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| 07:41:46 | rmmh | the Clip+ page says that some models come with Si4702 chips, is there any ways to determine what model number my chip is? the FM info says SI4700 |
| 07:42:15 | rmmh | but debug.c doesn't seem to have any discrimination between SI470x models |
| 07:53:28 | rmmh | from a datasheet and the registers on the fm info page, it looks like it actually is a Si4703... which means that this Clip+ should support RDS |
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| 07:56:56 | dongs | how the hell can I configure voice activated recording |
| 07:57:03 | dongs | what are those dB values and why is there no preview |
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| 08:06:21 | Mir | dongs: dB values are the audio level |
| 08:06:37 | Mir | volume |
| 08:07:04 | dongs | yea and? |
| 08:07:08 | dongs | where's the preview of what it is? |
| 08:07:13 | dongs | i have no idea what '35dB' is |
| 08:07:29 | dongs | im talking about the UI for configuring voice activated recording |
| 08:07:36 | Mir | preview of what what is? |
| 08:07:55 | Mir | oh |
| 08:08:08 | dongs | yes |
| 08:08:38 | dongs | 'start above -35dB' |
| 08:08:50 | dongs | i would have expected a preview in that same dialog that actually shows the levels |
| 08:08:54 | dongs | and maybe numbers. |
| 08:10:59 | dongs | there is a graph when previewing recording, but no nubmers in it |
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| 08:20:18 | wodz | pamaury: So what is the consensus? I looked at logs and I don't quite get how should I proceed. |
| 08:22:41 | wodz | gevaerts: Regarding rk27xx usb hw - OF simply don't touch requests handled by hw. It doesn't change internal state for GET ADDRESS and SET CONFIGURATION. |
| 08:22:59 | dongs | so um anyone? how do I configure the trigger limits in voice recorder |
| 08:23:38 | wodz | So in this case it doesn't need interrupt. I find this awkward but thats how they manage this. |
| 08:23:53 | wodz | dongs: Whats the problem? |
| 08:24:03 | dongs | wodz, meaningless numbers without preview |
| 08:24:07 | dongs | for start/stop triggers |
| 08:24:16 | dongs | I don't know what "-35dB" is and there's no reference/preview |
| 08:24:37 | wodz | How do you expect the preview to be working? |
| 08:24:54 | dongs | i dont know , perhaps mic bars with actual numbers would be helpful |
| 08:25:02 | dongs | so i could you know, make some noise and see if thats above 35dB or not. |
| 08:25:11 | wodz | you are welcome to propose the patch |
| 08:25:20 | dongs | this is under settings/recording/trigger |
| 08:25:35 | dongs | i found references to voice activated recording as old as 2008 |
| 08:25:43 | dongs | surely in 4+ years someone had similar idea. |
| 08:26:05 | wodz | If there is no such option you have been proofed wrong |
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| 08:26:23 | dongs | is tehre any way to get actual dB values when recording then? |
| 08:26:28 | dongs | all i see is bars, which also don't mean anything to me |
| 08:26:32 | dongs | as Im not an audio pro |
| 08:26:37 | dongs | are the ticks signifying anything? |
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| 08:28:34 | wodz | the bar represent signal level in either linear or logarithmic scale (depending on setting IMO). right most is 0dB left most is -infinity (or the max attenuation hw supports - don't know) |
| 08:29:02 | dongs | cute. |
| 08:29:06 | dongs | it killed all my USB devices again |
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| 08:32:24 | dongs | annd now its frozen with USB pic. |
| 08:32:28 | wodz | dongs: The point is that -35dB is not meaningless but has very precisely defined meaning. |
| 08:32:46 | dongs | wodz, i dont have anything that displays current sound level in dB. |
| 08:33:16 | wodz | thats rather unrelated |
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| 08:35:15 | dongs | really? |
| 08:36:35 | dongs | so how does one configure voice activated recording then |
| 08:37:21 | rmmh | I'm trying to enable RDS support on Clip+, and it looks like it's choking because the hardware can come with multiple tuners −− do I need to implement custom tuner_get_rds_info functions that will respond to either one |
