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| 02:46:03 | [Saint] | moben: like a couple of people tried to say, what you should be doing, is setting up different viewports for your "dynamic" content, as opposed to trying to position the content inside the viewport(s) dynamically. |
| 02:47:50 | [Saint] | So then your condition only becomes %?<tag><%Vd(foo|%Vd(bar)> |
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| 02:48:36 | [Saint] | as opposed to %?<tag><if this, do that, then this, but not this|do other stuff, but only when this this and this is happening> |
| 02:54:10 | [Saint] | zamboni: if we mislead you in any way, by clearly listing the supported targets, please tell us how. |
| 02:55:57 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/ is pretty clear. |
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| 02:56:33 | [Saint] | Not mentioning the Nano5G at all, is another way of saying "this device is NOT supported". |
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| 03:01:44 | moben | [Saint]: thanks, but I already got that working :) |
| 03:04:04 | [Saint] | this guy knows where the internet is at... |
| 03:04:07 | [Saint] | "I'll claim (quite falsely) to be a nubile 16 year old girl if that will get me help. " |
| 03:08:14 | moben | heh, maybe I should have tried that too ;) |
| 03:15:06 | [Saint] | Hum... |
| 03:15:43 | [Saint] | Classic is refusing the play a reasonable portion of the test_files. |
| 03:16:02 | [Saint] | I noticed this the other day, but it is barfing on ore files that I initially thought. |
| 03:17:06 | [Saint] | Some refuse to play at all, and skip to the next track immediately, while others (wmapro) output an IEM killing noise of pain and terror - regardless of the current volume. |
| 03:17:43 | [Saint] | at -60db ("mute" for the Classic), wmapro playback is unbearable. |
| 03:18:03 | * | [Saint] has no other files of this format other than the test files |
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| 03:28:33 | moben | %Vl/%Vd doesn't work in the sbs? |
| 03:28:59 | [Saint] | ...is, is that a question? |
| 03:29:21 | [Saint] | Oh, wow...I read that wrong. Derp. |
| 03:29:24 | [Saint] | Yes, it does. |
| 03:29:55 | [Saint] | The .sbs is just like any other themeable screen. |
| 03:30:14 | [Saint] | with the exception of the UI viewport. |
| 03:30:35 | [Saint] | (The UI viewport houses the menu/lists) |
| 03:31:01 | moben | hmmm. if I do %V(..) it works, while if I do %Vl(a,..) %Vd(a), it doesn't |
| 03:32:12 | moben | here is what I'm doing: https://raw.github.com/gist/4459313/ |
| 03:33:04 | moben | I wanted to make the clock viewport conditional on %?cf, so that I don't waste space for the 24h case |
| 03:33:29 | moben | (make the clock smaller in that case -> more space for the title) |
| 03:33:43 | [Saint] | You're not using a UI viewport, so, the UI viewport is drawing fullscreen. |
| 03:34:23 | [Saint] | protip: you cannot overlap viewports (with one exception). |
| 03:34:41 | moben | isn't %Vi the UI viewport? |
| 03:35:03 | [Saint] | Yes, but, you've commented it out. |
| 03:35:20 | [Saint] | Oh, shit...my bad. |
| 03:35:35 | [Saint] | hard to read this with lots of commented sections. |
| 03:35:52 | moben | sorry for that, I blame the original author though :P |
| 03:38:55 | moben | this is what I want to do that doesn't work: https://raw.github.com/gist/4459337/ |
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| 03:56:00 | [Saint] | I can't see at the present why that wouldn't work, but, I'm a bit distracted. |
| 03:56:18 | [Saint] | If you run this in the simulator, it should be telling you exactly what is wrong if it is a syntax error. |
| 03:57:47 | [Saint] | thought I had a bit more time for "stuff", but, the SO just got home. |
| 03:59:04 | moben | I won't distract you any further then, have to go to bed anyway ;) |
