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#rockbox log for 2012-12-29

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02:56:30pamaurysaratoga: thanks for notifying me, I've just fixed it
03:00:17[Saint]"Rockbox's Official Catboy"
03:00:26[Saint]...good to know, I guess.
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03:03:44CinosI'm trying to install rockbox on a Sansa e250R
03:04:26*[Saint] guesses that's a question disguised as a vague statement.
03:04:48CinosAnyway, I'm following the guide but it isn't working
03:06:06CinosI can't get it into "manufacturer mode"
03:06:08CinosI am following that guide
03:06:25CinosWhen I go to hold and hold down select, it just goes into the firmware as normal
03:06:35Cinos*enable hold
03:06:51[Saint]Is the hold switch on?
03:07:37CinosIs it supposed to do anything different than it normally does?
03:07:41CinosBecause it looks the same.
03:07:46[Saint]Well, I've only done this once personally...but, it _shouldn't_ be complicated. IIRC, it is basically: Download the driver, engage hold, and hold "select" while plugging USB.
03:08:04[Saint]It will (read: should) then ask for a driver, point it to the one downloaded.
03:08:17CinosIt isn't doing anything
03:08:23Cinosit goes to the normal "Connected" screen/adnimation
03:08:36[Saint]"If Windows does not ask for a driver, it means that it has installed one automatically and you must follow these steps before continuing: (For Windows XP, other versions may vary slightly)
03:08:36[Saint]Right-click on My Computer, select Properties, go to the Hardware tab, and enter Device Manager.
03:08:36[Saint]Under Universal Serial Bus controllers, right-click USB Mass Storage Device (or something similar) and select Update Driver.
03:08:36DBUGEnqueued KICK [Saint]
03:08:36[Saint]Select "No, not this time", then "Install from a list or specific location", and then "Search for the best driver in these locations" and click the "Include this location in the search" box. Now use the Browse button select the location of the drivers and click OK."
03:09:04CinosDo I have to install the driver before I try to go into manufacturer mode?
03:10:15CinosWell, it's not working. The select button is the button with the light around it, right?
03:10:18[Saint]Remove the driver associated with the device currently and repeat the procedure.
03:10:26CinosOkay then.
03:10:31[Saint]That section I pasted is the relevant part.
03:12:33CinosSo this is what I do
03:13:04CinosUninstall driver, unplug MP3 player, put player into lock, hold down select, and
03:13:08Cinosplug it in
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03:14:28[Saint]And you're not getting a prompt to install any driver?
03:14:37[Saint]Is this Vista, or & or something?
03:14:45Cinosit is 7
03:14:56CinosAnd it is just going to the normal connected screen
03:15:04Cinosand 7 is "installing driver"
03:15:22[Saint]Right, <puts on speculation hat>, this _might_ be because 7 dislikes unsigned drivers.
03:15:24saratogai think it'll try to go into manufacturer mode even if you don't have the driver installed
03:15:45CinosWell it's not
03:16:13saratogadoing something wrong probably
03:16:14CinosThe select button is the large button with the light around it, right?
03:17:30[Saint]The large round one? Yes.
03:17:36CinosThen I don't see what is wrong
03:18:01CinosI put it into lock mode, hold down the select button, and plug it in
03:18:16Cinosand it just starts up normally
03:18:17[Saint]Unfortunately, I've only done this once, on a friends device. But, I don't recall it being overly difficult...I only have the manual to go by, and vague memories.
03:18:44[Saint]If it isn't even prompting you to install a driver, then I'm not could try forcing it to update the driver manually.
03:19:03CinosWhat should be prompting me to install a driver
03:19:08CinosThe computer, right?
03:19:21[Saint]You'll need to do whatever it is you need to do with your (probably crippled) installation of Windows and enable installation of unsigned drivers too probably.
03:19:31[Saint]Yes, the computer.
