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02:49:24	saratoga	pamaury: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,42510.msg216252/topicseen.html#msg216252
02:56:30	pamaury	saratoga: thanks for notifying me, I've just fixed it
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03:00:17	[Saint]	"Rockbox's Official Catboy"
03:00:26	[Saint]	...good to know, I guess.
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03:03:44	Cinos	I'm trying to install rockbox on a Sansa e250R
03:04:26	*	[Saint] guesses that's a question disguised as a vague statement.
03:04:35	Cinos	probably
03:04:48	Cinos	Anyway, I'm following the guide but it isn't working
03:06:01	[Saint]	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation
03:06:06	Cinos	I can't get it into "manufacturer mode"
03:06:08	Cinos	I am following that guide
03:06:25	Cinos	When I go to hold and hold down select, it just goes into the firmware as normal
03:06:35	Cinos	*enable hold
03:06:37	Cinos	hold/lock
03:06:51	[Saint]	Is the hold switch on?
03:06:54	Cinos	Yes
03:07:37	Cinos	Is it supposed to do anything different than it normally does?
03:07:41	Cinos	Because it looks the same.
03:07:46	[Saint]	Well, I've only done this once personally...but, it _shouldn't_ be complicated. IIRC, it is basically: Download the driver, engage hold, and hold "select" while plugging USB.
03:08:04	[Saint]	It will (read: should) then ask for a driver, point it to the one downloaded.
03:08:17	Cinos	It isn't doing anything
03:08:23	Cinos	it goes to the normal "Connected" screen/adnimation
03:08:26	Cinos	animation*
03:08:36	[Saint]	"If Windows does not ask for a driver, it means that it has installed one automatically and you must follow these steps before continuing: (For Windows XP, other versions may vary slightly)
03:08:36	[Saint]	Right-click on My Computer, select Properties, go to the Hardware tab, and enter Device Manager.
03:08:36	[Saint]	Under Universal Serial Bus controllers, right-click USB Mass Storage Device (or something similar) and select Update Driver.
03:08:36	DBUG	Enqueued KICK [Saint]
03:08:36	[Saint]	Select "No, not this time", then "Install from a list or specific location", and then "Search for the best driver in these locations" and click the "Include this location in the search" box. Now use the Browse button select the location of the drivers and click OK."
03:09:04	Cinos	Do I have to install the driver before I try to go into manufacturer mode?
03:09:57	[Saint]	No.
03:10:15	Cinos	Well, it's not working. The select button is the button with the light around it, right?
03:10:18	[Saint]	Remove the driver associated with the device currently and repeat the procedure.
03:10:26	Cinos	Okay then.
03:10:31	[Saint]	That section I pasted is the relevant part.
03:12:33	Cinos	So this is what I do
03:13:04	Cinos	Uninstall driver, unplug MP3 player, put player into lock, hold down select, and
03:13:08	Cinos	plug it in
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03:14:28	[Saint]	And you're not getting a prompt to install any driver?
03:14:37	[Saint]	Is this Vista, or & or something?
03:14:44	[Saint]	s/&/7/
03:14:45	Cinos	it is 7
03:14:56	Cinos	And it is just going to the normal connected screen
03:15:04	Cinos	and 7 is "installing driver"
03:15:22	[Saint]	Right, <puts on speculation hat>, this _might_ be because 7 dislikes unsigned drivers.
03:15:24	saratoga	i think it'll try to go into manufacturer mode even if you don't have the driver installed
03:15:45	Cinos	Well it's not
03:16:13	saratoga	doing something wrong probably
03:16:14	Cinos	The select button is the large button with the light around it, right?
03:17:30	[Saint]	The large round one? Yes.
03:17:36	Cinos	Then I don't see what is wrong
03:18:01	Cinos	I put it into lock mode, hold down the select button, and plug it in
03:18:16	Cinos	and it just starts up normally
03:18:17	[Saint]	Unfortunately, I've only done this once, on a friends device. But, I don't recall it being overly difficult...I only have the manual to go by, and vague memories.
03:18:43	Cinos	._.
03:18:44	[Saint]	If it isn't even prompting you to install a driver, then I'm not sure...you could try forcing it to update the driver manually.
03:19:03	Cinos	What should be prompting me to install a driver
03:19:08	Cinos	The computer, right?
03:19:21	[Saint]	You'll need to do whatever it is you need to do with your (probably crippled) installation of Windows and enable installation of unsigned drivers too probably.