| 03:59:37 | moben | Though the simulator didn't mention anything, so I would still welcome comments if anyone finds time |
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| 13:17:13 | doomgiver | hello, my sansa clip+ is not being detected by the rockbox installer |
| 13:17:38 | doomgiver | does it need a microSD card, in order to be detected/installed? |
| 13:18:01 | doomgiver | windows 7 32 bit, sansa clip+ 2 gb, no SD card |
| 13:20:05 | funman | no, it doesn't |
| 13:21:30 | doomgiver | hmm, and one more thing, if it is of any use, this clip+ does not recognize SD cards (card is accessible both, while plugged in windows and while plugged in player, from windows) |
| 13:21:56 | funman | maybe it's broken then |
| 13:22:02 | doomgiver | but the clip+ does not show any sd card, when i try to access it. |
| 13:22:13 | doomgiver | oh god, NO |
| 13:22:26 | doomgiver | well, i did buy it from a friend |
| 13:22:40 | doomgiver | ok, thanks, i got my answer |
| 13:24:38 | funman | I can't debug vlc plugin crashes within firefox |
| 13:24:45 | funman | oops wrong channel.. sorry |
| 13:32:30 | bluebrother | the card could have filesystem errors that confuse the clip+ firmware but Windows tolerates. |
| 13:33:06 | bluebrother | also, Rockbox Utility can't detect all players reliably. Not sure about the clip+, but I wouldn't be surprised if detecting its mountpoint isn't possible |
| 13:33:19 | bluebrother | (due to the fact that there is nothing on the player we can use to identify it) |
| 13:33:29 | bluebrother | (nothinhg as in files in the filesystem) |
| 13:38:18 | doomgiver | ok, i changed the mode to MSC, detected and installing |
| 13:39:06 | doomgiver | detected the mountpoint, but autodetect button crashes the application, and i have to manually select my device from the list (the maufacturer list) |
| 13:41:07 | [Saint] | Maybe RbUtil should give a prompt for that? |
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| 13:41:28 | [Saint] | I mean, if people read the manual, it'd be fine...but, that's a pretty big if. |
| 13:41:50 | [Saint] | wrt: switching to MSC |
| 13:43:17 | [Saint] | Hummm...no, that wouldn't really work. There's no way for it to really tell the situation it would be applicable to display such a prompt in. |
| 13:46:38 | doomgiver | well, the manual straight off starts with manual install, with no "these things are REQUIRED" section. |
| 13:47:09 | doomgiver | ^^ i meant about that RButil thingy |
| 13:47:26 | doomgiver | anyway, thanks |
| 13:47:32 | doomgiver | i'll rtfm the NEXT time |
| 13:47:42 | [Saint] | "Note: The following steps require you to change the setting in Settings → System Settings → USB Mode to MSC from within the original firmware. Further note that all original firmware settings will be lost immediately after patching the bootloader, so you may need to correct this setting again after installing rockbox. |
| 13:47:42 | [Saint] | " |
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| 13:47:53 | [Saint] | ...sorry :) |
| 13:48:20 | [Saint] | that's from the "Before Starting" section. |
| 13:48:23 | funman | a bit dense and maybe lacking 96pixels font, bold and blinking |
| 13:48:44 | funman | in red foreground above bright green background |
| 13:48:58 | [Saint] | errrr...funman? |
| 13:49:40 | funman | commenting on doomgiver who says this text should be "REQUIRED" |
| 13:49:53 | [Saint] | Oh, sorry. |
| 13:50:10 | doomgiver | my mistake |
| 13:50:22 | doomgiver | i just sifted through the manual |
| 13:50:28 | doomgiver | bad habit, i know |
| 13:50:33 | [Saint] | Yeah :) |
| 13:50:41 | funman | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipzip/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-90002.2.1d |
| 13:50:47 | funman | Connect your player to the computer via USB in MSC mode as described in the manual that came with your player. |
| 13:50:54 | funman | that's the only sentence I see related to msc? |
