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#rockbox log for 2013-02-24

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01:41:20klusarkI'm running the latest rockbox nightly on my Sansa Clip Zip, but it frequently locks up I have to do a full poweroff to get it to do anything. Is there any way for me to debug what is causing this?
01:44:54gevaertsDo the lockups seem random, or is there a pattern?
01:45:11klusarkIt is usually just after skipping to the next song.
01:45:24klusarkBut, it will always play a little bit of that song first.
01:46:57gevaertsHave you checked the filesystem? Our FAT driver is not as robust as it should be, and minor filesystem corruption can sometimes lead to instability
01:46:58klusarkIt seems I can reproduce it by just hitting next song repeatedly.
01:47:34klusarkI'll do that, but I did format my microsd right before adding any music to it, around a week ago.
01:48:07gevaertsah, ok. Probably not that then, although the internal storage might still be involved
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01:51:09klusarkI scanned both with the windows disk check thing and it says they are fine.
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01:55:03*gevaerts isn't really sure what to suggest
01:55:56gevaertsI don't remember seeing this sort of problem, at least not recently
01:57:11gevaertsThings that could be involved are codec, theme (bugs in the theme engine can cause memory corruption elsewhere, we've seen this with e.g. usb on some devices), presence of album art, ...
01:57:27JdGordonklusark: what theme are you using?
01:57:46klusarkHow can I tell?
01:57:56JdGordondid you ver change it?
01:58:46klusarkI'm using rockbox_failsafe for the While Playing Screen
01:59:12klusarkI think I'm using that one for everything
02:00:02JdGordonI doubt that...
02:00:12JdGordonyou'd be using cabbie, which is fine ad shouldnt be crashing
02:01:30klusarkNo, I set it to the failsafe one. I like how it looks more...
02:03:27klusarkThis time I got a *PANIC*
02:03:45gevaertsOh, good! Does it have numbers?
02:03:59klusarkYes, but they are kind of cut off by the tiny screen
02:05:19*gevaerts nods
02:05:33klusarkThat is what I can see
02:06:51gevaertsThat's interesting
02:07:01*gevaerts would not have guessed dircache
02:07:13gevaertsWhich exact revision are you running?
02:07:41klusark36a9990 is what Rockbox Utility says it put on.
02:08:36saratogacorrupt file system maybe?
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02:09:20gevaertssaratoga: shouldn't be. See about 17 minutes ago
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02:11:58*gevaerts grumbles about stack overflow checking being asynchronous and therefore not providing proper addresses
02:13:54JdGordonwhich targets have a mmu?
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02:13:59gevaertsNot many
02:14:37gevaertsBut yes, we should really use the mmu for stack guard pages where we can
02:15:54saratogamost newer targets have an MMU
02:15:59gevaertsklusark: do you have a deep filesystem structure, or many files per directory?
02:16:47klusark\/MUSIC/ALBUM/SONGS.MP3 Unknown command
02:17:05klusarkThat is my directory structure
02:17:11gevaertsok, so fairly common
02:18:03klusarkThe deepest it goes would be /music/album/{a|b}/songs.mp3 for a two disk album
02:19:23klusarkI got it to lock up again. The interface is still animating, but no buttons do anything other than turn the screen on.
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02:21:27klusarkThe time and batter are still updating as well
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02:23:31*gevaerts is at a loss
02:24:20gevaertsNormally random stuff going wrong that nobody ever saw before, especially combined with a dircache stack overflow, would scream filesystem corruption
02:24:52klusarkI can try with another microsd
02:25:22gevaertsCould be useful
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02:26:57*gevaerts really needs to go to sleep, so he lets saratoga and JdGordon figure this out :)
02:46:24Raptors22 1/2 hours of listening to an audiobook on fuze + and it's still at ~42%
02:46:44Raptorspamaury is a mad genius
02:49:08saratogaJdGordon: can you update the release notes with any skin related changes
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05:29:35qoemeHi, I am making a wav/mp3 player as an electronics project and it seems like Rockbox would be a great system to run it on. Is Rockbox similar to an RTOS? What code would I have to write to port the system?
05:39:19qoemeI guess more specifically, how does Rockbox take care of hardware level system events like interrupts, DMA events, etc?