03:19:31	[Saint]	Yes, the computer.
03:19:39	Cinos	All it says is "installing drivers"
03:19:48	Cinos	I could try to install the driver manually
03:19:52	Cinos	as you said
03:19:56	Cinos	I will try that.
03:20:09	[Saint]	Which means it's making a decision for you, and you need to uninstall that driver, then force it to install the one you want it to use.
03:20:29	[Saint]	Windows is fun! :)
03:21:23	[Saint]	If you have a Linux based machine or virtual machine handy, it is a lot easier (IMO).
03:22:33	saratoga	if you're getting the normal firmware thats not going to help much it hink
03:22:44	saratoga	if you do the buttons right you end up with a blank screen and just the blue LED on
03:23:51	Cinos	I do have a linux based machine
03:23:54	Cinos	I will brb
03:23:57	Cinos	to boot into it
03:29:04	Cinos	aaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm back
03:29:07	Cinos	on irssi
03:30:43	Cinos	so now what
03:35:04	Cinos	I will try the guide :3
03:36:50	solarcloud_3scrn	I got my new rockbox ipod off ebay today .. but when i turned it on it had 2000+ songs on it. But then i scanned it again and it only had one albumn on it .. is there anyway to see the old database, and thereby see what songs were on it .. I'm a no0b, so plz be patient with me.
03:37:48	Cinos	[ERR] E200R device not found.
03:37:49	Cinos	[ERR] Ensure your E200R is in manufacturing mode and run e200rpatcher again.
03:37:52	Cinos	:(
03:38:14	Cinos	[Saint]: I'm not sure what is wrong
03:41:29	[Saint]	Nor am I sorry bud, unfortunately, it isn't very common hardware.
03:42:16	[Saint]	solarcloud_3scrn: No, there isn't.
03:42:20	Cinos	:(
03:42:27	Cinos	So I guess I'm not putting rockbox on this
03:43:01	[Saint]	The act of forcing the Database to re-parse means you've recreated the database, so, ...no, you can't find out what was there prior.
03:44:10	saratoga	you need to get the e200r into manufacturing mode before you can do anything on the PC
03:44:19	saratoga	no sense trying to run software that needs manufacturing mode if you aren't in it
03:44:36	[Saint]	solarcloud_3scrn: There's a good chance the seller removed a lot of audio from the device and didn't re-init the database
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03:45:41	solarcloud_3scrn	Yeah, thought so .. such a pity, 'cos I don't know any of the good songs/albumns to look for on Spotify now ... :-(
03:45:53	Cinos	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14222.0
03:45:57	Cinos	I read that too
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03:47:20	[Saint]	Until you tried the unix-based procedure, I was thinking the problem is/was that Windows was applying some generic driver for it.
03:47:36	saratoga	i think you can get it to boot into manufacturing mode with a usb charger attached
03:47:42	[Saint]	...and I still kinda do, but then, that wouldn't hold true across different OSes...so, I have no idea.
03:47:50	saratoga	i don't think the computer is actually doing anything at that point
03:48:25	saratoga	i think its boot rom just checks the values on some pins and if they're right it branches into a different part of the ROM
03:49:57	[Saint]	Cinos: possibly silly question - have you tried (a) different USB port(s) or cable(s)?
03:51:37	Cinos	[Saint]: does the mp3 player need to be on before I plug it in?
03:51:50	[Saint]	Yes.
03:52:32	Cinos	Well it wasn't
03:52:42	Cinos	But I tried even with it plugged in, and it won't work
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04:00:29	Cinos	._.
04:02:19	[Saint]	So, let me be ultra clear: The device is on - an unplugged; you engage the hold switch; you hold select wilst & during plugging the USB cable; ...nothing?
04:02:31	Cinos	yes
04:03:01	Cinos	I thought maybe it just wasn't going to make a difference at the MP3 player, but the patch doesn't work
04:03:23	Cinos	And yes, my computer is detecting it
04:03:51	[Saint]	I have no idea, but the fact that several others have run into your exact situation leads me to believe that the installation method obviously isn't fool proof.
04:04:15	[Saint]	However, your experience with the unix based system leads me to think the hardware may be defective.
04:04:39	Cinos	I'm not too sure
04:04:45	Cinos	It's not like the button isn't working
04:04:58	Cinos	and I am able to access the files on the device
04:06:03	Cinos	[ERR] E200R device not found.