| 13:51:16 | funman | hmm sorry it's there for clip+ |
| 13:52:09 | funman | not sure if the same sentence applies to Clip Zip (Sandisk moved/renamed the option in some devices) |
| 13:52:31 | funman | doomgiver: bad habit true, but nevertheless a common one so we should take it in account |
| 13:52:38 | doomgiver | yeah |
| 13:53:12 | [Saint] | RbUtil kinda opens the floodgates for the "maybe slightly less technically minded" ;) |
| 13:53:27 | * | [Saint] shakes a fist at bluebrother's monster |
| 13:53:47 | doomgiver | i just saw "DRM", "usb connection". thought ok, i dont need to worry about either. i dont have drm infested crap, and i do have a usb connection, then moved on. |
| 13:54:05 | doomgiver | i dont like the way you are accusing me of being "maybe slightly less technically minded" |
| 13:54:24 | [Saint] | Well, that actually sits kinda badly for you...if you read the USB section? |
| 13:54:32 | [Saint] | The note I pasted above is from that section. |
| 13:54:57 | doomgiver | accuse them who cry out for help. i installed RB WITHOUT help from you lot. |
| 13:55:06 | doomgiver | stop patronizing |
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| 13:55:16 | [Saint] | I also added a smiley, nor was it directed solely at you. Sorry for trying to add homour to this event. |
| 13:55:35 | doomgiver | i take offense. |
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| 13:56:36 | funman | i would guess especially the technically minded people do not read the manual |
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| 13:57:30 | funman | and since windows almost shows no difference between mtp and msc device (except the lack of a device letter) it's hard to guess that you're in MTP mode |
| 13:58:41 | [Saint] | My "nerd experience" must be /quite/ different. |
| 13:59:05 | [Saint] | There's two people in my hackers group that haven't installed Rb yet because they haven't finished reading the manual yet. |
| 13:59:26 | [Saint] | and yes, on the latter. |
| 13:59:45 | [Saint] | But afaik there's no way for RbUtil to guess which mode the player is in. |
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| 14:00:33 | funman | there is (different pid for MTP mode) |
| 14:00:38 | funman | usbid=0x07817433 |
| 14:00:38 | funman | usberror=0x07817432 |
| 14:00:55 | funman | that's for the clipv1 |
| 14:00:59 | funman | usbid=0x078174d1 |
| 14:01:00 | funman | usberror=0x078174d0 |
| 14:01:09 | funman | clip+ msc = 0x74d1, mtp = 0x74d0 |
| 14:01:56 | funman | though I guess rbutil uses the usberror field to make sure you did not select a wrong model (ipod nano2g vs ipod nano1g) |
| 14:02:18 | funman | but for Sansas it would be impossible, since there's no mount point / device letter when the device is in mtp mode? |
| 14:08:56 | [Saint] | Perhaps it could give some form of Sansa-specific hint if auto-detect fails? |
| 14:08:58 | [Saint] | "Do you have <foo_device>? If so, please ensure it is in MSC mode <LINK> and try again" |
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| 14:39:29 | bedhead | hey |
| 14:39:53 | bedhead | Um, i Tried installing, I have The files On my Sansa, and Yet rockbox Doesn't want To work. . . |
| 14:39:58 | bedhead | Figurews. |
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| 14:40:38 | [Saint] | bedhead: could you please explain what you have/have not done. |
| 14:40:47 | [Saint] | ...maybe without the random title case? |
| 14:41:01 | bedhead | But. . |
| 14:41:06 | bedhead | This is Just how I type. |
| 14:41:32 | bedhead | I downloaded rockbox utility For windows. |
| 14:42:10 | bedhead | I chose My sansa Fuze, and I downloaded The firmware From ther Forum. |
| 14:42:34 | bedhead | I then Installed what Was needed and Provided the Firmware. |
| 14:42:52 | bedhead | I took Out my Sansa and It doesn't Use the Rockbox inside Of it. |