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06:11:30qoemeOne last question, can Rockbox possibly fit on only 128KB of RAM (code + data)?
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06:31:13JdGordonqoeme: rockbox is not a rtos
06:31:24JdGordonbut depending on your requirements it might be close enough
06:31:43JdGordon128KB is doable with a very stripped down version (maybe)
06:32:47JdGordonsaratoga: we should look into just wacking the git shortlog into the release notes
06:36:22qoemeJdGordon: i see.. is rockbox also capable of filter/audio effect implementation? I'm debating whether to use Rockbox as a platform, or to code a system (which seems like a nightmare)
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06:37:42JdGordonqoeme: yes, but I cant answer weather it can be done with your ram requirements
06:37:54saratoga_qoeme: you need ~ 2MB to actually decode audio in rockbox
06:38:18saratoga_the OS itself will work with very little memory, but probably you also want to load an audio codec
06:39:18saratoga_1 MB might be doable with some codecs and if you were willing to not have a display
06:40:27saratoga_JdGordon: i don't want to put the git logs since so many commits have nothing to do with the stable targets
06:40:34qoemeno display is fine. codec wise, im thinking only wav (and perhaps other simple codecs)
06:40:37saratoga_a human readable summary is nice
06:41:04saratoga_with no display and no codecs rockbox doesn't really do much of anything for you
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06:46:58JdGordonqoeme: there are probably better mini OS projects to base on.. contiki perhaps
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06:56:47saratoga_is that useful in a release note though?
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07:02:23JdGordonthat asumes rel notes are useful anyway, but its not uncommon to put that there
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07:47:27zamboniAnyone recognize the song from this small clip?
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10:06:18bertrikgevaerts: "just adding a bootloader for the recorder", can I help with that?
10:07:33*JdGordon 's 2c is its not worth the effort, let it freeeking die already!
10:08:26JdGordonbertrik: if you really want to, it just needs a port of our bootloader code to read the main binary (like all of them) into ram and jump
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11:10:24lorenzo92wow anyone noticed that entering FM radio debug screen rockbox goes crazy? latest revision here
11:10:40lorenzo92it seems duplicating all the information without any bound!
11:11:19lorenzo92I *suspect* again the RDS, there is a memory corruption in it somewhere
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11:18:08JdGordonradio debug screen?
11:22:49lorenzo92Debug -> FM Radio
11:23:47lorenzo92it's difficult to take a shot, so fast hum, ah maybe dumping framebuffer just before segmentation fault or whathever...BTW running on YP-R0
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11:29:33lorenzo92JdGordon: radio off or on doesn't matter. information gets duplicated (i.e. content is duplicated) and first 3 lines are unknown characters
11:30:57JdGordonthat screen doesnt exactly do very much
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11:38:39lorenzo92well, there is no reason indeed that has a bug. it has worked since ever, it's just now, let me take a screenshot
11:41:55JdGordon;a=commit;h=69228f92dbddc9940166c0d7af2b4c79d55f85e7 may be the culprit
11:49:01lorenzo92JdGordon: caught ->
11:49:38lorenzo92and then it crashes, with segfault I suppose, later I'll redirect rb output to console
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12:01:19bertrikrecorder already allows building a bootloader, I wonder what's really missing then
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12:33:59gevaertsbertrik: maybe just integration. It needs to load the main binary from somewhere, so rbutil has to install it there, and so on...
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12:54:17bertrikmeh, one of those problems, takes a lot of time and no satisfaction .. :|
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13:34:06gevaertsHmm, we only seem to have windows builds for fwpatcher?
13:39:33*gevaerts finds out how to do things
13:39:43n1susing rbutil?
13:40:11gevaertsno, mkboot
13:41:48n1sah, we have so many of those patching tools
13:43:07n1sso you have the coldfire debug thingy set up now?
13:43:36gevaertsI should have. I'm about to try :)
13:44:17n1snice, btw i think fwpatcher only patched with a built-in bootloader so not very useful for tests
13:45:15gevaertsYes, that's what I found
13:45:31gevaertsYou need descramble/mkboot/scramble
13:46:05*gevaerts now has a probably broken h120 hex file. Let's see if it bricks the device :)
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13:49:30gevaertshm, I have no idea what I'm doing, actually. Better get the tools working first
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13:59:49lorenzo92kugel: patchsets uploaded, R0 code refactoring + R0 LCD optimizations ;) let me know ;)
14:08:08AlexPfunman: Would you mind having a quick look at FS #12818 and FS #12828 (French translations)?
