorbis encoder |
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| 08:24:28 | scorche` | i am sure most of you are somewhere in the process of either waking up or going to bed, so I will be back in about 8 hours ish...worst-case, I can bring the forums up then |
| 08:24:42 | pixelma | scorche`: if you leave the forums down, maybe leave a message here in the topic |
| 08:24:57 | pixelma | hr |
| 08:25:09 | * | pixelma should've read more firs |
| 08:25:10 | pixelma | t |
| 08:25:13 | jnc | like the ... ah |
| 08:25:36 | Topic | "Rockbox 3.12 released | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc | Forums are down for a bit - currently investigating upgrading them and scorche is lazy." by scorche` (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 08:25:46 | scorche` | pixelma: there is a message on the forums too |
| 08:26:16 | pixelma | oh well... :\ |
| 08:26:25 | pixelma | have a nice rest though :) |
| 08:26:33 | scorche` | but yeah - it will be at least 18 hours or so before i can work on the forums again though - work and such |
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| 08:51:11 | jnc | what the piss |
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| 08:51:56 | jnc | anyone at the console here who knows rockbox code? I found a gitbisect of something that broke Fuze v1 USB function but it is unrelated to Fuze itself |
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| 08:52:28 | jnc | I can do the busy work of git bisect, but understanding the code is kind of beyond me here |
| 08:52:54 | jnc | commit 9cc0dab3ced1f0c9205f6cba4933096eca915157 positively broke USB function for Sansa Fuze v1 |
| 08:53:35 | jnc | I was able to reverse the commit on top of git master, well the same code and as best I can tell just moved files, anyways when reverted now USB works for Fuze v1 |
| 08:59:38 | jnc | anyways please give this some attention, I attached a patch to revert the old commit, but a better answer is only going to happen with experienced rockbox developer |
| 08:59:43 | jnc | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12184 and thanks! |
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| 09:02:14 | funman | jnc: it could be memory corruption |
| 09:02:45 | jnc | funman: am I chasing an invisible problem? |
| 09:03:15 | funman | no idea if it's invisible |
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| 09:05:57 | jnc | it's 100% of the time to trigger, without the revert is a fail, with the revert it works |
| 09:06:08 | jnc | could still be that memory corruption you say |
| 09:06:38 | jnc | or... the revert was about bin vs elf |
| 09:06:50 | jnc | something is rotten elsewhere? |
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| 09:09:08 | wodz | jnc: this can't be offending commit as it touches external tools not the firmware |
| 09:10:41 | jnc | wodz: weird, but true |
| 09:10:50 | wodz | 9cc0dab3ced1f0c9205f6cba4933096eca915157 is about elftosb utility which is used for imx233 only |
| 09:11:03 | jnc | I'm thinking toolchain bug! |
| 09:11:07 | jnc | I don't know. |
| 09:11:10 | wodz | unlikely |
| 09:11:59 | wodz | my bet is that you are doing something fundamentally bad when bisecting |
| 09:12:09 | wodz | *you do |
| 09:12:15 | jnc | that's really possible |
| 09:13:32 | jnc | how many trials should I run to be sure, of transferring data to trigger USB errors? I will do that now |
| 09:14:49 | wodz | bisecting is basically git bisect start, git bisect bad, git bisect good <some hash>, then You do make clean && make && make zip, unpack whole new package on target, do the test and finally mark the point in bisecting with git bisect good or git bisect bad |
| 09:14:58 | jnc | ah, yes |
| 09:15:46 | jnc | I did 'make clean ; make reconf ; make && make zip' ; also used Sandisk firmware to format and transfer of unzipping rockbox.zip |
| 09:16:17 | jnc | so it is possible that my device is randomly crashing |
| 09:17:11 | jnc | I have seen consistency though, like Release 3.8 will always work, and Release 3.12 will always fail |
| 09:17:12 | wodz | anyway you can start from scratch to confirm but 9cc0dab3ced1f0c9205f6cba4933096eca915157 definitely can't affect firmware |
| 09:17:28 | jnc | are you very sure? because it appears that it does. |
| 09:17:34 | wodz | 10000% |
| 09:17:55 | jnc | reverting it in git master today, makes my firmware transfer no problems |
| 09:18:05 | jnc | incredible as that sounds |
| 09:18:51 | wodz | look, read the commit itself - it is about utils/sbtools/elftosb.c - this file is NOT compiled into firmware |
| 09:19:22 | jnc | yes I understand that, and it is confusing to me ... so how do we rule out a toolchain problem? |