| 14:42:52 | gevaerts | bedhead: if you want people to actually bother reading what you type, following normal conventions is a good start |
| 14:43:11 | bedhead | D: your hurting m me here. |
| 14:43:23 | bedhead | AlrightI will play your game. |
| 14:44:53 | bedhead | So no explainatiopn to why it's not working? |
| 14:45:17 | gevaerts | Did you use autodetect to pick the exact player type? |
| 14:45:35 | bedhead | I wastold in the tutorial not to do that. |
| 14:45:43 | gevaerts | What tutorial? |
| 14:45:52 | bedhead | That and the first time i autodetected it decided to freeze the program. |
| 14:45:56 | gevaerts | Always use autodetect unless it fails in some way |
| 14:46:11 | [Saint] | And, what tutorial? |
| 14:46:25 | [Saint] | If we saw that anywhere, we need to correct it. |
| 14:46:33 | [Saint] | If it is from elsewhere, ignore it. |
| 14:46:41 | [Saint] | s/saw/say/ |
| 14:47:02 | bedhead | install rockbox on sansa plus part 2 |
| 14:47:54 | [Saint] | ...link? |
| 14:48:08 | bedhead | I can't see my type thing. |
| 14:48:22 | bedhead | But that is the name of the video. |
| 14:48:38 | [Saint] | Right, the video which /didn't come from us, at all/. |
| 14:48:49 | evilnick | Don't follow instructions from places that aren't Rockbox.org |
| 14:48:51 | bedhead | You have tutorials? |
| 14:48:54 | [Saint] | No. |
| 14:49:01 | [Saint] | We have a manual, and an installer. |
| 14:49:45 | bedhead | I guess I will have a look at that. |
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| 14:51:21 | wenceslaus | Does anyone have any experience installing Rockbox on the 7G '09 160GB iPod Classic? The Rockbox.org wiki lists it as unusable at the moment, apparently with charging issues, but I've heard of others successfully using it. |
| 14:51:49 | [Saint] | wenceslaus: the classes there are not literal. |
| 14:52:00 | [Saint] | unusable doesn't necessarily mean "you cannot use it". |
| 14:52:33 | [Saint] | It simply means it doesn't meet the requirements of unstable/stable yet. |
| 14:52:35 | wenceslaus | I understand that, but is there any information on what exactly the battery problems are? |
| 14:52:41 | [Saint] | it's kinda non-obvious, I know. |
| 14:52:48 | [Saint] | There are none. |
| 14:52:54 | [Saint] | Where does it say that? |
| 14:53:12 | wenceslaus | I'll try to find the link. |
| 14:53:48 | wenceslaus | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus#New_Platforms_Currently_Under_De |
| 14:53:53 | [Saint] | Things missing from the Classic: Recording; A manual; A bootloader (other than emCORE), Dual-boot. |
| 14:54:02 | [Saint] | that info is old, ignore it. |
| 14:54:05 | wenceslaus | Under "new platforms>iPod classic |
| 14:54:37 | [Saint] | Right, it's safe to ignore. The wiki often has information on it that is ancient. |
| 14:55:11 | [Saint] | wenceslaus: here - http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic |
| 14:55:13 | wenceslaus | OK, is this site up-to-date and reliable? I know it's not straight from rockbox but it seems to be legit. |
| 14:55:13 | wenceslaus | http://www.head-fi.org/t/532426/ipod-classic-rockbox-its-happening |
| 14:55:20 | [Saint] | Ignore that link. |
| 14:55:36 | [Saint] | If it isn't from rockbox.org, or the freemyipod project, ignore it. |
| 14:55:38 | wenceslaus | I'm sorry. Which one? |
| 14:55:42 | wenceslaus | Oh, alright then. |
| 14:55:46 | [Saint] | the one you posted. |
| 14:55:54 | wenceslaus | OK, then that's all. Thanks guys. |
| 14:56:08 | [Saint] | The link I posted is an interactive install guide. |
| 14:56:13 | [Saint] | You'll get there :) |
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| 14:58:13 | * | [Saint] wonders what we or the google gods are doing wrong that people don't end up at freemyipod/rockbox.org when searching for these things |
| 14:59:14 | gevaerts | bedhead: anyway, in short, if *nothing* happens on the fuze, that's likely caused by an installation for the fuzev2 on a v1 or vice versa |
