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#rockbox log for 2012-11-27

00:00:03scorche|shif you would liek to help test them, please edit your hosts file to point at
00:00:14Tornexenyz: we generally *do* expect that people will retag their music correctly if they want to use any features that are dependent on tags, yes
00:00:23gevaertsscorche|sh: do we have any sort of spam filtering in place yet?
00:00:28pamaurylorenzo92: I've committed my work; for now it cannot produce elf files but that will be easy step, I'll do it tomorrow. You can play with it if you want to try to understand the code if you want.
00:00:45lorenzo92thanks :)
00:00:56scorche|shgevaerts: nothing outside of what is built-in
00:01:11pamauryoops, I forgot files
00:01:14scorche|shgevaerts: there are new features where they also have to pass a captcha for their first 2 posts as well
00:01:34scorche|shgevaerts: verification questions too
00:02:01scorche|shif this captcha keeps being broken, i can move it up one more level (sometimes unreadable though) and i can also look at the recaptcha mod
00:02:23scorche|shunfortunately, the biggest casualty in the mod department seems to be the auto-merge double post mod
00:02:44Torneif we can make any impact ont he spam whatsoever i'll live without automerging double posts.
00:02:59scorche|shwell, we will see once i make it live
00:03:10*gevaerts nods
00:03:29scorche|shif there are no glaring issues, i will clone that instance over to the real server and get it live tonight
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00:04:04AlexPLooks fine
00:04:12AlexPEverything seems to take a bit more space
00:04:21AlexPi.e. spacings are bigger or some such
00:04:32scorche|shyeah - that is a spacing or fonts thing
00:04:41scorche|shfont is different
00:04:55gevaertsCan we (if the spam measures aren't enough) require moderator approval for the someone's first few posts?
00:05:39scorche|shgevaerts: i will check - from what i saw, there is moderation, but all i saw was that it was for certain boards - not for certain user groups
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00:05:49scorche|shi will double-check though - there ought to be something
00:06:24gevaertsThe other option would be to require approval for new members I guess
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00:07:08xenyzOh yeah my other question: is it possible to edit how the files show in the playlist? Right now it's showing the file name, but could I choose to just show the title?
00:07:20gevaertsWe don't necessarily need any of them right away, I'd just like not to have to have the next defense ready yesterday...
00:07:32*AlexP sees he has an entirely useless admin section :)
00:07:37AlexPThere is nothing in it :)
00:07:50AlexPxenyz: Unfortunately no
00:08:15scorche|shgevaerts: agreed
00:08:16Tornewe don't load the metadata until the file is actually buffered
00:08:19scorche|shAlexP: erm - really?
00:08:27Torneso, we don't know what the tags are for arbitrary files int he playlist
00:08:28xenyzAlexP: ok thanks for the answer
00:08:34AlexPscorche|sh: well no, there is some info and that :)
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00:08:46scorche|shi will have to have a look at permissions then - you were a global....erm
00:08:52AlexPscorche|sh: It is working fine, there is just nothing for me to do there
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00:09:03lorenzo92pamaury: I think that we could also port the hwemul to stmp36xx ...
00:09:08AlexPBut I've just found the moderate button which does have the old options
00:09:12AlexPAs far as I can see
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00:09:32scorche|shi guess i dont know exactly what you used to see
00:09:37gevaertsI think having playlist code look things up in the database (if available) would be reasonable (and better than parsing metadata every time...), but nobody has done that
00:10:07xenyzWell thank you guys for developing rockbox, my iPod died a few weeks ago and I dug out an old Sansa Fuse. So far it's been a nice change from the iPod-iTunes world with just a few minor issues :)
00:10:10AlexPscorche|sh: I think it is fine, it is just it used to be under admin, but now I have an admin and a moderate button, and given I'm not an admin the admin section is a bit superfluous :)
00:10:29AlexPWell, apart from a quick link to the members list
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00:10:57xenyzbtw whats the expected life span of the sansa fuze? :)
00:11:33AlexPwow, Febs - that's a name from the past
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00:11:47AlexPand XavierGr
00:11:57*AlexP is viewing the member groups :)
00:13:43AlexPscorche|sh: Is it possible to exclude posts in Spam from the Recent Posts?