| 09:19:24 | wodz | It should be easy - build firmware with and without this commit and compare |
| 09:19:38 | wodz | disassembling |
| 09:19:46 | jnc | ah ok |
| 09:20:03 | jnc | I have built A and B to compare |
| 09:21:20 | funman | arm-elf-eabi-objdump -d rockbox.elf > asm1.S |
| 09:21:50 | jnc | thanks funman will review in 1 minute |
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| 09:28:45 | jnc | funman: no differences :) |
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| 09:31:55 | jnc | how else could I verify if USB works or not on a given build, it seems like this might be corruption hidden for another reason |
| 09:32:40 | funman | plug/unplug 10 times |
| 09:35:16 | jnc | funman: plug/unplug is the only action? should I try to mount a filesystem or is plug/unplug enough |
| 09:39:30 | funman | well yeah just try if it works, transfer files etc |
| 09:39:43 | jnc | ok |
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| 09:44:46 | jnc | though maybe the elftosb code somehow effects a blob that effects memory on the player and masks an overflow problem |
| 09:45:07 | lorenzo92 | how can I fetch a particular revision (0c4bd3a) with git? |
| 09:45:26 | jnc | lorenzo92: git checkout 0c4bd3a |
| 09:45:36 | lorenzo92 | ah okay simply as that thanks :D |
| 09:45:42 | jnc | if you're looking to get back to mainline, then it is gitcheckout master |
| 09:46:09 | jnc | add -f to force if it complains |
| 09:47:13 | funman | jnc: no it doesn't affect |
| 09:47:28 | funman | elftosb only runs on PC |
| 09:47:32 | funman | it's not even built for fuze |
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| 09:47:48 | funman | try a rm elftosb.c between each bisect round |
| 09:48:13 | jnc | copy |
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| 09:51:11 | lorenzo92 | I'm searching for sigmatel linux bsp. I've sent an email to "Marc" and he replied me with a torrent but it is dead. he told me he would have checked that, in the meanwhile, has anyone these packages? |
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| 09:53:26 | funman | i'd guess if someone has them it's pamaury :) |
| 09:57:37 | lorenzo92 | okay then, let me know that I can upload them somewhere :) |
| 09:57:47 | dokan | Hello |
| 09:58:18 | dokan | I am a blind person in Japan. |
| 09:59:59 | dokan | I have tried to build RockBox for Android using the code from git repository with voice enabled. |
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| 10:01:19 | lorenzo92 | jnc: now I want to patch this revision with a patch on gerrit, do I need to do a checkout, cherry pick or what? |
| 10:01:48 | jnc | lorenzo92: I think the wiki covers how to do that much |
| 10:01:53 | lorenzo92 | okay |
| 10:02:13 | jnc | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit |
| 10:02:24 | dokan | It seemed to be success because app can display the open menu(File, Setting etc). |
| 10:03:08 | dokan | But no voice is outputed. |
| 10:03:24 | funman | dokan: you should ask kugel (about android) or bluebrother (about voice) |
| 10:04:40 | dokan | In Android, is voice output supported? |
| 10:06:04 | dokan | funman: OK and thank you for your suggestion. |
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| 10:19:57 | kugel | no, voice is not (yet) support. main reason is that there's no way to install voice files independantly of language files |
| 10:20:06 | jnc | funman: confirmed that I'm chasing a ghost here, appreciate your help to bring sanity to the picture :) |
| 10:20:35 | funman | kugel: isn't there a script to generate voices? |
| 10:20:41 | kugel | yes |
| 10:21:32 | kugel | lang files are installed to the app private memory, but the user can install voice files only to the sdcard |
| 10:21:55 | kugel | rockbox doesnt handle this (voice and lang need to be in the same folder) |
| 10:23:43 | funman | it should be easy to tweak build system to add voice files in the apk no ? |
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| 10:24:54 | dokan | Oh |
| 10:25:43 | kugel | funman: possibly, someone needs to do it though |
| 10:26:10 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: then I ask you when you're back to check if you have the sigmatel linux bsp :) |
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| 10:28:05 | dokan | When building with voice enable option, a set of voice is generated under the langs folder. Is this not enough for voicing system message? |
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| 10:31:59 | dokan | By the way, under the Android platform I think it may be better to use the Android's SpeechAPI for voicing. |
| 10:32:11 | pamaury | lorenzo92: no I don't have the sigmatel linux bsp. I only have the linux port for the stmp37xx. Why ? |