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| 15:00:14 | gevaerts | bedhead: I'd recommend removing the .rockbox directory from the player before you try again |
| 15:01:15 | [Saint] | gevaerts: might that cause an improper detection? |
| 15:01:21 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 15:01:39 | bedhead | Oh. |
| 15:01:56 | TheSeven | [Saint]: you forgot IAP :) |
| 15:02:12 | bedhead | Alright i will get Rid of rockbox. |
| 15:02:26 | bedhead | I am Sorry for The caps But typing Like you Get me A bit On edge. |
| 15:02:38 | [Saint] | TheSeven: I worded that incorrectly - "things missing that people care about" :P |
| 15:02:47 | bedhead | I have Typed like This for At least a year, It's ahabiot. |
| 15:02:55 | * | TheSeven assumes that more people care about IAP than about recording |
| 15:03:49 | [Saint] | TheSeven: since you're here, are there known codec issues with the Classic? |
| 15:03:50 | bedhead | How do You tell The difference Between v1 And v2? |
| 15:04:03 | [Saint] | Mine seems to barf *real* bad on the wmapro test files. |
| 15:05:09 | [Saint] | bedhead: check the original firmware |
| 15:05:29 | [Saint] | V1 == 1.XX.XX, V2 == 2.XX.XX |
| 15:05:31 | TheSeven | [Saint]: I haven't run into any, but i'm mostly using mp3 and vorbis |
| 15:06:01 | TheSeven | anyway, back when i ported it I did codec performance tests and didn't notice issues |
| 15:06:11 | [Saint] | I ran test_coded on the test_files, and noted a few that decoded in 4000000% realtime |
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| 15:06:29 | [Saint] | then I tried actually /listening/ to the audio, and nearly deafened myself. |
| 15:06:43 | TheSeven | hm, but the codec actually loaded? |
| 15:06:49 | [Saint] | Even with the volume at mute, an unbearable screaching is produced. |
| 15:07:01 | TheSeven | and it's working on other devices? |
| 15:07:22 | TheSeven | especially nano2g? |
| 15:07:25 | [Saint] | I only had my iPod 4G at the time, and it worked there. |
| 15:07:37 | bedhead | V02.03.33a |
| 15:07:50 | TheSeven | that's a v2 then |
| 15:07:57 | [Saint] | I can test on N2G in the morning, I'll leave a note here, or possibly open a bug report if I find more. |
| 15:08:06 | [Saint] | I just wanted to ask if it was kown for now. |
| 15:08:09 | bedhead | Alright. |
| 15:08:20 | [Saint] | *known |
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| 15:42:13 | bedhead | I would Like to Thank your Support. |
| 15:42:19 | bedhead | I now Am using Rockbox. |
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| 15:43:35 | bedhead | It appears That oom Requires more Buttons. |
| 15:43:43 | bedhead | I: can't Open doors. |
| 15:47:39 | [Saint] | Doom on a DAP is nothing more than a novelty. |
| 15:47:45 | [Saint] | It won't ever work "right". |
| 15:48:01 | bedhead | Alright. |
| 15:48:08 | bedhead | How ab out Pokemon for The next? |
| 15:48:37 | [Saint] | the next....? |
| 15:48:51 | bedhead | Update? |
| 15:49:33 | [Saint] | Nothing has changed with the Rockboy plugin for *years*. |
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| 15:50:04 | bedhead | How do You get Pokemon on It then? |
| 15:50:20 | bedhead | Do i Need to Some how Get the Emulator on, And then The game? |
| 15:50:40 | [Saint] | The emulator is a plugin, it is already there. |
| 15:50:45 | [Saint] | All you need is a ROM. |
| 15:50:53 | bedhead | Perfect. |
| 15:50:54 | [Saint] | I suspect you're trying to use a GBA ROM. |
| 15:50:59 | bedhead | Yews./ |
| 15:51:10 | [Saint] | Only GB/GBC is supported. |
| 15:51:21 | [Saint] | (and, even then, not very well) |
| 15:51:21 | bedhead | Then i Will use Yellow version. |
| 15:51:49 | bedhead | It appears I have All the Buttons needed. |
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| 17:23:57 | bluebrother | [Saint]: what monster? |