00:14:11gevaertsBah! "Time required between posts from the same IP". That would be *ideal* if we could have that only for new members...
00:15:51gevaertsOh well, maybe there's a mod for that sort of thing
00:17:30scorche|shgevaerts: there still is a logical time for that for regular users
00:17:39scorche|shbut yeah - there are some nifty settings
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00:18:01scorche|shAlexP: i dont think so, but i can check later - it is only there for those who can see that folder
00:18:22AlexPscorche|sh: None of the lists seem to colour username by membergroup (except for the list of users online at the bottom)
00:18:29AlexPscorche|sh: OK, no worries
00:18:34*gevaerts looks through mods
00:19:29scorche|shAlexP: yes - that was an old mod - MCLegendII or something like that - it hasnt been updated to 2.x
00:19:36AlexPOK, shame
00:19:56scorche|sheven more important, the user badges by member group mod is gone
00:20:53AlexPoh, so the badges we have are relics from the old system?
00:21:49scorche|shi guess so? - i dont know - i didnt have time to look into it further
00:22:05scorche|shas far as i am concerned, the forums are ready to go back up now and we can look at refining it later
00:22:29AlexPIt looks fine from my point of view
00:22:44AlexPYou and gevaerts can plug away at it at your leisure :)
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01:02:21boryfhi guys
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01:04:02boryfwhen i wakeup my ipod, it shows "boot menu" where i can select rockbox, open console or shutdown ipod. How can I disable this menu and select rockbox directly?
01:04:19AlexPA classic I'm guessing?
01:04:39boryfyes, iPod classic 80GB
01:04:44AlexPThat's emcore, which isn't ours
01:05:10AlexP[7] should know if it is possible, or the freemyipod people
01:05:24AlexPOr maybe another user here :)
01:05:32coppergo in "Tools"
01:05:46copperselect "boot rockbox directly" or whatever the option is called
01:06:29copperthe Tools icon is somewhat hidden, you have to rotate the icons some
01:06:37copper(i.e. scroll)
01:06:46copperit's easy to miss
01:08:01copperTools -> Settings -> Fastboot Action -> Rockbox
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01:09:50copperif you ever wanna go back to the emCORE menu, boot while holding Select and Menu together
01:09:55copperer no
01:09:58copperjust Select
01:10:03copperjust Menu
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01:11:44boryfbut there is no "Tools" icon in main menu, there are only "Files", System", "Settings" etc, but no Tools
01:12:28[7]copper: actually any button will work :)
01:12:57[7]fastboot is performed if no button is being pressed while the boot menu gets executed
01:13:37[7]boryf: in the boot menu, not in rockbox
01:15:19boryf[7] i have it, thank you very much!
01:15:25copperI see
01:16:26boryf[copper] thank you too
01:16:36boryfbye guys! :)
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03:26:02Noman_Hello, is anyone here?
03:26:29Noman_I need some help with my Sansa Clip+, I can't seem to boot into the original firmware.
03:34:18[Saint]The only thing that should prevent that is user error, or damaged hardware.
03:36:30Noman_Well, I've been pressing the vol down for the last year or so and that worked fine, but now it doesn't do that. What would be damaged that would cause it? The vol down still works on the player.
03:41:12[Saint]You're using volume, why?
03:42:03[Saint]You might want to try giving the manual a read.
03:42:10[Saint]Starting with the section linked above.
03:43:24[Saint]Noman_: ^
03:44:05Noman_I am retarded.
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04:49:44Topic"Rockbox 3.12 released | Please read before speaking: | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at" by scorche (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
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05:15:48resistanceSorry to bardge in, but my sansa fuze's scrolling function is completely broken, is there any way of setting up rockbox to use the pause, fast forward, rewind, and menu keys as directional inputs?