| 08:38:24 | dongs | rmmh: is there any way to see current mic sound levels as dB on clip+ |
| 08:39:38 | rmmh | dongs: maybe a custom recording theme? (.sbs) |
| 08:39:48 | dongs | where do i find that? |
| 08:40:16 | rmmh | .rockbox/wps |
| 08:41:08 | dongs | i see something that looks like .ini files there |
| 08:41:15 | dongs | wouldnt even know where to start changing as a user. |
| 08:41:20 | dongs | is there anything I can just download and use? |
| 08:43:02 | dongs | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/VolumeTriggeredRecording this is all nice and well documented, but has the biggest problem for a normal user: all the inputs are in numeric dB, which are not available anywhere in UI as far as I can tell |
| 08:43:35 | wodz | in recording settings you can set min and max for peak meter. So you can set low limit the same as your trigger and you will instantly see if you are above threshold or not |
| 08:44:24 | wodz | I agree that tick could have numerical value displayed. |
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| 08:46:13 | copper | Torne: I'm getting high stereo crosstalk from my Galaxy Nexus which has a TRRS socket with a TRS jack inserted |
| 08:46:23 | dongs | and WHY DOES IT KILL ALL USB PORTS ON MY COMPUTER. |
| 08:46:32 | copper | -46dB |
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| 08:49:04 | dongs | installing just themes doesnt work..... |
| 08:49:09 | dongs | in rockbox utility |
| 08:50:10 | dongs | rmmh: i dont even see how to do custom skin in recording. |
| 08:50:42 | wodz | recording screen does not support skins. Only sbs AFAIK |
| 08:50:51 | dongs | well i dont even know what taht is. |
| 08:51:32 | dongs | i'm a user, who reads manuals. |
| 08:52:44 | dongs | having to replug every USB device into my computer is getting fucking old too |
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| 09:05:26 | dongs | man... rockbox customWPS manual is like a forest of shit I dont want to / need to know |
| 09:05:37 | dongs | all I want to do is display dB values in recording that cant be SO HARD TO DO |
| 09:06:21 | dongs | i dont understand how every setting related to recording is measured in dB, but there is no way to see the numbers. |
| 09:14:07 | rmmh | hrm, seem to have my radio received RDS data now, but it's not propagating up... |
| 09:15:48 | dongs | i dont think i can even receive a single FM station here |
| 09:15:57 | dongs | i havent listened to any radio in about 20 years |
| 09:16:04 | dongs | is tehre actually places where radio is relevant in 2012? |
| 09:16:10 | dongs | some 3rd world countries i guess? |
| 09:16:50 | rmmh | most people in cars? |
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| 09:25:44 | rmmh | is there any sort of kernel logging I can do? |
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| 09:27:32 | lorenzo92 | pamaury (logs): no it doesn't handle all the YP players |
| 09:27:45 | lorenzo92 | I have reversed also another YP firmware format ;) |
| 09:27:52 | lorenzo92 | one of the recent models |
| 09:29:47 | lorenzo92 | pamaury (logs): so till now I know something like 3 different firmware formats: the old YP -> encrypted tar.gz; the middle YP -> R0/R1/*maybe R2/ -> the latter YP -> not encrypted, just play with some offsets |
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| 09:32:24 | lorenzo92 | kugel pamaury: here you can find my (dirty :D) python script for the latter: http://pastebin.com/h6EL7u1y |
| 09:32:57 | lorenzo92 | I think the best option is to <<create an option>> since generalization cannot be feasible, in my opinion |
| 09:33:57 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: btw, I finally modded the rootfs to get rid of the password in Z5 :) HW is really interesting, if you need some information just ask (there are also a lot of diagnosis programs) |
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| 10:29:42 | wodz | ha, I think I know why rk27xx usb exhibits 'no interfaces' - it does not define any type of endpoints in config.h |