04:06:03	Cinos	[ERR] Ensure your E200R is in manufacturing mode and run e200rpatcher again.
04:06:07	Cinos	Hmm
04:06:28	[Saint]	There's two issues that make this slightly more difficult: 1 - It is an uncommon piece of hardware; 2 - Pretty much none of us use Windows.
04:07:07	Cinos	I'm using Linux right now
04:07:46	[Saint]	That's one of the reasons that I think the hardware may be defective in some fshion. That should "Just Work (TM)"
04:07:54	[Saint]	*fashion
04:08:17	Cinos	I wonder if someone here might know what the issue is
04:08:25	Cinos	I guess I could stick around
04:08:41	[Saint]	If you can, try alternate ports and/or cables.
04:08:54	[Saint]	It sounds silly, but USB ports are unpredictable.
04:08:55	Cinos	I tried 3 different ports
04:09:01	Cinos	I don't have any other cables though
04:09:18	[Saint]	(especially those on the front of a machine for <some_reason>)
04:09:20	Cinos	What happened was I lost my old mp3 player, which I had rockbox working on already
04:09:32	Cinos	But that was a clip zip
04:09:53	[Saint]	You did fairly well to find an E200R, I must say.
04:10:10	Cinos	It was my sister's old mp3 player
04:10:27	SuperBrainAK_	yea when mine died i have to deal with an old ipod :/
04:10:29	Cinos	It's actually an e250R, but that fits into the e200R series
04:10:42	[Saint]	I may be in a slightly more remote locale than yourself, dunno, but I coukldn't find one in my locality.
04:11:08	Cinos	I live in a fairly-large city, lol.
04:11:24	[Saint]	Probably bigger than my country ;)
04:11:32	Cinos	How many people live in your country?
04:11:52	[Saint]	...sliding off-topic: 3.8Million
04:12:02	Cinos	only 2.7 million in my city
04:12:12	SuperBrainAK_	almost i guess :)
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04:13:44	[Saint]	It does slightly trouble me that I can see at least two other people facing the exact same issue, but without the hardware right here in front of me I can't really do anything other than speculate.
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04:14:36	[Saint]	Are you certain it is the 250R?
04:15:01	[Saint]	(Some refurbs have Rhapsody cases, but aren't actually Rhapsody versions, and vice-versa)
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04:15:47	[Saint]	I don't even think there is any way to be certain other than viewing the logic board.
04:15:55	[Saint]	...but someone else needs to confirm that.
04:16:47	Cinos	That's what it says on the back
04:17:10	Cinos	model: e250R
04:17:16	Cinos	Also, the firmware calls it a "sansa"
04:17:23	Cinos	Not sure what that proves though
04:17:24	[Saint]	Right, but that is essentially meaningless.
04:17:35	[Saint]	As I said, refurbs can have the cases mixed and matched.
04:17:46	[Saint]	...that's what I'm thinking may have happened.
04:18:03	Cinos	Well I wonder how I would do this if that was the case
04:19:05	[Saint]	I can't remember if the original firmware actually differentiates between the E200 and E200R models or not.
04:19:15	Cinos	all I have is a firmware version
04:19:17	[Saint]	...maybe it does, I can't remember.
04:19:18	Cinos	V03.01.10A
04:20:53	Cinos	Oh, it's showing up as
04:20:55	Cinos	E200P
04:21:01	Cinos	On my computer
04:21:19	[Saint]	I'm not sure that is an R model...going by the FW version.
04:21:25	[Saint]	I think it's an E200V2
04:21:55	Cinos	I will look into that
04:23:08	[Saint]	Yep, pretty certain it's an E200V2
04:23:24	[Saint]	...and likely a refurb, hence the miss-matched casing.
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04:24:07	[Saint]	A quick check would be to run Rockbox Utility and allow it to auto-detect the device.
04:24:23	Cinos	I tried that, but it couldn't even find a device
04:24:27	Cinos	then again this was back on windows
04:28:41	[Saint]	Ummmm...hmmm, how to verify this without opening the device...hmmm, think Hayden, ...think.
04:28:51	[Saint]	Aha!
04:29:18	[Saint]	Switch (or, make sure it is in) to MSC mode and run the Sansa Firmware Updater?
04:29:19	[Saint]	http://kb.sandisk.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/156
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04:29:57	Cinos	I was just going to use the rockbox installer
04:30:03	Cinos	I'm already downloading it
04:30:41	[Saint]	I'm /fairly/ certain this is an E200V2, though.