03:19:39CinosAll it says is "installing drivers"
03:19:48CinosI could try to install the driver manually
03:19:52Cinosas you said
03:19:56CinosI will try that.
03:20:09[Saint]Which means it's making a decision for you, and you need to uninstall that driver, then force it to install the one you want it to use.
03:20:29[Saint]Windows is fun! :)
03:21:23[Saint]If you have a Linux based machine or virtual machine handy, it is a lot easier (IMO).
03:22:33saratogaif you're getting the normal firmware thats not going to help much it hink
03:22:44saratogaif you do the buttons right you end up with a blank screen and just the blue LED on
03:23:51CinosI do have a linux based machine
03:23:54CinosI will brb
03:23:57Cinosto boot into it
03:29:04Cinosaaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm back
03:29:07Cinoson irssi
03:30:43Cinosso now what
03:35:04CinosI will try the guide :3
03:36:50solarcloud_3scrnI got my new rockbox ipod off ebay today .. but when i turned it on it had 2000+ songs on it. But then i scanned it again and it only had one albumn on it .. is there anyway to see the old database, and thereby see what songs *were* on it .. I'm a no0b, so plz be patient with me.
03:37:48Cinos[ERR] E200R device not found.
03:37:49Cinos[ERR] Ensure your E200R is in manufacturing mode and run e200rpatcher again.
03:38:14Cinos[Saint]: I'm not sure what is wrong
03:41:29[Saint]Nor am I sorry bud, unfortunately, it isn't very common hardware.
03:42:16[Saint]solarcloud_3scrn: No, there isn't.
03:42:27CinosSo I guess I'm not putting rockbox on this
03:43:01[Saint]The act of forcing the Database to re-parse means you've recreated the database, so,, you can't find out what was there prior.
03:44:10saratogayou need to get the e200r into manufacturing mode before you can do anything on the PC
03:44:19saratogano sense trying to run software that needs manufacturing mode if you aren't in it
03:44:36[Saint]solarcloud_3scrn: There's a good chance the seller removed a lot of audio from the device and didn't re-init the database
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03:45:41solarcloud_3scrnYeah, thought so .. such a pity, 'cos I don't know any of the good songs/albumns to look for on Spotify now ... :-(
03:45:57CinosI read that too
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03:47:20[Saint]Until you tried the unix-based procedure, I was thinking the problem is/was that Windows was applying some generic driver for it.
03:47:36saratogai think you can get it to boot into manufacturing mode with a usb charger attached
03:47:42[Saint]...and I still kinda do, but then, that wouldn't hold true across different, I have no idea.
03:47:50saratogai don't think the computer is actually doing anything at that point
03:48:25saratogai think its boot rom just checks the values on some pins and if they're right it branches into a different part of the ROM
03:49:57[Saint]Cinos: possibly silly question - have you tried (a) different USB port(s) or cable(s)?
03:51:37Cinos[Saint]: does the mp3 player need to be on before I plug it in?
03:52:32CinosWell it wasn't
03:52:42CinosBut I tried even with it plugged in, and it won't work
04:02:19[Saint]So, let me be ultra clear: The device is on - an unplugged; you engage the hold switch; you hold select *wilst & during* plugging the USB cable; ...nothing?
04:03:01CinosI thought maybe it just wasn't going to make a difference at the MP3 player, but the patch doesn't work
04:03:23CinosAnd yes, my computer is detecting it
04:03:51[Saint]I have no idea, but the fact that several others have run into your exact situation leads me to believe that the installation method obviously isn't fool proof.
04:04:15[Saint]However, your experience with the unix based system leads me to think the hardware may be defective.
04:04:39CinosI'm not too sure
04:04:45CinosIt's not like the button isn't working
04:04:58Cinosand I am able to access the files on the device
04:06:03Cinos[ERR] E200R device not found.
04:06:03Cinos[ERR] Ensure your E200R is in manufacturing mode and run e200rpatcher again.