05:17:05[Saint]You should be able to navigate the menu using these keys anyway.
05:17:16[Saint]regardless of scrolling being broken or not.
05:19:19resistanceI can't it uses them as function keys, like home, or resume
05:20:44[Saint]Well, to answer your question: Yes. Yes you can.
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05:21:55[Saint]It will involve you checking out a copy of the source code from git, setting up a development environment, compiling the arm-eabi toolchain; making the appropriate keymap changes; and then compiling your own binary.
05:21:58xenyzresistance: is the wheel 'stuck' ?
05:22:10resistanceNo it is not
05:22:19resistanceWell, it was, but that wasn't the problem
05:22:24resistanceI think I fixed it
05:22:35xenyzI just revived a fuze that had beer spilled on it; it had a stuck scroll wheel
05:22:49resistanceIt was the white sheets of paper that were jamming it
05:22:57resistanceI cut those off
05:23:21[Saint]...white sheets of paper...?
05:23:44resistanceLittle white ends of cardboard inside the wheel
05:26:39resistanceDoes anyone know how the sansa fuze registers the wheel turning?
05:27:37xenyzI haven't opened mine up just yet
05:28:23resistanceWell I'm assuming its these two little spikes of metal sticking out from the inside of the wheel... I have mine nice and fully dissassembled
05:29:25xenyzWhen i spin the wheel you can feel it catching about 12 times per revolution
05:29:40xenyzThat's probably it
05:30:48resistanceWell, thats due to sheets of paper on the inside that are prone to jamming the wheel
05:30:52xenyzi bet the wheel closes the connection on one side or the other to have it register 'clockwise' or 'counter-clockwise'
05:31:05[Saint]Unless I'm mistaken, that mechanism is solely to provide haptic feedback to the user.
05:31:20[Saint]ie. a "click" feeling.
05:31:23resistanceYes it is
05:31:39xenyzit's spring-loaded though, i can put the wheel 'in between' positions and it snaps back
05:32:23xenyzi wonder if the device is on that ifixit site
05:32:49resistanceIts not jammed anymore, its just unresponisive
05:32:55resistancethe buttons are fully functionall
05:33:00resistanceJust the wheel
05:34:48xenyzHmm I wish I was more familiar with it, sorry :/
05:35:24resistanceNot a problem
05:35:28xenyzas far as i can tell, rockbox would be un-usable without the scroll wheel too
05:35:42resistanceHmm =\
05:35:48resistanceThat is unfortunate
05:36:07resistanceAlso, does anyone know of where I can just get a replacement?
05:36:14xenyzif you did manage to re-map those buttons, you'd lose the current functionality as well. unless you designed something like a super-long-press to do the usual long-press
05:36:15resistanceI haven't found any
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05:36:53xenyzReplacement scroll wheel? or replacement device? :)
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05:37:05resistanceReplacement scroll wheel
05:37:14resistance=\ The device is a bit outside of my price range
05:37:15xenyzI'd check on eBay I suppose
05:38:18resistance=\ No dice
05:39:00xenyzHrm have you had it less than a year? I could be a warranty claim, perhaps
05:39:20xenyzOr maybe contact SanDisk directly, some companies are nice and swap out defective units even after the warranty period
05:39:56xenyzi.e. ask them about a replacement scroll wheel, get a new device instead ;)
05:40:13resistanceYea, this one was a used unit baught on newegg
05:40:26resistanceBut I might try conntacting them
05:40:34xenyzCouldn't hurt to try
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05:41:17resistanceYea, by contact do you mean call, or do they have an irc up?
05:41:59resistanceo.o What?