04:30:51	[Saint]	Not positive, but fairly certain.
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04:31:38	[Saint]	Ah, here we go:
04:31:42	[Saint]	"- If the Version is V01.xx.xxx, you have an e200v1. Go to the e200v1 firmware download thread
04:31:42	[Saint]	- If the Version is V03.xx.xxx, you have an e200v2. Go to the e200v2 firmware download thread
04:31:42	[Saint]	- If the Rhapsody and PlayforSure options (instead of MSC/MTP) appear under Mode, you have an e200R. Go to the e200R firmware download "
04:32:08	[Saint]	Cinos: ^
04:32:18	Cinos	Yeah, my sister said she originally had a refurb
04:32:50	[Saint]	the section I just pasted should allow you to confirm the model.
04:33:13	Cinos	But then it broke and she got a new one, but kept the back or something
04:33:16	Cinos	So the model numbe ris wrong
04:33:21	Cinos	number is wrong*
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04:36:17	[Saint]	The good news is, if I'm right, there is absolutely no pissing around required for the "non-Rhapsody" models.
04:36:30	[Saint]	Run RbUtil, click a few things, done.
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04:39:05	Cinos	it says I need a copy of the
04:39:15	Cinos	firmware, which I am downloading
04:40:08	[Saint]	Well, it must be a V2 then.
04:40:27	[Saint]	It should tell you it isn't capable of installing on a Rhapsody model iirc.
04:40:50	Cinos	I put in the firmware and it is doing something
04:40:52	Cinos	So it should work
04:41:27	*	[Saint] now feels slightly better about not being able to fix someone elses problem in another thread.
04:41:30	[Saint]	:)
04:41:42	[Saint]	1 out of 2 is OK with me.
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04:45:12	Cinos	=3
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04:49:57	Cinos	Other than it taking forever to download every single file, it's going well
04:51:21	[Saint]	I might go back into that thread you found and necro-post a response there.
04:51:45	[Saint]	"Make damn sure you have a Rhapsody device, DO NOT believe the case!" ;)
04:52:29	[Saint]	this mess was pertly my fault, as I forgot about the issue with refurb models, ...and I apologize for that.
04:52:38	[Saint]	*partl
04:52:42	[Saint]	+y
04:53:46	[Saint]	You weren't to know, ...I should've asked, and I didn't. I'm sorry.
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05:22:06	Cinos	Yay, it works
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05:26:00	Cinos	I wonder if I'll ever find my old clip zip though
05:29:41	solarcloud_3scrn	Cinos, well done ! .. It's 6am ere now .. so i need to get some 5-2-1 R :: 5hrs sleep, 2 meals, 1 shower .. R being REM = 2.5 cycles or 270 mins(4.5hrs)... see ya later .. :)
05:29:50	solarcloud_3scrn	**here
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15:32:26	*	[Saint] wonders why the Classic port doesn't have: Settings - General - System - Disk - Spindown
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15:44:43	[Saint]	Hum, are there any color targets that don't support album art?
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16:24:47	[Saint]	TheSeven: is the Classic supposed to support FM or not?
16:25:43	[Saint]	/firmware/export/config/ipod6g.h is confusing me.
16:28:48	TheSeven	there's no internal FM
16:29:19	TheSeven	but of course some dock radio modules which feed the line in port and are controlled via dock serial
16:29:53	TheSeven	no idea if we support those, probably not because we don't have accessory support on the classic at all yet
16:30:23	[Saint]	and are they not governed by CONFIG_TUNER IPOD_REMOTE_TUNER?
16:30:43	TheSeven	absolutely no idea
16:30:48	[Saint]	as they are disabled, but HAVE_FMRADIO_IN isn't.
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16:31:41	TheSeven	no idea what those defines actually mean
16:31:47	[Saint]	If I were to take a shot in the dark I would guess HAVE_FMRADIO_IN should be disabled also.
16:33:58	[Saint]	...alternatively, maybe I should try enabling IPOD_REMOTE_TUNER and dig out my remote.
16:34:53	[Saint]	ah, nope. That won't work.
16:35:46	[Saint]	No IAP, so..yeah. I'll do a proper check but it seems like HAVE_FMRADIO_IN should be disabled too.
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18:34:28	[Saint]	Ok, I've been thinking about something, but I'm not sure how to do it or even if it's worth doing. All the iPod6G have 550mAh batteries except for the 160GB "thick" model, and at present the battery capacity is just set to 550mAh for all. It occured to me that you could check if the disk was a MK1634GAL and make an accurate guess that it's the "thick" model and set the right max capacity.
