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| 01:05:15 | eluria | hi. i've just installed rockbox on my ipod (very nice!) but i don't know how to put ogg files on it. floola refuses to do so without converting |
| 01:05:34 | soap | treat it like a hard drive, not an iPod. |
| 01:06:01 | soap | I assume Floola is an ipod "manager" program, eluria, a replacement for iTunes. |
| 01:06:09 | eluria | soap: it is. |
| 01:06:15 | soap | no such program is going to think an iPod can play ogg. |
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| 01:06:22 | eluria | so i can just drop such software and upload files as they are? |
| 01:06:47 | soap | But Rockbox doesn't depend on the iPod database. It can't use it infact. So load up your ipod as if it were a generic hard disk drive. |
| 01:06:52 | soap | yes |
| 01:07:20 | eluria | nice. that's even better. not thinking of that option just shows how badly my mind got corrupted by the regular ipod |
| 01:08:20 | eluria | and btw, it can use it. when i first opened the database item on the main menu, rockbox asked to init its db and afterwards it presented me with the same music list as regular ipod OS |
| 01:08:35 | soap | you can delete the ipod_control folder and thereby nuke your itunes-loaded music if you like. I haven't rebooted into Apple firmware for 5 years. |
| 01:08:42 | soap | no. |
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| 01:08:48 | [Saint] | rockbox can use the itunes db. |
| 01:08:54 | soap | Rockbox built its own database by scanning the files. |
| 01:08:55 | [Saint] | no one said it couldn't. |
| 01:09:09 | soap | I did and when did rockbox learn to parse the itunes database? |
| 01:09:14 | [Saint] | the iTunes db, however, will never load an .ogg file. |
| 01:10:20 | eluria | i'll happily delete the ipod_control directory. good riddance |
| 01:10:22 | [Saint] | Sorry, I'm misrepresenting the term. "Rockbox is entirely capable of displaying files loaded by the OF, but, the OF will never load an .ogg" |
| 01:11:22 | eluria | [Saint]: I see. I think I see how it works now, thx :) |
| 01:11:53 | eluria | finally my ipod is one step closer to perfection. now if only it would have fm radio... |
| 01:12:26 | [Saint] | I mess it up myself, as you can see above. :) Rockbox isn;t using the iTunes database, it was erroneous of me to say so. What it can do, is scan the entire disk and display any media the OF happened to put there. |
| 01:12:50 | [Saint] | It'll only get an FM radio if you add the hardware to do so. |
| 01:13:06 | [Saint] | FM on an iPod requires the FM Remote. |
| 01:13:12 | [Saint] | s/the/an/ |
| 01:13:29 | eluria | i always thought the hashed files contained original data. that's why i assumed rockbox would have to scan the db in order to retrieve metadata |
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| 01:14:19 | eluria | [Saint]: hm interesting. i did not know such a thing existed. i'll look into it |
| 01:15:09 | [Saint] | Some docks also offer FM. |
| 01:16:45 | eluria | i like the ipod's mobility though |
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| 01:16:58 | [Saint] | If/When looking for accessories, don;t get confused by the ridiculously cheap FM transmitters. |
| 01:17:18 | [Saint] | They won't help you *recieve* FM in any shape or form. |
| 01:17:23 | eluria | those are meant to play ipod music over regular radio right? |
| 01:17:29 | * | [Saint] nods |
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| 01:18:01 | eluria | yeh i like the idea of that though. like the fake cassette players for car radios |
| 01:18:56 | eluria | are there any good tutorials for cross compiling software to rockbox btw? it could come in handy to write my own code |
| 01:19:03 | [Saint] | http://mac.sillydog.org/archives/pic/ipodradioremote.gif <−− this is what you're looking for |
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| 01:21:16 | eluria | hm $17...not too bad |
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| 01:21:54 | [Saint] | You can either write a plugin: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HowtoWritePlugins , use the LUA enterpretor plugin: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginLua , or, code in C and add <whatever> to the core and recompile. |
| 01:22:21 | [Saint] | There's no straight <lang/application> - <Rockbox> conversion. |
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| 01:22:52 | eluria | i see. a plugin is probably closest to what i would use then. thanks |
| 01:23:56 | [Saint] | Generally speaking, unless it is very simple, it's not the greatest place to learn...but, it is an awesome place to learn. |
| 01:23:58 | eluria | wow. my trusty old ipod suddenly got so much more useful. rockboz makes me very happy |
| 01:24:07 | [Saint] | It can be a very restrictive envirnment. |
| 01:24:24 | [Saint] | You're playing with devices that have sweet stuff all resources, usually :) |
| 01:24:33 | eluria | rockbox you mean? would direct coding and recompilation be easier then? |
| 01:25:06 | eluria | yeh. these devices really deserve more than just apple firmware :) |
| 01:25:57 | [Saint] | Perhaps I worded it badly. People often have very grand intentions, and then find out exactly how little resources these devices actually have, and then learn why they can't allocate massive arrays. |
| 01:26:02 | [Saint] | etc., etc. |
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| 01:27:47 | eluria | oh right. well it can play audio and display graphics. i'm used to avr uC's so an ipod can't be that bad comparing |