05:42:02xenyzI'd find an email address on their corporate site and send them a nice letter
05:42:09resistanceAh I see
05:42:34xenyzSorry I thought it was kind of funny the second way you'd think to contact them was irc :)
05:42:39resistanceI know some places have irc's and most just use telephones
05:42:51resistanceAcer has an Irc =P
05:43:09xenyzSeems kind of the wrong tool for the job though
05:43:25xenyzI could be wrong, though
05:43:48resistanceWell, not quite an Irc
05:43:51xenyzPublic chat to get customer service? I wouldn't think it works
05:43:57resistanceActually not an irc at all =o
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05:44:36resistanceIt connects you straight to a costumer service adgent
05:44:55xenyzAhh like live chat on their web site..
05:45:23xenyzAnyway shoot them an email, you never know
05:45:50xenyzThe problem with these lower-priced electronics is, it's always cheaper to replace them than to repair them
05:47:02resistanceYea, if you know someplace that sells them for less than fifte dollars, then I would go for it
05:47:49xenyzbtw did you find the headphone connection on the Fuze a bit loose?
05:48:41xenyzI'm wondering if it was the beer spill that's caused it, but it seems to cut out if i move the headphone jack even a small amount
05:48:55xenyzIt doesn't hold it very well, but it could be the design
05:50:32xenyzAnyway, still an impressive little music player. I just started using it a few days ago when my iPod gave up
05:51:57resistanceYea, my headphone jack is fine :O
05:57:26xenyzAh well, perhaps it's because I have an L-shaped headphone jack, it might tug on it sideways a bit more
06:00:12xenyzvs the iPod I can't tell but it seems to have about the same audio quality
06:01:29xenyzI wish I could remember how much I bought this thing for. It was supposed to be a gift for my brother last xmas, but someone gave him an iPod as well
06:02:04xenyzI remember thinking it was a deal, it must have been around CAD$50 or something...
06:02:22xenyzBut looking up the current prices it looks like it's somewhere around $80-100 :/
06:03:12resistanceYea =\ and they're on sale
06:03:26xenyzDid the price go up because of rockbox? :)
06:04:13resistance=P That would be nice
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06:10:25scorcheAs a point of note regarding the forums - there are still a number of things i need to do to speed them up (caching and such), so load on the server is higher than typical right now
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06:23:16scorche....and of course after i say that, they seem to go down
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06:43:16*[Saint] wants to talk to a costumer service agent.
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06:53:47xenyzIf your wardrobe is malfuctioning, you need to speak to a costumer service agent
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08:02:44scorcheok - forums database is restored....
08:03:05scorcheapparently these tables dont like being optimised
08:03:36scorchei can try to optimise again at a later time when i have backups ready...
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12:32:57copperthere's a brightness parameter missing in Rockbox for the Clip+
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12:33:13copperone can adjust brightness in the OF but not in Rockbox
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16:05:41pamaurylorenzo92: I tried to run elftosb.exe on rockbox.elf and it crashes :-/ Proprietary tools...
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16:20:04lorenzo92pamaury: :S
16:25:41pamaurythat's not a real problem but I wanted to use that tool to generate all types of commands, in particular fill commands but as soon as I ask the tool to load a elf file, it's not working
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17:08:05lorenzo92pamaury: well, I can't help much :) but may be possible some issues with environment (e.g. type of a file)
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17:08:33pamauryanyway I don't really need to run this tool but I find it odd
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17:43:17lorenzo92but you tried on what executable? "rockbox.elf"? is it something compiled for anohter cpu?
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17:59:29saratogaanyone feel like updating the project news to say that we have new forums software?
17:59:59lorenzo92good to know :D
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18:20:06amayer_what is the anti-spam we use on the forums again?
18:20:08amayer_and are we using the same one?
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18:35:09apo_Amazon currently has a deal for a Sansa Clip Zip, for the same price as the Clip+
18:35:18apo_Is "Not all plugins have been updated for the Zip's screen size" the only issue of the clip zip port?
18:35:28apo_apart from the manual thing, that is
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19:08:34gevaertsapo_: details like that, yes. Also the USB issue for some people (which also happens on clipv2, clip+, and fuzev2)
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19:12:04apo_gevaerts: Thanks
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19:44:47mercutio22been a long time. Do I still have to boot into iplayer in order to transfer music files to sansa clip+ or does rockbox can do it now?