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| 10:59:07 | wodz | pamaury: ping |
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| 11:01:10 | pamaury | pong |
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| 11:01:41 | wodz | <wodz> ha, I think I know why rk27xx usb exhibits 'no interfaces' - it does not define any type of endpoints in config.h |
| 11:02:20 | wodz | and another thing - how should I proceed with SET ADDRESS and SET CONFIGURATION requests |
| 11:02:22 | pamaury | the outcome of the discussion is that we keep this design because in theory nothing bad can happen and we allow for direct call of set address and set config so that this kind of controller can be handled. I'll do the change in a minute |
| 11:02:53 | pamaury | by the way, your current patch still has a problem: you need to check for changes in the flag both the tick task and at the beginning of the udc_int |
| 11:03:41 | wodz | you mean to sort out the boot caused by usb plug? |
| 11:04:24 | pamaury | I don't understand |
| 11:04:28 | wodz | me too |
| 11:05:16 | wodz | what you mean by udc_init ? |
| 11:05:59 | pamaury | *udc_int |
| 11:06:10 | pamaury | interrupt handler |
| 11:06:32 | wodz | ah |
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| 11:07:16 | pamaury | do you see why ? |
| 11:07:25 | wodz | yes, I think |
| 11:07:38 | pamaury | great :) |
| 11:07:52 | pamaury | I'll do the change in usb_core and pastebin it |
| 11:08:14 | wodz | can't the stack simply ignore this requests and assume the hw will take care? Thats what OF does |
| 11:09:14 | gevaerts | The reason we care is that we decide which interfaces to present at connect time, and we only kknow about the connection when we see one of these |
| 11:09:54 | gevaerts | Changing that is probably not impossible, but that's more thinking :) |
| 11:10:33 | pamaury | not to say that this is the only way to properly handle multiple configurations (even though we don't have such a thing) |
| 11:11:27 | pamaury | Anyway this controller is pretty dumb |
| 11:11:52 | wodz | thats out of question :-) |
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| 11:14:16 | pamaury | gevaerts: about directly handling the set addr/config, there is a slight issue: what if we are in an interrupt context ? I don't think that's dangerous but I don't really like the idea of doing the full init_connection() in an interrupt handler |
| 11:16:47 | wodz | since this issue is so specific maybe we can live with fake packets crafted and simply take care that no two such packets are issued in single run |
| 11:17:58 | wodz | hmm, this does not allow to check in udc_int though :/ |
| 11:18:33 | pamaury | I prefer a direct handling but since it could be called for the interrupt handler we need to make sure that's safe |
| 11:19:33 | wodz | I still can't think of the reason anyone want such hybrid scheme as this core provides. Thats insane. |
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| 11:22:26 | pamaury | that's mostly because we can't do dynamic allocation |
| 11:23:10 | wodz | no I mean in general - whats the purpose of handling some specific setup steps in hw? |
| 11:23:53 | wodz | and without proper irq notify |
| 11:25:46 | gevaerts | pamaury: good point |
| 11:26:02 | gevaerts | Especially the init_connection() bit is dangerous I'd say |
| 11:26:30 | pamaury | gevaerts: we could introduce some new ids in the usb_queue ? |
| 11:26:41 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 11:26:46 | gevaerts | That's probably the best way |
| 11:27:31 | pamaury | something like USB_NOTIFY_SET_ADDR, which argument is the addr and USB_NOTIFY_SET_CONFIG, which argument is the config |
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| 11:27:49 | * | gevaerts nods |
| 11:28:04 | pamaury | ok, let me come up with an implementation and then we'll see |
| 11:28:56 | wodz | pamaury: maybe we don't need tick_task then and it will be sufficient to check in udc_int? |
| 11:29:43 | pamaury | I think that's sufficient yes. Because if you don't get any int after set config it means you don't need to configure the drivers, same things for set address |