| 10:37:12 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: well I will receive a YP-Z5 and so I wanted (don't have plans right now) to start working a little on it. One thing is clear: it has a display issue, hope it's only SW problem has it happens for this model :) |
| 10:37:21 | lorenzo92 | it has stmp3650 |
| 10:39:36 | pamaury | hum, stmp3650 is still a different device, it's not completely different from stmp3700 though but it's not clear if you can reuse some code. The datasheet is available but I don't know any linux port for it |
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| 10:41:09 | lorenzo92 | indeed there was an official port to it by sigmatel. website is down and no links anywhere, I only found Marc that has the packages, hope I can get them :) |
| 10:42:26 | pamaury | ok, looking at the datasheet once again I think it's possible to make the stmp36xx a subtarget of the imx233 port. Many function blocks are the same with small variations or less functionalities. |
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| 10:42:36 | lorenzo92 | good :) |
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| 10:44:12 | pamaury | I have no idea about the firmware file format ? is it the same sb format used in the imx233 ? |
| 10:44:41 | pamaury | the datasheet suggests so |
| 10:44:53 | lorenzo92 | I still have no idea atm, I will did into that, but yes there are .sb files! |
| 10:45:01 | lorenzo92 | also the stmp35xx had them |
| 10:45:04 | lorenzo92 | 100% sure |
| 10:45:17 | lorenzo92 | *dig |
| 10:45:36 | wodz | pamaury: did you have time to look at rk27xx usb? |
| 10:46:34 | pamaury | I reverse engineered a little bit of it but right now I have no time to work on anything, I'm very busy with some work |
| 10:47:26 | pamaury | lorenzo92: iirc, the stmp35xx uses a completely different format and it's not even arm based |
| 10:47:54 | wodz | 35xx is dsp based no? |
| 10:48:05 | pamaury | yes |
| 10:48:09 | wodz | :-) |
| 10:48:16 | lorenzo92 | uhm okay |
| 10:48:23 | lorenzo92 | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31221 |
| 10:48:27 | lorenzo92 | we have an update |
| 10:48:31 | pamaury | impossible to program, nearly no compiler support, 24-bit word size :-o |
| 10:49:22 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: yeah the updater has inside .sb files :) |
| 10:50:08 | funman | forums are down ? |
| 10:50:17 | funman | ok just read the topic |
| 10:54:16 | wodz | pamaury: about nwz connector - you may look if sata plug will work |
| 10:54:47 | pamaury | wow, you think sata is compatible ? I'll try to find a sata cable to see |
| 10:55:23 | pamaury | lorenzo92: just tried quickly and sbtoelf doesn't like the header of the sb files for stmp36xx, i'll need to investigate this when i'll have time |
| 10:55:29 | wodz | pamaury: I am not 100% sure but it may |
| 10:56:40 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: could be there some keys to protect bootloader? hope not... |
| 10:57:29 | pamaury | no it's a different issue: some field encoding the header size doesn't have the expected value. It could mean the format is slightly different and/or that my tool should handle non-standard values |
| 10:57:52 | lorenzo92 | ok |
| 10:58:15 | lorenzo92 | if i'm correct imx233 = stmp37xx right? |
| 10:58:26 | wodz | stmp3780 |
| 10:59:16 | pamaury | stricly speaking imx233=stmp3780 but as rockbox is concerned, we will make the imx233 port more general because the differents aren't that big |
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| 11:00:11 | lorenzo92 | that makes me happy since I'm still a young computer scientist with lots of ideas but I never programmed on such a low level :D |
| 11:00:30 | wodz | time to start :-) its fun |
| 11:00:59 | lorenzo92 | yeah hihi it was really nice also working on my YP-R0 on the linux side, now time to go deeper haha |
| 11:02:54 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: in the meantime I will decode the .dat OF update file |
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| 11:07:35 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: I should receive the device withtin next days, middle of the next week.. |
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| 11:22:26 | ssbenss | happy thanksgiving all |
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| 11:33:50 | lorenzo92 | some hints about a possible "encryption" scheme? I think I will also have a look at the software updater to see that :) |
| 11:33:59 | lorenzo92 | *for the .dat firmware update |
| 11:35:27 | kugel | lorenzo92: are you done with the ypr0? :( |
| 11:36:24 | lorenzo92 | kugel: nono :) |
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| 11:39:03 | dizzylizzy | I wonder how feasible it would be to implement a vorbis encoder |