18:36:57	gevaerts	The MK1634GAL is the CE-ATA one?
18:37:31	[Saint]	I believe so, yes.
18:37:41	gevaerts	Right
18:37:49	[Saint]	...which should mean the smarts to check for it are already there. yes?
18:37:57	gevaerts	That seems to make sense
18:38:13	gevaerts	Probably, yes
18:39:53	gevaerts	The ceata variable in storage_ata-ipod6g.c presumably is what you're after
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18:50:32	[Saint]	Oh, there's one other thing I keep thinking of at inopportune times and forgetting about.
18:51:03	[Saint]	Is there a reason we don't set Channel Configuration to 'custom' if the Stereo Width is edited?
18:51:33	[Saint]	I seem to recall there _is_ a reason, but I couldn't recall and/or find what that was.
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19:13:00	[Saint]	the two don't quite fit side-by-side nicely without angling them in towards each other slightly or having one kinda straight and the other angled a bit more.
19:13:25	[Saint]	the color is either slightly weird in both of them, or quite weird in one. depeinding where my head is.
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19:46:30	gevaerts	[Saint]: if you want to make default battery capacity dependent on ce-ata, all you'd need to do is export ceata from storage_ata-ipod6g.c with a function (e.g. is_ceata()), add a file somewhere (unless you find an appropriate one) similar to firmware/target/arm/ipod/video/battery-video.c (with similar contents), and update apps/settings_list.c (line 861) to add the classic to the #if defined(IPOD_VIDEO) line
19:47:05	gevaerts	All easy copy and paste work :)
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20:38:12	saratoga	[Saint]: i think the lack of a disk menu on the 6G is an oversight
20:38:21	saratoga	i made a build a couple weeks ago with it enabled and it compiled fine
20:38:23	saratoga	http://mit.edu/mgg6/www/rockbox.7z
20:38:26	saratoga	if you want to try it out
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20:57:38	[Saint]	saratoga: seems to work fine.
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21:00:15	saratoga	we should probably commit it
21:00:31	[Saint]	I was just going to ask if you had it on gerrit.
21:01:21	[Saint]	what is holding back g339 and g340?
21:01:24	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #339 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/339 : Fix FS #12391 : Memory corruption on PP502x after commit_discard_idcache() by Boris Gjenero (changes/39/339/1)
21:01:51	[Saint]	from the comments, it seems like both are able to be pushed.
21:01:55	saratoga	its a one line fix, just add the have ata line to the config file
21:03:03	[Saint]	HAVE_ATA_DMA?
21:03:09	[Saint]	...surely not.
21:04:31	gevaerts	HAVE_DISK_STORAGE?
21:04:48	saratoga	yeah i think thats it
21:05:15	[Saint]	man...there's some damn confusingly named defines.
21:07:00	gevaerts	Some, probably. I'd say most are fine though
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21:14:58	[Saint]	Does someone else want to push it directly, or do I bother pushing to gerrit?
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21:17:38	MichalZielinski	Hi
21:21:09	MichalZielinski	could you add me to wikiusersgroup? I'd like to add a file to the Polish radio stations. At the beginning of the station for the capital, and later as the wish list will expand :)
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21:23:02	*	[Saint] added g376
21:23:56	[Saint]	Oh, hum...he left.
21:24:12	[Saint]	Do I bother adding him still, or wait 'til if/when he comes back?
21:24:57	saratoga	just add him
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21:26:33	saratoga	pushed
21:26:44	saratoga	also, the recoder builds seemed to have failed due to binary size
21:26:45	MichalZielinski	i'm back ;)
21:27:15	[Saint]	adding you now.
21:27:20	[Saint]	one sec.
21:27:51	MichalZielinski	Thank you
21:28:00	[Saint]	Done.
21:28:10	[Saint]	Welcome.
21:30:27	MichalZielinski	I am an electronic and I repair players, if you want, I can find notes, diagrams or info about the hardware.
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21:49:23	saratoga	[Saint]: any idea if the raspberry pi with it's debian version will boot up with ssh and DHCP working? i don't have a usb keyboard handy
21:50:21	[Saint]	NFI sorry. I have no idea of the base packages.
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22:17:49	soap	saratoga, half-serious with this question: Would it be possible even in theory to access the Sansa's memory in very small bursts timed in such a way to make the noise "pulse" at an inaudibly high frequency?