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| 11:39:10 | pamaury | gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/nkVKJe36 |
| 11:39:32 | pamaury | I'll be away for a moment, let me know if you have comments on this |
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| 12:05:48 | webguest52 | Hi! I am tihinking about contributing to the Rockbox firmware. First, I had a look at the tracker. There are many submitted patches that were ignored, starting from 2006. Why is that? I don't want my improvements to end like that. |
| 12:06:29 | Torne | we don't use the bugtracker for patches any more |
| 12:06:39 | Torne | it wasn't ever a particularly good way to keep track of stuff |
| 12:07:14 | Torne | lots of patches never get committed because they aren't very good, or they don't work on all targets, or the author never gave us their real name, or because the author never actually asked an appropriate developer to take a look at it |
| 12:07:27 | Torne | but, we also never committed lots of thos epatches because we only have finite time to look at them |
| 12:07:39 | Torne | we use gerrit for patches now, which makes it easier to look at and review patches |
| 12:07:48 | Torne | which makes it a bit more likely :) |
| 12:08:10 | webguest52 | a bit ;-) |
| 12:08:42 | Torne | yah, a bit. it means it takes a little less time to review/land a patch, which helps |
| 12:08:46 | Torne | it doesn't solve any of the other problems |
| 12:09:11 | Torne | because those are mostly the standard problems that always apply to software: sometimes people's changes are not done well, even if the idea is good |
| 12:09:24 | Torne | also, sometimes people propose changes where we don't think the idea is worthwhile :) |
| 12:09:27 | Torne | anyway. |
| 12:09:39 | wodz | speaking about rotting patches - IMO we should commit g#339 and g#340 |
| 12:09:42 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #339 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/339 : Fix FS #12391 : Memory corruption on PP502x after commit_discard_idcache() by Boris Gjenero (changes/39/339/1) |
| 12:09:52 | Torne | if you want to contribute without potentially wasting time and effort, talk to us on irc/forums/mailing lists first about what you want to do and how you are going to do it |
| 12:10:06 | Torne | and hang around here where you can see the process going on |
| 12:10:14 | Torne | and it's far more likely someone will pay attention :) |
| 12:10:46 | Torne | that's not really rotting, that's from less than six eeks ago :) |
| 12:11:00 | webguest52 | thx |
| 12:11:37 | Torne | wodz: i suspect nobody has committed them because dreamlayers has the ability to do so himself, and thus people are assuming he will do it when he thinks it's ready |
| 12:11:49 | Torne | this may not actually be true, though, so yeah. |
| 12:11:58 | wodz | Torne: preceded by xxxx (don't know exactly) weeks on FS |
| 12:12:34 | Torne | anyway, i hadn't seem those |
| 12:12:44 | Torne | but they are of interest to me |
| 12:12:52 | Torne | so i'll take a look if i find time |
| 12:13:29 | wodz | FS #12391 |
| 12:13:30 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12391 PP502x commit_discard_idcache() causes memory corruption (bugs, requires) |
| 12:13:39 | Torne | yah, i know the issue |
| 12:13:47 | gevaerts | pamaury: looks reasonable. I think I'd call usb_core_do_set_addr() and usb_core_do_set_config() directly from usb.c though, but that's a matter of taste |
| 12:13:49 | Torne | i didn't know there was a finished patch |
| 12:13:55 | Torne | so, now i do :) |
| 12:13:59 | Torne | i'll look when i get a chance |
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| 12:47:28 | webguest52 | I recently updated from a very old Rockbox version. There were two things I noticed. 1st, the delay between selecting a file and actually hearing a sound increased dramatically. I guess, data is loaded into an increased buffer. Is that buffer size an option I can change somewhere? |
| 12:50:12 | Torne | buffering happens int he background; we don't wait until the buffer is full before playback starts |
| 12:50:40 | Torne | is it a hard disk based player? |
| 12:50:44 | Torne | do you have the directory cache enabled |