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| 01:29:34 | [Saint] | It isn't really an issue unless you're planning on contributing said plugin back to the source. |
| 01:29:53 | [Saint] | If you know the limits of your given target, and that's all that matters, it's a lot easier. |
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| 01:31:38 | eluria | true |
| 01:38:16 | eluria | well I'm off, thanks for your help! ltr |
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| 11:01:08 | stryaponoff | Hello, guys! Anybody can review my commit? http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/389 |
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| 11:41:49 | JdGordon | stryaponoff: are you in docs/CREDITS? |
| 11:45:23 | stryaponoff | JdGordon: No, I'm new to Rockbox. This is my first commit. |
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| 11:48:10 | Madani | hello everyone |
| 11:48:25 | Madani | I'm having trouble charging my sansa clip+ from USB |
| 11:48:58 | Madani | sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't |
| 11:49:43 | Madani | when it doesn't, I have this message "Battery empty. RECHARGE ! Shutting down" and the device goes off |
| 11:50:33 | Madani | it doesn't stay on long enough to begin the charge |
| 11:55:04 | stryaponoff | Madani: Maybe it's a hardware bug? I'm never having trouble with my Clip+. Does stock firmware charges the battery? |
| 11:57:08 | JdGordon | stryaponoff: go ahead and add your name to that file and push the path again :) |
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| 12:00:10 | Madani | stryaponoff: no. Even with original firmware, the Sansa dies during the "refreshing your media" screen |
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| 12:02:42 | stryaponoff | Madani: It seems like hardware error. Then I don't know that kind of help you want to receive here :) |
| 12:03:23 | stryaponoff | JdGordon: I was never working with git before. I need to delete the existing commit or something? |
| 12:04:47 | Madani | well I guess there's one last thing you could help me with: can I completely delete Rockbox so I can send the Sansa back for an exchange ? |
| 12:06:54 | stryaponoff | Madani: Yes, you can. Just download the Sansa firmware and copy it to internal memory then disconnect player from computer. |
| 12:07:24 | Madani | okay |
| 12:07:26 | Madani | thank you ! |
| 12:07:29 | stryaponoff | Madani: Oh. Then remove the .rockbox folder too. |
| 12:07:35 | Madani | okay :) |
| 12:07:57 | stryaponoff | Madani: :) |
| 12:08:13 | Madani | bye |
| 12:08:21 | stryaponoff | Madani: Good luck |
| 12:08:23 | JdGordon | stryaponoff: no, modify the file, then do "git commit −−ammend -a" which will recommit the changs with the old log, then push it again and it will magically work |
| 12:08:30 | JdGordon | there might only be one m in ammend |
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| 12:08:45 | JdGordon | git commit −−amend |
| 12:09:26 | stryaponoff | JdGordon: Ok. I got it. |
| 12:14:36 | stryaponoff | JdGordon: Looks like I did it :) |
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| 13:07:57 | yklaniska | Hi all! I have one question. Does rockbox downsampling all formats to 16/44.1??? |
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| 13:54:44 | JdGordon | stryaponoff: just testing them now |
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| 13:57:53 | stryaponoff | JdGordon: Thank you |
| 13:58:42 | JdGordon | and pushed, thanks |
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| 14:04:27 | yklaniska | heeey |
| 14:06:45 | stryaponoff | JdGordon: I've never contributed open source projects before and chose to start with Rockbox. Hopefully, my first сommit will not the last one :) Thank you. |
| 14:12:10 | AlexP | yklaniska: yes |
| 14:12:18 | AlexP | Not very well either |
| 14:17:22 | yklaniska | Does rockbox downsampling all formats to 16/44.1??? |
| 14:18:26 | soap | [Saint], ever get the 10-band EQ tested to your satisfaction? Do you want a PP test still? |
| 14:18:46 | soap | I'm going to be driving soon for the next 48 hours - plenty of time to run a few benches on my Nano 1G |
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| 17:26:02 | dfkt | i resynced g#156 - how do i put that on gerrit? |
| 17:26:05 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #156 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/156 : root menu: add the shutdown option to all builds by Jonathan Gordon (changes/56/156/1) |
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| 17:45:38 | dfkt | i read the git/gerrit wiki page... there is no simple way of just uploading a patch/diff, like with svn, i suppose? one has to do the whole ssh/git push thing? |
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| 17:54:12 | n1s | dfkt: if you *really* don't want to do that you can still post patches in the tracker |
| 17:55:20 | dfkt | n1s, it's not that i don't want to, it's just that git is ridiculously complicated compared to svn, a lot harder to use than actually changing some code. ;) anyways, i think i'm ready to put it on gerrit, just need the right git push line so it appears appended to g#156, not as a new commit |
| 17:55:22 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #156 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/156 : root menu: add the shutdown option to all builds by Jonathan Gordon (changes/56/156/1) |
| 17:56:48 | n1s | dfkt: i think, all you need is to put the same Change-Id line in the commit message |
| 17:57:00 | * | gevaerts checks |