| 11:39:12 | dizzylizzy | for recording |
| 11:39:24 | * | dizzylizzy examines |
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| 11:43:06 | pamaury | lorenzo92: given the file sizes I would say there are two useful files there: updater.sb which is run in recovery mode to upgrade and perhaps the dat file which contains the firmware upgrade itself but it might be decrypted only the device and sent as is by the updater |
| 11:46:44 | lorenzo92 | yes I think that too |
| 11:49:33 | dizzylizzy | i must have something to do with floating point |
| 11:49:35 | dizzylizzy | it* |
| 11:55:41 | wodz | is tremor only for decoding? |
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| 11:58:29 | wodz | dizzylizzy: seems like there is no fixed point encoder for vorbis, this would be huge task then |
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| 12:09:12 | pamaury | lorenzo92: having a look at the sb file, it doesn't seem to have much in common with the stmp37xx ones. We clearly need the tool used to produce it and reverse engineer it. The BSP would be useful for this |
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| 12:19:50 | ssbenss | i would like to install rockbox on my eclipse t180sl and dont even know where i would start. all i can say is that i hate their stock Operating System |
| 12:22:21 | ssbenss | my fist question is ho possible that might be |
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| 12:23:08 | gevaerts | ssbenss: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort to get an idea about what's involved |
| 12:23:22 | ssbenss | okk thanks |
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| 12:27:24 | * | pamaury opens old hard drive with the very very very very old stuff he did about the stmp35xx in case he didn't throw it away |
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| 12:31:11 | pamaury | omg, I still have this stuff after so many years |
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| 13:30:43 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: I'm back here |
| 13:30:54 | lorenzo92 | something interesting then? |
| 13:31:25 | lorenzo92 | I have also a crappy old 256 mib player with stmp35xx :D |
| 13:34:36 | pamaury | I've had a quick look at the sb file. the format of the header is rather obvious. However the content seems encrypted or scrambled. I'll try a few things on it but without the BSP it will hard or impossible |
| 13:37:36 | soap | scorche`, you mentioned that you had a backup. To prevent issues reconciling couldn't you just open the forums read-only while investigating upgrade options? |
| 13:39:58 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: in the meantime I've sent samsung a request of sources for the Z5 in the opensource website, I doubt they will consider my request but who knows :) |
| 13:40:31 | pamaury | is it linux based ? is there any reason for them to accept ? |
| 13:41:06 | lorenzo92 | this is the point, I don't know if it's linux based at all hum hum dunno |
| 13:41:33 | lorenzo92 | and well they released the device drivers for R0 (modules) ... |
| 13:41:41 | lorenzo92 | after my request :) |
| 13:47:08 | pamaury | lorenzo92: I'm not a 100% sure but given the datasheet, the stmp3600 doesn't have any crypto hardware so the bootloader probably doesn't implement a complicated encryption scheme. On the stmp35xx it was a simple shift to scramble so here it might be sometimes like a xor but I doubt it's aes or someting similar |
| 13:54:32 | lorenzo92 | yes xor was in my mind also |
| 13:56:29 | pamaury | i'm thinking about a 32-bit xor with a table, something like: data[i] ^= xor_table[i % m] but that's just a guess, i'm giving it a small try before going back to work |
| 13:57:54 | pamaury | The datasheet suggest there are commands: load a binary blob, load from peripheral, branch. It's not clear if these are encrypted or not |
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| 15:45:46 | redsteakraw | mkamsboot seems to be giving problems it spits out |
| 15:45:47 | redsteakraw | mkamsboot: 1: mkamsboot: ��: not found |
| 15:45:48 | redsteakraw | mkamsboot: 1: mkamsboot: cannot create p7@@8@??� |
| 15:45:50 | redsteakraw | ��: Invalid argument |
| 15:45:51 | redsteakraw | mkamsboot: 1: mkamsboot: ELF: not found |
| 15:45:53 | redsteakraw | ��1: not foundmkamsboot: |
| 15:45:54 | redsteakraw | �: Invalid argumentboot: cannot create |
| 15:45:56 | redsteakraw | : not found2: mkamsboot: �m�UPX!� |
| 15:45:57 | redsteakraw | mkamsboot: 5: mkamsboot: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
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| 16:14:53 | redsteakraw | any thoughts on why mkamsboot isn't working? |