| 12:50:44 | Torne | ? |
| 12:50:56 | webguest52 | its an old archos ondio |
| 12:51:05 | Torne | also, did you keep your settings from the old version, or start from scratch? |
| 12:51:50 | Torne | turn the directory cache on, if it's not already enabled. not having it on is usually the cause of slow playback starts on players with spinning disks |
| 12:52:07 | webguest52 | its no spinning disks. its mmc |
| 12:52:18 | Torne | oh. |
| 12:52:23 | Torne | it may still help |
| 12:52:40 | Torne | try it :) |
| 12:53:49 | webguest52 | i'll try. still something else must have changed.but that's probably hard to find after many years of development |
| 12:54:30 | webguest52 | so is the number of bytes that have to be read before playback starts somewhere configurable? |
| 12:55:44 | Torne | it starts decoding as soon as there's anything there to decode |
| 12:56:03 | Torne | i don't think there's any minimum |
| 12:56:27 | Torne | i don't think your problem is to do with buffering |
| 12:56:37 | Torne | it may be a more general problem with IO speed |
| 12:57:09 | webguest52 | okay? I'll try to recover the old versoin from an old backup disk and do a direct comparison. |
| 12:57:59 | Torne | you could do, but i don't mean that it's not a real problem |
| 12:58:22 | Torne | i mean, the new version is probably either actually slower at accessing the storage, or it's doing some extra work that the old version didn't do that also requires IO |
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| 13:06:39 | webguest52 | ah, I understand. Once I have time, have installed the toolchain, and that delay bothers me too much, I'll try to find the course |
| 13:07:09 | webguest52 | Is there some documentation how I would start debugging? Is there some kind of log or console? |
| 13:14:51 | webguest52 | ... where I could post debug messages to? |
| 13:23:17 | pamaury | gevaerts: ok, should I commit this now or as part of the rk27xx usb work ? |
| 13:23:46 | gevaerts | I think it can go in separately |
| 13:24:05 | gevaerts | In fact, I think that will make possible future investigations easier :) |
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| 13:33:11 | pamaury | ok |
| 13:34:16 | pamaury | lorenzo92, kugel: if there are indeed several formats for the yp firmwares, we should make the samsungtools aware of all known formats. And that's a good of documenting things too |
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| 13:45:09 | wodz | pamaury: So are you going to commit usbstack rework? |
| 13:45:14 | pamaury | yes |
| 13:45:18 | wodz | good |
| 13:45:34 | wodz | I don't know if I find time to fiddle with this today though |
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| 13:47:12 | pamaury | done. So now all you need is to call usb_core_notify_* on set addr and set config. I won't have time for this today |
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| 13:49:05 | gevaerts | pamaury: you mean call usb_signal_notify(), right? |
| 13:50:07 | pamaury | no, usb_core_notify, just like the drivers call usb_core_control_request |
| 13:50:35 | pamaury | usb_signal_* functions are used by usb_core to queue |
| 13:50:52 | gevaerts | Oh, right. Sorry |
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| 13:51:53 | pamaury | SETUP packet path is: usb_core_control_request -> usb_signal_transfer_completion -> usb_core_handle_transfer_completion |
| 13:51:53 | pamaury | NOTIFY packet path is: usb_core_notify_* -> usb_signal_notify -> usb_core_handle_notify |
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| 15:50:26 | tudortmund | Hello everybody. I really hope you can help me. |
| 15:50:41 | tudortmund | I'm working at the University of Dortmund (Germany) and we are searching for a technical solution regarding a current research project. |
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| 15:50:55 | tudortmund | We would like to manipulate cheap mp3 players in a way that 1) the participants of the study can't change the content of the player and 2) we are able to save some kind of logfile including detailed usage statistics. |
| 15:51:26 | tudortmund | Is Rockbox able to do that? |