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| 17:57:43 | gevaerts | dfkt: you need to use −−amend if you want to change an existing commit (which in this case you do) |
| 17:57:56 | gevaerts | That commit needs to be the latest one |
| 17:59:02 | dfkt | git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master |
| 17:59:10 | dfkt | −−amend [change-id]? |
| 17:59:17 | gevaerts | No |
| 17:59:26 | gevaerts | −−amend is a commit argument, not push |
| 17:59:32 | dfkt | oh |
| 17:59:45 | gevaerts | What does your git log look like now? |
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| 18:00:03 | dfkt | uppermost commit is by me |
| 18:00:47 | gevaerts | OK, and the one before that is the #156 one, I suppose? |
| 18:01:14 | dfkt | http://pastebin.com/MHt3mSN9 |
| 18:02:01 | dfkt | oh, no, not the old #156 before it |
| 18:02:16 | gevaerts | hmmm |
| 18:02:26 | dfkt | i made a .diff locally and patched it to the clean source |
| 18:02:35 | gevaerts | ah, ok. hmmm |
| 18:03:18 | gevaerts | You'll probably want to keep the author line from #156 too then I suppose |
| 18:04:29 | gevaerts | So what you probably want to do now is "git commit −−amend −−author <someone>", check if the author line is there in the commit message, and change the Change-Id: line to have the one from #156 |
| 18:05:23 | dfkt | −−author <someone> is JdGordon in that case (the original creator of #156)? |
| 18:05:31 | gevaerts | I'd say so |
| 18:05:44 | gevaerts | Oh, and get the entire commit message from #156. You're replacing it, not adding one on top |
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| 18:05:53 | dfkt | oh, good to know |
| 18:06:29 | gevaerts | Well, the entire history will stay on gerrit, but if this is pushed to master, it will be just your commit with your commit message |
| 18:06:58 | gevaerts | Author will be "Jonathan Gordon <something@somewhere>" |
| 18:07:12 | * | gevaerts edited the email address to avoid spam :) |
| 18:07:16 | dfkt | :) |
| 18:07:42 | dfkt | i should have done that for pastebin, aargh |
| 18:07:57 | gevaerts | Well, it's on the net anyway |
| 18:08:34 | gevaerts | In general it's easier to cherry-pick that gerrit change on top of your local tree, make the necessary changes, and then "git commit −−amend". That will preserve the original commit message and author |
| 18:09:16 | dfkt | hmm, does that work if the original change doesn't apply to the source anymore? |
| 18:09:26 | gevaerts | Yes and no |
| 18:09:47 | * | gevaerts tries |
| 18:10:10 | bluebrother | you'll get a merge conflict |
| 18:10:23 | bluebrother | but the same happens when you git pull −−rebase on that branch |
| 18:10:25 | bluebrother | afaik :) |
| 18:10:30 | bluebrother | (and remember) |
| 18:10:41 | gevaerts | Yes, there's a merge conflict |
| 18:10:51 | dfkt | aargh... i think i want to just upload a .patch, and stay uneducatead about git :/ |
| 18:10:58 | dfkt | uneducated, even |
| 18:11:04 | bluebrother | git is really nice :) |
| 18:11:33 | dfkt | i'm sure it is if you use it on a daily basis :) |
| 18:12:45 | * | bluebrother doesn't |
| 18:13:03 | bluebrother | I'm still using svn daily, and I frequently miss some of the features git has |
| 18:13:26 | bluebrother | though admittedly the initial learning effort is higher on git |
| 18:16:11 | dfkt | what i have now - http://pastebin.com/4gGvHA8F |
| 18:16:33 | dfkt | of course all hell broke loose now that i re-committed the changes i already had in there |
| 18:17:32 | dfkt | the two changed files don't show up in the "git add" list, since they're already added, and i'm "ahead of master" |
| 18:19:15 | * | gevaerts isn't sure what to advise |
| 18:19:33 | dfkt | git checkout -f, and reset −−hard, i suppose |
| 18:19:39 | dfkt | then apply the patches anew |
| 18:20:08 | gevaerts | Yes, but try the cherry-pick way instead |
| 18:20:15 | gevaerts | It's a *lot* easier |
| 18:20:30 | * | dfkt gonna read up on cherry-picking on the wiki page |
| 18:21:02 | gevaerts | Just click on "cherry-pick" on the gerrit change page and copy the line it shows |
| 18:22:29 | dfkt | it gives me the error i expected: error: could not apply a914cb8... root menu: add the shutdown option to all builds |
| 18:22:31 | gevaerts | It will tell you about the merge issue, which leaves the usual "<<<" and ">>>" markers in the file (same as svn, really). After you fix those, "git commit" will do the right thing |
| 18:22:38 | dfkt | ah ok |
| 18:23:10 | gevaerts | Ah, git commit -a :) |
| 18:23:29 | gevaerts | Or git add before git commit |
| 18:32:54 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: in a week I will have more spare time...so I would also like to resume a little Z5 port along R1 |
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| 18:33:43 | pamaury | lorenzo92: ok fine |
| 18:33:53 | pamaury | same thing for me approx ^^ |
| 18:34:12 | pamaury | I'm still working on the register differences though, I'm close to having an exhaustive table |
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| 18:34:31 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: great :) I'm just confused about a new target BUT that will share lot of code with the existing (stmp37xx) |
| 18:34:53 | pamaury | what do you about new target ? |
| 18:35:51 | pamaury | yeah the goal is to share many thing if possible, I would really like to be able to finish the register define generation and switch to this new scheme next week, this we have corect register definition |
| 18:36:00 | lorenzo92 | okay |