22:18:06	saratoga	soap: yes probably
22:18:21	saratoga	i tried something similiar on the e200v1 years ago, i could shift the pitch about
22:18:46	saratoga	although to shift it above 15khz you would have to make sure that your reads were shorter then 1/15000 of a second
22:18:50	saratoga	no idea if that is possible or not
22:19:45	soap	would be a hilariously glorious hack, just to get around low-end hardware noise.
22:22:28	saratoga	i tried it by just putting asm("NOP"); lines in the loop that copied back data from the SD card IIRC
22:22:35	saratoga	to make it run slower
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22:39:58	zzzrod	Any idea whether rockbox will ever be ported to Ipod Classic?
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22:51:49	AlexP	It has been
22:53:01	AlexP	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodClassicPort
22:53:42	AlexP	But be sure to update Rockbox after installed emcore, the version it ships with is horribly out of date
22:54:43	TheSeven	AlexP: ...and IIRC the current build has broken USB?
22:55:17	AlexP	Possibly, I don't know
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22:55:32	AlexP	But we get many people in here asking about stuff that is fine know but broken in whatever emcore ships
22:55:38	AlexP	s/know/now/
22:55:56	zzzrod	cool, thanks AlexP
22:56:37	AlexP	The USB problems in general are really annoying
22:56:38	TheSeven	AlexP: give me a known-working (with focus on USB) rockbox build, and I'll link it in the emcore instructions or possibly package a new emcore installer
22:56:57	AlexP	I can't, I don't have a classic
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22:57:17	AlexP	And why focus on USB specifically over other broken things?
22:57:31	TheSeven	because USB is mandantory to even get music onto it
22:57:32	zzzrod	is there a way to revert a rockbox install?
22:57:42	TheSeven	or even unpack the full rockbox build
22:57:52	AlexP	TheSeven: I keep forgetting no dual boot either
22:57:58	AlexP	rubbish
22:58:09	TheSeven	zzzrod: yes, you can always go back
22:58:22	zzzrod	cool
22:58:53	AlexP	TheSeven: Isn't there a bootloader USB mode either?
22:59:09	TheSeven	AlexP: there's no rockbox bootloader yet
22:59:19	AlexP	I meant emcore
22:59:25	TheSeven	and emcore doesn't have USB mass storage
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23:00:08	TheSeven	there's UMSboot, which can be used to boot something via USB, but that's just a ramdisk
23:00:22	TheSeven	only way to mount the hdd through usb mass storage is through rockbox
23:00:43	zzzrod	TheSeven Have you tried rockbox on the classic?
23:00:47	AlexP	Not ideal
23:00:59	TheSeven	other ways could probably be hacked in, but then again we could fix the rockbox usb problem in the first place
23:01:03	AlexP	zzzrod: He is the primary developer for it
23:01:07	zzzrod	touché
23:01:21	AlexP	TheSeven: Yes, that would of course be ideal :)
23:01:29	TheSeven	along with fixing dualboot :)
23:01:38	AlexP	And of course it isn't just the classic
23:01:45	AlexP	for USB I mean
23:01:49	TheSeven	fixing dualboot would at the same time fix apple's disk mode
23:02:28	TheSeven	I'm not sure if we're observing the same problem on other devices as well, or if that's something different
23:02:40	AlexP	Yeah, no idea
23:02:44	AlexP	Oh well :)
23:02:57	TheSeven	if we could reproduce this on jtaggable hardware, that would be a big step forward
23:02:59	zzzrod	i will give it a try
23:03:32	TheSeven	rockbox really needs some more serious debugging infrastructure :)
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23:04:47	TheSeven	oh, while we're at it: we should also figure out what broke the nano2g post mortem memory dumper and fix that, and at the same time port it over to the classic
23:05:03	AlexP	Best get cracking! :P
23:05:20	TheSeven	debugging a broken debuggger is a bit of a PITA though
23:06:25	TheSeven	especially in this handcrafted assembly beast
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23:09:07	TheSeven	http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/postmortemstub.S;h=d0874c418b010ef95ac75a2f56f78f77348df799;hb=HEAD
23:09:23	TheSeven	kind of a bitch, that is...
23:10:04	TheSeven	i bet it's getting stuck in the loop starting at line 62
23:20:26	TheSeven	which would mean that there is some hardware state which we aren't resetting that is screwed up
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