| 15:51:40 | Zagor | since we are rockbox, #1 is pretty much out of the question |
| 15:52:02 | Zagor | our whole existence is about letting the user modify their player |
| 15:52:03 | tudortmund | Must we program a Plugin or is one available that might be appropriate? |
| 15:52:19 | gevaerts | A plugin definitely won't be enough |
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| 15:52:39 | funman | I would write a plugin and use autorun feature |
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| 15:53:00 | gevaerts | What are people supposed to be able to do? |
| 15:53:48 | tudortmund | OK. Cool :) |
| 15:54:41 | AlexP | By manipulate contents, you mean add/remove tracks? |
| 15:55:12 | tudortmund | They should be able to listen to the tracks we put on the player, switch between the tracks, but not add or remove tracks, right. |
| 15:55:46 | funman | solder together the data + and - of usb ;) |
| 15:55:56 | AlexP | Right, so you would want to disable USB and dual boot, but then you won't be able to change back to a version that would allow to change it afterwards |
| 15:56:08 | Zagor | yeah, you're going to need physical modifications for that |
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| 15:56:39 | amayer_ | ...or rewrite the usb drivers to require some kind of authentication after connect |
| 15:56:50 | Zagor | of course it all depends how thoroughly you want to prevent them |
| 15:57:06 | Zagor | amayer_: sure, that's fine for our driver. but many devices can also use the OF driver. |
| 15:57:24 | AlexP | Zagor: yeah, you would have to mod a bootloader to remove dual boot too |
| 15:57:24 | amayer_ | Zagor: very true |
| 15:57:34 | pamaury | one solution would be to chose a player with a recovery mode and modify rockbox to prevent usb from working except if you enter a PIN code for example |
| 15:58:20 | pamaury | that way you can still recover but it makes it impossible to modify the player except if you *really* want it |
| 15:58:25 | amayer_ | and it couldnt be on an apple product, because they could do emergency recovery and install what ever they want(unless you got the physical modification route) |
| 15:59:00 | AlexP | amayer_: He also said cheap which rules out Apple :) |
| 15:59:12 | tudortmund | sorry, but what do you mean "physical modification"? |
| 15:59:13 | pamaury | tudortmund: when you say that the people can't add/remove track, you mean impossible by accident or really impossible |
| 15:59:24 | pamaury | ? |
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| 16:00:04 | amayer_ | tudortmund: modify the usb connector to not accept data |
| 16:00:20 | Zagor | or fill it with epoxy |
| 16:00:46 | Zagor | of course that would make it difficult to charge :-) |
| 16:01:15 | tudortmund | our participants are children about 10 years. it's not that i am afraid that they might try to "hack" the players. it's just that they should not be able to put it into their usb-ports and simply replace our tracks by their music. ;) |
| 16:01:23 | AlexP | Zagor: You also mod it to allow inductive charging of course :) |
| 16:01:38 | funman | tudortmund: well you can just disable usb data |
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| 16:02:03 | funman | and hope 10yo kids don't search about rockbox, dual boot etc.. |
| 16:02:23 | funman | if they manage to write their music to it i'd say they deserve to use it |
| 16:02:24 | Torne | i dunno that our UI is particularly friendly/suitable for 10 year olds, however |
| 16:02:34 | Torne | we have a lot of menus and options |
| 16:03:08 | Zagor | 10 year-olds are pretty device savvy these days |
| 16:03:43 | amayer_ | tudortmund: it could be done, but you are looking at a lot of work(either codeing, or physical modifications + coding) |
| 16:03:45 | tudortmund | :) and what about my other point: the logfile? |
| 16:04:11 | Torne | rockbox has a logging system you could use for that, if you just add log statements where you want them |
| 16:04:18 | tudortmund | ok... :-? |
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| 16:05:00 | amayer_ | well if you are going as far as to do all the work that they cant add/remove songs or boot into OF then adding some lines of code to log the currently playing song are relativly easy |