| 18:36:31 | pamaury | at the same time I'll do some on on my x-fi which is stmp3700 so that we have the three families working |
| 18:36:44 | lorenzo92 | good |
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| 18:46:07 | dfkt | seems i just need to fix the email address somewhere, somehow :) - http://pastebin.com/jz55pXkN |
| 18:46:18 | dfkt | it doesn't like me committing with JdGordon's address |
| 18:46:33 | dfkt | even though it knows my own address, the bastard |
| 18:46:35 | dfkt | i mean, git |
| 18:47:24 | dfkt | do i jsut manually edit COMMIT_EDITMSG? |
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| 18:48:50 | dfkt | i guess it's something more obscure than that though... in COMMIT_EDITMSG the email address is on a commented out line |
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| 19:15:48 | dfkt | this is like pulling teeth, i give up :p |
| 19:15:52 | bluebrother | dfkt: iirc our gerrit configuration allows pushing with a different commit mail address only if you're a committer. |
| 19:16:23 | dfkt | i made a comment on the gerrit page, with a pastebin link... it's not like a lot of people seem to care about that feature anyways |
| 19:18:33 | bluebrother | I'm rather under the impression that quite a lot of committers are busy with other things these days. |
| 19:18:52 | bluebrother | after all, Rockbox has reached some kind of feature-completeness long ago. |
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| 19:19:16 | bluebrother | and dedicated DAPs are somewhat becoming extinct |
| 19:19:28 | dfkt | well yes, this patch is mostly useful for RaaA :) |
| 19:20:34 | dfkt | it's good to see that new ports for dedicated DAPs are still being worked on, though |
| 19:20:43 | bluebrother | personally I don't see too much point in RaaA −− having native apps on top of some librockbox (or whatever it is called then) sounds like a better idea to me |
| 19:20:46 | bluebrother | true. |
| 19:21:19 | bluebrother | or, instead of "not much point" rather "not much point in doing RaaA without native frontend" :) |
| 19:21:22 | dfkt | personally, i find all android audio apps to be awful to use, most don't even have dedicated folder browsing |
| 19:21:33 | dfkt | rockbox is still the very best for my needs |
| 19:21:56 | dfkt | and the most configurable, of course |
| 19:22:05 | bluebrother | I still use the Ipod for audio playback :D |
| 19:23:01 | dfkt | i use a cfr-modded x5 as my main player, and a clip+ on the go... but i love rockbox on my android thingies for cifs/samba playback at home - can't beat having 1TB+ FLAC on a 4GB archos 32 :) |
| 19:23:34 | dfkt | *cf-modded |
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| 20:13:43 | bluebrother | yay. Finally HttpGet rewritten :) |
| 20:14:02 | bluebrother | now to hope that this doesn't introduce new nasty bugs |
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| 20:16:01 | bluebrother | and only a couple of fixes missing until Rockbox Utility will compile with Qt5 |
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| 20:22:37 | Raptors | pamaury_, do you know if anything big has changed in Rockbox? |
| 20:22:50 | | Nick pamaury_ is now known as pamaury (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) |
| 20:23:03 | pamaury | Raptors: when ? and why ? :) |
| 20:23:12 | Raptors | I'm running = 62de15f-120103 |
| 20:23:21 | Raptors | was wondering if I should update |
| 20:23:40 | Raptors | 130103* |
| 20:23:51 | pamaury | which target ? |
| 20:23:57 | Raptors | Fuse+ |
| 20:24:11 | pamaury | yes, frequency scaling was enabled |
| 20:24:35 | * | bluebrother spots the probably most wrongly typed player again :) |
| 20:24:57 | Raptors | pamaury, so it runs better now? |
| 20:24:58 | Raptors | k |
| 20:25:29 | pamaury | battery life is much better |
| 20:25:47 | pamaury | and I think I fixed all the unstabilies to related to it |
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| 20:26:11 | Raptors | sweet |
| 20:26:11 | Dead_Body | hi |
| 20:26:36 | pamaury | the only major problem left is the screen is still flickering once in a while |
| 20:26:43 | Dead_Body | my clip+ is bricked, and website says to ask for help before attempting anything myself |
| 20:26:51 | Raptors | ya I had the prob myself |
| 20:27:07 | Raptors | but it goes away so it's not too bad |
| 20:27:10 | pamaury | Dead_Body: ask for funman or bertrik |
| 20:27:32 | pamaury | yeah, but the OF does not suffer from it, so I really would like to understand where does it come from |
| 20:27:41 | pamaury | and recording is not implemented but you know that |
| 20:27:43 | Dead_Body | like /msg them? |
| 20:28:55 | pamaury | Dead_Body: writing their name should do, they'll answer only if their are there of course |
| 20:28:58 | pamaury | *they |
| 20:29:06 | Dead_Body | oh ok |
| 20:29:16 | Raptors | ya I generally just use OF for recording (if I need to). I think I'm going to buy a standalone digital recorder for school though. |
| 20:29:23 | Dead_Body | funman: excuse me sir, my clip+ is possibly bricked |
| 20:29:55 | pamaury | one day I'll implement recording, but it's so boring ^^ |
| 20:31:43 | Raptors | pamaury, why is there text in another language scrolling above the dani theme beside the power/sound icon? |
| 20:31:45 | Raptors | :/ |
| 20:31:58 | Raptors | It's an awesome theme so I don't mind it, but it's odd |
| 20:32:25 | pamaury | could be a theme bug, I have no idea |
| 20:32:37 | pamaury | JdGordon knows ways more about theming than me ^^ |
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| 20:32:46 | Raptors | k |
| 20:32:46 | pamaury | probably you should check in the simulator |