19:45:17mercutio22Oh yeah it can!
19:45:56mercutio22one more satisfied customer
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19:55:12lorenzo92pamaury: tell me if I'm wrong, with your tool I can now get the elf out of .sb and then treat it with IDA or so?
19:55:25lorenzo92would be nice to know something about the
19:56:15pamaurynot yet, you can dump the structure on stdout but it doesn't produce any elf file yet. I'm working on it
19:56:35pamauryby the way, I *may* have found a yp-z5 for 10€
19:58:36lorenzo92good to know :)
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20:03:09pamauryit's amazing that the service manual has so much information about the player like the schematics
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20:09:02lorenzo92yeah ;)
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20:09:37lorenzo92seems that they use pretty much the standard pins to do the job (e.g. touchpad)
20:09:54lorenzo92as I quickly saw in the SDK
20:19:10bertrikcopper: I think clip+ uses the contrast setting, while the clip zip uses the brightness setting
20:19:46bertrikbrightness is usually done with the backlight, but OLEDs don't have a backlight :)
20:20:44bertrikwe might need to mutex the display command stuff, to avoid conflict between backlight brightness setting code and normal display access
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20:24:14bertrikas long as we don't use any kernel stuff that causes a thread switch in the display driver, it'll probably be ok to not have a mutex for the display functions
20:39:13amayer_i never thought i would cry while looking at source code... but this theme site makes me cringe
20:40:35amayer_i updated the database class to use prepared statements.
20:40:39AlexPIt isn't terribly polite to say that, keep in mind that people probably here wrote it
20:41:02amayer_*is sorry if he offended anyone*
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20:41:26AlexPThere are better ways of phrasing these things
20:42:00amayer_but there are functions in the code that look like:
20:42:02amayer_function blah($var, $var){
20:42:04amayer_ return array();
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20:42:17AlexPIt means nothing to me, and that isn't the point
20:42:42AlexPI'm not saying you are right or wrong, I'm just saying you should try to be tactful
20:43:01amayer_its a function that takes 2 parameters and returns an empty array no matter what
20:43:12AlexPAgain, not the point I was making
20:43:25amayer_AlexP: I understand what your saying
20:50:29pamaurylorenzo92: I found why the tool crashes, it doesn't like the .ARM.attributes section, removing it solves the problem
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20:57:49scorche`amayer_: we needed a themesite quite badly - i am very grateful to those who stepped up to make it no matter how they code - it works
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21:13:20amayer_I didnt mean to come across as rude. and like I said I didnt mean to offend anyone.
21:13:23amayer_Reading it again now I can see how it seemed very rude, especially to the person(s) who took time to make the theme site in the first place.
21:13:25amayer_Ive writen more then my fair share of bad code.
21:13:27amayer_It was ment more as a joke. (there is old code lingering around, unused funtions, stuff like that) this comes with any project that more then 1 person works on.
21:13:29amayer_scorche`: I am very grateful for the people who stepped up and made it too. having interchangeable themes was one of the reasons I even put rockbox on my iPod classic even tho it was labled "unusable"(which i now know doesnt mean it doesnt work).
21:13:33amayer_to anyone who was offended or worked on the theme site personally: I am sorry
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21:19:49lorenzo92pamaury: I *possibly* have some clues about the Z5Update...
21:21:04lorenzo92pamaury: XOR also in there (I guessed :) )
21:21:16lorenzo92need to try to find all the keys
21:21:21lorenzo920xa3, 0xb8, 0xf9, .... :)
21:22:21lorenzo92pamaury: casually, the first 2 bytes are spread all over the file, while also the 3 bytes are somewhere in the file, moreover in YP-R0's firmware format casually 0xA3 is also the first key LoL
21:23:50copperbertrik: I see, thanks
21:24:33lorenzo92* the previous sentence makes sense assuming 0 bytes in original format (I've exploited the fact that first bytes in sb files are zero)
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