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| 16:08:16 | tudortmund | so assuming we would hire someone to do that for us: what would you think how long it takes to implement this whole thing? |
| 16:08:32 | Torne | anyway, yeah, everything you want to do can be done if your bar for "security" is relatively low and you doesn't intend to prevent deliberate attempts to hack it by people who know lots of computer stuff |
| 16:08:36 | tudortmund | just roundabout... |
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| 16:09:17 | tudortmund | @Torne: sounds good. :) |
| 16:09:42 | Torne | but if i was doing this i would want to allow plenty of time to test it on some kids |
| 16:09:49 | Torne | to discover if they end up stuck in odd places in the UI |
| 16:09:58 | Torne | so that i could just kill the bits of UI that were a problem |
| 16:10:21 | Torne | we get plenty of support requests for people stuck using rockbox to do fairly easy and obvious things from adults :p |
| 16:10:52 | tudortmund | :D |
| 16:12:33 | tudortmund | just to be able to calculate this and decide whether it is an option for our project: how many hours of work would you calculate? i really have NO idea... :-P |
| 16:13:24 | tudortmund | And just to get that clear: Does somebody know another option / solution that might help me? |
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| 16:16:21 | gevaerts | So to be clear, you want logging, no USB storage unless say a PIN is know, and possibly UI tweaks? |
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| 16:16:55 | Torne | no usb storage at all is probably enough on many devices, i.e. force dual boot to uninstall it |
| 16:17:00 | Torne | less complciated to do |
| 16:17:25 | Torne | as long as the bootloader for that device deosn't auto-dualboot on usb then it's unlikely that a kid will randomlyu discover it :) |
| 16:17:32 | tudortmund | yes! :) |
| 16:17:40 | gevaerts | Maybe |
| 16:17:45 | tudortmund | that's an easy one.. he? :-P |
| 16:18:24 | gevaerts | Or you could always alter the bootloader to make dual boot harder to do, such as e.g. requiring a combination of buttons instead of just onme |
| 16:18:39 | Torne | depending exactly what you want to log, also, the last.fm log might be a good start |
| 16:18:47 | Torne | if you just want a playback history then the last.fm log is already that |
| 16:18:53 | Torne | though it logs based on partial playbacks |
| 16:19:00 | gevaerts | If you're talking about cheap players, I'd assume something like the sansa clip family is what you're looking at? |
| 16:19:02 | Torne | but could be modified to be more specific |
| 16:19:35 | gevaerts | Yes, knowing what exactly you want to log can help a lot in guessing the amount of work :) |
| 16:20:18 | tudortmund | yes. sansa would be one of our choices |
| 16:21:01 | tudortmund | ok... the project is in its very beginning, but i'll try it: |
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| 16:21:35 | Torne | so if you needed minimal changes to just block usb data and make dualboot harder to invoke, and tweak the existing last.fm logging code a bit, someone who actually knew our codebase could probably do taht in a few hours |
| 16:21:43 | Torne | more extensive logging woudl take longer |
| 16:21:50 | Torne | someone starting from scratch in our code would also take longer |
| 16:22:13 | tudortmund | we would prvide the players to the kids for i.e. 4 weeks and then like to "read" from a logfile how long they heard which track. |
| 16:22:39 | Torne | that's all you want? so each time a track is played, log how much of it was played, basically? |
| 16:22:48 | Torne | the last.fm logging code already does almost exactly that :) |
| 16:23:00 | Torne | the normal last.fm behaviour is to log tracks that are 50% or more played |
| 16:23:16 | Torne | i.e. if you listen to at least half of it |
| 16:23:23 | Torne | and i think the log alrady includes how much of it you listened to |
| 16:23:25 | tudortmund | it would not be enogh to know that they "started" track 1 five times and that they started track 2 six times. it would be better if we could also know how long they actually listened to that specific track. |