| 20:33:04 | pamaury | if the bug persists, then it's a problem with the theme or the theme engine |
| 20:36:29 | Raptors | it's not happening in the other theme so I don't think it's a bug with the theme engine. |
| 20:42:07 | Raptors | pamaury, I don't think it's a bug |
| 20:42:13 | Raptors | it's part of the theme |
| 20:42:20 | pamaury | ok ^^ |
| 20:42:23 | Raptors | some spanish quote |
| 20:42:24 | Raptors | lol |
| 20:42:29 | Raptors | la vida es simple recibes de lo que has dado y para ser feliz tan solo hay que olvidar el pasado |
| 20:42:32 | Raptors | life is simple you get what you gave to be happy and just have to forget the past |
| 20:44:47 | Raptors | That's actually pretty cool. I wonder if I can modify this theme to change that quote to some other quote in english |
| 20:45:03 | Raptors | pamaury, do you know where I can download the theme file directly? |
| 20:46:51 | pamaury | on the website I guess |
| 20:47:21 | pamaury | how did you get it ? |
| 20:48:12 | Raptors | download manager |
| 20:48:20 | Raptors | I found it on the site though |
| 20:48:20 | Raptors | http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=sansafuzeplus |
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| 21:31:27 | Raptors | pamaury, I got data abort at 60055354 when I tried to load dani theme :/ |
| 21:32:31 | pamaury | hum |
| 21:33:00 | [Saint] | check the address against the map file? |
| 21:33:28 | [Saint] | That's really the only way data aborts mean anything other than "Eeeek! I died!" |
| 21:36:51 | pamaury | isn't backtrace enabled by default ? Raptors do you have stack trace ? |
| 21:37:43 | [Saint] | Is it? Oh. Hum. |
| 21:39:04 | Raptors | pamaury, it worked now without crashing (idk what changed) but it wont load the background :/ |
| 21:39:08 | Raptors | backdrop |
| 21:39:21 | Raptors | Is there a setting to change the backdrop manually? |
| 21:39:27 | pamaury | maybe that's a problem with th theme engine ^^ |
| 21:39:33 | pamaury | I don't know |
| 21:39:42 | [Saint] | More likely a problem with the theme. |
| 21:40:00 | [Saint] | It can be syntactically valid and still very broken. |
| 21:40:17 | pamaury | but can it crash the engine? |
| 21:40:20 | Raptors | [Saint], team is working fine but the backdrop isn't being loaded |
| 21:40:33 | Raptors | How are backdrops loaded? |
| 21:40:37 | Raptors | what file should I check? |
| 21:40:48 | [Saint] | Right, but, that's two entirely seperate themes, likely made at completely different times, by different authors. |
| 21:41:04 | [Saint] | One works, another doesn't means nothing, lest they are identical. |
| 21:41:16 | [Saint] | (which they aren't) |
| 21:41:55 | [Saint] | pamaury: can it? Ohhhhhh yes. :) |
| 21:42:01 | [Saint] | Should it? Heck no. |
| 21:42:30 | pamaury | lol |
| 21:42:49 | [Saint] | It's technically impossibly, but lebellium has a theme that can reproducibly melt theme theme engine, and even cause USB issues. :) |
| 21:42:55 | [Saint] | *impossible. |
| 21:43:16 | [Saint] | I think he's made several now, lucky boy. |
| 21:43:48 | Raptors | ok I rebooted it and it fixed the backdrop |
| 21:43:49 | Raptors | lol |
| 21:44:47 | Raptors | This theme is sweet. I changed the quote to a thomos edison one from some spanish quote too |
| 21:45:00 | Raptors | Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time...Thomas Edison |
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| 21:46:21 | [Saint] | Hum....doesn't that technically imply that one should keep trying *after* success? :-S #philosophygonewrong |
| 21:46:35 | [Saint] | (wildly offtopic anyway ;)) |
| 21:46:45 | Raptors | lol |
| 21:47:09 | Raptors | [Saint], well if you try one more time after success you might make it better ;_ |
| 21:47:11 | Raptors | ;)* |
| 21:47:48 | Raptors | There is some spanish scrolling on the home screen too |
| 21:47:55 | Raptors | gotta figure out how to translate it |
| 21:48:59 | Raptors | "rockbox is freedom" |
| 21:49:04 | Raptors | heh, that's pretty awesome |
| 21:49:12 | Raptors | rockbox es libertad |
| 21:50:09 | Raptors | k I found it, it's in sbs file |
| 21:50:17 | Raptors | Probably will just directly translate it |
| 21:50:37 | Raptors | pamaury, should I upload this theme? |
| 21:50:40 | Raptors | updated theme |
| 21:50:58 | [Saint] | There's nothing stopping you from doing so. |
| 21:51:09 | [Saint] | If you want to, go for it, the license specifically allows this. |
| 21:53:16 | Raptors | [Saint], lol, this theme killed usb |
| 21:53:30 | [Saint] | ...interesting. |
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| 21:54:40 | [Saint] | The theme engine *really* shouldn't be able to do this. It smacks of memory corruption (buflib methinks), but no one can seem to find it. |
| 21:54:46 | [Saint] | It's *way* above my head. |
| 21:55:32 | lebellium | I'm still waiting for a god to fix that :D |
| 21:56:05 | [Saint] | A couple of people, wodz, funman, have tried to find the issue...and both of them fixed rather serious bugs with memory corruption...but not *the* bug, apparently. |
| 21:56:43 | [Saint] | Turns out that bufflib may have needed some *very* heavy testing, and it got heavy testing, but apparently not quite enough. |
| 21:57:31 | [Saint] | This shouldn't be possible. But it's happening. |
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| 21:57:55 | [Saint] | Knowing the requirements to trigger it would be great. I don't even know that. |
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| 21:58:11 | [Saint] | the best bet seems to be "a theme lebelliummade" :P |