| 16:16:42 | gevaerts | How are you running it? |
| 16:19:21 | gevaerts | And what OS are you running? |
| 16:30:35 | redsteakraw | I fixed it I had to use a different version I tried both the 32bit and 64bit versions for linux |
| 16:30:38 | scorche` | soap: how do you suggest i open them read-only? I can't think of a good way to do that and still make the error messages tell the user what is going on - unless i actually find and edit the "dont have permissions" error message |
| 16:30:48 | redsteakraw | the base one linked to is completly broken |
| 16:31:43 | redsteakraw | one question I have a doom wad file where should I put it? |
| 16:32:15 | redsteakraw | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/mkamsboot/ |
| 16:32:28 | redsteakraw | that is the one that is broken |
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| 16:32:50 | AlexP | scorche`: Have you hit problems, or is it just that these things take time? |
| 16:33:02 | AlexP | And I wouldn't bother with read only personally :) |
| 16:33:10 | redsteakraw | and I ended up using http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/mkamsboot-1.6/linux-x86-64/ |
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| 16:33:45 | scorche` | AlexP: hit problems (of course) |
| 16:33:55 | scorche` | i can go into more detail once I am actually at work ;) |
| 16:34:01 | AlexP | sure :) |
| 16:35:47 | soap | scorche`, I'm not familiar with the forum software - ie will setting the DB read-only make every action error out. The message that nobody has write abilities temporary could be put in the same flashing banner space as all that other messages (like the "thanks for donations" and "sorry about the spam". |
| 16:36:04 | scorche` | people actually read that stuff? |
| 16:36:28 | scorche` | and yeah - many DB errors is generally not very user-friendly |
| 16:37:53 | soap | then allow full writing to the temp. clone but change the background to a disclaimer statement. Hard to miss that. |
| 16:38:33 | soap | My concern, and maybe it's not a shared concern (as in maybe soap is overly worried) is that the forum downtime presents an image problem. |
| 16:41:16 | scorche` | my concern is that an image problem is made worse by DB or permission errors without a proper notice on that message - OR making them writable and blowing away the last day or so of posts is a worse image problem than putting the forums in maintenance mode with a nice message |
| 16:41:20 | * | scorche` heads to work |
| 16:42:06 | soap | A days worth of messages on a non-holiday weekend = a dozen at most? |
| 16:42:31 | soap | would a manual merge be possible on such a volume? |
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| 16:47:38 | redsteakraw | One thing I wish rockbox could do is have a podcast section and be able to add all recently downloaded podcasts to a playlist. |
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| 16:52:29 | soap | or, here's a different idea - not sure it is better - but how about instead of the forums page landing you on a message which verbally redirects the user to the IRC channel "on the left" how about having the forums URL redirect to a (new) wiki page explaining the down time and providing instructions and links to the user's mailing list and IRC webclient? |
| 16:56:19 | gevaerts | redsteakraw: both http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/mkamsboot/linux-x86-64/mkamsboot and http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/mkamsboot-1.6/linux-x86-64/mkamsboot work for me |
| 16:59:50 | redsteakraw | gvaerts I used the 1.6 version and got it working thanks |
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| 17:00:36 | redsteakraw | The manual should point to the 1.6 version or copy the 1.6 version to the main mkamsboot folder. |
| 17:00:51 | gevaerts | Why? |
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| 17:02:49 | gevaerts | I mean, we probably should make a new mkamsboot release one of these days, but as far as I can see both the mkamsboot-1.6/ and mkamsboot/ files work |
| 17:06:32 | scorche|sh | soap: sounds like a lot of work for not much gain, to be honest - i would rather spend time trying to get the forums to upgrade |
| 17:06:54 | redsteakraw | they don't mkamsboot/ is broken for linux anyway |
| 17:07:07 | redsteakraw | both the 32 and 64 |
| 17:07:39 | redsteakraw | 1.6 works for linux fine |
| 17:07:51 | gevaerts | Then why do they work for me? |
| 17:07:51 | redsteakraw | I just tested it so I know |
| 17:08:10 | gevaerts | So have I |
| 17:08:46 | redsteakraw | I have an amd C-60 processor |
| 17:10:12 | redsteakraw | So it works for some but not all |