| 17:24:24 | [Saint] | I was being humorous (or attempting to) regarding RbUtil |
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| 17:26:31 | bluebrother | well, autodetection is something that needs rework ... |
| 17:26:44 | bluebrother | on some players we tell the user the player is in mtp mode (IIRC) |
| 17:27:13 | [Saint] | Oh, no, that's not why I called it a monster. I theorized that RbUtil opened the floodgates for not needing to read the manual. |
| 17:27:14 | bluebrother | actually, that should work for the clip+ |
| 17:27:32 | bluebrother | // treat all other errors as MTP device for now. |
| 17:27:54 | bluebrother | where "all other" is all errors that are not a MacPod error |
| 17:28:24 | bluebrother | which means that in the case earlier Rockbox Utility should have presented a dialog box telling that the player is in MTP mode and needs to get changed to MSC first |
| 17:28:40 | [Saint] | Hum, I was unaware it did that. Perhaps the poster gleefully disregarded the prompt. |
| 17:28:44 | bluebrother | of course unless there is a bug that prevents this from working :) |
| 17:28:58 | bluebrother | did someone tell something about a crash earlier? |
| 17:29:37 | bluebrother | I could imagine something causing a crash, resulting in the user not seeing that dialog box |
| 17:29:48 | bluebrother | but in general this issue has been accounted for ... |
| 17:30:33 | bluebrother | hmm. No, nothing crash related in the backlog. Just a "doesn't recognize". Gnah. |
| 17:30:41 | bluebrother | Maybe Sandisk changed USB IDs |
| 17:31:08 | bluebrother | but if there are new USB IDs and nobody reports them ... |
| 17:34:28 | [Saint] | bluebrother: I thought the same thing, about someone mentioning a crash, when you mentioned it. I had a brief look and I missed it at first, but, one was reported. |
| 17:34:30 | [Saint] | [01:39:07] <doomgiver> detected the mountpoint, but autodetect button crashes the application, and i have to manually select my device from the list (the maufacturer list) |
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| 18:39:44 | bluebrother | [Saint]: ok ... autodetection really needs a rework anyway. Maybe I should give that a bit of preference ... I was currently looking into Qt5 compatibility |
| 18:39:57 | bluebrother | (which is actually possible with the same codebase, but a few changes are necessary) |
| 18:40:14 | bluebrother | so now somebody give me enough free time and motivation :) |
| 18:42:55 | [Saint] | ...if there's any left, I'll take soem of that too. |
| 18:44:09 | bluebrother | of time or motivation? ;-) |
| 18:44:25 | [Saint] | Indeed. |
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| 18:58:28 | pamaury | bluebrother: am I right that bootloader version check in rbutil is unimplemented ? |
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| 19:20:15 | bluebrother | pamaury: for most devices we cannot check this. |
| 19:21:27 | pamaury | ok but my question is: if the bootloader installer support this, does the software use this information or not. If I understand the code correctly it seems to be completely unsupported. |
| 19:22:19 | bluebrother | the bootloader installer only checks if a bootloader is installed. It cannot detect the version of the bootloader |
| 19:22:41 | bluebrother | for one, we don't have any information in the bootloader to (reliably) retrieve the version number, like in a specific place in the binary |
| 19:22:58 | bluebrother | second, on most players we can't access the bootloader file after it has been installed |
| 19:23:18 | bluebrother | as a result we simply put the timestamp of the file on the server in the installation log |
| 19:23:33 | bluebrother | we could use that information and check if the file on the server is newer. But that is not implemented. |
| 19:23:50 | bluebrother | so in other words: yes, it is completely unsupported :) |