| 21:58:20 | [Saint] | *lebellium made |
| 21:58:32 | [Saint] | Why? |
| 21:58:36 | * | [Saint] shrugs |
| 21:58:41 | Raptors | [Saint], http://pastie.org/5887836 |
| 21:58:45 | Raptors | pamaury, |
| 21:59:05 | Raptors | woops |
| 21:59:12 | Raptors | that should be FSR 0x1 |
| 21:59:33 | Raptors | http://pastie.org/5887846 |
| 21:59:50 | lebellium | I'm going to port my theme to E200, H10/X5 and YP-R1 soon. Memory corruption will be very funny :D |
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| 22:00:13 | Raptors | lebellium, which theme did you make? |
| 22:01:00 | lebellium | I made "lebellium Samsung-like" for Clip+, Clip Zip, Fuze, R0/Fuze+ and SA9200. |
| 22:01:36 | Raptors | o... |
| 22:02:17 | lebellium | It doesn't work perfectly on any target I guess ahaha |
| 22:02:45 | Raptors | well this is really disappointing I love this theme but it broke USB |
| 22:02:47 | Raptors | somehow |
| 22:03:01 | Raptors | the ignus theme |
| 22:03:09 | lebellium | yes, broke the theme engine is one of my powers. |
| 22:03:18 | * | [Saint] thought there was a way to easily get the .map files |
| 22:03:24 | [Saint] | Is this only for releases? |
| 22:03:34 | Raptors | [Saint], idk how |
| 22:03:45 | Raptors | I just typed what I saw on the screen |
| 22:03:51 | pamaury | the map file is produced with every buiild |
| 22:04:08 | [Saint] | pamaury: I thought we offered them for download, though? |
| 22:04:12 | [Saint] | For this occurence. |
| 22:04:26 | pamaury | only for release |
| 22:04:36 | pamaury | I think |
| 22:04:43 | [Saint] | Ahhhh....bugger. |
| 22:05:19 | pamaury | for which other build would you want them ? |
| 22:06:07 | [Saint] | It would be kinda useful if they existed for all, but I understand the added bandwidth concerns. |
| 22:06:30 | pamaury | for daily builds you mean ? |
| 22:06:38 | Raptors | ya theme engine is busted I think |
| 22:06:40 | [Saint] | It would just be nice if we could retrieve the .map file from a dev build and actually check the address. |
| 22:07:01 | Raptors | the only way I can use USB is if I use default cabby (or w/e) theme |
| 22:07:02 | [Saint] | Since the dev builds seem much more likely to have issue than a release. |
| 22:07:22 | [Saint] | Raptors: it isn't the theme engine as such, that's just the trigger. |
| 22:07:42 | Raptors | [Saint], o... |
| 22:08:04 | Raptors | Well I guess I can use the horribly ugly workaround of switching themes when I want to use USB |
| 22:08:07 | Raptors | then switching back |
| 22:08:08 | Raptors | lol |
| 22:08:09 | [Saint] | Were it the theme engine, every theme should fail similarly. |
| 22:09:02 | lebellium | raptors: that's what I do. I prefer swtiching back to cabbiev2 for USB transfers than using the OF and get the "updating database" forever |
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| 22:11:43 | Raptors | [Saint], do you know what cabbie does that is special? |
| 22:12:00 | [Saint] | exactly nothing. |
| 22:12:52 | [Saint] | If a complex theme with "exotic" tags were the cause...I *really* should be able to trigger it, and I have never seen the issue personally. |
| 22:13:50 | [Saint] | It is very perplexing. My guess is memory collisions. Managing to load something that is exactly the right size to be in an area of memory the core doesn't expect to be occupied. |
| 22:14:46 | [Saint] | the buflib system is nightmarishly complex for me. I got lost in it very easily. |
| 22:14:58 | [Saint] | kugel is an evil mastermind of coding genius. |
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| 22:16:10 | Raptors | Ya, I don't get pretty much any advanced programming. When I tried to learn programming it was blowing my mind lol |
| 22:16:19 | Raptors | I'm glad I'm learning networking |
| 22:16:28 | Raptors | So much more straight forward and easy to understand |
| 22:18:42 | pamaury | buflib is powerful but complex, you can easily have bugs with such a thing |
| 22:21:43 | Raptors | I love how organized his code is |
| 22:21:44 | Raptors | kugel-/buflib/blob/master/buflib.c">https://github.com/kugel-/buflib/blob/master/buflib.c |
| 22:21:48 | Raptors | with comments and everything |
| 22:22:08 | [Saint] | It was a GSoC project, kinda had to be. |
| 22:22:17 | Raptors | GSoC? |
| 22:22:24 | [Saint] | Google Summer of Code |
| 22:22:32 | Raptors | o... |
| 22:22:49 | [Saint] | https://code.google.com/soc/ |
| 22:25:18 | * | scorche wonders if he should send out another email about GSoC... |
| 22:29:00 | pamaury | when does gsoc start ? |
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| 22:50:28 | [Saint] | Errr....have applications not started already? |
| 22:50:36 | * | [Saint] may be insane here |
| 22:50:40 | [Saint] | (or in general) |
| 22:51:16 | [Saint] | Oh, no...heck no. |
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| 23:18:15 | Raptors | pamaury, is there anywhere I can report the theme bug? |
| 23:18:38 | Raptors | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2 |
| 23:18:43 | Raptors | Should I post it there? |
| 23:19:13 | pamaury | yes |
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| 23:21:03 | [Saint] | There should already be a task for this bug. |
| 23:23:32 | Raptors | are you sure? |
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| 23:23:47 | * | [Saint] prods lebellium |
| 23:25:14 | [Saint] | Hummm...maybe someone incorrectly removed it as "fixed". |
| 23:25:48 | lebellium | My only open bug is FS #12759 . The other has been closed as fixed although I'm not sure it was really fixed :) |