| 17:11:34 | redsteakraw | amsboot: 1: mkamsboot: ��: not found |
| 17:11:35 | redsteakraw | mkamsboot: 1: mkamsboot: ELF: not found |
| 17:11:37 | redsteakraw | ��1: not foundmkamsboot: |
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| 17:12:04 | redsteakraw | �%�%: No such file |
| 17:12:05 | redsteakraw | : not found2: mkamsboot: �m�UPX!� |
| 17:12:07 | redsteakraw | mkamsboot: 5: mkamsboot: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 17:12:08 | redsteakraw | that is what the default mkamsboot spits out. |
| 17:12:10 | redsteakraw | 1.6 worked as normal |
| 17:12:12 | gevaerts | http://pastie.org/5423687 |
| 17:15:05 | AlexP | redsteakraw: please use a pastebin |
| 17:23:01 | linuxstb | redsteakraw: How are you actually running it? i.e. what are you typing? |
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| 20:06:52 | jlbiasini | pamaury: Hello, here are 3 mores patch to push please! g#352 g#353 g#354 |
| 20:06:55 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #352 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/352 : [FUZE+] Rockblox plugin slight keymaps update by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/52/352/3) |
| 20:07:17 | jlbiasini | g#353 |
| 20:07:19 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #353 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/353 : [Fuze+] PictureFlow: complete keys mapping by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/53/353/1) |
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| 20:07:25 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #354 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/354 : [Fuze+] imageviewer: update/complete keymaps by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/54/354/2) |
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| 20:45:18 | phiii | Hey everybody. I can't solve the following self-caused problem: I wanted to install Rockbox via MacOsX installer, it went fine but I noticed that the mount directory of the player (Sansa Clip Zip) was not correct. In fact it was set to / (root) of the computer. The installer ran and said everything went fine, I found a clpza.bin file in my root dir (which probably should be on the player), but the Sansa player now shows a green freeze screen and doesn't mount |
| 20:45:21 | redsteakraw | linuxstb ./mkamsboot clpza.bin bootloader-clipzip.sansa patched.bin |
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| 20:46:09 | AlexP | phiii: Try holding the power button for 30 seconds or more |
| 20:46:36 | | Part LinusN |
| 20:46:45 | phiii | AlexP: It turns off, after turning it on it freezes in the green screen again |
| 20:47:16 | AlexP | phiii: Don't know I'm afraid, if you installed the patched firmware to / then Rockbox isn't installed at this point |
| 20:47:53 | phiii | AlexP: Yes, that's what I think as well. Do you happen to know if the Rockbox installer deletes previous firmware before copying the Rockbox one? |
| 20:48:13 | AlexP | No, it doesn't work like that |
| 20:48:40 | AlexP | We patch the firmware and put it on disk, then the next time you boot the player the Sansa firmware notices the file and uses it to update the firmware |
| 20:49:20 | phiii | Okay, so since no Rockbox firmware was copied there should be actually nothing changed on the Sansa player? |
| 20:49:40 | AlexP | Yes |
| 20:49:47 | AlexP | Well, that's the bootloader |
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| 20:50:28 | AlexP | If you also installed Rockbox then Rockbox Utility will have copied Rockbox to the Sansa, but that is just files on disk and won't do anything without our bootloader being installed |
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| 20:52:16 | AlexP | Nothing should have changed with the Sansa firmware certainly |
| 20:52:26 | phiii | I see. The main problem now is that I'm unable to mount fix the player anymore. This should on first sight have nothing to do with the rockboxing I tried. Thanks for your help, AlexP. |
| 20:52:41 | AlexP | No problem, although it is a bit weird |
| 20:53:05 | phiii | The .bin file in my root directory basically proves that I have chosen the wrong installation path, right? |
| 20:54:01 | phiii | which proves that there should be nothing changed on the player. |
| 20:54:31 | AlexP | It's hard for me to say for sure :) |
| 20:55:25 | phiii | :) I'll regard is as a Sansa problem now. |
| 20:55:33 | phiii | *it |
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| 22:19:17 | Belzebub | Hi |
| 22:20:30 | Belzebub | I've got iPod 5,5G. When I play *.flac vinylrip iPod laging for a while, how to repeair this? |
| 22:22:36 | wodz | What you mean? You experience delay to start playback or playback is choppy? |
| 22:24:33 | Belzebub | Ya, playback is choppy |