| 16:23:28 | Torne | so, you could just kill the 50% minimum |
| 16:23:30 | Torne | yeah |
| 16:23:53 | Torne | it basically does that already :) |
| 16:24:02 | Torne | so that would actually also be pretty easy |
| 16:25:06 | tudortmund | ideally we would see something like: "2012/12/07: 35min overall (track1: 12min, track2: 7min, ...) |
| 16:25:35 | gevaerts | I'd say that's what postprocessing is for :) |
| 16:26:22 | tudortmund | great to hear! |
| 16:27:11 | gevaerts | http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=apps/scrobbler.c;h=1a0ad9390ed31efa7f19c5da430d5a5e41f8c0de;hb=HEAD#l173 is where the actual log file entries are made |
| 16:27:39 | tudortmund | thank you very much for answering my questions so extensively! :) I'll give that informations to my projet team and maybe in some weeks i'll be back here to ask more specific questions... ;) |
| 16:27:58 | gevaerts | It looks like it doesn't actually log the played time, but then it also looks like you only need something like a three line change |
| 16:29:28 | tudortmund | Can i usually reach you in here? If not you might wanna shoot me an email to give me your email adress: timo.lueke(at)tu-dortmund.de |
| 16:29:48 | gevaerts | You should always be able to find some people in here |
| 16:30:29 | tudortmund | Because i would really like to ask you some more questions, but i have to get to a meeting which already started.... they are waiting for me. :-P |
| 16:30:38 | gevaerts | I'd say the people who actually participated in the discussion are all likely to be around during business hours |
| 16:31:06 | tudortmund | OK. Great. Thank you very, very much! :) |
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| 16:51:54 | dfkt | i checked gerrit and flyspray but didn't find anything relevant - is the RAAA issue known that on some devices (galaxy tab with CM9 in my case) the screen won't turn on again if rockbox is running? |
| 16:52:32 | dfkt | i run RAAA with sleep timer, and after rockbox shuts off, the screen can be turned on again |
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| 20:46:52 | bertrik | if so, I don't see any barriers to enabling RDS on the clip+ |
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| 21:06:52 | amayer_ | JdGordon: ping |
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| 21:58:05 | bertrik | rmmh: one interesting thing you can try, is to run the diagnostic mode of the OF, it's somewhere in the system menu IIRC |
| 21:58:48 | bertrik | you can enable diagnostic mode by flashing a "T" version of the firmware (replace the last character of the OF file name with a T) |
| 21:59:06 | bertrik | possibly you can also enable it by holding all buttons at the same time during boot |
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| 23:38:09 | rmmh | bertrik: yep. I'm looking at the registers in the FM info screen, and it's the right model and it's also strobing the "RDS info ready" bit. now I'm just looking into how to make the clipplus ISR handle it |
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| 23:38:56 | rmmh | bertrik: it's possible the clip+ doesn't have the SI4702 interrupt connected to the CPU, in which case I'll have to do polling |
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| 23:50:31 | bertrik | but we'll have to poll it quite fast then, RDS has about 11 frames/s |
| 23:50:51 | rmmh | :S |
| 23:51:13 | rmmh | I've done very little embedded stuff, so I'm pretty new to this |
| 23:52:52 | rmmh | the Toshiba Gigabeat has some RDS_ISR macros for the si4700 |
| 23:54:02 | bertrik | I can have a look again at the original firmware to see if there's some radio code for pin setup for an interrupt |
| 23:55:53 | rmmh | it looks like the clipzip and fuzeplus have RDS capabilities, and those are pretty similar hardware (right?) |
| 23:56:19 | bertrik | no, not at all actually |
| 23:56:50 | rmmh | aren't they all based on the as3525? |
| 23:57:44 | bertrik | no, not all of them, a lot of them are, but not the fuzeplus |
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