| 19:24:49 | pamaury | on imx233, I see possible ways of implementing this |
| 19:25:04 | pamaury | but that's probably an exception |
| 19:25:35 | bluebrother | well, if we can implement it in a way that works with the current implementation I don't have any objections to extending that :) |
| 19:26:24 | [Saint] | Could the bootloader generate a file of the storage partition? |
| 19:26:36 | [Saint] | *on the |
| 19:27:04 | bluebrother | sure, but that's not really reliable. If someone deletes that file (or messes with it) ... |
| 19:27:17 | bluebrother | otoh ... do our bootloaders have write support? |
| 19:27:28 | [Saint] | Pass, that's why I asked :) |
| 19:27:48 | [Saint] | It's not really reliable, but, it's better than nothing, no? |
| 19:28:12 | [Saint] | just to use as a "there may be a newer version available" check. |
| 19:28:31 | pamaury | on imx233 you could do this because the standard sdk (and thus most OF) support r/w to arbitrary partition, including the bootloader one. And if rockbox is already running, it could either emulate the same thing or write a file with this information. That would require implementing vendor SCSI on both windows and linux though |
| 19:30:10 | bluebrother | and OS X :o |
| 19:30:19 | bluebrother | which is a pain. |
| 19:31:23 | pamaury | yeah, but on some devices (zen xfi2) that's also the only way you can rewrite the bootloader |
| 19:31:30 | pamaury | :( |
| 19:31:45 | bluebrother | so ... don't support those devices! ;-) |
| 19:31:53 | [Saint] | Hahahaha |
| 19:33:51 | pamaury | actually i'm lying a bit, the zen xfi2 has a recovery mode so we could ask the user to enter recovery mode then send a binary to handle the upgrade |
| 19:34:09 | [Saint] | similar to the Classic |
| 19:34:25 | [Saint] | wrt: needing manual intervention to install |
| 19:36:25 | bluebrother | hmm, writing a unit test for the HttpGet class is interesting. Starts to show some ... interesting behaviour in some cases ;-) |
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| 20:38:55 | bluebrother | having the sim save its screenshots as png could be really useful. Especially if that feature is automatically enabled if libpng is found |
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| 20:40:22 | [Saint] | someone reported that to be non-functional actually...I still need to check that. |
| 20:40:50 | [Saint] | (saying the screendump process appeared to work, but no file(s) were written to the simdisk) |
| 20:41:08 | bluebrother | F5 works nicele for me |
| 20:41:13 | bluebrother | *nicely |
| 20:41:34 | bluebrother | the only "problem" is that the output file is bmp :) |
| 20:41:49 | bluebrother | we could also use SDL_image to load the background image for the sim from a png graphic. |
| 20:41:52 | [Saint] | Oh? Huh...is there actually a "grab a screenshot" button? |
| 20:42:17 | bluebrother | though that would add another dependency. I wouldn't mind this, but perhaps someone else does? |
| 20:42:23 | bluebrother | yes there is. |
| 20:42:40 | [Saint] | Well, I'll be damned. I had no idea. |
| 20:42:53 | [Saint] | The sim suffers from an amazingly bad lack of documentation. |
| 20:44:05 | [Saint] | I've discovered the keys I know from word of mouth and trial and error. |
| 20:44:13 | [Saint] | I didn't know that one though, thanks. |
| 20:45:52 | bluebrother | oh, keypad 0 also triggers a screenshot |
| 20:46:22 | bluebrother | have a look at firmware/target/hosted/sdl/button-sdl.c |
| 20:47:51 | bluebrother | something I was also thinking about was changing the buttons to use hjkl for movements −− not having a numpad on the machine can be annoying with the sim :) |
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| 20:51:20 | * | gevaerts doesn't think that having the bootloader write stuff is a good idea |
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| 20:54:46 | [Saint] | I never said it was a /good/ idea... |