04:06:28[Saint]There's two issues that make this slightly more difficult: 1 - It is an uncommon piece of hardware; 2 - Pretty much none of us use Windows.
04:07:07CinosI'm using Linux right now
04:07:46[Saint]That's one of the reasons that I think the hardware may be defective in some fshion. That should "Just Work (TM)"
04:08:17CinosI wonder if someone here might know what the issue is
04:08:25CinosI guess I could stick around
04:08:41[Saint]If you can, try alternate ports and/or cables.
04:08:54[Saint]It sounds silly, but USB ports are unpredictable.
04:08:55CinosI tried 3 different ports
04:09:01CinosI don't have any other cables though
04:09:18[Saint](especially those on the front of a machine for <some_reason>)
04:09:20CinosWhat happened was I lost my old mp3 player, which I had rockbox working on already
04:09:32CinosBut that was a clip zip
04:09:53[Saint]You did fairly well to find an E200R, I must say.
04:10:10CinosIt was my sister's old mp3 player
04:10:27SuperBrainAK_yea when mine died i have to deal with an old ipod :/
04:10:29CinosIt's actually an e250R, but that fits into the e200R series
04:10:42[Saint]I may be in a slightly more remote locale than yourself, dunno, but I coukldn't find one in my locality.
04:11:08CinosI live in a fairly-large city, lol.
04:11:24[Saint]Probably bigger than my country ;)
04:11:32CinosHow many people live in your country?
04:11:52[Saint]...sliding off-topic: 3.8Million
04:12:02Cinosonly 2.7 million in my city
04:12:12SuperBrainAK_almost i guess :)
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04:13:44[Saint]It does slightly trouble me that I can see at least two other people facing the exact same issue, but without the hardware right here in front of me I can't really do anything other than speculate.
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04:14:36[Saint]Are you *certain* it is the 250*R*?
04:15:01[Saint](Some refurbs have Rhapsody cases, but aren't actually Rhapsody versions, and vice-versa)
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04:15:47[Saint]I don't even think there is any way to be certain other than viewing the logic board.
04:15:55[Saint]...but someone else needs to confirm that.
04:16:47CinosThat's what it says on the back
04:17:10Cinosmodel: e250R
04:17:16CinosAlso, the firmware calls it a "sansa"
04:17:23CinosNot sure what that proves though
04:17:24[Saint]Right, but that is essentially meaningless.
04:17:35[Saint]As I said, refurbs can have the cases mixed and matched.
04:17:46[Saint]...that's what I'm thinking may have happened.
04:18:03CinosWell I wonder how I would do this if that was the case
04:19:05[Saint]I can't remember if the original firmware actually differentiates between the E200 and E200R models or not.
04:19:15Cinosall I have is a firmware version
04:19:17[Saint]...maybe it does, I can't remember.
04:20:53CinosOh, it's showing up as
04:21:01CinosOn my computer
04:21:19[Saint]I'm not sure that is an R model...going by the FW version.
04:21:25[Saint]I think it's an E200V2
04:21:55CinosI will look into that
04:23:08[Saint]Yep, pretty certain it's an E200V2
04:23:24[Saint]...and likely a refurb, hence the miss-matched casing.
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04:24:07[Saint]A quick check would be to run Rockbox Utility and allow it to auto-detect the device.
04:24:23CinosI tried that, but it couldn't even find a device
04:24:27Cinosthen again this was back on windows
04:28:41[Saint]Ummmm...hmmm, how to verify this without opening the device...hmmm, think Hayden, ...think.
04:29:18[Saint]Switch (or, make sure it is in) to MSC mode and run the Sansa Firmware Updater?
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04:29:57CinosI was just going to use the rockbox installer
04:30:03CinosI'm already downloading it
04:30:41[Saint]I'm /fairly/ certain this is an E200V2, though.
04:30:51[Saint]Not positive, but fairly certain.