| 23:25:49 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12759 Various RDS issues (Clip Zip, YP-R0) (bugs, unconfirmed) |
| 23:26:15 | [Saint] | Well, apparently it wasn't, no. :) |
| 23:27:19 | [Saint] | funman closed it, odd. |
| 23:27:54 | lebellium | I don't find it, can you please post the link |
| 23:27:57 | pamaury | serial closer ? :) |
| 23:28:05 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12639 <−− needs to be reopened |
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| 23:28:50 | [Saint] | while the title is specific to lebelliums theme(s), it's all the same bug. |
| 23:29:01 | [Saint] | themes shouldn;t be able to wipe out USB. Period. |
| 23:29:17 | lebellium | I guess it has been closed because the "theme loading" issue was fixed. But not the USB connection |
| 23:29:39 | [Saint] | Raptors reported similar issues to yourself. |
| 23:29:50 | [Saint] | The theme loaded, but only partitally. |
| 23:29:58 | [Saint] | And after a reboot, it was "fine". |
| 23:30:07 | [Saint] | ...but, no USB. :) |
| 23:30:26 | [Saint] | This is exactly the issue described in your task. |
| 23:30:31 | lebellium | indeed... |
| 23:31:15 | lebellium | I haven't experienced the theme loading issue since then so it's strange but that means it does still exist for other themes |
| 23:31:25 | [Saint] | Can someone with the powers to do so reopen fs#12639 please, so raptors may add to it? |
| 23:31:26 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12639 lebellium Samsung-like theme for Clip Zip: WPS doesn't load properly and USB not working (bugs, closed) |
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| 23:33:52 | saratoga | reopened |
| 23:34:21 | saratoga | saint should probably have permissions to do things like this on the tracker |
| 23:35:40 | [Saint] | Generally speaking, due to my frequent derp moments...I'm not sure I fit the model. |
| 23:35:53 | [Saint] | Which is fair. I get it. I'm vacant at times and I understand this :) |
| 23:36:02 | saratoga | pretty much anything you can do on the tracker you can just as easily undo |
| 23:36:49 | saratoga | pamaury: does it make sense to post binaries for the XFI3 bootloader soon so that people can use it without needing development tools? |
| 23:36:55 | saratoga | or is it not ready |
| 23:37:46 | pamaury | what would make sense would be to add rbutil support (it's exactly the same as fuze+) |
| 23:38:07 | pamaury | I feel it's better than giving binaries away |
| 23:38:11 | saratoga | before thats useful we'd still need binaries tagged and on the download server |
| 23:38:47 | pamaury | that's true |
| 23:38:51 | saratoga | although if you think the bootloader will need further work, maybe that doesn't make sense yet |
| 23:39:00 | saratoga | ask Bluebrother about rbutil |
| 23:39:24 | pamaury | the current bootloader is fine, I'd like to enhance it but it worked perfectly otherwise |
| 23:39:34 | pamaury | *works |
| 23:39:35 | saratoga | cool |
| 23:40:44 | pamaury | I'll post a binary tomorrow then |
| 23:41:00 | saratoga | on the wiki, or tagged? |
| 23:41:10 | pamaury | wiki |
| 23:41:23 | pamaury | when is the next release ? |
| 23:42:08 | [Saint] | prod AlexP :) |
| 23:42:14 | pamaury | one week... |
| 23:42:24 | AlexP | Have a look at the calender |
| 23:42:29 | AlexP | *calendar |
| 23:42:32 | saratoga | unless you're going to make the port stable, it shouldn't matter when we release |
| 23:42:50 | [Saint] | So, we should be in freeze already? |
| 23:43:08 | AlexP | and yeah, for stable only, o if you are touching stuff that only impacts non-stable targwets, then feel free to ignore it |
| 23:43:11 | pamaury | [Saint]: freeze in one week |
| 23:43:12 | AlexP | [Saint]: No |
| 23:43:16 | [Saint] | Ah, right. |
| 23:43:28 | AlexP | We have a damn calendar! :P |
| 23:43:30 | saratoga | great, we can finally make the Zip stable |
| 23:43:44 | saratoga | and maybe the Fuze+? |
| 23:44:24 | pamaury | I need to fix some code in RbUtil: the dualboot code, at least for the zenxfi2 and need to double-check zenxfi3. Otherwise yeah i'll tag one when I have the boot menu working |
| 23:44:36 | AlexP | maybe I should add that to the topic |
| 23:44:49 | lebellium | is this calendar available to public somewhere? I never saw it |
| 23:44:55 | AlexP | yes, |
| 23:44:55 | AlexP | https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=rockbox.calendar@gmail.com |
| 23:44:56 | saratoga | why is charging listed as "partial" for the ipod 6g? |
| 23:45:13 | [Saint] | NFI. |
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| 23:45:27 | saratoga | should i make it 'yes'? |
| 23:45:51 | AlexP | https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=rockbox.calendar@gmail.com |
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| 23:45:57 | AlexP | bugger |
| 23:46:03 | saratoga | sour |
| 23:46:03 | AlexP | too long :) |
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| 23:46:32 | pamaury | I would sure like the fuze+ to be stable, but I made lots of changed sinces the last release, so I'm not sure moving to stable now is wise |
| 23:46:40 | pamaury | *changes since |
| 23:46:53 | [Saint] | Isn't the touchpad still a bit didgy? |
| 23:47:04 | [Saint] | (though, that's not a concern for "stable" iiuc) |
| 23:47:10 | [Saint] | *dodgy |
| 23:48:00 | pamaury | It's not as great as I would like and there is this annoying issue that if you press a key when backlight is off, it does something strange. But it's so incomparatively better than the OF |
| 23:48:03 | [Saint] | I played with a Rockboxed Fuze+ the other day, and I was very impressed. My fat fingers disagree with the touchpad, but I wasn't sure if it was it, or me. |