| 22:24:39 | SuperBrainAK | high processor usage? i know under the codec page it says some codecs requre more processor |
| 22:24:51 | wodz | flack is not cpu intensive |
| 22:24:59 | wodz | *flac |
| 22:25:04 | SuperBrainAK | k |
| 22:25:09 | gevaerts | What sort of sample rate are you using |
| 22:25:25 | gevaerts | Also, what sample size? |
| 22:26:57 | Belzebub | -rw-r−−r−− 1 satan satan 177010636 11-23 02:33 05. Gunslinger.flac |
| 22:27:25 | Belzebub | AUDIO: 192000 Hz, 2 ch, s32le, 5537.4 kbit/45.06% (ratio: 692177->1536000) |
| 22:27:36 | Belzebub | this is a example file |
| 22:27:58 | wodz | 192kHz sampling rate is the key here I guess |
| 22:28:03 | gevaerts | Right. That being problematic doesn't surprise me too much |
| 22:28:38 | wodz | oh and s32le sampling format although this should have smaller impact |
| 22:29:34 | wodz | Belzebub: Basically nothing can be done about this other then encode the file with more sane parameters |
| 22:31:18 | Belzebub | wodz: If I change hdd to ssd, problem probably fixed? |
| 22:31:32 | gevaerts | No |
| 22:31:58 | linuxstb | Belzebub: Rockbox will (poorly) resample to 44.1KHz during playback, so you may as well resample yourself. |
| 22:32:41 | gevaerts | My bet is that you're asking too much from the CPU. |
| 22:33:03 | wodz | gevaerts: or disk rather |
| 22:33:15 | * | gevaerts doesn't think so |
| 22:33:34 | * | wodz seeks for data |
| 22:34:34 | gevaerts | According to CodecPerformanceComparison, we're at about 600% realtime on ipod video for 44.1kHz 16 bit flac |
| 22:35:09 | wodz | gevaerts: yeah I confused kbit vs kbytes - disk should be fast enough |
| 22:36:02 | gevaerts | Going to 192kHz means four and a half times more samples to decode, which will I suspect scale linearly, so you have 137%, before even adding the 32 bit samples |
| 22:36:18 | redsteakraw | Anyone else exited about the new opus codec? |
| 22:37:06 | gevaerts | I have *no* idea how much that adds, but it won't be zero, and you need some CPU for non-decoding stuff too |
| 22:37:39 | wodz | and resampling, no? |
| 22:37:47 | gevaerts | True |
| 22:38:36 | AlexP | redsteakraw: Not really :) |
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| 22:42:46 | redsteakraw | Why not it is only the best lossy codec with low latency and is an IETF standard so it will be showing up in web browsers(already in firefox) and it is open source / non patent encumbered. AlexP |
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| 22:43:20 | AlexP | Because bugger all else will support it, and mp3 in higher bitrates (disk space is cheap) is just fine |
| 22:43:45 | AlexP | Car stereos for one example |
| 22:45:17 | redsteakraw | Car systems are implementing more and more comunication devices into them and as such will lead to opus support, anyways I just fill up my music player with a playlist and podcast and go on the road with my sansa Clip Zip |
| 22:46:08 | AlexP | I'd rather just use something that is fine and is supported by everything everywhere |
| 22:46:19 | redsteakraw | I can't relly on car steros to have any smarts to me they are dumb boxes that should just except a line in for my actual device. |
| 22:47:09 | redsteakraw | Well when every browser can open it, and most media players there really isn't going to be a problem opening or playing it. |
| 22:47:20 | AlexP | haha |
| 22:47:33 | wodz | sure just like with .ogg :-) |
| 22:47:54 | AlexP | exactly |
| 22:48:05 | redsteakraw | microsoft through skype took part in the making of it. |
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| 22:48:11 | AlexP | and? |
| 22:48:33 | redsteakraw | Xiph and Broadcom |
| 22:48:41 | wodz | and and? |
| 22:48:53 | AlexP | Yeah, I meant and so what |
| 22:48:56 | AlexP | Not who else |
| 22:49:06 | redsteakraw | I think Mozilla funded some development |
| 22:49:55 | AlexP | I don't care who funded it, and if people want to use it then great. I'm just not excited about yet another poorly supported codec, even if it's design is superior |
| 22:50:11 | AlexP | If I'm wrong and it becomes widely used then great |
| 22:50:15 | AlexP | I just don't expect it |
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| 22:51:32 | redsteakraw | the Web RTC standard is the most likely avenue most software will pick it up |
| 22:51:51 | AlexP | I'm believe that once I see it |
| 22:51:54 | AlexP | *I'll |
| 22:54:02 | redsteakraw | Right now firefox and vlc support it, Gstreamer I think supports it as well. It is going to be the default codec in both Skype and Mumble.(no suprise there) |
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| 22:55:57 | redsteakraw | http://www.ghacks.net/2012/09/12/opus-free-audio-codec-now-standardized/ |