14:08:10fs-bluebot French language update (patches, unconfirmed)
14:08:10fs-bluebot french translation (patches, unconfirmed)
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14:22:15gevaertsHas anyone here worked with bdm stuff?
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17:23:30[Saint]JdGordon: (early wake up log reading reply) - re: MMU, pretty much all RaaA targets will have an MMU
17:23:42[Saint]...but, I guess you meant more along the lines of DAPs.
17:25:43gevaertsWe don't get access to the MMU on those
17:26:24[Saint]He didn't list that as a requirement! :P
17:26:38[Saint]And, I guess, technically we could...on rooted devices. Yes?
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17:30:13gevaertsDepends on how technical you want to get
17:31:34*gevaerts isn't aware of regular userspace ways to get at the MMU
17:32:01gevaertsAnyway, maybe there are ways to do what we need
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18:35:03funmanAlexP: 2nd patch doesn't apply
18:35:33AlexPfunman: I'm not so worried about that, I just mean whether the translations within are worth it
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18:35:53AlexPOr perhaps you'ld just like to update French yourself :)
18:36:02funmanthey look done a bit hastily
18:37:47funmanAlexP: i will commit the good parts
18:37:53funmanwe don't have an email adress for the author?
18:38:06AlexPfunman: Thanks, and I don't know
18:38:09funmanah i found it
18:40:48funmanAlexP: done, and i commented on flyspray
18:40:59AlexPfunman: Thanks very much
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18:41:54funmanyou are welcome
18:49:20AlexPAnyone object to branching?
18:52:29[Saint]Do I need a good reason?
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19:11:33Topic"Branched for 3.13 | Please read before speaking: | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
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19:27:13gevaertsWoo! Two builds in a row without random tlsf related build issues!
19:27:33gevaertsPossibly three, depending on how you count :)
19:30:18megakacktusI recently installed Rockbox on my Sansa Fuze V2 using my Arch Linux laptop. Today, I plugged the Sansa into the computer to transfer some MP3s to my 16gb MicroSD card. Rockbox threw an "undefined instruction" error and now will not boot.
19:31:35gevaertsDoes it show anything on the screen?
19:33:16megakacktusWhen it booted while plugged in the the PC, it showed the rockbox logo and then showed an "undefined exception at <memory address>" error (I was stupid and didn't write down which address :/). It had small black text on a white background. I hard-powered off and now I can't power back on.
19:34:37[Saint]How current is/was the build on said device?
19:36:03[Saint]The best course of action, for the moment, is to do nothing - assuming the device is simply locked up.
19:36:11megakacktusIt was the latest stable build, 3.12 I believe
19:36:19[Saint]Put it in a drawer, or on a shelf etc. and forget about it for a few days.
19:36:38megakacktusTo let the battery drain?
19:37:03[Saint]Correct. You can test if there is some current remaining in the battery by pluggin in some monitors and listening for a "pop".
19:37:25megakacktusOkay... I'll try that and come back in a few days.
19:37:40megakacktusThanks for your advice.
19:37:42[Saint]If all goes well, when the battery is depleted, it will boot up when it recieves power the next time.
19:37:55[Saint]If that doesn't work, well, we'll talk then :)
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19:38:10gevaertsHmm, wasn't that issue fixed before 3.12?
19:38:13AlexPI thought so
19:38:22AlexPBut I wouldn't swear to it
19:38:25[Saint]I did too, that's why I asked. But, it pays to be safe.
19:38:31[Saint]No point in opening the device yet.
19:38:41gevaertsOh, definitely
19:39:26megakacktusI'm terrible with electronics... software is more my thing :)
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20:21:45lorenzo92quick question: does rockbox use a particular USB ID or we usually leave the OF one?
20:22:07gevaertsWe usually use the OF one
20:24:09[Saint]How does one go through the motions for getting their own UID?
20:24:22*[Saint] assumes this has been looked into many a time before now
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20:25:53AlexP[Saint]: Check mailing list archives
20:25:59AlexPIt has been discussed there
20:27:16gevaerts is one option
20:27:25*gevaerts forgot about that...