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04:31:38[Saint]Ah, here we go:
04:31:42[Saint]"- If the Version is, you have an e200v1. Go to the e200v1 firmware download thread
04:31:42[Saint]- If the Version is, you have an e200v2. Go to the e200v2 firmware download thread
04:31:42[Saint]- If the Rhapsody and PlayforSure options (instead of MSC/MTP) appear under Mode, you have an e200R. Go to the e200R firmware download "
04:32:08[Saint]Cinos: ^
04:32:18CinosYeah, my sister said she originally had a refurb
04:32:50[Saint]the section I just pasted should allow you to confirm the model.
04:33:13CinosBut then it broke and she got a new one, but kept the back or something
04:33:16CinosSo the model numbe ris wrong
04:33:21Cinosnumber is wrong*
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04:34:04*[Saint] feels like a modern day (and slightly shit) Sherlock Holmes
04:36:17[Saint]The good news is, if I'm right, there is absolutely no pissing around required for the "non-Rhapsody" models.
04:36:30[Saint]Run RbUtil, click a few things, done.
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04:39:05Cinosit says I need a copy of the
04:39:15Cinosfirmware, which I am downloading
04:40:08[Saint]Well, it must be a V2 then.
04:40:27[Saint]It should tell you it isn't capable of installing on a Rhapsody model iirc.
04:40:50CinosI put in the firmware and it is doing something
04:40:52CinosSo it should work
04:41:27*[Saint] now feels slightly better about not being able to fix someone elses problem in another thread.
04:41:42[Saint]1 out of 2 is OK with me.
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04:49:57CinosOther than it taking forever to download every single file, it's going well
04:51:21[Saint]I might go back into that thread you found and necro-post a response there.
04:51:45[Saint]"Make damn sure you have a Rhapsody device, DO NOT believe the case!" ;)
04:52:29[Saint]this mess was pertly my fault, as I forgot about the issue with refurb models, ...and I apologize for that.
04:53:46[Saint]You weren't to know, ...I should've asked, and I didn't. I'm sorry.
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05:22:06CinosYay, it works
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05:26:00CinosI wonder if I'll ever find my old clip zip though
05:29:41solarcloud_3scrnCinos, well done ! .. It's 6am ere now .. so i need to get some 5-2-1 R :: 5hrs sleep, 2 meals, 1 shower .. R being REM = 2.5 cycles or 270 mins(4.5hrs)... see ya later .. :)
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15:32:26*[Saint] wonders why the Classic port doesn't have: Settings - General - System - Disk - Spindown
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15:44:43[Saint]Hum, are there any color targets that don't support album art?
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16:24:47[Saint]TheSeven: is the Classic supposed to support FM or not?
16:25:43[Saint]/firmware/export/config/ipod6g.h is confusing me.
16:28:48TheSeventhere's no internal FM
16:29:19TheSevenbut of course some dock radio modules which feed the line in port and are controlled via dock serial
16:29:53TheSevenno idea if we support those, probably not because we don't have accessory support on the classic at all yet
16:30:23[Saint]and are they not governed by CONFIG_TUNER IPOD_REMOTE_TUNER?
16:30:43TheSevenabsolutely no idea
16:30:48[Saint]as they are disabled, but HAVE_FMRADIO_IN isn't.
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16:31:41TheSevenno idea what those defines actually mean
16:31:47[Saint]If I were to take a shot in the dark I would guess HAVE_FMRADIO_IN should be disabled also.
16:33:58[Saint]...alternatively, maybe I should try enabling IPOD_REMOTE_TUNER and dig out my remote.
16:34:53[Saint]ah, nope. That won't work.
16:35:46[Saint]No IAP, so..yeah. I'll do a proper check but it seems like HAVE_FMRADIO_IN should be disabled too.