| 20:54:58 | [Saint] | :) |
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| 20:59:37 | gevaerts | Having the bootloader pass its version at a specified memory location and then having that in about/rockbox would be better I think. SWUSB targets could also have a custom SCSI command to read it |
| 20:59:45 | gevaerts | (also in bootloader USB) |
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| 21:06:09 | [Saint] | necroposting done right. |
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| 22:46:41 | bluebrother | gevaerts: do you remember if SWUSB targets support setting the time via custom SCSI or is that only on the Ipods? |
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| 22:53:46 | [Saint] | bluebrother: r22255 |
| 22:55:04 | bluebrother | thx! |
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| 22:55:25 | * | [Saint] occasionally has decent grep-fu |
| 22:55:53 | bluebrother | maybe implementing support for that in Rockbox Utility would be a nice thing. |
| 22:56:02 | bluebrother | though custom SCSI on OS X ... :o |
| 22:56:27 | [Saint] | I seem to recall there being some form of ipod-specific tool to set the time, but I can't seem to find it anymore. |
| 22:56:43 | [Saint] | maybe it wasn't official, and/or I'm dreaming it. |
| 22:57:09 | bluebrother | utils/time-sync |
| 22:57:39 | [Saint] | ah, thanks. |
| 22:57:51 | bluebrother | but it's linux only |
| 22:57:57 | * | [Saint] nods |
| 22:58:26 | bluebrother | so I guess that would need porting to W32 and OS X, and maybe even trying to make it work without sg3_utils |
| 22:59:30 | [Saint] | Bah! Samsung has ruined me. I can't see sg3 without thinking Android |
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| 23:00:06 | bluebrother | :D |
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| 23:32:21 | pamaury | bluebrother: it's not hard to send custom scsi without sg3_utils, there is a library for it |
| 23:32:31 | pamaury | on W32 it's really easy too |
| 23:32:34 | moben | So, I'm still struggling to get conditional viewports to work in a .sbs screen. |
| 23:32:38 | moben | this is what I want to do that doesn't work: https://raw.github.com/gist/4459337/ |
| 23:33:14 | [Saint] | well, that won't work, no. |
| 23:33:23 | [Saint] | For different reasons that yesterday. |
| 23:33:30 | moben | it's the same ;-) |
| 23:33:47 | moben | but tell me, I'm all ears |
| 23:33:50 | [Saint] | It isn't what you showed me yesterday, no. |
| 23:34:26 | moben | 03:38:57 moben | this is what I want to do that doesn't work: https://raw.github.com/gist/4459337/ _ derf |
| 23:34:29 | moben | 03:56:02 [Saint] | I can't see at the present why that wouldn't work, but, I'm a bit distracted. |
| 23:35:19 | [Saint] | <moben> here is what I'm doing: https://raw.github.com/gist/4459313/ |
| 23:35:57 | moben | [Saint]: that works. the one with conditional viewports doesn't |
| 23:37:49 | [Saint] | Hum, my obvious syntax error was a Chrome rendering snafoo. |
| 23:38:23 | * | [Saint] doesn't suppose that moben is set up to compile Rockbox? |
| 23:38:37 | moben | [Saint]: sure can do |
| 23:38:49 | moben | [Saint]: already had to compile the simulator ;-) |
| 23:39:00 | [Saint] | compile checkwps for your target. |
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| 23:40:44 | [Saint] | it's the same as building anything else, just select the target number, and then "C" |
| 23:41:08 | [Saint] | then checkwps /path/to/file |
| 23:41:45 | [Saint] | Assuming it is syntactical error that for <some_reason> (I'll probably kick myself later for), this will display it. |
| 23:42:00 | [Saint] | -that |
| 23:46:35 | moben | [Saint]: it says OK |
| 23:47:26 | [Saint] | ...which likely explains why I've been staring at your example for some combined time wondering what isn't obvious to me. |
| 23:47:57 | [Saint] | JdGordon: ^ This |
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