20:28:24[Saint]So, it's entirely possible.
20:28:38[Saint]just a "round-to-it" thing.
20:30:23gevaertsNot entirely. We need to discuss how many ids we need. See and on
20:31:42gevaertsSo basically we need to talk to them
20:32:03[Saint]Something for you guys to do at DevCon ;)
20:32:17gevaertsi.e. email
20:32:44*gevaerts should get around to that, but he doesn't really enjoy communicating with people...
20:32:44[Saint]I assume DevCon still has email, no? :)
20:33:00AlexPwhy at devcon?
20:33:02gevaertsI don't see how DevCon is related
20:33:19AlexPFirst step is to speak to them to see how many we could have/what our options are etc.
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20:44:03bluebrotherspeaking about DevCon isn't a bad idea anyway :)
20:46:17AlexPtrue enough
20:46:20lorenzo92cool! I may have the possibility to export low-level USB functions to rockbox in the hosted targets YP-R0 & YP-R1, there is a nice built in kernel module by Freescale, let's see
20:46:24AlexPwho's hosting?
20:46:44AlexPI nominate someone who lives near me who isn't me
20:46:48*bluebrother doesn't know
20:47:03bluebrotherwhere do you live? Back in the London area again IIRC?
20:47:36AlexPI'm just being selfish :)
20:47:52bluebrotherwouldn't mind London. Wanted to visit the city anyway (since I failed to do so last year)
20:48:06bluebrotherso who's in the London area? ;-)
20:48:25AlexPheh :)
20:48:37AlexPWe should probably start with who can host :)
20:48:50bluebrotherah, too easy!
20:49:02[Saint]You could all come here, nice and cheap, I'm sure ;)
20:49:08AlexPyeah... :)
20:49:26AlexPbluebrother: We could just pick a station and hold it in a coffee shop with free wifi :)
20:50:30bluebrother[Saint]: that would mean more travel time than DevCon itself. That's too bad since I wouldn't mind visiting NZ either :)
20:50:34bluebrotherAlexP: nice idea!
20:50:44bluebrotherat least we'd have decent coffee then
20:51:05[Saint]What happened to the Nespresso?
20:51:15AlexPWhich one?
20:51:26AlexPI mean gevaerts has one that he brought to a devcon or two
20:51:30bluebrotherwe had more than one Nespresso?
20:51:32[Saint]gevaerts usually brings one, no?
20:51:38AlexPbluebrother: Well, we don't have one
20:51:41gevaertsIf I drive, yes
20:51:52gevaertsI'm not taking that thing on the train to London!
20:52:00bluebrotherthen drive!
20:52:04AlexPI'll bring a kettle
20:52:15bluebrotheri.e. bring the car too :P
20:52:54[Saint]The internet has taught me that a Nespresso machine is likely one of the least confusing things to see someone on public transport carrying.
20:54:04bluebrotherit is? How about customs for this kind of "transport"?
20:54:30AlexPI took a monitor on the Eurostar once, that lead to a whole lot of swabbing
20:54:43AlexPThey seemed convinced I was smuggling grugs in it
20:54:51AlexPdrugs too
20:54:52[Saint]Goddamn grugs
20:55:14bluebrotherCRT or TFT?
20:55:26AlexPTFT, I'm not that mental :)
20:55:47bluebrotherwell, TFTs weren't that common a bunch of years ago ;-)
20:56:00bluebrotherplus, for smuggling things a CRT has simply more room
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22:06:31wodzgevaerts: A bit late, but whats your problem with BDM?
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22:24:12*bertrik vaguely remembers some user request involving a "stash" in an ipod
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22:27:25*[Saint] remembers that too.
22:27:54[Saint]there was some debate as to whether or not it seserved to be edited and sent to GoldenQuotes, but, it ended up being far too long.
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22:35:48saratogajust a reminder: if you've added something in the last 5 months be sure to update the release notes
22:36:25[Saint]...pretty sure the list I saw covered mine already.
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23:16:20JdGordon[Saint]: RaaA targets could also use POSIX threads which would be easier to debug on stkov's anyway
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23:33:02kugelJdGordon: good luck implementing that :)
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23:43:54*[Saint] hasn't actually seen a stkov on RaaA that he remembers.
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