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18:34:28[Saint]Ok, I've been thinking about something, but I'm not sure how to do it or even if it's worth doing. All the iPod6G have 550mAh batteries except for the 160GB "thick" model, and at present the battery capacity is just set to 550mAh for all. It occured to me that you could check if the disk was a MK1634GAL and make an accurate guess that it's the "thick" model and set the right max capacity.
18:36:57gevaertsThe MK1634GAL is the CE-ATA one?
18:37:31[Saint]I believe so, yes.
18:37:49[Saint]...which should mean the smarts to check for it are already there. yes?
18:37:57gevaertsThat seems to make sense
18:38:13gevaertsProbably, yes
18:39:53gevaertsThe ceata variable in storage_ata-ipod6g.c presumably is what you're after
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18:50:32[Saint]Oh, there's one other thing I keep thinking of at inopportune times and forgetting about.
18:51:03[Saint]Is there a reason we don't set Channel Configuration to 'custom' if the Stereo Width is edited?
18:51:33[Saint]I seem to recall there _is_ a reason, but I couldn't recall and/or find what that was.
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19:11:23[Saint]dammit, I *hate* the viewing angle of my monitors :-S
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19:13:00[Saint]the two don't quite fit side-by-side nicely without angling them in towards each other slightly or having one kinda straight and the other angled a bit more.
19:13:25[Saint]the color is either slightly weird in both of them, or quite weird in one. depeinding where my head is.
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19:46:30gevaerts[Saint]: if you want to make default battery capacity dependent on ce-ata, all you'd need to do is export ceata from storage_ata-ipod6g.c with a function (e.g. is_ceata()), add a file somewhere (unless you find an appropriate one) similar to firmware/target/arm/ipod/video/battery-video.c (with similar contents), and update apps/settings_list.c (line 861) to add the classic to the #if defined(IPOD_VIDEO) line
19:47:05gevaertsAll easy copy and paste work :)
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20:38:12saratoga[Saint]: i think the lack of a disk menu on the 6G is an oversight
20:38:21saratogai made a build a couple weeks ago with it enabled and it compiled fine
20:38:26saratogaif you want to try it out
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20:57:38[Saint]saratoga: seems to work fine.
21:00:15saratogawe should probably commit it
21:00:31[Saint]I was just going to ask if you had it on gerrit.
21:01:21[Saint]what is holding back g339 and g340?
21:01:24fs-bluebotGerrit review #339 at : Fix FS #12391 : Memory corruption on PP502x after commit_discard_idcache() by Boris Gjenero (changes/39/339/1)
21:01:51[Saint]from the comments, it seems like both are able to be pushed.
21:01:55saratogaits a one line fix, just add the have ata line to the config file
21:03:09[Saint]...surely not.
21:04:48saratogayeah i think thats it
21:05:15[Saint]man...there's some damn confusingly named defines.
21:07:00gevaertsSome, probably. I'd say most are fine though
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21:14:58[Saint]Does someone else want to push it directly, or do I bother pushing to gerrit?
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21:21:09MichalZielinski could you add me to wikiusersgroup? I'd like to add a file to the Polish radio stations. At the beginning of the station for the capital, and later as the wish list will expand :)
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21:23:02*[Saint] added g376
21:23:56[Saint]Oh, hum...he left.
21:24:12[Saint]Do I bother adding him still, or wait 'til if/when he comes back?
21:24:57saratogajust add him
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21:26:44saratogaalso, the recoder builds seemed to have failed due to binary size
21:26:45MichalZielinskii'm back ;)
21:27:15[Saint]adding you now.
21:27:20[Saint]one sec.
21:27:51MichalZielinskiThank you
21:30:27MichalZielinskiI am an electronic and I repair players, if you want, I can find notes, diagrams or info about the hardware.
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21:49:23saratoga[Saint]: any idea if the raspberry pi with it's debian version will boot up with ssh and DHCP working? i don't have a usb keyboard handy
21:50:21[Saint]NFI sorry. I have no idea of the base packages.