| 23:48:20 | [Saint] | I have seen others complain similarly, but maybe their fingers are just as fat as mine. |
| 23:49:09 | [Saint] | I didn't see the issue you noted, but I don't recall locking the thing, so I wouldn't have seen it. |
| 23:49:09 | Raptors | I created a new task |
| 23:49:09 | Raptors | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12813?project=1&type=2&order=dateopened&sort=desc |
| 23:49:13 | pamaury | The code is pretty dumb, it really acts as a 3x3 grid |
| 23:49:35 | Raptors | pamaury, what cats as a 3x3 grid? |
| 23:49:42 | AlexP | Raptors: The previous one was reopened |
| 23:49:43 | [Saint] | Raptors: it would be really helpful if you commented in the original task with t alink to your new task. |
| 23:49:47 | [Saint] | To avoid confusion. |
| 23:49:52 | AlexP | Why dp we need the new one? |
| 23:49:55 | [Saint] | The two should really be merged. |
| 23:50:04 | pamaury | fuze+ touchpad driver in rockbox |
| 23:50:10 | Raptors | pamaury, o... |
| 23:50:11 | AlexP | I'll just close the new one, it would be great to add the info to the old one |
| 23:50:14 | Raptors | [Saint], can you send a link? |
| 23:50:16 | lebellium | feel free to rename my report if it concerns other themes too |
| 23:50:20 | [Saint] | I did. |
| 23:50:21 | pamaury | it doesn't handle gestures if you prefer |
| 23:50:47 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12639 |
| 23:50:51 | Raptors | pamaury, There is so much potential for the fuze+. Circular scrolling would be bad ass. |
| 23:51:01 | Raptors | no one has the skill or time though :( |
| 23:51:13 | AlexP | People have the skill alright |
| 23:51:19 | saratoga | plenty of people have the skill, but yeah time :) |
| 23:51:23 | [Saint] | pamaury has both....just not in unlimited quantities :) |
| 23:51:25 | AlexP | If you can do all the rest of Rockbox, you can do that |
| 23:51:30 | AlexP | The time is the issue |
| 23:51:58 | [Saint] | Pay pamaury's salary and I'm sure he'll find some more time :) |
| 23:52:01 | Raptors | [Saint], the last I heard he was busy writing reports so he couldn't do it |
| 23:52:06 | Raptors | lol |
| 23:52:06 | pamaury | First we need to make touchpads first class citizens in rockbox, like touchscreen |
| 23:52:12 | AlexP | lebellium: I'll edit the title of the original task to make it more generic |
| 23:52:25 | lebellium | AlexP; great :) |
| 23:52:34 | Raptors | [Saint], thanks, I didn't see the link befoer |
| 23:52:38 | [Saint] | np. |
| 23:52:48 | pamaury | But yeah, touchpad seems low priority compared to many things ^^ |
| 23:52:58 | AlexP | Certain themes cause the WPS to not load properly and USB to not work? |
| 23:53:01 | saratoga | what is the limitation in terms of rockbox? i figured we could implement gestures in the driver and map them to normal button actions |
| 23:53:37 | Raptors | pamaury, it should be high priority. A player is only as good as it's controls. |
| 23:53:42 | Raptors | lol |
| 23:53:56 | saratoga | well get to work on it |
| 23:54:20 | pamaury | first issue with this is that then you lack the context, second is that if you do that you have no way to test it on the simulator |
| 23:54:31 | AlexP | Raptors: People do what they want to |
| 23:54:41 | Raptors | AlexP, true |
| 23:54:45 | AlexP | Raptors: You want something done faster, you need to get working |
| 23:54:50 | pamaury | I agree a great player with poor controls is screwed |
| 23:54:51 | Raptors | and pamaury is a programmer so he probably knows what's more important |
| 23:55:00 | saratoga | couldn't we do simple gestures like "swipe left" in just the driver? |
| 23:55:15 | AlexP | Controls are important indeed :) |
| 23:55:17 | pamaury | But I wouldn't call the current touchpad driver bad |
| 23:55:45 | Raptors | pamaury, it's not ideal for a large library |
| 23:55:47 | pamaury | even simple gestures are not trivial to implement, and debugging is complicated |
| 23:55:59 | Raptors | ya, that's what sucks |
| 23:56:10 | AlexP | please try to refrain form things like sucks |
| 23:56:20 | AlexP | People spend a huge amount of their spare time working on this |
| 23:56:24 | saratoga | what information does the touchpad give, center of touch and what else? |
| 23:56:33 | AlexP | It isn't nice to have people then just turn up and announce it sucks |
| 23:56:50 | Raptors | AlexP, I'm not saying the product sucks. I'm saying the debugging and pain to implement new things sucks |
| 23:56:58 | AlexP | Cool :) |
| 23:57:08 | pamaury | saratoga: absolute position of the giver, that's it. It has some "gesture" support but believe me, it's crap. |
| 23:57:11 | AlexP | There are for sure lots of things that could be improved |
| 23:57:19 | AlexP | But language is important :) |
| 23:57:20 | pamaury | *finger |
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| 23:57:47 | saratoga | pamaury: for simple gestures, i guess the driver could just check if in the last X ticks a certain list of locations had been hit |
| 23:58:15 | Raptors | pamaury, how does sandisk do their scrolling thing? I know it's pretty terrible but it's at least a decent starting point (if you can recreate it and tweak it) |
| 23:58:36 | saratoga | Raptors: you've used the sandisk firmware right? |
| 23:58:42 | Raptors | yes |
| 23:58:45 | Raptors | it's terrible |
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| 23:58:52 | saratoga | well thats how they do it then |
| 23:58:54 | saratoga | badly |
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