| 22:56:45 | AlexP | Many codecs are standardised, many codecs are supported by vlc, many codecs are used by practically nobody |
| 22:57:01 | AlexP | This isn't really a topic for here by the way, more for #rockbox-community |
| 22:57:07 | wodz | redsteakraw: the real breakthrough will be ability to purchase music in this format which is unlikely |
| 22:57:57 | wodz | anyway we have opus support, probably as the first in portable music player segment so whats the fuss? |
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| 22:58:07 | redsteakraw | I personally just buy music in FLAC |
| 22:58:18 | alcor | Hi everybody ! |
| 22:58:18 | AlexP | yeah, I'm glad we have it, I'm not having a go at opus |
| 22:59:14 | redsteakraw | it is just an opusenc away, I recoment 64kbs to 90 for decent quality |
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| 22:59:45 | alcor | question .... some files on database ... its like doesnt work fine ... how can I remove thouse .. |
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| 23:00:09 | AlexP | I don't understand "its like doesnt work fine" |
| 23:00:35 | AlexP | If you want to exclude certain directories from the database you can put a database.ignore file in it |
| 23:00:37 | copper | one problem with Opus is that it resamples 44.1kHz audio to 48kHz, which has to be resampled back to 44.1 by Rockbox |
| 23:00:38 | alcor | start playing and sudenly ... skip to next song ... |
| 23:01:35 | AlexP | I think we have a UI way of selecting what is scanned to the db now too, although I don't know if it is fine grained enough for indiviual songs or just directoires |
| 23:01:45 | AlexP | copper: Yeah, and our resampler is not great |
| 23:03:00 | alcor | have a lot of files on DB that fail .. like start playing and then skip |
| 23:03:12 | AlexP | That isn't db related |
| 23:03:28 | AlexP | An example of a problem track would be useful |
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| 23:03:47 | alcor | you mean the format ?? |
| 23:03:56 | AlexP | no, an actual track |
| 23:04:13 | copper | an actual file |
| 23:04:14 | redsteakraw | I have to thank the guys that ported doom to rockbox it runs great on my clipzip |
| 23:04:55 | AlexP | alcor: You could try encoding some random noise the same way as you encoded the problem track, if it also skips let us have the track |
| 23:05:39 | copper | developers should benefit from a fair use clause in copyright law |
| 23:05:58 | alcor | Ok .. now I get you .. the files were in the Ipod classic before I install rockbox .. I didnt copy them .. |
| 23:06:03 | copper | I mean it would be nice if they did |
| 23:06:05 | AlexP | copper: It's so bloody complicated depnding on where you live tec. |
| 23:06:27 | alcor | i Live in Argentiona :D |
| 23:06:32 | alcor | *Argentina |
| 23:10:14 | copper | alcor: did you use the Rockbox installer when you installed Rockbox? |
| 23:13:35 | alcor | sure ... do I reinstall?? |
| 23:13:54 | copper | ok then you don't have an iPod Classic |
| 23:14:04 | copper | maybe an iPod Video |
| 23:15:30 | alcor | mine is and old one 30G .. |
| 23:15:45 | alcor | all black |
| 23:16:08 | copper | how did those files get there? |
| 23:16:18 | copper | did you transfer them to the iPod via iTunes? |
| 23:19:28 | alcor | mmm think so .. the ipod was of a friend ... :$ I know ... this issues with this descriptions ... you want to answer .. Hey dude .. how do you want me to help yyou ?? hhahahaa |
| 23:21:13 | copper | try to find the path and filename of a file that gets skipped and upload it somewhere |
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| 23:22:07 | alcor | ok .. checking |
| 23:23:30 | copper | long press "select" |
| 23:23:39 | copper | "show track info" |
| 23:23:54 | copper | and way to the bottom of the list, "path" |
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| 23:28:50 | copper | then connect your iPod to your computer, copy that file from your iPod to your computer, then upload that file to dropbox or whatever |
| 23:29:54 | alcor | sure ... of course .. looking for a file that fails ... and cant find it now !!! :P |
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| 23:50:08 | alcor | got it .. but cant copy |
| 23:53:13 | copper | alcor: why not? |
| 23:55:16 | alcor | I think that the internal disk of the ipod is dying |
| 23:55:58 | copper | maybe the filesystem is corrupted |
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| 23:56:58 | alcor | How I run a check ? |
| 23:58:57 | copper | Use your OS' filesystem checker on it, like with any hard drive, I guess |
| 23:58:59 | alcor | when I connect to win 7 ... it asks me to check the FS ... |
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