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22:17:49soapsaratoga, half-serious with this question: Would it be possible even in theory to access the Sansa's memory in very small bursts timed in such a way to make the noise "pulse" at an inaudibly high frequency?
22:18:06saratogasoap: yes probably
22:18:21saratogai tried something similiar on the e200v1 years ago, i could shift the pitch about
22:18:46saratogaalthough to shift it above 15khz you would have to make sure that your reads were shorter then 1/15000 of a second
22:18:50saratogano idea if that is possible or not
22:19:45soapwould be a hilariously glorious hack, just to get around low-end hardware noise.
22:22:28saratogai tried it by just putting asm("NOP"); lines in the loop that copied back data from the SD card IIRC
22:22:35saratogato make it run slower
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22:39:58zzzrodAny idea whether rockbox will ever be ported to Ipod Classic?
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22:51:49AlexPIt has been
22:53:42AlexPBut be sure to update Rockbox after installed emcore, the version it ships with is horribly out of date
22:54:43TheSevenAlexP: ...and IIRC the current build has broken USB?
22:55:17AlexPPossibly, I don't know
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22:55:32AlexPBut we get many people in here asking about stuff that is fine know but broken in whatever emcore ships
22:55:56zzzrodcool, thanks AlexP
22:56:37AlexPThe USB problems in general are really annoying
22:56:38TheSevenAlexP: give me a known-working (with focus on USB) rockbox build, and I'll link it in the emcore instructions or possibly package a new emcore installer
22:56:57AlexPI can't, I don't have a classic
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22:57:17AlexPAnd why focus on USB specifically over other broken things?
22:57:31TheSevenbecause USB is mandantory to even get music onto it
22:57:32zzzrodis there a way to revert a rockbox install?
22:57:42TheSevenor even unpack the full rockbox build
22:57:52AlexPTheSeven: I keep forgetting no dual boot either
22:58:09TheSevenzzzrod: yes, you can always go back
22:58:53AlexPTheSeven: Isn't there a bootloader USB mode either?
22:59:09TheSevenAlexP: there's no rockbox bootloader yet
22:59:19AlexPI meant emcore
22:59:25TheSevenand emcore doesn't have USB mass storage
23:00:08TheSeventhere's UMSboot, which can be used to boot something via USB, but that's just a ramdisk
23:00:22TheSevenonly way to mount the hdd through usb mass storage is through rockbox
23:00:43zzzrodTheSeven Have you tried rockbox on the classic?
23:00:47AlexPNot ideal
23:00:59TheSevenother ways could probably be hacked in, but then again we could fix the rockbox usb problem in the first place
23:01:03AlexPzzzrod: He is the primary developer for it
23:01:21AlexPTheSeven: Yes, that would of course be ideal :)
23:01:29TheSevenalong with fixing dualboot :)
23:01:38AlexPAnd of course it isn't just the classic
23:01:45AlexPfor USB I mean
23:01:49TheSevenfixing dualboot would at the same time fix apple's disk mode
23:02:28TheSevenI'm not sure if we're observing the same problem on other devices as well, or if that's something different
23:02:40AlexPYeah, no idea
23:02:44AlexPOh well :)
23:02:57TheSevenif we could reproduce this on jtaggable hardware, that would be a big step forward
23:02:59zzzrodi will give it a try
23:03:32TheSevenrockbox really needs some more serious debugging infrastructure :)
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23:04:47TheSevenoh, while we're at it: we should also figure out what broke the nano2g post mortem memory dumper and fix that, and at the same time port it over to the classic
23:05:03AlexPBest get cracking! :P
23:05:20TheSevendebugging a broken debuggger is a bit of a PITA though
23:06:25TheSevenespecially in this handcrafted assembly beast
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23:09:23TheSevenkind of a bitch, that is...
23:10:04TheSeveni bet it's getting stuck in the loop starting at line 62
23:20:26TheSevenwhich would mean that there is some hardware state which we aren't resetting that is screwed up
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